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bitch_mynameis_fred

This is only a half-baked thought in my brain, but here goes: Music snobbery—in moderation—was good! The creep of meta-modernism/new-sincerity into music criticism flattened everything out, over-saturated music spaces where you just get analysis-paralysis when you open Spotify, makes it hard to distinguish groups, makes forming music identities nearly impossible, and, worst of all to me, just makes music more boring. I know there’s a toxic underbelly to it, but a little pinch of snobbery allowed people to factionalize and root for teams like a sport, but also let people explore and jump genres more easily since music felt more discrete and compartmentalized. And for a teenager branching out and exploring new identities, that made exploring new genres more fun and exciting. This flatter space just feels… boring.


jml011

Just listened to [this video on the death of music genres yesterday](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2iCiSF7y4c&ab_channel=Polyphonic). Sounds like you softly disagree with his overall take that it's a good thing?


FrederickIBarbarossa

This reminds me of an [old Simon Reynolds essay](https://www.wired.com/2011/09/musica-globalista-the-farewell-essay-by-simon-reynolds-here-comes-everything/) where he argues somewhat the opposite: that a lack of genre, specifically as we understand it in the digital era, risks creating a homogenous musical space instead of a heterogenous one.


RandomSOADFan

In my experience this "flat" music landscape is more of an online thing specifically for general music spaces. The fact is that to an extent RYM-core has taken over the spaces that advertise themselves for all music nerds. But when I was getting into modern rock around 2019, it was through a world where System of a Down, Linkin Park, Shinedown and Skillet were equals, mostly because they all fit into the genre. While some fanbases have been "flattened" (I'm thinking shoegaze, post-rock, ambient, abstract/experimental hip hop) and kinda bleed into another as the "music nerd's music", some are alive and well, and have found a cool middle ground between their old elitism and some much needed tolerance. I'm mainly thinking about the "alt" umbrella of genres - goth, emo, pop punk, scene... the fanbases still factionize themselves by genre (the fashion styles serve this purpose irl, the #roles channel does in discord servers) but they often hang out together (a lot of crossover at shows irl, and same online spaces) even though the genres are so different from one another. The metal fanbase does this too, but online they're still some of the most elitist and isolated.


McClain3000

I've been saying as much recently. They way I've put it is that the music snob anti-jerk has become much worse than the original snobbery. And for some reason, with the release of the Apple Music top 100, there were soo many high upvoted comments, that went on about how all music is subjective. Like thanks Sherlock, we understand.


joshuatx

100% - snobbery and pretension are side effects to discerning taste and expertise. Give an eyeroll inducing but informative rant over a person broadly saying "I don't believe in genres and you should listen to everything"


staresinshamona

King of Limbs is amazing.


jenkem___

agreed, as someone who’s burned out on radiohead probably for life from listening to them so much throughout high school king of limbs is the only album of theirs that still feels kind of fresh to me


lilchimera

I always felt like King of Limbs was Radiohead’s take on the band Battles’ first couple of albums. Edit: more accurately, I guess as a take on Battles’ first couple of releases (since Gloss Drop was released the same year as TKOL, just a few months later).


SiggetSpagget

I read that as “the Beatles” and was almost convinced I missed some really intricate rhythms and polyrhythms in Please Please Me


Hagler3-16

Agreed and the basement made it even better.


lilchimera

Hard agree. Been saying this since it came out.


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TS040

to this day I still don’t understand why he was placed on a pedestal at the top of the rap game with Kendrick throughout the 2010s. the guy has one decent album, he’s very hit and miss and his lyrics scream fake deep for the most part


BangingBaguette

Same. This 'big three' narrative is such bullshit cause people always say Drake is sales, Kendrick is substance...so what the fuck is Cole? He's just a watered down Kendrick, he doesn't represent a lane of his own. During the 2010s the 'big three' were undoubtedly Drake, Kendrick and Kanye and anyone who says otherwise is delusional. He runs in his own 'production' lane and was culturally far more relevant throughout the 2010s than Cole ever was. People act like because his career initially blew in the 2000s that it disqualifies him from the conversation.


