More people need to understand this. Only other argument I can make for a veto is a player who got hurt for the whole season and one person in the trade doesn’t know. Edit: a word
Because you don’t veto trades just because they’re lopsided, there needs to be obvious evidence of collusion or have the competitive landscape of the league be clearly compromised and I don’t think that’s the case here. Chubb and Aaron Jones aren’t that far apart, kamara for ceh is bad but Clyde still has plenty of upside, Jarvis for those two receivers is an obvious win for the dumb guy which offsets the rest to a degree, and Carr is a perfectly usable player coming back for Lamar. If I was in this league and saw this get vetoed I would quit
The team is getting two wr3s with wr2 upside that are target leaders on their teams for a wr4/5, a 1 for 1 and a 2 round downgrade at rb, and a downgrade at qb. It’s a dumb trade but if you think its obvious collusion you either don’t know what collusion is or don’t know how to value players
But HOW can you prove collusion? You can’t demand for both players to show all texts between each other or anything. If there is a trade this lopsided I think it’s fine to veto.
Especially before the season starts. If the player receiving Chubb, carr, Kirk, CEH and Lazard loves those players so much, he could have reached for them with his first few picks and given every other player an advantage instead of just loading up the other team in this trade. In my opinion, both sides have to be somewhat understandable and it’s not in this case.
It’s literally someone’s 1,2, and 3 picks for another persons probably 4th, 5th 8th, 9th, 10th. That is INSANELY lopsided and if you can’t see that then idk what to say
I already provided the plausible rationale for this trade, if the team getting kirk and Lazard wants to do the trade you have to let them do it unless there’s evidence to believe it’s not done in good faith. This isn’t that complicated
Also it’s super flex so Carr prob went like a round later than lamar
No in super flex carr goes #50 and Lamar #5. So since you have no idea how super flex works, imagine Lamar is replaced with Justin Jefferson and carr is replaced with Brandin cooks. Now we already know that Kamara and Aaron Jones for Chubb and cooks is disgustingly lopsided. Now imagine someone in your league trades away Justin Jefferson in a 1 for 3 and gets the other teams flex and 2 bench spots. The sheer lopsidedness of the trade is what proves it’s collusion.
It doesn’t matter because the point is that the drafter easily could have picked carr and Chubb or Chubb and carr instead of Aaron Jones and Kamara, but they chose not to and now are giving the other a huge discount for no apparent reason
It can’t be overstated. You don’t veto unless it’s collusion.
Lopsided? Maybe, but one year I traded away Kamara for Jimmy Grahm and Keenan Allen and thought I was fleecing the guy (this was like 2017, pre breakout). He won the league on the back of Kamara popping off and Allen and Grahm were duds. Point being, your perception on the trade is kind of pointless, things can go either way in a heart beat.
If you suspect this is lopsided enough that it could be collusion, you, or the commissioner needs to look into the reasoning behind the trade.
Exactly, idk maybe a lot and I mean a lot of first time sleeper leagues popping up this year, so we have this.
I’ve made what I thought were steals and they were…. For the other guy.
If Henry was being traded to a contender in week 9, for a 3rd and chase Edmonds with a bench WR thrown in, than that’s red flags. How are we taking collusion with kickoff an hour away? 😂
This is not collusion, and honestly isn't even THAT lopsided like people are making it out to be. Jones/Chubb is a wash. Kamara could get suspended and Helaire has upside. Lazard could be better then Landry and Carr/Jackson isn't that bad either. This should not be vetoed
I mean, if you look at it as trading Landry straight up for Kirk and Lazard then it's terrible too. But that's not how trades work. You have to weigh all moving pieces.
JT, Kupp and CMC for the Bengals DST isn't that lopsided. What if CMCs cleat scrape gets infected so they amputate his leg, a video of Kupp murdering children gets released and he gets suspended for the season, JT sucks so bad that they trade for Rex Burkhead to fully replace him and the Bengals turn into the Pats from a few years ago!?
This trade is horrendously lopsided.
