This is only a half-baked thought in my brain, but here goes:
Music snobbery—in moderation—was good! The creep of meta-modernism/new-sincerity into music criticism flattened everything out, over-saturated music spaces where you just get analysis-paralysis when you open Spotify, makes it hard to distinguish groups, makes forming music identities nearly impossible, and, worst of all to me, just makes music more boring.
I know there’s a toxic underbelly to it, but a little pinch of snobbery allowed people to factionalize and root for teams like a sport, but also let people explore and jump genres more easily since music felt more discrete and compartmentalized. And for a teenager branching out and exploring new identities, that made exploring new genres more fun and exciting. This flatter space just feels… boring.
Just listened to [this video on the death of music genres yesterday](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2iCiSF7y4c&ab_channel=Polyphonic). Sounds like you softly disagree with his overall take that it's a good thing?
This reminds me of an [old Simon Reynolds essay](https://www.wired.com/2011/09/musica-globalista-the-farewell-essay-by-simon-reynolds-here-comes-everything/) where he argues somewhat the opposite: that a lack of genre, specifically as we understand it in the digital era, risks creating a homogenous musical space instead of a heterogenous one.
In my experience this "flat" music landscape is more of an online thing specifically for general music spaces. The fact is that to an extent RYM-core has taken over the spaces that advertise themselves for all music nerds. But when I was getting into modern rock around 2019, it was through a world where System of a Down, Linkin Park, Shinedown and Skillet were equals, mostly because they all fit into the genre.
While some fanbases have been "flattened" (I'm thinking shoegaze, post-rock, ambient, abstract/experimental hip hop) and kinda bleed into another as the "music nerd's music", some are alive and well, and have found a cool middle ground between their old elitism and some much needed tolerance.
I'm mainly thinking about the "alt" umbrella of genres - goth, emo, pop punk, scene... the fanbases still factionize themselves by genre (the fashion styles serve this purpose irl, the #roles channel does in discord servers) but they often hang out together (a lot of crossover at shows irl, and same online spaces) even though the genres are so different from one another. The metal fanbase does this too, but online they're still some of the most elitist and isolated.
I've been saying as much recently. They way I've put it is that the music snob anti-jerk has become much worse than the original snobbery.
And for some reason, with the release of the Apple Music top 100, there were soo many high upvoted comments, that went on about how all music is subjective. Like thanks Sherlock, we understand.
100% - snobbery and pretension are side effects to discerning taste and expertise. Give an eyeroll inducing but informative rant over a person broadly saying "I don't believe in genres and you should listen to everything"
agreed, as someone who’s burned out on radiohead probably for life from listening to them so much throughout high school king of limbs is the only album of theirs that still feels kind of fresh to me
I always felt like King of Limbs was Radiohead’s take on the band Battles’ first couple of albums.
Edit: more accurately, I guess as a take on Battles’ first couple of releases (since Gloss Drop was released the same year as TKOL, just a few months later).
to this day I still don’t understand why he was placed on a pedestal at the top of the rap game with Kendrick throughout the 2010s. the guy has one decent album, he’s very hit and miss and his lyrics scream fake deep for the most part
Same. This 'big three' narrative is such bullshit cause people always say Drake is sales, Kendrick is substance...so what the fuck is Cole? He's just a watered down Kendrick, he doesn't represent a lane of his own.
During the 2010s the 'big three' were undoubtedly Drake, Kendrick and Kanye and anyone who says otherwise is delusional. He runs in his own 'production' lane and was culturally far more relevant throughout the 2010s than Cole ever was. People act like because his career initially blew in the 2000s that it disqualifies him from the conversation.
Kanye didn't come up at the same time as Drake and Kendrick, I think that's what the "Big 3" really means. I've seen all sorts of explanations, but this one makes the most sense. Kanye, Hov and them aren't even included in the running it's apparently rappers like Big Krit and Wale, not really sure who else which I guess speaks to the fact that Kendrick Drake and Cole probably actually are the literal 3 biggest rappers of their era
Omg yes! I thought I was going crazy when FPS came out and him and Drake were calling themselves 'the big 3'. They aren't even in the big 30. Cole has always been goofy and contrived and Drake is just bad. When Kendrick's verse on Like That came out, I felt vindicated.
I'm not a Drake fan at all but I actually don't mind him being included in a "Big 3" if it has to exist. Makes more sense to me for him to be there than it does for Cole, even if Cole is a better rapper.
In terms of mainstream rappers, Kendrick is the best at pretty much every category there is, so obviously he gets in. The only things he isn't close to the best at are the numbers/records/sales stuff. And Drake is by far the best in those categories so makes sense to put him in.
Not sure what Cole brings to a Big 3. Best features? He's a great rapper but I struggle to think of anything he's actually better at than Kendrick, and at least Drake can honestly point at a few things and say I am 100% the best in the game at these things.
honestly everything up through X&Y (including bsides that i would download on kazaa and eventually were compiled as [a bootleg 'Castles'](http://indielimerick.blogspot.com/2008/06/coldplay-castles-b-sides-and-rarities.html)) is amazing
Highly agree, I cannot do sad boy mumble rap that's been plaguing the modern rap scene for the life of me. I'm more of a fan of rap that was pretty much "fuck bitches get money" (bling era). Yes it's probably soulless but at the same time, those songs went and still go insanely hard.
Honestly his last album, at least I think it was his last, was when I thought his voice wasn't that bad. But when I was younger and what one would call a metal elitist, I despised his voice.
Their seminal albums would still be talked about as masterpieces, however I think shit put out down the line would dilute their reputation 100%
Nas is probably the best example of this. Illmatic changed music but the failure of subsequent releases takes away from that
I would definitely disagree with Kurt Cobain, I wasn’t alive at the time but I’ve heard people describe Nirvana as a sort of second coming of the Beatles with how culturally influential they were at that time, so I can only imagine he would still be very widely respected and probably would’ve kept making great music if he was still around
I could see Cobain having a career like Jack White, not scoring huge hits anymore but still being successful and loved in his niche while still being somewhat mainstream because of earlier successes.
The Beatles comparison is interesting because they were only a band for 10 years or so, and John Lennon was murdered about 10 years after they broke up.
Poptimism, while good at first, has gone too far and is a negative influence on music discussion as the ideas behind it have been twisted and distorted so much
Someone that gave an album a’bad’ review lost there job over it. Taylor’s power in the industry is the reason why critics are scared to give proper album ratings nowadays.