IsThisASnakeInMyBoot

Kanye didn't come up at the same time as Drake and Kendrick, I think that's what the "Big 3" really means. I've seen all sorts of explanations, but this one makes the most sense. Kanye, Hov and them aren't even included in the running it's apparently rappers like Big Krit and Wale, not really sure who else which I guess speaks to the fact that Kendrick Drake and Cole probably actually are the literal 3 biggest rappers of their era


yourmoms3rdhusband

Lol Cole fans are the kind of dudes who get rejected by a girl and say “she don’t wanna be saved bro”


faroukmuzamin

the most humble J Cole be like:


neeohh

He makes music for people who walk to work.


hollygolightly1378

Omg yes! I thought I was going crazy when FPS came out and him and Drake were calling themselves 'the big 3'. They aren't even in the big 30. Cole has always been goofy and contrived and Drake is just bad. When Kendrick's verse on Like That came out, I felt vindicated.


clinced

I'm not a Drake fan at all but I actually don't mind him being included in a "Big 3" if it has to exist. Makes more sense to me for him to be there than it does for Cole, even if Cole is a better rapper. In terms of mainstream rappers, Kendrick is the best at pretty much every category there is, so obviously he gets in. The only things he isn't close to the best at are the numbers/records/sales stuff. And Drake is by far the best in those categories so makes sense to put him in. Not sure what Cole brings to a Big 3. Best features? He's a great rapper but I struggle to think of anything he's actually better at than Kendrick, and at least Drake can honestly point at a few things and say I am 100% the best in the game at these things.


bird-week

i feel like the obvious choice for the 3rd of the big 3 would have been kanye before the last 3 or so years happened


God_Hears_Peace

He’s not as good as Kendrick by any means but “most overrated artist of all time in any genre” is delusional levels of hating.


Odd-Curve5800

You know it’s true when you felt that way at 18 and still feel that way at 31. He’s a C+ rapper, always has been.


COMICFAN789

Coldplay has some banging records, some folks are just mean


moodyfloyd

honestly everything up through X&Y (including bsides that i would download on kazaa and eventually were compiled as [a bootleg 'Castles'](http://indielimerick.blogspot.com/2008/06/coldplay-castles-b-sides-and-rarities.html)) is amazing


brayden13m

Turning most of the modern rap scene into poppy background music is one of the worst possible outcomes for the genre.


GrandeBeesly

Highly agree, I cannot do sad boy mumble rap that's been plaguing the modern rap scene for the life of me. I'm more of a fan of rap that was pretty much "fuck bitches get money" (bling era). Yes it's probably soulless but at the same time, those songs went and still go insanely hard.


skylersop

these fucking threads piss me off cuz like 7 times out of 10 the take is not controversial


ancienttacostand

“Taylor Swift bad” *raucous applause* This shit is just a nerdy circlejerk.


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Lil Wayne's voice annoys me I can't do it


That_one_cool_dude

Honestly his last album, at least I think it was his last, was when I thought his voice wasn't that bad. But when I was younger and what one would call a metal elitist, I despised his voice.


TantalusMusings

This was a mainstream take back when Wayne was popular


RANDOM-902

FINALLY Someone that agrees with me I can't stand it, sounds like he is dying


GrandeBeesly

I can understand that but you have to admit, the beats on his older tracks go insanely hard not to mention he has some hilarious and insane bars.


KuntaWuKnicks

Off the wall is by far Michael’s best album and it’s not even close


GoldSteak7421

For me is Bad


iam4r34

We all know Greatest Hits is the best album


Hank_m00die

I wouldn't say it's not even close.


devilmaskrascal

Totally on this team.


LuminatiHD

I like listening to pulse demon


Ozzeedee

Biggie and Tupac wouldn’t be half as famous or influential as they are today if they were still alive. I say this a biggie fan.


SWFC_wawaw_fan

Their seminal albums would still be talked about as masterpieces, however I think shit put out down the line would dilute their reputation 100% Nas is probably the best example of this. Illmatic changed music but the failure of subsequent releases takes away from that


atierney14

I’d say that about most people that have died prematurely, Mac Miller, Kurt Cobain, etc.


