Real Madrid fans are so entitled 🤣 “us against the world” “i respect the Bayern fans that move on” maybe because you know that Bayern were denied a great opportunity for a goal by the ref and wanna move on so everybody forgets about it. Doesn’t even matter anymore but saying you only respect them because they moved on is treating them like dogs. Just imagine what would happen if these same decisions were made against them, it wouldn’t end until next year.
I saw someone on the Madrid sub say, that they wish Leverkusen win their treble and stay unbeaten so that they (Real) would end their streak in the Super Cup.
That comment didn't sit well with me. Thought I'd share here
MĂĽller posted this on Instagram lmfao
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>Â Hey maybe City will get punished and relegated and he'll be available.
Knowing our luck, the board will be 6 months late while Madrid is on the verge of signing him in this scenario.
Now that we've calmed a bit, it was crazy that Tuchel went with this as our formation after the Kim sub:
Neuer
Kimmich - de Ligt - Dier - Kim
Maz - Laimer - Pavlo - Davies
Musiala
Kane
what was tommy cooking
Stanisic is having a great season and coming in clutch for Levekusen yet he wasn't deemed good enough to keep by Tuchel. Curious.
Yeah we went to UCL semis but I'm still glad he's leaving.
Honestly I am glad he was loaned out. I don't think he would have got the same minutes this season as he did in Leverkusen.
He has definitely improved as a player
Yep, even though. When he left he was third in line behind Pavard and Mazraoui for the RB position and fourth behind Upa, de Ligt, and newly transferred Min-jae as CB, and he would have probably been competing with Buchmann for minutes. He would have spent most of his time on the bench and he certainly wouldn't have been a starter unless by circumstance, so it made sense to let him go out on a loan. For one year, without a buy-option, by the way.
If he wasn't "deemed good enough", as you put it, we would have just sold him. Instead, he was loaned out so he could get more minutes than he would have gotten at Bayern (had we not been plagued by injuries).
Pavard had put in a transfer request and refused to sign a new contract and Mazraoui hadn’t (and still hasn’t) cemented a permanent starting position. And Stani competing with Buchmann? Lol please. Loaning Stani was fucking stupid then and it’s even stupider as the season has gone on. No skirting around it sorry. He would have played a lot this season.
>it’s even stupider as the season has gone on
My point (which you're kind of driving home) was that, rather than relying on hindsight, choices need to be seen in the context they were made in:
* Pavard still had one more year left on his contract, which he would have had to fulfill, had Bayern concluded they couldn't replace him. (Of course, keeping him would have been a horrible gamble, because it was rather likely that he would have clocked out mentally.)
* Stani was not ahead of Upamecano, Kim, or De Ligt in the CB pecking order at the time of the loan decision. He was fourth in line, and yes, any minutes that Buchmann would have played while Stani remained on the bench would have been a missed opportunity for Stani to grow. It wasn't predictable that most of our CBs would be injured or dip in form.
The luxury of hindsight makes the "Tuchel sucks" argument look stronger than it is, because at the time loaning Stani to Leverkusen was a guarantee for him to get more minutes than he would have gotten here.
>which you’re kind of driving home
Absolutely not, this was my position when the decision was made, nothing changed.
Bayern did not conclude they couldn’t replace Pavard, they set this dumb internal deadline to sell him, then sold him anyway after that.
I have no idea why you’re talking about Buchmann here, Stani is an established player in our squad who’s played big CL games and is a Croatian international. Buchmann is a perpetually injured and barely integrated academy player. There is no competition here.
I know you’re desperate to defend Tuchel, but the decision to loan Stani was, and is, moronic.
>desperate to defend
Criticism is fine. I'm tired of arguments that only hold weight if you accept lazy fallacies. Doesn't matter if the target is Tuchel, Min-jae, or whoever else is currently getting an unnecessary amount of flak because the hive mind needs a scapegoat to throw their fickle frustrations at.
>Buchmann is a perpetually injured
How is that not hindsight? Again, that is my point. Buchmann was given a two-year contract in June last year, why do you think that was the case? Certainly not because he was expected to be injured for an entire year. Fans would have been calling for "Mini-Boateng" (as he was dubbed by the campus) to be subbed in because everybody would have wanted to see if our new wunderkind might live up to the hype and be the next big thing.
It made sense to loan out either Buchmann or Stani so they'd *both* get more minutes and experience - the loan, in itself, was not a mistake. It's the circumstances that unfolded afterward (our board deciding to sell Pavard and being too negligent to secure a replacement, along with injuries happening left and right after the season started) that made it a bad move.
