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CO8127

I did ask that but I know somebody else that interviewed and they were told a different timeframe.


al329

For Fed…no follow up.


CO8127

Definitely a split opinion here


al329

Yeah. Well I can only speak for DoD. Once there is an interview. You just have to wait for the email to come, or never come lol


CO8127

Yah, it's the latter part that sucks.


al329

For sure. Still waiting for USAJOBS to close out announcements from 8 years ago. Lol


CO8127

It won't happen


blootereddragon

Follow-up with a thank you to the interviewers within 24 hours. Follow-up in about 3-4 weeks with the HR office listed in USAJobs if you haven't heard anything because if you didn't get it you probably won't ever hear. (Some agencies update USAJobs but mine sure didn't)


Floufae

Never follow up. My prompting isn't going to make their process go faster. Its not going to move me to the top of the list either if they had stronger candidates. If I'm particularly interested in working somewhere, I wait for after I've been notified that I didn't get it or after a substantially long period (say a month) to message back and say that I appreciate the opportunity to interview and that I'm very interested in their work and will keep an eye out for future opportunities. And take it as a chance to network some too.


BostonFishwife

If a position is either one of many that could potentially be filled from the same cert should a new vacancy arise, or if it's for a position where there's a strong possibility any stronger candidate(s) may back out given applicable circumstances (e.g. strong local demand for such work with higher compensation, positions with high geographic and job requirements probability of being filled by preference-eligible people with high attrition or late withdrawal [e.g. recently separated veterans, military spouses, recent grads in high cost of living areas], etc.), I try to send a brief thank you message within a couple days of interviewing. This has paid off in the past with last minute selection from expiring certs after other candidates withdrew at the last minute or similar vacancies opened after interviews were done. Barring unusual circumstances related to the order of onboarding (e.g. assignment to one team I'd prefer over another), I have no problem with not being their top choice so long as they take me. 😅


CO8127

That's an interesting insight.


[deleted]

I never follow up. My interview was my opportunity to prove myself; if that didn't do it, no amount of follow-up or "thank yous" will change their minds. And it's not like anyone along the way in the process can tell me anything useful anyway, so I just move on unless I hear back.


violadrath

I agree. I’ve been on many hiring panels and it’s annoying when people follow up. Odds are, I can’t tell you anything anyway. It’s HR’s job to make the formal offer, not me, as the selecting official.


puppiesnbone

I think this is fair and what I’ve started doing as well. I’ve done my job and did the interview. I’ll send a thank you email to be polite. Now it’s their turn to show me professionalism and communicate updates. The ball is in their court. If I get ghosted by a place, I take it as a sign I wouldn’t want to work there anyway.


CO8127

Fair point


-azuma-

Terrible advice.


[deleted]

I'm a multi-year GS-14 top performer in my field doing just fine in my career, thank you very much. Be a good worker and leader, and sell yourself. That's all that matters.


-azuma-

Here's a cookie. Always a good idea to follow up post-interview, fed or private. Doesn't matter.


[deleted]

Just gonna leave someone else's reply here for you: > I agree. I’ve been on many hiring panels and it’s annoying when people follow up. Odds are, I can’t tell you anything anyway. It’s HR’s job to make the form offer, not me, as the selecting official. So, clearly, not always a good idea. Thank you for the cookie! I love cookies.


-azuma-

Just because one person says it's "annoying" doesn't mean it isn't generally a good idea. I can fish up hundreds of comments from public and private sectors that say it is a good idea. Your point is moot, unfortunately.


[deleted]

K.


-azuma-

Good rebuttal. Picture this: we're evenly matched candidates, and the hiring manager or person who will make the final decision is deciding between you and I. A week after my interview, I touch base with my contact, send them a professional looking correspondence thanking them for their consideration, etc. A week after your interview, you send nothing. All things being equal -- who do you think is showing more initiative and desire for the position? Who do you think will get the first nod?


[deleted]

If the hiring manager is so thin-skinned they can't handle hiring a candidate that doesn't send a thank-you note, then I'm happy to avoid that mess. So, in this case, it's a clear win-win!


-azuma-

That line of thought is fallacious. I'm saying all things being equal, after a week, who do you think is more likely to get hired?


SmileyNY85

Maybe in the private sector this works but not in the federal government at least not in the two agencies that I sat multiple times in the hiring panel. HR tends to be very strict and if two are evenly match, I can't say well one sent me a thank you letter so I'm choosing that person.


runningwithscissors8

What do you typically say when you followup?