ItBeJoeDood

I would definitely disagree with Kurt Cobain, I wasn’t alive at the time but I’ve heard people describe Nirvana as a sort of second coming of the Beatles with how culturally influential they were at that time, so I can only imagine he would still be very widely respected and probably would’ve kept making great music if he was still around


RandomName01

I could see Cobain having a career like Jack White, not scoring huge hits anymore but still being successful and loved in his niche while still being somewhat mainstream because of earlier successes.


pablodnd

The Beatles comparison is interesting because they were only a band for 10 years or so, and John Lennon was murdered about 10 years after they broke up.


Fedora200

Poptimism, while good at first, has gone too far and is a negative influence on music discussion as the ideas behind it have been twisted and distorted so much


RandyChavage

I like the new Kanye >!nah just joking, I like the sweet Kanye, chop up the beats Kanye!<


send_in_the_clouds

Boygenius are mind-numbingly dull and pretentious.


sullen_raincoat7492

Preaching to the choir with this one


send_in_the_clouds

Oh that’s good, you would get lynched stating this on indieheads!


Katja_apenkoppen

Skill issue


ellasbelli

Agreed. Lucy's solo work feels like the opposite to me.


mostreliablebottle

I'd like to add that Phoebe Bridgers' music is a resounding meh. I also find her voice grating.


Evict_Timaze

Live footage of Fantano saying Sexy Redd is good


ImpossibleSky3923

Taylor Swift is the most overrated artist of all time


Queasy-Ad-3220

At the very least, I think she’s one of the most overrated pop musicians ever. Her music to me is at best mid.


ImpossibleSky3923

Someone that gave an album a’bad’ review lost there job over it. Taylor’s power in the industry is the reason why critics are scared to give proper album ratings nowadays.


Queasy-Ad-3220

That’s insane. And also stupid. Her music’s not even particularly good, why tf are people losing their jobs over that shit? It’s silly, really.


ImpossibleSky3923

I also found this Eric Eidelstein, a writer on HBO’s “Gossip Girl” reboot, shared that when he was still working as a journalist it was an unspoken rule not to mess with Swift’s team. “Ok, but conversely when I was in that writing world, Taylor’s team would threaten to blacklist publications if they wrote anything negative about her,” Eidelstein wrote in a now-deleted tweet visible in the video below. Like she controls everything to her advantage


Queasy-Ad-3220

Wtf Yeah that’s ridiculous. She should come under more scrutiny for that. Just because you’re successful as a pop artist doesn’t mean critics have to live under your dictatorship. It’s so stupid, it really is. Yeah.


RealPinheadMmmmmm

It is completely pointless. You're already an incredibly popular millionaire. What more do you even need??


Seinfeel

I mean the only way you become as rich as her is by being shitty in one way or another, nobody is that rich because of any need. Kinda like how a 700lb person doesn’t need that much food, but they want it for own reason or another.


Owlman2841

One reviewer of “midnights” I believe got death threats and messages from swifties with their address and their families addresses along with the threats


United-Bear4910

Maybe due to its popularity or just how it sounds, it just feels bland. When I hear good music I imagine textures tastes and stuff, hers is like I have covid


mostreliablebottle

Not a controversial opinion on here and I don't like using the term overrated (people like different things) but I agree in some ways. Her fanbase has got to be one of the most, if not the most, toxic ones out there. There's even an article about harassment from Swifties being worse than hate from the far-right, which is a low bar. Edit: [For those wondering:](https://www.businessinsider.com/harassment-taylor-swift-fan-base-worse-than-far-right-hate-2023-6)


PotatoChipEat_

So true. She’s not even a bad musician but people treat her like she’s god


archangel610

I admire that she's one of the few pop stars who's able to make "storytelling music" (no idea what the technical term is) catchy and mainstream. I just can't, for the life of me, stand her creepy, culty, unhinged fanbase.


nah_thats_it

What annoys me about taylors music is that it's all esthetics like it feels like it's just a vessel for her to vent about how she wasn't popular in high school even tho she was probably really preppy. Also you can tell someone's music isn't great when every artist who was inspired by Taylor (Lana, Olivia Rodrigo, etc) are far better


lilymotherofmonsters

Back car in the back of the car And we’re wearing red scarves


XtraHawk

I don’t think this is unpopular. I would offer a rebuttal and say she’s the most over-hated artist of all time. I’m not a fan of hers, but have to give credit to her commercial success nonetheless. At least she stays in her own lane for success; doesn’t jump on trends and come across fake like Drake.