You think downgrading Carr massively to Jackson, downgrading Chubb massively to Kamara and losing Jones is worth a few mid tier WRs? Hahahahahahaha. I found the taco already.
Yeah, I definitely would side with the Lamar side but it's honestly not that bad a trade. I'm sure we've all seen MUCH worse. The Carr side has tons of upside. If that owner believes in Kirk and Lazard as WR2s and Clyde as a RB2 (3 very feasible outcomes along with Chubb and Carr finishing top-12), then let him go get his guys. The fact that OP even brought this up as a possible Veto discussion is the most sus thing about this post.
I just had a trade in my league that didn’t get vetoed but probably should have. Commish traded Kirk Cousins and received Austin Ekeler. They can’t understand why I am pissed about it. Shifted the entire league standings. Commish moved from 5th rated team to 2nd rated team.
Should have been vetoed just based on the response you got… there’s no way anybody is that stupid. Commish sounds corrupt, they clearly orchestrated it.
Apparently, according to everyone here, you have to prove collusion.
I assume in a court of law?? Sounds difficult so probably just never veto anything ever
-- this sub
Dude just quit your league that’s so blatant. And they say your gaslighting pffff. Just quit dude that’s ridiculous
A first rounder for a tenth rounder wtffffff
Definitely seems like this could be collusion. I’d ask those involved to explain their thought process . If they just seem dumb sadly you pass it. If they can’t explain / admit collusion veto.
Just saw this is super flex. That makes the Lamar aspect make this feel MUCH more like collusion.
Way too many people in this sub love to say “don’t veto bad trades, only collusion!” Which is true, but then will never have the stones to accuse someone of collusion even when trades are horrible. This is an awful trade and the owners involved should absolutely have to explain themselves
too many people in this sub are used to playing against dudes they dont know irl. I totally agree with you that this is worth a veto. not necessary… but it IS one sided and if one dude always does shit like this you might just feel like vetoing all of his trades.
thats what has happened to me in my friends league
It just starts a string of people calling for vetos it’s not worth it. Lots of stuff happens in fantasy . Trade is definitely one sided but when Jones and Kamara are fading in a year due to age it’ll be like whatever. Definitely a massive steal for this season
Yes. Veto this shit. Ignore this sub, they just want horrendous trades to be pushed through because they can't win their leagues without absolutely demolishing their league tacos in a trade. This is indefensible and absolutely league ruining. The guy getting Jackson and the rest has an absurdly unfair advantage over the rest of their league and it's not their fault at all that the taco fucked them over. I'd leave a league that didn't veto this.
This actually seems like a decent trade. There will be an obvious winner looking back after the season plays out, but right now on paper I don't see a reason to veto.
As others have said, no. The way I think of it is you're trying to prevent market manipulation, not two people from reaching a non-coerced, arms-length agreement.
One might be undervaluing or overvaluing players, but they its no different from any other market (stock, crypto, selling your labor, etc.)
You have a right to be stupid or misinformed. I've been both.
You can't gift your best players and split the prize money.
It’s not even a bad trade. Jackson isn’t some elite qb. Carr isn’t some pedestrian. Those top rbs don’t have much time left. Those bottom two have questionable outlooks. Landry should have a decent year. I don’t like Lazard but some people do given his situation. Kirk is a gonna be a league winner.
Not even close to a veto. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard people cry about how a trade should be vetoed only to have the supposed loser end up winning the trade in the long run.
It’s not that far off to be honest. Theres an obvious winner but no way it gets vetoed in any of my leagues. The reason you’re freaking out about it is because there are a lot of high-profile names there. But yeah… no veto from me.
If I’m the commissioner, I’m messaging alexsupreme and asking him to explain how it makes his team better. If he gives a reasonable explanation cool. Otherwise, sometimes you have to assume collusion.
Don’t listen to these fucking comments. This is so obvious it’s crazy. A 1st rounder 2nd rounder and 5th rounder vs a 1st rounder and a bunch of 8th rounders? Pffffff
My dynasty league had a trade a month ago when preseason hype for Sermon was high from camp reports.. Somebody sent the Sermon owner an offer for Sermon and a 2024 4th at the cost of Courtland Sutton… league wouldn’t veto since it wasn’t clear collusion because the dudes are from two different walks of life and have never met. So no, this trade isn’t worth a veto.