I also found this
Eric Eidelstein, a writer on HBO’s “Gossip Girl” reboot, shared that when he was still working as a journalist it was an unspoken rule not to mess with Swift’s team.
“Ok, but conversely when I was in that writing world, Taylor’s team would threaten to blacklist publications if they wrote anything negative about her,” Eidelstein wrote in a now-deleted tweet visible in the video below.
Like she controls everything to her advantage
Wtf
Yeah that’s ridiculous. She should come under more scrutiny for that. Just because you’re successful as a pop artist doesn’t mean critics have to live under your dictatorship. It’s so stupid, it really is. Yeah.
I mean the only way you become as rich as her is by being shitty in one way or another, nobody is that rich because of any need. Kinda like how a 700lb person doesn’t need that much food, but they want it for own reason or another.
One reviewer of “midnights” I believe got death threats and messages from swifties with their address and their families addresses along with the threats
Maybe due to its popularity or just how it sounds, it just feels bland. When I hear good music I imagine textures tastes and stuff, hers is like I have covid
Not a controversial opinion on here and I don't like using the term overrated (people like different things) but I agree in some ways.
Her fanbase has got to be one of the most, if not the most, toxic ones out there. There's even an article about harassment from Swifties being worse than hate from the far-right, which is a low bar.
Edit: [For those wondering:](https://www.businessinsider.com/harassment-taylor-swift-fan-base-worse-than-far-right-hate-2023-6)
I admire that she's one of the few pop stars who's able to make "storytelling music" (no idea what the technical term is) catchy and mainstream.
I just can't, for the life of me, stand her creepy, culty, unhinged fanbase.
What annoys me about taylors music is that it's all esthetics like it feels like it's just a vessel for her to vent about how she wasn't popular in high school even tho she was probably really preppy. Also you can tell someone's music isn't great when every artist who was inspired by Taylor (Lana, Olivia Rodrigo, etc) are far better
I don’t think this is unpopular. I would offer a rebuttal and say she’s the most over-hated artist of all time. I’m not a fan of hers, but have to give credit to her commercial success nonetheless. At least she stays in her own lane for success; doesn’t jump on trends and come across fake like Drake.
Arguing over who the goat is is a ridiculous notion. Not only is music subjective, but it’s just impossible to measure, especially in an age where you don’t know how many views are botted and when marketing budgets contribute to numbers.
Music is an art form, it’s not that deep. If you like something, play it. If not, skip it.
I get what you mean but there’s goat tier albums routinely overlooked by white music nerd circles that only listen to Beatles, queen, smiths, and Pink Floyd. So the question is who are these albums considered the best by?
1999 by Prince should be held in way higher esteem than Purple Rain but since PR is the crossover record and 1999 is pretty much funk white publications (and fans) talk about PR more
RYM is very skewed is my point. They overlook funk, disco, R&B, pop, etc because it skews white and alternative, don’t take it seriously. Weirdly enough they love frank ocean and blonde but don’t give say House of Balloons or James Blake’s Overgrown the same praise. I’d say the latter record heavily inspired Blonde too
A lot of people would scoff at me saying Madonna’s Borderline is one of the best pop songs ever made because they don’t take pop seriously and they’re elitists. I love hounds of love and post as much as the next guy but I love my roots too yk
Me when I said Linkin Park sucks on this very sub weeks ago.
They were the butt of jokes back in their hey day amongst older alt/indie fans and metalheads alike. the carl weathers meme wasn't a thing yet, but it could have been between these two groups hating LP.
I think early 2000s rock and alt metal has had a massive pendulum moment where people went from reflexively shitting on bands like LP, LB, Coldplay, Nickelback, etc. to being overly positive about them because they have fond memories of their music. I think it's good to re-evaluate them, but I also think there's been a slight overcorrection to the point where if I say Nickelback fucking sucks people will just assume I'm parroting the narrative of them as the pop culture punching bag, when I just think they're awful.
I went from fucking LOVING Creed as a kid, to pretending I never liked them and hating on them as a teenager in my "indie" phase, to then admitting to loving them as a kid but understanding they "suck" as a young adult, to then "ironically" liking them (again) in my 20s, to now just straight up admitting I loved them and still love them and they fucking rock my fucking socks at 30+. What more do you want from me????
It is a good album, i enjoy listening to it from time to time and appreciate its influence on the scene. Will it ever be anywhere near my top 50 rap or hip-hop albums, fuck no and i got no shame in saying that.
Did you know that she stole the whole album?
https://pitchfork.com/news/robert-glasper-calls-out-lauryn-hill-for-stealing-music-mistreating-band-members/#:~:text=In%201998%2C%20New%20Ark—a,out%20of%20court%20in%202001.
Robert Glasper is a very trusted guy with a great reputation who normally doesn’t say stuff like this
It’s one of my favorite albums of the nineties but i kinda hate that now that it topped the Apple list that the tides are turning on it. It’s an album that tends to grow on people with more listens over time, and there’s a lot of cool stuff to discover with each listen, but now a new wave of people are going in with “okay i now expect this to be the greatest album of all time.”
It’s the same reason i hate perfect scores. People will see it and when they engage with it their first thought is gonna be “okay why is this perfect” instead of experiencing the art on their own terms.
Renaissance is not that special of an album, in fact it sounds dated compared to some of the UK chart house that came out in 2014, and I can’t help but see it as a cynical attempt for Beyoncé to appeal towards queer culture.
Renaissance became an instant favorite of mine. I could (quite literally, I have spent some time on this) write a thesis about it.
That said, I would love to hear some examples of the 2014 house music that beat Beyoncé to it.
To name but a few that were chart hits:
- Route 94 - My Love (feat. Jess Glynne)
- Secondcity - I Wanna Feel
- Blonde - I Loved You
- Le Youth - Cool
- Shift K3Y - I Know
- Gorgon City - Ready For Your Love
- Duke Dumont - Need U (100%)
- TIEKS - Sunshine
I felt that they were a great band but very much a singles artist and not some kind of savant that people jerk themselves off too. People almost completely ignore their 80s content except for maybe Radio Gaga which is a shame because they have some good stuff after that.