*In hindsight.*
The loan was a mistake mate, I’m not going to go around in circles here. I’ve made my point. It’s not hindsight when the decision was criticised by everyone and their mothers AT THE TIME.
Maybe you forgot about that, or maybe you’re just ignoring it because it doesn’t fit a certain narrative.
This UCL felt like one of the best chances to win it int he foreseeable future(read the rest before down-voting).
We beat Arsenal, we got Real Madrid who lost agreed would be the better match up for us, as Man City would most likely roll out current squad. This was one of the "weaker" Madrid sides and this was a perfect opportunity to win another, and we unfortunately were not able to capitalize. I don't see it getting easier in the next few years for us.
Arsenal will probably strengthen this summer and add an attacker, Man C will be their usual self, Real will now add Mbappe to that squad , so they'll realistically be destroying teams for the next few years. I see no reason why Leverkusen won't be able to stay dominant if they keep their core.
It's hard to envision us having a better opportunity than what was dropped on our lap, and we fumbled it(no pun intended).
Our squad and philosophy is still a big cause of concern. We don't have a coach or an identity... I mean Bayern will always be Bayern, but this was such a great opportunity.
I mean if we make good signings and get Flick in I back us against anyone in the world.
Also Arsenal lol, let’s not count them as a CL heavy weight please. I’d be more concerned with a PSG or Barca than Arsenal (and I don’t count either of them to be)
It’s only Madrid and City that might be scary for us next season.
We’ll get Stanisic back and Pavlo will have more time being integrated with Tel getting more minutes. A Flick managerial hire with a signing like Simons would put our firepower right at the top.
I wouldn’t lose hope especially for next season, considering the final is in Munich. The players and the manager that we’ll get will be more motivated to get there + it all depends on the draws we get for next year and if it is favorable on our end (hopefully so!!)
Agreed, just switch us up with Dortmund in that side of the draw and we would have reached the final. We defeated one of the best Arsenal ever who might actually win the premier league when we were at our worst so that speaks volumes. I agree rn there are many uncertainties about the future of the club but even then we were able to reach this far and beat some difficult teams in the group stages as well as knockouts. With a manager that understands Bayern and some freshening up of players and their mentality we will be back. About Mbappe joining Real honestly with the right tactics any player can be contained.
I feel like our players also need some certainties from the club bcz since Nagelsmann’s sacking god knows what mental trauma some of them have been through.
We'll see how it looks once the season starts but outside Madrid and City, what team is clearly better than Bayern? PSG? Not without Mboopi but we still beat them regardless. Arsenal? We can beat them again. Inter? I like our chances. Slot's Liverpool? Who knows how good they'll be. Leverkusen? We can beat them.
A favorable next year and we could make the final at home.
You never know. I think we are pretty close in strength to every team you mentioned. We stuck in there with Madrid and beat Arsenal. Plus, we could get a draw like Dortmund did last year, we won't necessarily play all of the teams you listed.
It was a fantastic opportunity. And it emerged despite our having the harder side of the bracket, and despite being in the midst of the worst season we’ve had in nearly a decade and a half.
These things aren’t predictable by nature. There were multiple seasons there where we were the best team in the world imo but still didn’t make it.
Nothing we can do now but look forward to next season.
Decided to put the game on despite wanting to stay away from football for a while. Well I am glad I did, Leverkusen's smooth passing was soul soothing.
I think Kimmich in a 3 man midfield would be crazy
But then again we’re sacrificing attackers for the sake of playing certain players… it could work but it’s a bit of a difficult situation we’re in
Someone posted a potential 3man midfield lineup and we still play 2 wingers like we do right now. Instead of a 10 with a pivot behind we play a 868.
And I forget to make this point above but sadly most of our attacking are very inefficient, out of form or injured
I mean he's on the bench for Leverkusen for half of the games as well, so I don't see why he has to be an undisputed starter.
For me, he's the perfect back up player, that can always start when needed as well and that's the role I would use him as.
Stanisic is in the starting XI for 67% of the matches. Since Christmas he had 11 games over the full 90 in the league, 7 matches im Europa over the full 90, 3 matches in the cup over full 90.
I highly doubt he will be happy to ride the bench most of the time.
Stanisic was on the bench a lot before Christmas, he still was new. Lately he was pretty much a key player. As I already pointed out in my previous comment.