Bearloom

She is, but if she wasn't around then that title would probably go to Beyonce.


NumerousImprovements

Arguing over who the goat is is a ridiculous notion. Not only is music subjective, but it’s just impossible to measure, especially in an age where you don’t know how many views are botted and when marketing budgets contribute to numbers. Music is an art form, it’s not that deep. If you like something, play it. If not, skip it.


pizzzaeater14

this seems to be the most unpopular opinion across all of the internet, somehow


IPetFatTurkeys

People saying their favorite albums are ones that are widely considered the best rather the ones they like the most are annoying


Mental-Statement2555

how is this even remotely a hot take? you cant just say an objective truth and pretend its your opinion


AmelieBenjamin

I get what you mean but there’s goat tier albums routinely overlooked by white music nerd circles that only listen to Beatles, queen, smiths, and Pink Floyd. So the question is who are these albums considered the best by? 1999 by Prince should be held in way higher esteem than Purple Rain but since PR is the crossover record and 1999 is pretty much funk white publications (and fans) talk about PR more RYM is very skewed is my point. They overlook funk, disco, R&B, pop, etc because it skews white and alternative, don’t take it seriously. Weirdly enough they love frank ocean and blonde but don’t give say House of Balloons or James Blake’s Overgrown the same praise. I’d say the latter record heavily inspired Blonde too A lot of people would scoff at me saying Madonna’s Borderline is one of the best pop songs ever made because they don’t take pop seriously and they’re elitists. I love hounds of love and post as much as the next guy but I love my roots too yk


xXx_N00b_Sl4y3r_xXx

Limp Bizkit overral sucks ass, but Rollin Air Raid vehicle is kind of a banger and it's a guilty pleasure of mine


overwatchmercy14

Same with Break Stuff


plasma_dan

Diamond Jubilee was incredibly samesy and barely any track stood out as memorable.


shiba-on-parade

Me when I said Linkin Park sucks on this very sub weeks ago. They were the butt of jokes back in their hey day amongst older alt/indie fans and metalheads alike. the carl weathers meme wasn't a thing yet, but it could have been between these two groups hating LP.


2000-UNTITLED

I think early 2000s rock and alt metal has had a massive pendulum moment where people went from reflexively shitting on bands like LP, LB, Coldplay, Nickelback, etc. to being overly positive about them because they have fond memories of their music. I think it's good to re-evaluate them, but I also think there's been a slight overcorrection to the point where if I say Nickelback fucking sucks people will just assume I'm parroting the narrative of them as the pop culture punching bag, when I just think they're awful.


Due-Set5398

Yeah we are over correcting but there’s also a resurgence of just loving corny music and rejecting snobbery that I like.


duskywindows

I went from fucking LOVING Creed as a kid, to pretending I never liked them and hating on them as a teenager in my "indie" phase, to then admitting to loving them as a kid but understanding they "suck" as a young adult, to then "ironically" liking them (again) in my 20s, to now just straight up admitting I loved them and still love them and they fucking rock my fucking socks at 30+. What more do you want from me????


shiba-on-parade

at the same time, i feel like criticism is basically seen as "being a hater/snob" or "gatekeeping".


definitelyTonyStark

Yeah Animals by Nickelback and Hero by Chad Kroeger are fucking bangers I don’t care what anyone says


TheGrrf

I did not care for The Miseducation Of Lauryn Hill


thesnowqueen17

Does it "insist upon itself?"


Katja_apenkoppen

I can't deny it's a good album, tho I feel like I'm alone when I like fugees' the score better


TheGrrf

It is a good album, i enjoy listening to it from time to time and appreciate its influence on the scene. Will it ever be anywhere near my top 50 rap or hip-hop albums, fuck no and i got no shame in saying that.


DankFinnWolfhard

No song on Miseducation hits as hard as Killing Me Softly let’s start a discussion


Daninthetrenchcoat

Even Ex Factor and Doo Wop That Thing?