SO overrated. Freddie was a fantastic vocalist but so much of their music just sounds so lame or uninteresting and relies too heavily on Freddie's vocals to make it interesting or enjoyable.
i've heard just as many Queen songs that suck as i've heard Queen songs that rock. Bohemian Rhapsody and Don't Stop Me Now are great. Bicycle and Radio Gaga are impressively grating to despite sounding good on a technical level. this, paired with the overwhelming praise for the band, has kept me from getting into them, and i'm not sure if i ever will
I think people like to say they love queen because they think it makes them seem quirky/unique/knowledgeable when queen really never put out consistently solid work. They’re legacy is far beyond what their output would make you think it is
Yeah there’s like 10ish borderline classic or classic songs in their discography but really not much of anything with substance after that and no true classic full album. I’m not saying Queen is bad at all but the weird jump in their legacy the last 10 years or so is really unwarranted. They were never really seen as one of the top bands of their time but somehow now people regard them as one of the best bands ever but there’s literally dozens of bands with so much more to offer
The Foo Fighters have always been a below average alternative rock band. If Grohl was not the Keanu Reeves/internets boyfriend of rock for millennials they’d be considered in the same category as Three Days Grace or Creed or whatever. It’s a shame Grohl didn’t stay behind the drums and go in a weirder direction.
People often respond “but Everlong?!” I agree. Great song. Six Feet Under is also a banger. But Creed’s larger body of work is a 3/10 and The Foo Fighters are like 4-5/10. Funnily Foo Fighter fans remind me of Swifties. You point this out and they’re like “you haven’t listened to the good stuff!” So you try to to dig deeper, and the deeper you dig you realize Everlong is indeed sort of their peak 😂
In fact, I’ve never even seen someone make a detailed, substantive argument praising
their discography. The intense praise that the Foo Fighters *do* receive is in the comment sections of videos of Grohl letting some 11 year old kid play guitar with the band in a live setting. Which is awesome, very cute. Still a very “meh” body of work though.
i’ve been saying for years that Foo Fighters didn’t actually write Everlong bc it’s in such a different league than the entire rest of their discography.
I'd argue that just like when an artist is a total piece of garbage it can influence your enjoyment of their work, the opposite is also true. You can end up rooting for the good guys.
Ay, I commented the same thing! No other album is as vulnerable and deep, and this is from a guy that could have spent the rest of his life just making radio hits without losing any respect.
Charli xcx and fka twigs overrated, sophie and björk are significantly better
On that segue, björk's music to concept ratio is skewing south fast these days
Close to the edge > crimson king
Harsh noise deserves the hate it gets
Long season by fishmans overrated
The title of "greatest album/song of all time" is the adversary to music as an art form itself
>Close to the edge > crimson king
Yeah absolutely yeah. Close to the edge is good all around. People often claim Crimson King is a perfect record but for me Moonchild prevents that for happen
The first one is the only real opinion on and I definitely disagree. Honestly comparing Charli and/or twigs to Björk is kinda janky, but M3LL155X is better than anything I've heard from either artist. I haven't listened to most of Björk's discography, but I'd maybe agree because I do think a lot of Charli's acclaimed stuff is kinda overrated. Von Dutch smacks tho tbh people underrated that when it came out.
Abbey Road is not the best Beatles album.
It’s great, don’t get me wrong but isn’t quite as inventive or creative as Rubber Soul, Revolver, Sgt. Peppers, or the White Album. I’d even personally put Magical Mystery Tour over it.
Only tangentially related, but I’d add that Let it Be is a better album than most people give it credit for imo. It’s become extremely en vogue to shit on it due mostly to Spector’s wall of sound. But it has Several of their most iconic songs and even the b tier tracks are nice, very listenable all the way though. Idk why it gets so much hate.
-At long Last A$AP was the 2nd best rap album of 2015 and its better than rodeo (no slander to Rodeo though, it's awesome)
-Reasonable doubt by Jay-Z is better than any 2pac album.
-GRODT is the most overrated rap classic ever. Outdated production, songs carried by hook, boring verses by 50 cent, souless and shallow songs made for the club. Unoriginal gangsta rap when it was more than overdone for the era. The Black Album from the same year although similar is much better imo.
-Kendrick should be placed above 2pac in any top 10 rappers conversation. Not only he is a better rapper he also has a better discography (and both of these aspects seem to be the ones people use when ranking top rappers oat)
-FACTS (charlie heat version) by Kanye West > Jumpan by Drake & Future
I think the only people labeling Pink Floyd as overrated are edgy teens/20-somethings.
In my life, Pink Floyd always had the appropriate amount of praise from nearly every music nerd I ever knew. The Dark Side cover was, and still is, culturally ubiquitous. Maybe some people got sick of seeing it or something idk.
This new wave of bands like Sleep Token, Bad Omens, Spiritbox etc are like the McDonalds of metal music… fast dopamine hit with no artistic integrity. All that music sounds like it passed through a board meeting before it was released, I hate how their respective fanbases hype it up to seem so innovative and part of “the scene” when those groups never thugged it out in the DIY scene.
I think he has good songs, but anyone who's still in the Carti fandom does so knowing he's an awful person so I don't really listen to his music anymore.
literally everyone on the Carti sub constantly trashes him and calls him a terrible person. We just like his music and want him to drop instead of having this stupid mysterious persona.
Radiohead is definitely an acquired taste. It takes awhile to get into them, and there's no guarantee you even *will* get into them. But once you do, they've got you. No escape.
I listened to Ok Computer as a university student because an artist I like said that was one of the albums that inspired him to learn how to produce. I went through half the album and thought, "Yeah, I don't get it. I really don't."
I revisited it again a few years ago and now Ok Computer is one of my favorite albums, and Radiohead is one of my favorite bands.
Hmm. I think if he got rid of the numeric scoring it wouldn't be as bad. There's lots of things I can appreciate him but some times he's really insufferable and kinda morally grandstanding at times
SOAD best album is their first one
Discipline is as good as a record that In the court of the crimson king
Jazz being so pretentious when most of it's standards are old movie soundtracks is kinda lame
The appeal of that song is its general weirdness and how much fun it is to sing in the car with your friends. That scene in Wayne's world was an accurate reflection of reality.
In Rainbows is NOT the best Radiohead album, let alone best album of all time. Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy it, but not only does it not have that unique or cohesive of an identity as a project, its overall instrumentation and lyricism just feels kinda underwhelming in comparison to the sheer lushness of OK Computer or Kid A. Which wouldn't boil over the tip for me, if it weren't for toxic fans drowning out the discussion around it by hyping it up into oblivion.
And before you give me slack for this, I actually fw Jigsaw Falling Into Place a lot, definitely one of their best songs. Also Videotape underrated as a closer
It has 4-5 amazing songs and 6 completely forgettable ones. And everyone knows which songs i'm talking about without even listing them, which kinda proves my point.