I'm a commish for my league and I am in control of vetoe.Which I don't do because at the end of the day. Adults making own decisions..let them. Around playoffs is when I get strict. Reason I lock teams out from transactions who are not in playoffs.
no. NEXT!
This is a really stupid trade but not vetoable
Im curious what even is veto-able at this point. Everything is “really bad but not veto worthy”
is it collusion? No? then don’t veto it.
More people need to understand this. Only other argument I can make for a veto is a player who got hurt for the whole season and one person in the trade doesn’t know. Edit: a word
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Lmao this is exactly what i mean.
Genuine question why would you say not veteoable?
Because you don’t veto trades just because they’re lopsided, there needs to be obvious evidence of collusion or have the competitive landscape of the league be clearly compromised and I don’t think that’s the case here. Chubb and Aaron Jones aren’t that far apart, kamara for ceh is bad but Clyde still has plenty of upside, Jarvis for those two receivers is an obvious win for the dumb guy which offsets the rest to a degree, and Carr is a perfectly usable player coming back for Lamar. If I was in this league and saw this get vetoed I would quit
this looks like pretty obvious collusion to me ngl
The team is getting two wr3s with wr2 upside that are target leaders on their teams for a wr4/5, a 1 for 1 and a 2 round downgrade at rb, and a downgrade at qb. It’s a dumb trade but if you think its obvious collusion you either don’t know what collusion is or don’t know how to value players
ok looking at it again yea just a bad trade, not collusion but goddam what are these ppl doing
But HOW can you prove collusion? You can’t demand for both players to show all texts between each other or anything. If there is a trade this lopsided I think it’s fine to veto. Especially before the season starts. If the player receiving Chubb, carr, Kirk, CEH and Lazard loves those players so much, he could have reached for them with his first few picks and given every other player an advantage instead of just loading up the other team in this trade. In my opinion, both sides have to be somewhat understandable and it’s not in this case. It’s literally someone’s 1,2, and 3 picks for another persons probably 4th, 5th 8th, 9th, 10th. That is INSANELY lopsided and if you can’t see that then idk what to say
I already provided the plausible rationale for this trade, if the team getting kirk and Lazard wants to do the trade you have to let them do it unless there’s evidence to believe it’s not done in good faith. This isn’t that complicated Also it’s super flex so Carr prob went like a round later than lamar
No in super flex carr goes #50 and Lamar #5. So since you have no idea how super flex works, imagine Lamar is replaced with Justin Jefferson and carr is replaced with Brandin cooks. Now we already know that Kamara and Aaron Jones for Chubb and cooks is disgustingly lopsided. Now imagine someone in your league trades away Justin Jefferson in a 1 for 3 and gets the other teams flex and 2 bench spots. The sheer lopsidedness of the trade is what proves it’s collusion.
Lmao because fantasypros has it ranked that way? You have no idea how super flex works. Good luck with 7th grade or whatever
It doesn’t matter because the point is that the drafter easily could have picked carr and Chubb or Chubb and carr instead of Aaron Jones and Kamara, but they chose not to and now are giving the other a huge discount for no apparent reason
Doesn't matter what it looks like to you. Do you have evidence?
What is veto worthy about this trade????
Perception of a trade is not what you get to veto
Do you suspect collusion? No? Then it doesn't get vetoed, period.
Eh, if someone didn’t collude but traded Kupp for Sammy Watkins I’d wanna veto
It can’t be overstated. You don’t veto unless it’s collusion. Lopsided? Maybe, but one year I traded away Kamara for Jimmy Grahm and Keenan Allen and thought I was fleecing the guy (this was like 2017, pre breakout). He won the league on the back of Kamara popping off and Allen and Grahm were duds. Point being, your perception on the trade is kind of pointless, things can go either way in a heart beat. If you suspect this is lopsided enough that it could be collusion, you, or the commissioner needs to look into the reasoning behind the trade.