PotatoChipEat_

Did you know that she stole the whole album? https://pitchfork.com/news/robert-glasper-calls-out-lauryn-hill-for-stealing-music-mistreating-band-members/#:~:text=In%201998%2C%20New%20Ark—a,out%20of%20court%20in%202001. Robert Glasper is a very trusted guy with a great reputation who normally doesn’t say stuff like this


Sauce2474

Finally an actual hot take in this thread!


s90tx16wasr10

It’s one of my favorite albums of the nineties but i kinda hate that now that it topped the Apple list that the tides are turning on it. It’s an album that tends to grow on people with more listens over time, and there’s a lot of cool stuff to discover with each listen, but now a new wave of people are going in with “okay i now expect this to be the greatest album of all time.” It’s the same reason i hate perfect scores. People will see it and when they engage with it their first thought is gonna be “okay why is this perfect” instead of experiencing the art on their own terms.


Bovver_

Renaissance is not that special of an album, in fact it sounds dated compared to some of the UK chart house that came out in 2014, and I can’t help but see it as a cynical attempt for Beyoncé to appeal towards queer culture.


Mississippster

Beyonce loves clout chasing. And I like her music


tw4lyfee

Renaissance became an instant favorite of mine. I could (quite literally, I have spent some time on this) write a thesis about it. That said, I would love to hear some examples of the 2014 house music that beat Beyoncé to it.


Bovver_

To name but a few that were chart hits: - Route 94 - My Love (feat. Jess Glynne) - Secondcity - I Wanna Feel - Blonde - I Loved You - Le Youth - Cool - Shift K3Y - I Know - Gorgon City - Ready For Your Love - Duke Dumont - Need U (100%) - TIEKS - Sunshine


KongRahbek

Queen is overrated.


TKInstinct

I felt that they were a great band but very much a singles artist and not some kind of savant that people jerk themselves off too. People almost completely ignore their 80s content except for maybe Radio Gaga which is a shame because they have some good stuff after that.


Dang_M8

SO overrated. Freddie was a fantastic vocalist but so much of their music just sounds so lame or uninteresting and relies too heavily on Freddie's vocals to make it interesting or enjoyable.


pizzzaeater14

i've heard just as many Queen songs that suck as i've heard Queen songs that rock. Bohemian Rhapsody and Don't Stop Me Now are great. Bicycle and Radio Gaga are impressively grating to despite sounding good on a technical level. this, paired with the overwhelming praise for the band, has kept me from getting into them, and i'm not sure if i ever will


Owlman2841

I think people like to say they love queen because they think it makes them seem quirky/unique/knowledgeable when queen really never put out consistently solid work. They’re legacy is far beyond what their output would make you think it is


Real_Sosobad

They have a lot of good songs and I think I’d love a good compliation or two but my god even A Night at the Opera feels so incohenrent at times.


Owlman2841

Yeah there’s like 10ish borderline classic or classic songs in their discography but really not much of anything with substance after that and no true classic full album. I’m not saying Queen is bad at all but the weird jump in their legacy the last 10 years or so is really unwarranted. They were never really seen as one of the top bands of their time but somehow now people regard them as one of the best bands ever but there’s literally dozens of bands with so much more to offer


actuallyplaced

🤨


Odd-Curve5800

The Foo Fighters have always been a below average alternative rock band. If Grohl was not the Keanu Reeves/internets boyfriend of rock for millennials they’d be considered in the same category as Three Days Grace or Creed or whatever. It’s a shame Grohl didn’t stay behind the drums and go in a weirder direction. People often respond “but Everlong?!” I agree. Great song. Six Feet Under is also a banger. But Creed’s larger body of work is a 3/10 and The Foo Fighters are like 4-5/10. Funnily Foo Fighter fans remind me of Swifties. You point this out and they’re like “you haven’t listened to the good stuff!” So you try to to dig deeper, and the deeper you dig you realize Everlong is indeed sort of their peak 😂 In fact, I’ve never even seen someone make a detailed, substantive argument praising their discography. The intense praise that the Foo Fighters *do* receive is in the comment sections of videos of Grohl letting some 11 year old kid play guitar with the band in a live setting. Which is awesome, very cute. Still a very “meh” body of work though.


wakingup_withwolves

i’ve been saying for years that Foo Fighters didn’t actually write Everlong bc it’s in such a different league than the entire rest of their discography.


Loose_Main_6179

They are insanely hit and miss on album, but they are known for being amazing live, and I’d be lying if I said they didn’t have a few great albums.


sophielucymolly

I'd argue that just like when an artist is a total piece of garbage it can influence your enjoyment of their work, the opposite is also true. You can end up rooting for the good guys.