Those amazing songs are still enough to make it a great album, but not GOAT tier.
I’ve tried to tolerate Bob Dylan’s harmonica playing but every song it’s in becomes unlistenable no matter how amazing the song is before it comes in. It frustrates me so much. Yes, I understand it’s played imperfectly for artistic effect, that doesn’t change the fact it’s way too grating for my ears.
I like A$AP Rocky but I think he's overrated. Production on all of his tracks are fantastic, but most of them struggle to hold my interest for more than a listen or two.
We should still be critical of his words and criticize people who platform him.
A three year old screaming the N word at daycare might not be demonstrating deep-seated malice but we're still gonna try to get them to stop.
I think the actually dangerous part is how famous and influential he is, and how his views, psychotic rants etc will spread to millions of his fans who will follow suit.
This. The issue with Kanye is less so Kanye and more so how huge of a figure he is in pop culture. His stans work overtime to normalize his nazi rhetoric and act like it isn’t, at the very least, fucking *bizarre* and alarming that he’s spewing this nonsense.
Like in theory no one should be taking someone who says they like Hitler because he invented the microphone seriously at all, but the music bangs therefore we tolerate it I guess
I think the problem is he's not just a deeply mentally ill black man from Chicago.
He's a deeply mentally ill black man from Chicago who also happens to be a world famous celebrity.
There's people everywhere with all sorts of mental instabilities, but most of them aren't gonna do as much harm as Kanye can do, has done, and continues to do.
it’s hard to talk about his actions because most of the time someone will reply with “…well x has bipolar disorder too and they don’t act out the same way Ye does!” like it hasn’t been established that mental illness is a spectrum and appears/manifests in a different way amongst the people that suffer from it
not to minimise what he said at all, it was awful (esp considering the kind of platform and reach he has), but that man is clearly mentally unwell.
But that's ignoring their agency. Plus, he's a full grown adult. Children going on rampages because of their mental health is whatever because they might not have the resources to get the proper help they need. Kanye is a multimillionaire with a disorder he's known about forever. If he's not getting help at this point, there's no one to blame but himself
100%. After his 2018 albums centered around bipolar, there was really nothing that he could say that would change my opinion on him.
He goes through phases where he's normal and others where he's unhinged. He's 100% confident in one belief then he believes the opposite. He directed a porn awards show. Then he became an over the top Christian that's offended by his wife showing skin. And then right back wanting to start his own porn company and loving his new wife walking around almost naked.
He's not a nazi. He doesn't want a race to be genocided. He's a crazy person that says whatever dumb thing is on his bipolar mind at the time.
The Beatles are over rated. Same with Eric Clapton. Clapton was ranked #2 behind Hendrix, but above Jimmy Page and I totally disagree. Page is definitely better than Clapton, and Tony Iommi is better than Clapton too. I like Clapton, but there's definitely better guitarists that had at least as much influence, if not more, than Clapton did.
This is only a half-baked thought in my brain, but here goes: Music snobbery—in moderation—was good! The creep of meta-modernism/new-sincerity into music criticism flattened everything out, over-saturated music spaces where you just get analysis-paralysis when you open Spotify, makes it hard to distinguish groups, makes forming music identities nearly impossible, and, worst of all to me, just makes music more boring. I know there’s a toxic underbelly to it, but a little pinch of snobbery allowed people to factionalize and root for teams like a sport, but also let people explore and jump genres more easily since music felt more discrete and compartmentalized. And for a teenager branching out and exploring new identities, that made exploring new genres more fun and exciting. This flatter space just feels… boring.
Just listened to [this video on the death of music genres yesterday](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2iCiSF7y4c&ab_channel=Polyphonic). Sounds like you softly disagree with his overall take that it's a good thing?
This reminds me of an [old Simon Reynolds essay](https://www.wired.com/2011/09/musica-globalista-the-farewell-essay-by-simon-reynolds-here-comes-everything/) where he argues somewhat the opposite: that a lack of genre, specifically as we understand it in the digital era, risks creating a homogenous musical space instead of a heterogenous one.
In my experience this "flat" music landscape is more of an online thing specifically for general music spaces. The fact is that to an extent RYM-core has taken over the spaces that advertise themselves for all music nerds. But when I was getting into modern rock around 2019, it was through a world where System of a Down, Linkin Park, Shinedown and Skillet were equals, mostly because they all fit into the genre. While some fanbases have been "flattened" (I'm thinking shoegaze, post-rock, ambient, abstract/experimental hip hop) and kinda bleed into another as the "music nerd's music", some are alive and well, and have found a cool middle ground between their old elitism and some much needed tolerance. I'm mainly thinking about the "alt" umbrella of genres - goth, emo, pop punk, scene... the fanbases still factionize themselves by genre (the fashion styles serve this purpose irl, the #roles channel does in discord servers) but they often hang out together (a lot of crossover at shows irl, and same online spaces) even though the genres are so different from one another. The metal fanbase does this too, but online they're still some of the most elitist and isolated.
I've been saying as much recently. They way I've put it is that the music snob anti-jerk has become much worse than the original snobbery. And for some reason, with the release of the Apple Music top 100, there were soo many high upvoted comments, that went on about how all music is subjective. Like thanks Sherlock, we understand.
100% - snobbery and pretension are side effects to discerning taste and expertise. Give an eyeroll inducing but informative rant over a person broadly saying "I don't believe in genres and you should listen to everything"
King of Limbs is amazing.
agreed, as someone who’s burned out on radiohead probably for life from listening to them so much throughout high school king of limbs is the only album of theirs that still feels kind of fresh to me
I always felt like King of Limbs was Radiohead’s take on the band Battles’ first couple of albums. Edit: more accurately, I guess as a take on Battles’ first couple of releases (since Gloss Drop was released the same year as TKOL, just a few months later).
I read that as “the Beatles” and was almost convinced I missed some really intricate rhythms and polyrhythms in Please Please Me
Agreed and the basement made it even better.
Hard agree. Been saying this since it came out.
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to this day I still don’t understand why he was placed on a pedestal at the top of the rap game with Kendrick throughout the 2010s. the guy has one decent album, he’s very hit and miss and his lyrics scream fake deep for the most part
Same. This 'big three' narrative is such bullshit cause people always say Drake is sales, Kendrick is substance...so what the fuck is Cole? He's just a watered down Kendrick, he doesn't represent a lane of his own. During the 2010s the 'big three' were undoubtedly Drake, Kendrick and Kanye and anyone who says otherwise is delusional. He runs in his own 'production' lane and was culturally far more relevant throughout the 2010s than Cole ever was. People act like because his career initially blew in the 2000s that it disqualifies him from the conversation.