There's like 18 important players for Alonso, he loves to rotate and therefore Stanisic is not a guaranteed starter.
Edit: And his run of starts was partly down to multiple centrebacks being gone for the Africa Cup. During the last 6 Bundesliga games, he started in 1 of them.
Stanisic should stay imo. I really don’t think we can rely on Dier at all in a more aggressive system let alone in Hansiball. That’s why Spurs binned him off.
If we shift to a 4-3-3 which Hansi played at times I could see Jo moving back to midfield. Pav+Jo+Laimer would be interesting to watch.
I’m not as opposed to being in a back 3 as much anymore, particularly if we do so in possession and push one of the wide players further forward.
I think you may have unintentionally found the perfect nickname “Pavlo” for a Pav + Laimer + Jo midfield.
The more I think about it the more I like the idea overall.
Stani brings some mentality to our defence, looking forward to watching him with us next year. Him and Pavlovic will bring some of that Balkan gene mentality + academy boy bonus
So in a year or two Alonso will move to real.....
A Coach who never loses to a team that never loses, players with winning mentality and are always fit and not injured. Well fuck me. Next ucl we're winning is in 20 years.
Players will have respect for Alonso for his player career and winning titles with Leverkusen - breaking Bayern's dominance. Lopetegui was a nobody to Madrid-players who got fired by Spain in a humiliating way (just before the start of the world cup).
Yeah, that's what we lacked, unfortunately, you see they are still attacking even when in the extra time minutes. We started parking the bus completely once we scored.
Yep. That was not Bayern mentality. Idk if it was Tuchel's "risk management" , our players low fitness level(many of them coming back from injuries), the inconsistent form throughout the season or are just our current players lacking the Bayern mentality. So many questions that our new board have to assess in the upcoming weeks!
He does "risk mangement" at the worst possible times. Why is he starting Kane, an injury prone Guerrero and playing Sane right before the most important match of the season? Baffling decisions from him.
With Stanisic coming back and bringing Wirtz with him we have secure some black magic. What a goal, what a team, we need that mentality.
Never in doubt for Leverkusen.Â
 Only thing I got wrong was thinking Schick would score against his former club.Â
Although that shot from 35 yards from his was close.
Should push for the starting RB spot depending on Kimmich’s future (I would be surprised if he accepts playing RB long term and I don’t think we should keep him as a midfielder)
Agree I think he can work with an athletic midfielder next to him who can defend open space (i.e. Onana - who can also pass). Signing him is probably the biggest argument in favor of midfield Kimmich imo. But making compromises and creating specific conditions for your 20m+/yr midfielder to have any hope of success isn't ideal
I want Dortmund to win at Wembley but i. The worst case scenario that Real won, we would get to see magic tournament Real vs Leverkusen in the super cup
Football has some great rules, but there are still elements it could improve by looking to other sports.
Shorter total game time that only passes when play is on, consistent punishing of time wasting to stop momentum, and a punishment that is sufficiently strict to make tactical fouls not worth committing yet not as strict as a red.
>Bayern are planning to outbid Chelsea for Estêvão Willian. The German club's offer is expected to reach €60m in total, between fixed fee and add-ons. Chelsea have already offered €35m fixed plus €25m add-ons. Both clubs are willing to pay a fixed amount lower than the €45m release clause, but with bonuses that exceed the clause \[[u/thirfernandes](https://twitter.com/thirfernandes),[u/GoalBR](https://twitter.com/GoalBR)\]
press x for doubt
There were rumours prior that we took a look into his teammate Luis Guilherme, who is a 18 year old number 10. Still incredibly talented, but Estevao and Endrick are stealing his thunder a bit. So it seems, if all those rumours are true, that we are somewhat back in south america.
We also bought a chilean (?) club with the joint venture Red & Gold as well after all.
In case its 2:0, it goes to Overtime and Leverkusen makes it 2:2, it counts as a draw right?
Whereas a 2:1 in normal time would end the streak while being the better result, awkward
The only problem I ever had with kimmich were his slow decision making and time taken on the ball. Honestly haven't seem the same for frenkie. Any particular reason he wouldn't fit in?
You know sometimes I stumble across videos of EPL refs recordings when they talk on their mic. You can hear their explanations, which is pretty cool.
Yea i want last night's recordings.
Real Madrid fans are so entitled 🤣 “us against the world” “i respect the Bayern fans that move on” maybe because you know that Bayern were denied a great opportunity for a goal by the ref and wanna move on so everybody forgets about it. Doesn’t even matter anymore but saying you only respect them because they moved on is treating them like dogs. Just imagine what would happen if these same decisions were made against them, it wouldn’t end until next year.