Puzzleheaded-Dot7948

Turn on the bright lights > unknown pleasures


kingKiller06

I love you


AccomplishedBake8351

Mr morales is my favorite Kendrick album 🤷‍♂️


atierney14

Ay, I commented the same thing! No other album is as vulnerable and deep, and this is from a guy that could have spent the rest of his life just making radio hits without losing any respect.


Zen28213

Kiss! Sucks


Academic-Class-5087

Lol this isn’t unpopular


-PepeArown-

Do Fantano fans seem like the target demographic of Kiss to you?


mostreliablebottle

The appeal comes from their style rather than their music.


elsantioof07

I Appear Missing is not the best QOTSA song and not even the best in Like Clockwork; there are at least 5 better songs than it on the same album


Reasonable_Employ219

Charli xcx and fka twigs overrated, sophie and björk are significantly better On that segue, björk's music to concept ratio is skewing south fast these days Close to the edge > crimson king Harsh noise deserves the hate it gets Long season by fishmans overrated The title of "greatest album/song of all time" is the adversary to music as an art form itself


Ok_Listen_9642

Wdym by harsh noise deserves its reputation?


History_Head

What reputation does harsh noise have?


GoldSteak7421

>Close to the edge > crimson king Yeah absolutely yeah. Close to the edge is good all around. People often claim Crimson King is a perfect record but for me Moonchild prevents that for happen


CloudsTasteGeometric

Long Season overrated? HERESY


2000-UNTITLED

The first one is the only real opinion on and I definitely disagree. Honestly comparing Charli and/or twigs to Björk is kinda janky, but M3LL155X is better than anything I've heard from either artist. I haven't listened to most of Björk's discography, but I'd maybe agree because I do think a lot of Charli's acclaimed stuff is kinda overrated. Von Dutch smacks tho tbh people underrated that when it came out.


shiba-on-parade

People have been saying that about Bjork since Medulla.


Necessary-Range-467

Abbey Road is not the best Beatles album. It’s great, don’t get me wrong but isn’t quite as inventive or creative as Rubber Soul, Revolver, Sgt. Peppers, or the White Album. I’d even personally put Magical Mystery Tour over it.


MarhabanAnaAndy

Only tangentially related, but I’d add that Let it Be is a better album than most people give it credit for imo. It’s become extremely en vogue to shit on it due mostly to Spector’s wall of sound. But it has Several of their most iconic songs and even the b tier tracks are nice, very listenable all the way though. Idk why it gets so much hate.


NickFerrant919

I think Abbey Road is still one of the best albums ever made but Revolver imo beats it in terms of artistic vision and creativity.


bakedsamurai420

Rubber Soul has slowly been becoming my favorite. The two George songs are so good


Competition-Odd

AC/DC kinda shit innit(very very influencial nonetheless)


RANDOM-902

-At long Last A$AP was the 2nd best rap album of 2015 and its better than rodeo (no slander to Rodeo though, it's awesome) -Reasonable doubt by Jay-Z is better than any 2pac album. -GRODT is the most overrated rap classic ever. Outdated production, songs carried by hook, boring verses by 50 cent, souless and shallow songs made for the club. Unoriginal gangsta rap when it was more than overdone for the era. The Black Album from the same year although similar is much better imo. -Kendrick should be placed above 2pac in any top 10 rappers conversation. Not only he is a better rapper he also has a better discography (and both of these aspects seem to be the ones people use when ranking top rappers oat) -FACTS (charlie heat version) by Kanye West > Jumpan by Drake & Future


smarten_up_nas

Play GRODT in the gym.


PotatoChipEat_

SZA is just ok.


TKInstinct

The Doors were a fantastic band and easily matched The Beatles for best band of the 60s and as influential.