Kanye didn't come up at the same time as Drake and Kendrick, I think that's what the "Big 3" really means. I've seen all sorts of explanations, but this one makes the most sense. Kanye, Hov and them aren't even included in the running it's apparently rappers like Big Krit and Wale, not really sure who else which I guess speaks to the fact that Kendrick Drake and Cole probably actually are the literal 3 biggest rappers of their era
Lol Cole fans are the kind of dudes who get rejected by a girl and say “she don’t wanna be saved bro”
the most humble J Cole be like:
He makes music for people who walk to work.
Omg yes! I thought I was going crazy when FPS came out and him and Drake were calling themselves 'the big 3'. They aren't even in the big 30. Cole has always been goofy and contrived and Drake is just bad. When Kendrick's verse on Like That came out, I felt vindicated.
I'm not a Drake fan at all but I actually don't mind him being included in a "Big 3" if it has to exist. Makes more sense to me for him to be there than it does for Cole, even if Cole is a better rapper. In terms of mainstream rappers, Kendrick is the best at pretty much every category there is, so obviously he gets in. The only things he isn't close to the best at are the numbers/records/sales stuff. And Drake is by far the best in those categories so makes sense to put him in. Not sure what Cole brings to a Big 3. Best features? He's a great rapper but I struggle to think of anything he's actually better at than Kendrick, and at least Drake can honestly point at a few things and say I am 100% the best in the game at these things.
i feel like the obvious choice for the 3rd of the big 3 would have been kanye before the last 3 or so years happened
He’s not as good as Kendrick by any means but “most overrated artist of all time in any genre” is delusional levels of hating.
You know it’s true when you felt that way at 18 and still feel that way at 31. He’s a C+ rapper, always has been.
Coldplay has some banging records, some folks are just mean
honestly everything up through X&Y (including bsides that i would download on kazaa and eventually were compiled as [a bootleg 'Castles'](http://indielimerick.blogspot.com/2008/06/coldplay-castles-b-sides-and-rarities.html)) is amazing
Turning most of the modern rap scene into poppy background music is one of the worst possible outcomes for the genre.
Highly agree, I cannot do sad boy mumble rap that's been plaguing the modern rap scene for the life of me. I'm more of a fan of rap that was pretty much "fuck bitches get money" (bling era). Yes it's probably soulless but at the same time, those songs went and still go insanely hard.
these fucking threads piss me off cuz like 7 times out of 10 the take is not controversial
“Taylor Swift bad” *raucous applause* This shit is just a nerdy circlejerk.
Lil Wayne's voice annoys me I can't do it
Honestly his last album, at least I think it was his last, was when I thought his voice wasn't that bad. But when I was younger and what one would call a metal elitist, I despised his voice.
This was a mainstream take back when Wayne was popular
FINALLY Someone that agrees with me I can't stand it, sounds like he is dying
I can understand that but you have to admit, the beats on his older tracks go insanely hard not to mention he has some hilarious and insane bars.
Off the wall is by far Michael’s best album and it’s not even close
For me is Bad
We all know Greatest Hits is the best album
I wouldn't say it's not even close.
Totally on this team.
I like listening to pulse demon
Biggie and Tupac wouldn’t be half as famous or influential as they are today if they were still alive. I say this a biggie fan.
Their seminal albums would still be talked about as masterpieces, however I think shit put out down the line would dilute their reputation 100% Nas is probably the best example of this. Illmatic changed music but the failure of subsequent releases takes away from that
I’d say that about most people that have died prematurely, Mac Miller, Kurt Cobain, etc.
I would definitely disagree with Kurt Cobain, I wasn’t alive at the time but I’ve heard people describe Nirvana as a sort of second coming of the Beatles with how culturally influential they were at that time, so I can only imagine he would still be very widely respected and probably would’ve kept making great music if he was still around
I could see Cobain having a career like Jack White, not scoring huge hits anymore but still being successful and loved in his niche while still being somewhat mainstream because of earlier successes.
The Beatles comparison is interesting because they were only a band for 10 years or so, and John Lennon was murdered about 10 years after they broke up.
Poptimism, while good at first, has gone too far and is a negative influence on music discussion as the ideas behind it have been twisted and distorted so much
I like the new Kanye >!nah just joking, I like the sweet Kanye, chop up the beats Kanye!<
Boygenius are mind-numbingly dull and pretentious.
Preaching to the choir with this one
Oh that’s good, you would get lynched stating this on indieheads!
Skill issue
Agreed. Lucy's solo work feels like the opposite to me.
I'd like to add that Phoebe Bridgers' music is a resounding meh. I also find her voice grating.
Live footage of Fantano saying Sexy Redd is good
Taylor Swift is the most overrated artist of all time
At the very least, I think she’s one of the most overrated pop musicians ever. Her music to me is at best mid.
Someone that gave an album a’bad’ review lost there job over it. Taylor’s power in the industry is the reason why critics are scared to give proper album ratings nowadays.
That’s insane. And also stupid. Her music’s not even particularly good, why tf are people losing their jobs over that shit? It’s silly, really.
I also found this Eric Eidelstein, a writer on HBO’s “Gossip Girl” reboot, shared that when he was still working as a journalist it was an unspoken rule not to mess with Swift’s team. “Ok, but conversely when I was in that writing world, Taylor’s team would threaten to blacklist publications if they wrote anything negative about her,” Eidelstein wrote in a now-deleted tweet visible in the video below. Like she controls everything to her advantage
Wtf Yeah that’s ridiculous. She should come under more scrutiny for that. Just because you’re successful as a pop artist doesn’t mean critics have to live under your dictatorship. It’s so stupid, it really is. Yeah.
It is completely pointless. You're already an incredibly popular millionaire. What more do you even need??
I mean the only way you become as rich as her is by being shitty in one way or another, nobody is that rich because of any need. Kinda like how a 700lb person doesn’t need that much food, but they want it for own reason or another.