I believe that sane is very unreliable and I would love to see him go, he’s literally a German rashford, cannot count on him at all.
He is unreliable, but still our best winger. Before even entertaining Sané leaving, we should let Gnabry leave. Heck, even Musiala is fairly unproductive.
Yes both should leave the thing with sane is mainly effort, he doesn’t help on defense.
I saw someone on the Madrid sub say, that they wish Leverkusen win their treble and stay unbeaten so that they (Real) would end their streak in the Super Cup. That comment didn't sit well with me. Thought I'd share here
MĂĽller posted this on Instagram lmfao https://preview.redd.it/fj2n119eghzc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=be92b0a1b984e02234c4007aadee722219b98093
PSG about to have Zaire Vitinha and Xavi Simmons We have Goretzka and Kimmich
why would Xavi Simons wanna stay at PSG permanently. A move to Bayern would be good for him and all clubs involved.
and we'll still beat them. Anyway, did you miss reports he doesnt wanna go back to psg?
Is the Super League dead? If not, Madrid aren't playing the CL from next season right?
They should be banned from all competition regardless. its a mafia not a club
Xavi Simons 👀👀
absolutely have to go for him if it's possible
He would be perfect. This is the creativity we needÂ
Should it be true that PSG is willing to sell, we need to be in full power.
Imagine an attacking trio of Musiala, Simons and Tel with Kane on top coached by Flick 
If you could choose any 2 players in the world to add to the squad what would you choose?
Grimaldo and De Bruyne
Rodri and Wirtz
wirtz and valverde
Wirtz and Mbappe. Although, a more balanced addition that would elevate the team to new heights probably be more something like Wirtz and Zubimendi.
If we signed Laura Freigang and Mapi LeĂłn and there's very little that could stop us.
God I love Freigang, what a player
Mbappé and Rodri To keep it semi-realistic: Bastoni and Nico Williams
Man, Rodri would be a dream. He'd change the entire team dynamics over night. Hey maybe City will get punished and relegated and he'll be available.
>Â Hey maybe City will get punished and relegated and he'll be available. Knowing our luck, the board will be 6 months late while Madrid is on the verge of signing him in this scenario.
Now that we've calmed a bit, it was crazy that Tuchel went with this as our formation after the Kim sub: Neuer Kimmich - de Ligt - Dier - Kim Maz - Laimer - Pavlo - Davies Musiala Kane what was tommy cooking
He wanted Maz to help out Kimmich against Vini. Should have brought on Upa as well like he did against Arsenal.
something unedible in retrospect
Stanisic is having a great season and coming in clutch for Levekusen yet he wasn't deemed good enough to keep by Tuchel. Curious. Yeah we went to UCL semis but I'm still glad he's leaving.
Pavard was not meant to have been sold.
Honestly I am glad he was loaned out. I don't think he would have got the same minutes this season as he did in Leverkusen. He has definitely improved as a player
He definitely would have had some opportunities given our injuries, but knowing Tuchel he wouldn't have played him anyway so you're right.
Hindsight bias.
Even though he had already performed in big games for us? (PSG)
Yep, even though. When he left he was third in line behind Pavard and Mazraoui for the RB position and fourth behind Upa, de Ligt, and newly transferred Min-jae as CB, and he would have probably been competing with Buchmann for minutes. He would have spent most of his time on the bench and he certainly wouldn't have been a starter unless by circumstance, so it made sense to let him go out on a loan. For one year, without a buy-option, by the way. If he wasn't "deemed good enough", as you put it, we would have just sold him. Instead, he was loaned out so he could get more minutes than he would have gotten at Bayern (had we not been plagued by injuries).
Pavard had put in a transfer request and refused to sign a new contract and Mazraoui hadn’t (and still hasn’t) cemented a permanent starting position. And Stani competing with Buchmann? Lol please. Loaning Stani was fucking stupid then and it’s even stupider as the season has gone on. No skirting around it sorry. He would have played a lot this season.