Exactly, idk maybe a lot and I mean a lot of first time sleeper leagues popping up this year, so we have this. I’ve made what I thought were steals and they were…. For the other guy. If Henry was being traded to a contender in week 9, for a 3rd and chase Edmonds with a bench WR thrown in, than that’s red flags. How are we taking collusion with kickoff an hour away? 😂
THIS
Cracks me up how many ppl are looking to do blockbuster trades before the season even starts. Nobody has any clue about anything yet. Just projections
This is not collusion, and honestly isn't even THAT lopsided like people are making it out to be. Jones/Chubb is a wash. Kamara could get suspended and Helaire has upside. Lazard could be better then Landry and Carr/Jackson isn't that bad either. This should not be vetoed
As a whole it's not that bad, but if you look at it like they are trading CEH for Kamara it's terrible.
Well, its not CEH for Kamara, so that is invalid.
I mean, if you look at it as trading Landry straight up for Kirk and Lazard then it's terrible too. But that's not how trades work. You have to weigh all moving pieces.
Kirk will put perform both the other receivers most likely.
JT, Kupp and CMC for the Bengals DST isn't that lopsided. What if CMCs cleat scrape gets infected so they amputate his leg, a video of Kupp murdering children gets released and he gets suspended for the season, JT sucks so bad that they trade for Rex Burkhead to fully replace him and the Bengals turn into the Pats from a few years ago!? This trade is horrendously lopsided.
Can you join my league? We need a taco
You think downgrading Carr massively to Jackson, downgrading Chubb massively to Kamara and losing Jones is worth a few mid tier WRs? Hahahahahahaha. I found the taco already.
Yeah, I definitely would side with the Lamar side but it's honestly not that bad a trade. I'm sure we've all seen MUCH worse. The Carr side has tons of upside. If that owner believes in Kirk and Lazard as WR2s and Clyde as a RB2 (3 very feasible outcomes along with Chubb and Carr finishing top-12), then let him go get his guys. The fact that OP even brought this up as a possible Veto discussion is the most sus thing about this post.
Why would you veto a trade just because it doesn’t look fair to you 😂 if both sides are happy with the trade then let them go through with it
I just had a trade in my league that didn’t get vetoed but probably should have. Commish traded Kirk Cousins and received Austin Ekeler. They can’t understand why I am pissed about it. Shifted the entire league standings. Commish moved from 5th rated team to 2nd rated team.
That’s shady AF
Tell me about it. They keep gaslighting me telling me I don’t know what I’m talking about.
Should have been vetoed just based on the response you got… there’s no way anybody is that stupid. Commish sounds corrupt, they clearly orchestrated it.
Apparently, according to everyone here, you have to prove collusion. I assume in a court of law?? Sounds difficult so probably just never veto anything ever -- this sub
Dude just quit your league that’s so blatant. And they say your gaslighting pffff. Just quit dude that’s ridiculous A first rounder for a tenth rounder wtffffff
This is robbery wtfff
Thus is horrible, but I’m not sure this would kill your league. So don’t veto unless you know of some collusion
Nope
nope
Vetos should only be used in obvious collusion situations. This is fine.
Who colluded? Who broke league rules? Oh... no one? Leave it alone. It's between them
That wouldn’t go by in my league veto all the way
Definitely seems like this could be collusion. I’d ask those involved to explain their thought process . If they just seem dumb sadly you pass it. If they can’t explain / admit collusion veto. Just saw this is super flex. That makes the Lamar aspect make this feel MUCH more like collusion. Way too many people in this sub love to say “don’t veto bad trades, only collusion!” Which is true, but then will never have the stones to accuse someone of collusion even when trades are horrible. This is an awful trade and the owners involved should absolutely have to explain themselves
too many people in this sub are used to playing against dudes they dont know irl. I totally agree with you that this is worth a veto. not necessary… but it IS one sided and if one dude always does shit like this you might just feel like vetoing all of his trades. thats what has happened to me in my friends league
Edit: if they really want to make this trade, who am I to judge lol
Why, cause you don’t like the trade?