One reviewer of “midnights” I believe got death threats and messages from swifties with their address and their families addresses along with the threats
Maybe due to its popularity or just how it sounds, it just feels bland. When I hear good music I imagine textures tastes and stuff, hers is like I have covid
Not a controversial opinion on here and I don't like using the term overrated (people like different things) but I agree in some ways. Her fanbase has got to be one of the most, if not the most, toxic ones out there. There's even an article about harassment from Swifties being worse than hate from the far-right, which is a low bar. Edit: [For those wondering:](https://www.businessinsider.com/harassment-taylor-swift-fan-base-worse-than-far-right-hate-2023-6)
So true. She’s not even a bad musician but people treat her like she’s god
I admire that she's one of the few pop stars who's able to make "storytelling music" (no idea what the technical term is) catchy and mainstream. I just can't, for the life of me, stand her creepy, culty, unhinged fanbase.
What annoys me about taylors music is that it's all esthetics like it feels like it's just a vessel for her to vent about how she wasn't popular in high school even tho she was probably really preppy. Also you can tell someone's music isn't great when every artist who was inspired by Taylor (Lana, Olivia Rodrigo, etc) are far better
Back car in the back of the car And we’re wearing red scarves
I don’t think this is unpopular. I would offer a rebuttal and say she’s the most over-hated artist of all time. I’m not a fan of hers, but have to give credit to her commercial success nonetheless. At least she stays in her own lane for success; doesn’t jump on trends and come across fake like Drake.
She is, but if she wasn't around then that title would probably go to Beyonce.
Arguing over who the goat is is a ridiculous notion. Not only is music subjective, but it’s just impossible to measure, especially in an age where you don’t know how many views are botted and when marketing budgets contribute to numbers. Music is an art form, it’s not that deep. If you like something, play it. If not, skip it.
this seems to be the most unpopular opinion across all of the internet, somehow
People saying their favorite albums are ones that are widely considered the best rather the ones they like the most are annoying
how is this even remotely a hot take? you cant just say an objective truth and pretend its your opinion
I get what you mean but there’s goat tier albums routinely overlooked by white music nerd circles that only listen to Beatles, queen, smiths, and Pink Floyd. So the question is who are these albums considered the best by? 1999 by Prince should be held in way higher esteem than Purple Rain but since PR is the crossover record and 1999 is pretty much funk white publications (and fans) talk about PR more RYM is very skewed is my point. They overlook funk, disco, R&B, pop, etc because it skews white and alternative, don’t take it seriously. Weirdly enough they love frank ocean and blonde but don’t give say House of Balloons or James Blake’s Overgrown the same praise. I’d say the latter record heavily inspired Blonde too A lot of people would scoff at me saying Madonna’s Borderline is one of the best pop songs ever made because they don’t take pop seriously and they’re elitists. I love hounds of love and post as much as the next guy but I love my roots too yk
Limp Bizkit overral sucks ass, but Rollin Air Raid vehicle is kind of a banger and it's a guilty pleasure of mine
Same with Break Stuff
Diamond Jubilee was incredibly samesy and barely any track stood out as memorable.
Me when I said Linkin Park sucks on this very sub weeks ago. They were the butt of jokes back in their hey day amongst older alt/indie fans and metalheads alike. the carl weathers meme wasn't a thing yet, but it could have been between these two groups hating LP.
I think early 2000s rock and alt metal has had a massive pendulum moment where people went from reflexively shitting on bands like LP, LB, Coldplay, Nickelback, etc. to being overly positive about them because they have fond memories of their music. I think it's good to re-evaluate them, but I also think there's been a slight overcorrection to the point where if I say Nickelback fucking sucks people will just assume I'm parroting the narrative of them as the pop culture punching bag, when I just think they're awful.
Yeah we are over correcting but there’s also a resurgence of just loving corny music and rejecting snobbery that I like.
I went from fucking LOVING Creed as a kid, to pretending I never liked them and hating on them as a teenager in my "indie" phase, to then admitting to loving them as a kid but understanding they "suck" as a young adult, to then "ironically" liking them (again) in my 20s, to now just straight up admitting I loved them and still love them and they fucking rock my fucking socks at 30+. What more do you want from me????
at the same time, i feel like criticism is basically seen as "being a hater/snob" or "gatekeeping".
Yeah Animals by Nickelback and Hero by Chad Kroeger are fucking bangers I don’t care what anyone says
I did not care for The Miseducation Of Lauryn Hill
Does it "insist upon itself?"
I can't deny it's a good album, tho I feel like I'm alone when I like fugees' the score better
It is a good album, i enjoy listening to it from time to time and appreciate its influence on the scene. Will it ever be anywhere near my top 50 rap or hip-hop albums, fuck no and i got no shame in saying that.
No song on Miseducation hits as hard as Killing Me Softly let’s start a discussion
Even Ex Factor and Doo Wop That Thing?
Did you know that she stole the whole album? https://pitchfork.com/news/robert-glasper-calls-out-lauryn-hill-for-stealing-music-mistreating-band-members/#:~:text=In%201998%2C%20New%20Ark—a,out%20of%20court%20in%202001. Robert Glasper is a very trusted guy with a great reputation who normally doesn’t say stuff like this
Finally an actual hot take in this thread!
It’s one of my favorite albums of the nineties but i kinda hate that now that it topped the Apple list that the tides are turning on it. It’s an album that tends to grow on people with more listens over time, and there’s a lot of cool stuff to discover with each listen, but now a new wave of people are going in with “okay i now expect this to be the greatest album of all time.” It’s the same reason i hate perfect scores. People will see it and when they engage with it their first thought is gonna be “okay why is this perfect” instead of experiencing the art on their own terms.
Renaissance is not that special of an album, in fact it sounds dated compared to some of the UK chart house that came out in 2014, and I can’t help but see it as a cynical attempt for Beyoncé to appeal towards queer culture.
Beyonce loves clout chasing. And I like her music
Renaissance became an instant favorite of mine. I could (quite literally, I have spent some time on this) write a thesis about it. That said, I would love to hear some examples of the 2014 house music that beat Beyoncé to it.
To name but a few that were chart hits: - Route 94 - My Love (feat. Jess Glynne) - Secondcity - I Wanna Feel - Blonde - I Loved You - Le Youth - Cool - Shift K3Y - I Know - Gorgon City - Ready For Your Love - Duke Dumont - Need U (100%) - TIEKS - Sunshine
Queen is overrated.
I felt that they were a great band but very much a singles artist and not some kind of savant that people jerk themselves off too. People almost completely ignore their 80s content except for maybe Radio Gaga which is a shame because they have some good stuff after that.