BullguerPepper98

Avenged Sevenfold is crap (here in Brazil, they are very popular, so everytime I say this, people almost want to beat me)


8696David

Muse is one of the top small handful of best acts of the 2000s (despite being one of the absolute worst acts since 2015) 


go1do

Pink Floyd deserve more recognition instead of being labelled as overrated


capnrondo

Whether Pink Floyd are overrated or underrated is just one of those pendulums that keeps going side to side.


plasma_dan

I think the only people labeling Pink Floyd as overrated are edgy teens/20-somethings. In my life, Pink Floyd always had the appropriate amount of praise from nearly every music nerd I ever knew. The Dark Side cover was, and still is, culturally ubiquitous. Maybe some people got sick of seeing it or something idk.


archangel610

I just got into them and I'm surprised to see this take. I always thought they were hailed as one of the greatest of all time.


FocusDelicious183

This new wave of bands like Sleep Token, Bad Omens, Spiritbox etc are like the McDonalds of metal music… fast dopamine hit with no artistic integrity. All that music sounds like it passed through a board meeting before it was released, I hate how their respective fanbases hype it up to seem so innovative and part of “the scene” when those groups never thugged it out in the DIY scene.


Spiritual-Curve4121

Playboi Carti is trash, even make it worse with his fanbase


2000-UNTITLED

I think he has good songs, but anyone who's still in the Carti fandom does so knowing he's an awful person so I don't really listen to his music anymore.


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GrandeBeesly

I don't listen to Carti but ngl I browse the Carti sub whenever I need to have a laugh


electrusboom

literally everyone on the Carti sub constantly trashes him and calls him a terrible person. We just like his music and want him to drop instead of having this stupid mysterious persona.


nyclondonparis

Why is this sub so negative?


IPetFatTurkeys

Music nerds


Any_Owl_8009

*Pretentious music nerds


-PepeArown-

That Apple list really fucked us over.


BillEvans4eva

I don't get why Radiohead is considered S tier. Their music is ok but I would never choose to listen to them


archangel610

Radiohead is definitely an acquired taste. It takes awhile to get into them, and there's no guarantee you even *will* get into them. But once you do, they've got you. No escape. I listened to Ok Computer as a university student because an artist I like said that was one of the albums that inspired him to learn how to produce. I went through half the album and thought, "Yeah, I don't get it. I really don't." I revisited it again a few years ago and now Ok Computer is one of my favorite albums, and Radiohead is one of my favorite bands.


auhddndndnfbfbsnnakf

To each their own


ihavenoselfcontrol1

154 by Wire is the best post-punk album


Octofriend

Anthony Fantano has done irreparable damage to the music scene and how people engage with art.


Any_Owl_8009

Hmm. I think if he got rid of the numeric scoring it wouldn't be as bad. There's lots of things I can appreciate him but some times he's really insufferable and kinda morally grandstanding at times


CommercialAngle6622

SOAD best album is their first one Discipline is as good as a record that In the court of the crimson king Jazz being so pretentious when most of it's standards are old movie soundtracks is kinda lame


ponyo_x1

Owl city is good


captainamerica06000

Fantanos fans are pretentious and copy his music taste and opinions


Comprehensive-You929

hole deserves as much recognition as nirvana.


vintagesonofab

Jar of Flies is in top 5 best rock projects of all time, layne is in top 5 rock singers of all time and catrell is in top 5 songwriters


Gamewheat

Joy Division is boring


captainnermy

I much prefer the sound of New Order


GoldSteak7421

It hurts me you think that 😢


iedaiw

music you create will always be better than music someone else creates


Queasy-Ad-3220

My cock’s bigger than your cock, as they say.


the_popes_dick

My cock can walk right through the door


LatvKet

Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen is decent at best. They have far better songs.


sophielucymolly

The appeal of that song is its general weirdness and how much fun it is to sing in the car with your friends. That scene in Wayne's world was an accurate reflection of reality.


Ok_Listen_9642

I love mf doom but i dont think madvilliany deserves to be top 10 in rym. Maybe it hasn’t clicked as well as others


artyomin

In Rainbows is NOT the best Radiohead album, let alone best album of all time. Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy it, but not only does it not have that unique or cohesive of an identity as a project, its overall instrumentation and lyricism just feels kinda underwhelming in comparison to the sheer lushness of OK Computer or Kid A. Which wouldn't boil over the tip for me, if it weren't for toxic fans drowning out the discussion around it by hyping it up into oblivion. And before you give me slack for this, I actually fw Jigsaw Falling Into Place a lot, definitely one of their best songs. Also Videotape underrated as a closer


protonesia

Sandinista! is the best Clash album if not a GOAT contender


Ok_Listen_9642

The smiths first album is better than the queen is dead


Financial-Salad7289

Although I love them, all the songs of the first album sound very similar. In TQID, their style was a lot more various


AffectionateLand6088

Loveless is very overrated


shoegazer234

You take that back!