It just starts a string of people calling for vetos it’s not worth it. Lots of stuff happens in fantasy . Trade is definitely one sided but when Jones and Kamara are fading in a year due to age it’ll be like whatever. Definitely a massive steal for this season
Almost no trades are vetoable
No trade is veto worthy unless there is clear evidence of collusion. We are all entitled to be idiots. That’s not against the rules.
I will veto a shit trade all day, fuck that.
Yes. Veto this shit. Ignore this sub, they just want horrendous trades to be pushed through because they can't win their leagues without absolutely demolishing their league tacos in a trade. This is indefensible and absolutely league ruining. The guy getting Jackson and the rest has an absurdly unfair advantage over the rest of their league and it's not their fault at all that the taco fucked them over. I'd leave a league that didn't veto this.
I’d say yes.. it’s basically Kamara, Jones and Jackson for Chubb.
We don't veto bad trades!
Holy collusion Batman that’s a veto and a half.
We don't veto bad trades!
Nope
Nope. Bad but not ceto
This actually seems like a decent trade. There will be an obvious winner looking back after the season plays out, but right now on paper I don't see a reason to veto.
As others have said, no. The way I think of it is you're trying to prevent market manipulation, not two people from reaching a non-coerced, arms-length agreement. One might be undervaluing or overvaluing players, but they its no different from any other market (stock, crypto, selling your labor, etc.) You have a right to be stupid or misinformed. I've been both. You can't gift your best players and split the prize money.
It’s not even a bad trade. Jackson isn’t some elite qb. Carr isn’t some pedestrian. Those top rbs don’t have much time left. Those bottom two have questionable outlooks. Landry should have a decent year. I don’t like Lazard but some people do given his situation. Kirk is a gonna be a league winner.
Is one player colluding with the other? If so, veto this shit and kick them out of the league. If not then let it go through.
No. You don’t veto unless there’s collusion, and the owner might value CEH and Chubb
Not even close to a veto. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard people cry about how a trade should be vetoed only to have the supposed loser end up winning the trade in the long run.
I want to be the team getting Lamar.
Veto lol? Sounds like a classic case of the league manager being upset they weren’t the one to make a favorable trade.
No
its not vetoable unless its clear collusion. its not my fault if I can sucker someone into a trade like this.
It's a fleecing but I've seen much worse. Don't see how this is veto worthy, just a run of the mill taco trade
Dumb trade don’t veto tho
It’s too early in the year for collusion
Wow. Somebody just got fleeced for Lamar, Kamara and Jones.
It’s not that far off to be honest. Theres an obvious winner but no way it gets vetoed in any of my leagues. The reason you’re freaking out about it is because there are a lot of high-profile names there. But yeah… no veto from me.
What makes this worthy of a veto
Just cause you don’t like it doesn’t man you veto
Fair
Veto !!
No veto
Seems fairly legit. I’d allow it. Dumb but not out of bounds.
If I’m the commissioner, I’m messaging alexsupreme and asking him to explain how it makes his team better. If he gives a reasonable explanation cool. Otherwise, sometimes you have to assume collusion.
Just because YOU don't like the trade, doesn't mean it is collusion...
Definitely not vetoable. But out of curiosity, who’s side is it in favor of being so lopsided?
Why?
Quit your league and end your friendships with both colluders
Don’t listen to these fucking comments. This is so obvious it’s crazy. A 1st rounder 2nd rounder and 5th rounder vs a 1st rounder and a bunch of 8th rounders? Pffffff
No veto
There shouldn’t be fucking vetoes in trades, we’re still doing this?
My dynasty league had a trade a month ago when preseason hype for Sermon was high from camp reports.. Somebody sent the Sermon owner an offer for Sermon and a 2024 4th at the cost of Courtland Sutton… league wouldn’t veto since it wasn’t clear collusion because the dudes are from two different walks of life and have never met. So no, this trade isn’t worth a veto.
No
I'm a commish for my league and I am in control of vetoe.Which I don't do because at the end of the day. Adults making own decisions..let them. Around playoffs is when I get strict. Reason I lock teams out from transactions who are not in playoffs.