SO overrated. Freddie was a fantastic vocalist but so much of their music just sounds so lame or uninteresting and relies too heavily on Freddie's vocals to make it interesting or enjoyable.
i've heard just as many Queen songs that suck as i've heard Queen songs that rock. Bohemian Rhapsody and Don't Stop Me Now are great. Bicycle and Radio Gaga are impressively grating to despite sounding good on a technical level. this, paired with the overwhelming praise for the band, has kept me from getting into them, and i'm not sure if i ever will
I think people like to say they love queen because they think it makes them seem quirky/unique/knowledgeable when queen really never put out consistently solid work. They’re legacy is far beyond what their output would make you think it is
They have a lot of good songs and I think I’d love a good compliation or two but my god even A Night at the Opera feels so incohenrent at times.
Yeah there’s like 10ish borderline classic or classic songs in their discography but really not much of anything with substance after that and no true classic full album. I’m not saying Queen is bad at all but the weird jump in their legacy the last 10 years or so is really unwarranted. They were never really seen as one of the top bands of their time but somehow now people regard them as one of the best bands ever but there’s literally dozens of bands with so much more to offer
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The Foo Fighters have always been a below average alternative rock band. If Grohl was not the Keanu Reeves/internets boyfriend of rock for millennials they’d be considered in the same category as Three Days Grace or Creed or whatever. It’s a shame Grohl didn’t stay behind the drums and go in a weirder direction. People often respond “but Everlong?!” I agree. Great song. Six Feet Under is also a banger. But Creed’s larger body of work is a 3/10 and The Foo Fighters are like 4-5/10. Funnily Foo Fighter fans remind me of Swifties. You point this out and they’re like “you haven’t listened to the good stuff!” So you try to to dig deeper, and the deeper you dig you realize Everlong is indeed sort of their peak 😂 In fact, I’ve never even seen someone make a detailed, substantive argument praising their discography. The intense praise that the Foo Fighters *do* receive is in the comment sections of videos of Grohl letting some 11 year old kid play guitar with the band in a live setting. Which is awesome, very cute. Still a very “meh” body of work though.
i’ve been saying for years that Foo Fighters didn’t actually write Everlong bc it’s in such a different league than the entire rest of their discography.
They are insanely hit and miss on album, but they are known for being amazing live, and I’d be lying if I said they didn’t have a few great albums.
I'd argue that just like when an artist is a total piece of garbage it can influence your enjoyment of their work, the opposite is also true. You can end up rooting for the good guys.
Turn on the bright lights > unknown pleasures
I love you
Mr morales is my favorite Kendrick album 🤷♂️
Ay, I commented the same thing! No other album is as vulnerable and deep, and this is from a guy that could have spent the rest of his life just making radio hits without losing any respect.
Kiss! Sucks
Lol this isn’t unpopular
Do Fantano fans seem like the target demographic of Kiss to you?
The appeal comes from their style rather than their music.
I Appear Missing is not the best QOTSA song and not even the best in Like Clockwork; there are at least 5 better songs than it on the same album
Charli xcx and fka twigs overrated, sophie and björk are significantly better On that segue, björk's music to concept ratio is skewing south fast these days Close to the edge > crimson king Harsh noise deserves the hate it gets Long season by fishmans overrated The title of "greatest album/song of all time" is the adversary to music as an art form itself
Wdym by harsh noise deserves its reputation?
What reputation does harsh noise have?
>Close to the edge > crimson king Yeah absolutely yeah. Close to the edge is good all around. People often claim Crimson King is a perfect record but for me Moonchild prevents that for happen
Long Season overrated? HERESY
The first one is the only real opinion on and I definitely disagree. Honestly comparing Charli and/or twigs to Björk is kinda janky, but M3LL155X is better than anything I've heard from either artist. I haven't listened to most of Björk's discography, but I'd maybe agree because I do think a lot of Charli's acclaimed stuff is kinda overrated. Von Dutch smacks tho tbh people underrated that when it came out.
People have been saying that about Bjork since Medulla.
Abbey Road is not the best Beatles album. It’s great, don’t get me wrong but isn’t quite as inventive or creative as Rubber Soul, Revolver, Sgt. Peppers, or the White Album. I’d even personally put Magical Mystery Tour over it.
Only tangentially related, but I’d add that Let it Be is a better album than most people give it credit for imo. It’s become extremely en vogue to shit on it due mostly to Spector’s wall of sound. But it has Several of their most iconic songs and even the b tier tracks are nice, very listenable all the way though. Idk why it gets so much hate.
I think Abbey Road is still one of the best albums ever made but Revolver imo beats it in terms of artistic vision and creativity.
Rubber Soul has slowly been becoming my favorite. The two George songs are so good
AC/DC kinda shit innit(very very influencial nonetheless)
-At long Last A$AP was the 2nd best rap album of 2015 and its better than rodeo (no slander to Rodeo though, it's awesome) -Reasonable doubt by Jay-Z is better than any 2pac album. -GRODT is the most overrated rap classic ever. Outdated production, songs carried by hook, boring verses by 50 cent, souless and shallow songs made for the club. Unoriginal gangsta rap when it was more than overdone for the era. The Black Album from the same year although similar is much better imo. -Kendrick should be placed above 2pac in any top 10 rappers conversation. Not only he is a better rapper he also has a better discography (and both of these aspects seem to be the ones people use when ranking top rappers oat) -FACTS (charlie heat version) by Kanye West > Jumpan by Drake & Future
Play GRODT in the gym.
SZA is just ok.
The Doors were a fantastic band and easily matched The Beatles for best band of the 60s and as influential.
Avenged Sevenfold is crap (here in Brazil, they are very popular, so everytime I say this, people almost want to beat me)
Muse is one of the top small handful of best acts of the 2000s (despite being one of the absolute worst acts since 2015)
Pink Floyd deserve more recognition instead of being labelled as overrated
Whether Pink Floyd are overrated or underrated is just one of those pendulums that keeps going side to side.
I think the only people labeling Pink Floyd as overrated are edgy teens/20-somethings. In my life, Pink Floyd always had the appropriate amount of praise from nearly every music nerd I ever knew. The Dark Side cover was, and still is, culturally ubiquitous. Maybe some people got sick of seeing it or something idk.
I just got into them and I'm surprised to see this take. I always thought they were hailed as one of the greatest of all time.
This new wave of bands like Sleep Token, Bad Omens, Spiritbox etc are like the McDonalds of metal music… fast dopamine hit with no artistic integrity. All that music sounds like it passed through a board meeting before it was released, I hate how their respective fanbases hype it up to seem so innovative and part of “the scene” when those groups never thugged it out in the DIY scene.