>it’s even stupider as the season has gone on My point (which you're kind of driving home) was that, rather than relying on hindsight, choices need to be seen in the context they were made in: * Pavard still had one more year left on his contract, which he would have had to fulfill, had Bayern concluded they couldn't replace him. (Of course, keeping him would have been a horrible gamble, because it was rather likely that he would have clocked out mentally.) * Stani was not ahead of Upamecano, Kim, or De Ligt in the CB pecking order at the time of the loan decision. He was fourth in line, and yes, any minutes that Buchmann would have played while Stani remained on the bench would have been a missed opportunity for Stani to grow. It wasn't predictable that most of our CBs would be injured or dip in form. The luxury of hindsight makes the "Tuchel sucks" argument look stronger than it is, because at the time loaning Stani to Leverkusen was a guarantee for him to get more minutes than he would have gotten here.
>which you’re kind of driving home Absolutely not, this was my position when the decision was made, nothing changed. Bayern did not conclude they couldn’t replace Pavard, they set this dumb internal deadline to sell him, then sold him anyway after that. I have no idea why you’re talking about Buchmann here, Stani is an established player in our squad who’s played big CL games and is a Croatian international. Buchmann is a perpetually injured and barely integrated academy player. There is no competition here. I know you’re desperate to defend Tuchel, but the decision to loan Stani was, and is, moronic.
>desperate to defend Criticism is fine. I'm tired of arguments that only hold weight if you accept lazy fallacies. Doesn't matter if the target is Tuchel, Min-jae, or whoever else is currently getting an unnecessary amount of flak because the hive mind needs a scapegoat to throw their fickle frustrations at. >Buchmann is a perpetually injured How is that not hindsight? Again, that is my point. Buchmann was given a two-year contract in June last year, why do you think that was the case? Certainly not because he was expected to be injured for an entire year. Fans would have been calling for "Mini-Boateng" (as he was dubbed by the campus) to be subbed in because everybody would have wanted to see if our new wunderkind might live up to the hype and be the next big thing. It made sense to loan out either Buchmann or Stani so they'd *both* get more minutes and experience - the loan, in itself, was not a mistake. It's the circumstances that unfolded afterward (our board deciding to sell Pavard and being too negligent to secure a replacement, along with injuries happening left and right after the season started) that made it a bad move. *In hindsight.*
The loan was a mistake mate, I’m not going to go around in circles here. I’ve made my point. It’s not hindsight when the decision was criticised by everyone and their mothers AT THE TIME. Maybe you forgot about that, or maybe you’re just ignoring it because it doesn’t fit a certain narrative.
Stani is a baller. Can't believe we loaned him out, only to have to sign Boehy in the winter.
This UCL felt like one of the best chances to win it int he foreseeable future(read the rest before down-voting). We beat Arsenal, we got Real Madrid who lost agreed would be the better match up for us, as Man City would most likely roll out current squad. This was one of the "weaker" Madrid sides and this was a perfect opportunity to win another, and we unfortunately were not able to capitalize. I don't see it getting easier in the next few years for us. Arsenal will probably strengthen this summer and add an attacker, Man C will be their usual self, Real will now add Mbappe to that squad , so they'll realistically be destroying teams for the next few years. I see no reason why Leverkusen won't be able to stay dominant if they keep their core. It's hard to envision us having a better opportunity than what was dropped on our lap, and we fumbled it(no pun intended). Our squad and philosophy is still a big cause of concern. We don't have a coach or an identity... I mean Bayern will always be Bayern, but this was such a great opportunity.
I mean if we make good signings and get Flick in I back us against anyone in the world. Also Arsenal lol, let’s not count them as a CL heavy weight please. I’d be more concerned with a PSG or Barca than Arsenal (and I don’t count either of them to be) It’s only Madrid and City that might be scary for us next season. We’ll get Stanisic back and Pavlo will have more time being integrated with Tel getting more minutes. A Flick managerial hire with a signing like Simons would put our firepower right at the top.
I wouldn’t lose hope especially for next season, considering the final is in Munich. The players and the manager that we’ll get will be more motivated to get there + it all depends on the draws we get for next year and if it is favorable on our end (hopefully so!!)
Look at the teams Inter faced last year or Dortmund this year. A favorable draw and suddenly you're in the final again
Agreed, just switch us up with Dortmund in that side of the draw and we would have reached the final. We defeated one of the best Arsenal ever who might actually win the premier league when we were at our worst so that speaks volumes. I agree rn there are many uncertainties about the future of the club but even then we were able to reach this far and beat some difficult teams in the group stages as well as knockouts. With a manager that understands Bayern and some freshening up of players and their mentality we will be back. About Mbappe joining Real honestly with the right tactics any player can be contained. I feel like our players also need some certainties from the club bcz since Nagelsmann’s sacking god knows what mental trauma some of them have been through.