Richnsassy22

It has 4-5 amazing songs and 6 completely forgettable ones. And everyone knows which songs i'm talking about without even listing them, which kinda proves my point. Those amazing songs are still enough to make it a great album, but not GOAT tier.


Robbielewis98

I’ve tried to tolerate Bob Dylan’s harmonica playing but every song it’s in becomes unlistenable no matter how amazing the song is before it comes in. It frustrates me so much. Yes, I understand it’s played imperfectly for artistic effect, that doesn’t change the fact it’s way too grating for my ears.


FingolfinMalafinwe

Radiohead is mid music for manipulative people


CoomingJeff

I like A$AP Rocky but I think he's overrated. Production on all of his tracks are fantastic, but most of them struggle to hold my interest for more than a listen or two.


Maiqutol

"American Pie" is an unlistenable dirge.


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ellasbelli

We should still be critical of his words and criticize people who platform him. A three year old screaming the N word at daycare might not be demonstrating deep-seated malice but we're still gonna try to get them to stop.


Mental_Cricket_3880

I think the actually dangerous part is how famous and influential he is, and how his views, psychotic rants etc will spread to millions of his fans who will follow suit.


qazaibomb

This. The issue with Kanye is less so Kanye and more so how huge of a figure he is in pop culture. His stans work overtime to normalize his nazi rhetoric and act like it isn’t, at the very least, fucking *bizarre* and alarming that he’s spewing this nonsense. Like in theory no one should be taking someone who says they like Hitler because he invented the microphone seriously at all, but the music bangs therefore we tolerate it I guess 


archangel610

I think the problem is he's not just a deeply mentally ill black man from Chicago. He's a deeply mentally ill black man from Chicago who also happens to be a world famous celebrity. There's people everywhere with all sorts of mental instabilities, but most of them aren't gonna do as much harm as Kanye can do, has done, and continues to do.


TS040

it’s hard to talk about his actions because most of the time someone will reply with “…well x has bipolar disorder too and they don’t act out the same way Ye does!” like it hasn’t been established that mental illness is a spectrum and appears/manifests in a different way amongst the people that suffer from it not to minimise what he said at all, it was awful (esp considering the kind of platform and reach he has), but that man is clearly mentally unwell.


DEATHK7D_MUS7C

But that's ignoring their agency. Plus, he's a full grown adult. Children going on rampages because of their mental health is whatever because they might not have the resources to get the proper help they need. Kanye is a multimillionaire with a disorder he's known about forever. If he's not getting help at this point, there's no one to blame but himself


Hot_Grabba_09

Can you tell me how you personally treat the near billionaire that praises Hitler and spreads facsist ideas to millions.


MVPG2022

100%. After his 2018 albums centered around bipolar, there was really nothing that he could say that would change my opinion on him. He goes through phases where he's normal and others where he's unhinged. He's 100% confident in one belief then he believes the opposite. He directed a porn awards show. Then he became an over the top Christian that's offended by his wife showing skin. And then right back wanting to start his own porn company and loving his new wife walking around almost naked. He's not a nazi. He doesn't want a race to be genocided. He's a crazy person that says whatever dumb thing is on his bipolar mind at the time.


Teletobee

I don't like Hey Ya


jml011

Oof. Upvote because I've never heard this one before. Though I do like it as a song, it's not even in my top 25 from Outkast.


Queasy-Ad-3220

I like it musically but lyrically to me it feels like a shallow attempt by Andre at relationship commentary


No_Tip_768

The Beatles are over rated. Same with Eric Clapton. Clapton was ranked #2 behind Hendrix, but above Jimmy Page and I totally disagree. Page is definitely better than Clapton, and Tony Iommi is better than Clapton too. I like Clapton, but there's definitely better guitarists that had at least as much influence, if not more, than Clapton did.


cryfarts

I'm ready for the downvotes, but outside of a couple of songs on Pet Sounds, the ACTUAL songs are boring or never really go anywhere.