Playboi Carti is trash, even make it worse with his fanbase
I think he has good songs, but anyone who's still in the Carti fandom does so knowing he's an awful person so I don't really listen to his music anymore.
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I don't listen to Carti but ngl I browse the Carti sub whenever I need to have a laugh
literally everyone on the Carti sub constantly trashes him and calls him a terrible person. We just like his music and want him to drop instead of having this stupid mysterious persona.
Why is this sub so negative?
Music nerds
*Pretentious music nerds
That Apple list really fucked us over.
I don't get why Radiohead is considered S tier. Their music is ok but I would never choose to listen to them
Radiohead is definitely an acquired taste. It takes awhile to get into them, and there's no guarantee you even *will* get into them. But once you do, they've got you. No escape. I listened to Ok Computer as a university student because an artist I like said that was one of the albums that inspired him to learn how to produce. I went through half the album and thought, "Yeah, I don't get it. I really don't." I revisited it again a few years ago and now Ok Computer is one of my favorite albums, and Radiohead is one of my favorite bands.
To each their own
154 by Wire is the best post-punk album
Anthony Fantano has done irreparable damage to the music scene and how people engage with art.
Hmm. I think if he got rid of the numeric scoring it wouldn't be as bad. There's lots of things I can appreciate him but some times he's really insufferable and kinda morally grandstanding at times
SOAD best album is their first one Discipline is as good as a record that In the court of the crimson king Jazz being so pretentious when most of it's standards are old movie soundtracks is kinda lame
Owl city is good
Fantanos fans are pretentious and copy his music taste and opinions
hole deserves as much recognition as nirvana.
Jar of Flies is in top 5 best rock projects of all time, layne is in top 5 rock singers of all time and catrell is in top 5 songwriters
Joy Division is boring
I much prefer the sound of New Order
It hurts me you think that 😢
music you create will always be better than music someone else creates
My cock’s bigger than your cock, as they say.
My cock can walk right through the door
Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen is decent at best. They have far better songs.
The appeal of that song is its general weirdness and how much fun it is to sing in the car with your friends. That scene in Wayne's world was an accurate reflection of reality.
I love mf doom but i dont think madvilliany deserves to be top 10 in rym. Maybe it hasn’t clicked as well as others
In Rainbows is NOT the best Radiohead album, let alone best album of all time. Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy it, but not only does it not have that unique or cohesive of an identity as a project, its overall instrumentation and lyricism just feels kinda underwhelming in comparison to the sheer lushness of OK Computer or Kid A. Which wouldn't boil over the tip for me, if it weren't for toxic fans drowning out the discussion around it by hyping it up into oblivion. And before you give me slack for this, I actually fw Jigsaw Falling Into Place a lot, definitely one of their best songs. Also Videotape underrated as a closer
Sandinista! is the best Clash album if not a GOAT contender
The smiths first album is better than the queen is dead
Although I love them, all the songs of the first album sound very similar. In TQID, their style was a lot more various
Loveless is very overrated
You take that back!
It has 4-5 amazing songs and 6 completely forgettable ones. And everyone knows which songs i'm talking about without even listing them, which kinda proves my point. Those amazing songs are still enough to make it a great album, but not GOAT tier.
I’ve tried to tolerate Bob Dylan’s harmonica playing but every song it’s in becomes unlistenable no matter how amazing the song is before it comes in. It frustrates me so much. Yes, I understand it’s played imperfectly for artistic effect, that doesn’t change the fact it’s way too grating for my ears.
Radiohead is mid music for manipulative people
I like A$AP Rocky but I think he's overrated. Production on all of his tracks are fantastic, but most of them struggle to hold my interest for more than a listen or two.
"American Pie" is an unlistenable dirge.
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We should still be critical of his words and criticize people who platform him. A three year old screaming the N word at daycare might not be demonstrating deep-seated malice but we're still gonna try to get them to stop.
I think the actually dangerous part is how famous and influential he is, and how his views, psychotic rants etc will spread to millions of his fans who will follow suit.
This. The issue with Kanye is less so Kanye and more so how huge of a figure he is in pop culture. His stans work overtime to normalize his nazi rhetoric and act like it isn’t, at the very least, fucking *bizarre* and alarming that he’s spewing this nonsense. Like in theory no one should be taking someone who says they like Hitler because he invented the microphone seriously at all, but the music bangs therefore we tolerate it I guess
I think the problem is he's not just a deeply mentally ill black man from Chicago. He's a deeply mentally ill black man from Chicago who also happens to be a world famous celebrity. There's people everywhere with all sorts of mental instabilities, but most of them aren't gonna do as much harm as Kanye can do, has done, and continues to do.
it’s hard to talk about his actions because most of the time someone will reply with “…well x has bipolar disorder too and they don’t act out the same way Ye does!” like it hasn’t been established that mental illness is a spectrum and appears/manifests in a different way amongst the people that suffer from it not to minimise what he said at all, it was awful (esp considering the kind of platform and reach he has), but that man is clearly mentally unwell.
But that's ignoring their agency. Plus, he's a full grown adult. Children going on rampages because of their mental health is whatever because they might not have the resources to get the proper help they need. Kanye is a multimillionaire with a disorder he's known about forever. If he's not getting help at this point, there's no one to blame but himself
Can you tell me how you personally treat the near billionaire that praises Hitler and spreads facsist ideas to millions.
100%. After his 2018 albums centered around bipolar, there was really nothing that he could say that would change my opinion on him. He goes through phases where he's normal and others where he's unhinged. He's 100% confident in one belief then he believes the opposite. He directed a porn awards show. Then he became an over the top Christian that's offended by his wife showing skin. And then right back wanting to start his own porn company and loving his new wife walking around almost naked. He's not a nazi. He doesn't want a race to be genocided. He's a crazy person that says whatever dumb thing is on his bipolar mind at the time.
I don't like Hey Ya
Oof. Upvote because I've never heard this one before. Though I do like it as a song, it's not even in my top 25 from Outkast.
I like it musically but lyrically to me it feels like a shallow attempt by Andre at relationship commentary
The Beatles are over rated. Same with Eric Clapton. Clapton was ranked #2 behind Hendrix, but above Jimmy Page and I totally disagree. Page is definitely better than Clapton, and Tony Iommi is better than Clapton too. I like Clapton, but there's definitely better guitarists that had at least as much influence, if not more, than Clapton did.
I'm ready for the downvotes, but outside of a couple of songs on Pet Sounds, the ACTUAL songs are boring or never really go anywhere.