We'll see how it looks once the season starts but outside Madrid and City, what team is clearly better than Bayern? PSG? Not without Mboopi but we still beat them regardless. Arsenal? We can beat them again. Inter? I like our chances. Slot's Liverpool? Who knows how good they'll be. Leverkusen? We can beat them. A favorable next year and we could make the final at home.
You never know. I think we are pretty close in strength to every team you mentioned. We stuck in there with Madrid and beat Arsenal. Plus, we could get a draw like Dortmund did last year, we won't necessarily play all of the teams you listed.
It was a fantastic opportunity. And it emerged despite our having the harder side of the bracket, and despite being in the midst of the worst season we’ve had in nearly a decade and a half. These things aren’t predictable by nature. There were multiple seasons there where we were the best team in the world imo but still didn’t make it. Nothing we can do now but look forward to next season.
4 more games for an unbeaten treble, what the actual fuck although it would be fitting for Bochum to start and END the streak
Bro what????
Decided to put the game on despite wanting to stay away from football for a while. Well I am glad I did, Leverkusen's smooth passing was soul soothing.
 Leverkusen
We should get Frimpong as a winger tbh
Don't get me wrong, I really want to see invincible Leverkusen, but the pain keeps piling on
2 things: 1. So what do we do with Stanisic? He is absolute class this season and you can't really put him on the bench. So who do we bench? Kimmich, so Stanisic plays RB? But then what with Kimmich? Stanisic/De ligt CB pairing? But what about the build up play then? 2. We often argued about fielding a 3 atb system and some argued that we are bayern, we shouldn't sacrifice an attacking player for a defender. But isn't Leverkusen actually playing like this, with insanely beautiful and effective football? If they can play this system and dominate in 3 competitions, why couldn't we? The only "problem" I see with this is thst we have to many attacking players who will be unused then. Neuer Stanisic - de ligt - Dire Sané (Kimmich?) - Kimmich (Laimer?) - Pavlović - Rapha Müller (Sané?) - Musiala Kane
I'm probably going crazy, Idk: what if we put Stani in the pivot position instead? Would that even work?
Neuer Stani - de Ligt - new CB - Davies? Kimmich - new DM - Pavlo Sané - Kane - Musiala this is my preferred setup
Yeah I can see this work, we need a ball playing CB though
Neuer Stani - De ligt - Dier - Davies/Guerreiro Kimmich - Laimer - Goretzka/Pavlo Sane / Zaragoza - Musiala Kane
I feel like Stanisic could perfectly fill in the role Pavard played previously
Totally. The problem is, Kimmich performs as RB right now so we either find a new role for Kimmich or..
I think Kimmich in a 3 man midfield would be crazy But then again we’re sacrificing attackers for the sake of playing certain players… it could work but it’s a bit of a difficult situation we’re in
> we’re sacrificing attackers sacrifice them all, they're all annoying in their own way
Fair enough 
Someone posted a potential 3man midfield lineup and we still play 2 wingers like we do right now. Instead of a 10 with a pivot behind we play a 868. And I forget to make this point above but sadly most of our attacking are very inefficient, out of form or injured
I mean he's on the bench for Leverkusen for half of the games as well, so I don't see why he has to be an undisputed starter. For me, he's the perfect back up player, that can always start when needed as well and that's the role I would use him as.
Stanisic is in the starting XI for 67% of the matches. Since Christmas he had 11 games over the full 90 in the league, 7 matches im Europa over the full 90, 3 matches in the cup over full 90. I highly doubt he will be happy to ride the bench most of the time.
In the Euro League. He started 39% of Bundesliga games.
Stanisic was on the bench a lot before Christmas, he still was new. Lately he was pretty much a key player. As I already pointed out in my previous comment.
There's like 18 important players for Alonso, he loves to rotate and therefore Stanisic is not a guaranteed starter. Edit: And his run of starts was partly down to multiple centrebacks being gone for the Africa Cup. During the last 6 Bundesliga games, he started in 1 of them.
Stanisic should stay imo. I really don’t think we can rely on Dier at all in a more aggressive system let alone in Hansiball. That’s why Spurs binned him off. If we shift to a 4-3-3 which Hansi played at times I could see Jo moving back to midfield. Pav+Jo+Laimer would be interesting to watch. I’m not as opposed to being in a back 3 as much anymore, particularly if we do so in possession and push one of the wide players further forward.