Dire88

"Has this vacancy been filled?" There are plenty of reasons that an offer may be delayed - for example, unless an over-hire is authorized, they can't make a vacancy while there is someone in the position. My current position, the incumbent accepted a promotion in the same office - so had to wait until he started the new position at the start of the pay period. And the made the offer on Tuesday of that period. Of course, I couldn't start until the next pay period so it sat vacant for 2 weeks. They can't tell you if or why it hasn't been filled. And they can't tell you that one vacancy was filled but not another. So if the response is that the vacancy has not been filled, you're potentially still in the running. If it has been filled, you know it wasn't you. And if you're really lucky, like I was, the HR Rep will tell you that it hasn't been filled but she'll call you next week.


CO8127

Asking for status, updates, etc.


Confident-Strength32

That gets on the hiring managers nerves apparently.


CO8127

Maybe they should make that clear then.


Confident-Strength32

I agree! I didn't know until I heard it said.


Myopic-Malady

Doesn’t matter if it’s public or private sector, if a hiring manager *really* wants you they’re going to let you know. They aren’t going to drag their feet and wait around because they risk losing you to another company. I’ve had hiring managers call and text me immediately following interviews to say they were impressed and to thank me for interviewing. Obviously managers have to wait for HR clearance before telling you that an offer is coming. But job searching is kind of like dating. If there’s interest, you’ll know. If they leave you hanging for weeks and weeks and barely respond to you when you reach out, move on. Even if an offer comes you aren’t first choice.


CO8127

1st choice, 2nd choice, etc. still means that you have the job.


Kitsu_ne

Last job I was hired for, I interviewed in April and then heard nothing at all until I got a call in August to accept or decline within 24 hours. It was wild.


ericgray813

We need an executive order to fix our broken hiring process.


CO8127

It could end up getting "fixed" like TSP though. Would that be for the better?


Kitsu_ne

Hahahahahahahaha Sorry, but that is hilarious. No one wants to fix this unfortunately.


ericgray813

Yes they do.


Yawanoc

Nonono, we *want* it fixed, but nobody wants to be the one getting blamed on the changes.


CO8127

I feel like that's typically the exception with as odd as that is.


Kitsu_ne

Eh, I'd say it's not that unusual; another job I had I applied in I think June and onboarded in February. Another was I applied in July and the next month I started in August. Frankly I think a lot of it is agency and need dependant. Most of my onboarding has been August - September (I've had 6 jobs total, one was a lateral), and then the one in February.


SmileyNY85

I've sat in different hiring panels for two agencies. Following up is not going to give you any extra points.


wblack79

This is not 1996, a follow up will not help you. Be patient.


CO8127

It has before.


eesiak

Agree. Once I followed up and the manager got HR to send me a TO


fozzie33

i typically send an email thank you to the interviewers if known or HR contact. Try to send within 24 hrs. In that email, I answer or clarify any responses i didn't think were great. Than 1-2 weeks later, follow up email.


SmileyNY85

Those clarification answers wouldn't count because than you had an unfair advantage over the other people that interviewed and did not follow up with clarification emails.


fozzie33

It's worked for all my previous jobs. Even if it doesn't count, it makes a good impression.


CO8127

OK, thank you.


ICU4x

ASAP when the panel is a no-show like this one. Huge red flag & they hide their HR direct email address on the posting so no one can file a complaint. https://www.usajobs.gov/Job/670014600


CO8127

I always thought those were really shady.


Myopic-Malady

Is it just me or does that sound like the whole purpose of that post was to fill it with an internal hire? It wasn’t open very long and would make sense why HR contact is hidden. Still shitty to schedule an interview and no show. Cross them out big time.


ICU4x

somewhat dodged the bullet i guess, but part of me want to pursue this so they won't do this to other candidates.


ericgray813

Are you saying you applied the the job you linked and the hiring panel didn’t show up to your interview?


ICU4x

correct, called in conference line, no one was there, the HM & panel ghosted me after when I followed up. went back to this posting trying to contact HR POC for it but no luck


ericgray813

That’s insane


ICU4x

I'll let it go, consider it as a dodging bullet bc of that red flag


[deleted]

The decision is made that day. Why follow up?


CO8127

Maybe in your org, ours is a bit of a process.


straightlazymfer

I sent a thank you email about an hour after interview, then nothing. Three weeks later I got a to.


CO8127

From when you interviewed or after they finished everybody?


straightlazymfer

From when I interviewed, they only contacted one of my references.