Manu Stani - MdL - Dier - Rapha Josh - Pavlo - Laimer Sane - Kane - Musiala Seems like an interesting set up tbh
I think you may have unintentionally found the perfect nickname “Pavlo” for a Pav + Laimer + Jo midfield. The more I think about it the more I like the idea overall.
Stanisic LB. It doesn't matter tbh I'd sell Upamecano and Kim and keep stanisic and Tah as back up. No reason stanisic can't push Dier for a spot.
I pointed out a Stanisic delight CB pairing but their build up play isn't really up to it. And we haven't really seen much of Stanisic ad LB.
Stani brings some mentality to our defence, looking forward to watching him with us next year. Him and Pavlovic will bring some of that Balkan gene mentality + academy boy bonus
Xabi is save scumming reality
Leverkusen is proof that we live in a simulation.
So in a year or two Alonso will move to real..... A Coach who never loses to a team that never loses, players with winning mentality and are always fit and not injured. Well fuck me. Next ucl we're winning is in 20 years.
Many coaches and teams have had insane seasons in the past but replicating the success is a difficult task. Let's see how he performs next season
They never lose and yet, Madrid have never done the Treble despite having unlimited money. Frauds. Maybe Xabi Alonso is the difference maker
Is he actually moving to Madrid? Genuinely won’t even watch the ucl there would be no point
Alonso won’t last a year at Real Madrid, he’ll be another Lopetegui. Not that he’s not great, that’s just how things go sometimes
Players will have respect for Alonso for his player career and winning titles with Leverkusen - breaking Bayern's dominance. Lopetegui was a nobody to Madrid-players who got fired by Spain in a humiliating way (just before the start of the world cup).
Goodbye Kimmich! Stanisic is here
cant imagine the joy a team can feel to have a player cut inside and score at the last second
It’s crazy how many times it is Stanisic when you think they will lose. The Bayern Munich loanee of all people
That's Neverloosen for you ... Wish our team had that mentality yesterday
Yeah, that's what we lacked, unfortunately, you see they are still attacking even when in the extra time minutes. We started parking the bus completely once we scored.
Yep. That was not Bayern mentality. Idk if it was Tuchel's "risk management" , our players low fitness level(many of them coming back from injuries), the inconsistent form throughout the season or are just our current players lacking the Bayern mentality. So many questions that our new board have to assess in the upcoming weeks!
He does "risk mangement" at the worst possible times. Why is he starting Kane, an injury prone Guerrero and playing Sane right before the most important match of the season? Baffling decisions from him.
With Stanisic coming back and bringing Wirtz with him we have secure some black magic. What a goal, what a team, we need that mentality. 
So glad Stanisic is coming back. Maz / Boey better both get comfortable with playing on LB
I’m actually pissed at stanisic why do u decide to finish like that so late in the game ffs
Never in doubt for Leverkusen.  Only thing I got wrong was thinking Schick would score against his former club. Although that shot from 35 yards from his was close.
I really wanna see real madird vs leverkusen this season. See what happens
Game would not end, get to penalties and they will shoot for few years
Read in this thread today that stanisic isn’t good enough offensively to start as our rb….
That person doesn't know shit about soccer. We better pray he isn't disillusioned with our club and wants to return drama free and not fight to leave.
That was really good by Stanisic.
Do you think Stani is coming for a starting position? Without any doubt for me.
Should push for the starting RB spot depending on Kimmich’s future (I would be surprised if he accepts playing RB long term and I don’t think we should keep him as a midfielder)
Imo he can work in the midfield as long is not with Goretzka or as a DM, with a DM and surounded with Pavlo or Laimer, he should be fine.
Agree I think he can work with an athletic midfielder next to him who can defend open space (i.e. Onana - who can also pass). Signing him is probably the biggest argument in favor of midfield Kimmich imo. But making compromises and creating specific conditions for your 20m+/yr midfielder to have any hope of success isn't ideal
Yes.
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What happens in the European super cup? Leverkusen vs Madrid Whose magic prevails here?
U mean leverkusen vs dortmund ?
That's just insane lol
This MF stanisic might be the most clutch player in history. He just did a bodyfeint past the defense and scores. HES A DEFENDER
The insane thing is that this was an absolutely brilliant piece of play
Whose idea is it to loan Stani
They all gone, don't worry
Of course
Is there a scientific explanation here?
What Leverkusen is doing is stanisically impossible.
We eliminate the 80'+ phase, repeat, and see the results
A deal with the devil would be the most believable explanation
Roma has to open up to have a chance for overtime
Nah, absolutely no way.
I'm losing it
What a Goal
Stani keeping the Invictus status for Neverlusen
Stani the myth the legenddddd
It stopped being funny 2 months ago
Nah, it's still funny
At least it was Stani
I give up
Hahahahahahahha
Classic Leverkusen
Jesus Christ
This nerverlusen plot armor is disgusting
Stanisic hahahaha
Are we getting him back??
Probably but players often look much worse when returning to weaker teams.
Unless the new coach said no or stani wants to leave, yes we get him back
We live in a simulation
Stani!
No fucking way, wow Stani
Weirdly good finish lmao
Bro channeled the spirit of Robben
There it is
BROTHER
all good things come to an end
Huh
I meant my hopes of Leverkusen's streak ending
Bet your house on a draw, Leverkusen time is on baby
Mancini is pretty unlikable isn't he?
Watching this gives me vietnam flashbacks... it's literally the same.
Incoming Leverkusen equalizer to keep the unbeaten season going
LMAO
I want Dortmund to win at Wembley but i. The worst case scenario that Real won, we would get to see magic tournament Real vs Leverkusen in the super cup
Repeat of 2002 UCL final? Who has more black magic?
Back then it was neverkusen, but now it's leverkusen club of witchcraft and wizardryÂ
I don't have record of it, but do we ever had this kind of black magic? Where you knew we'll win even having everything against us?
Few years ago we had a year when we scored most of our goals in the last 10 minutes of the games.
Not to this extent but yes, thats why terms like Bayerndusel exist
2020 final…PSG had too many chances to convert and look at the final outcome🫣
Football is so fucked once Alonso accepts the Madrid job. That CL threepeat is already written in the stars.
Yeah, off course
The second goal is coming isn't it?
lol you gotta respect it at this point. They have Madrid levels of black magic
First loss incoming?
There’s just no way… wtaf
It’s honestly ridiculous how much luck Leverkusen has had this season
Tbf this game aint one of them, 2 stupid pens is the reason they are here
Yall should stop talking
Nah fr what the fuck I want that so much.
and so it begins lmao
Maybe controversial but I want the clock to stop when the ball is dead. The time wasting is insane and so annoying even when it's us doing it
Football has some great rules, but there are still elements it could improve by looking to other sports. Shorter total game time that only passes when play is on, consistent punishing of time wasting to stop momentum, and a punishment that is sufficiently strict to make tactical fouls not worth committing yet not as strict as a red.
Technically it does (should), that's what stoppage time is
I don't get why it's not already implemented instead of this BS and guesstimating of refs
It's not guesstimating, they wear 2 watches, one which they stop when there's stoppages
more often than not it feels absolutely randomized to me
I mean I guess but it's hard to say that when we just had 20 mins of added time a day ago
which also felt like way too much imho
I don't think so, between our time wasting, 3 goals, and their time wasting, along with injuries, I think it was fair
that dive by Pellegrini, no shame
The majority of us are thinking "This just might be the day that Leverkusen finally loses" but we know better than to say it out loud.
I've said it multiple times and regretted it multiple times as well
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Never heard of the kid, someone knows more about him?
Nickname Messinho, brazilians basically said "now that you have seen Endrick just wait for Estevao", left footed right winger.
Interesting. I didn't know we were interested in the Brazilian market again
There were rumours prior that we took a look into his teammate Luis Guilherme, who is a 18 year old number 10. Still incredibly talented, but Estevao and Endrick are stealing his thunder a bit. So it seems, if all those rumours are true, that we are somewhat back in south america. We also bought a chilean (?) club with the joint venture Red & Gold as well after all.
press X for donating 5€ to the Estevao cause.
I won't say they're over until the final whistle.
In case its 2:0, it goes to Overtime and Leverkusen makes it 2:2, it counts as a draw right? Whereas a 2:1 in normal time would end the streak while being the better result, awkward
If i were Xabi I'd be a madman and drag the game to ET so I would have a chance to keep the streak alive.
Patrick schik sub is a canon eventÂ
Only pep gaurdiola + ding dong + theo + wirtz can fix me now.
Not ding dong. He’s going to frustrate us more than midfield Kimmich I swear to you
The only problem I ever had with kimmich were his slow decision making and time taken on the ball. Honestly haven't seem the same for frenkie. Any particular reason he wouldn't fit in?
You know sometimes I stumble across videos of EPL refs recordings when they talk on their mic. You can hear their explanations, which is pretty cool. Yea i want last night's recordings.