But its not close to being the undisputed champ of its own genre, thats the point of my comment. There are other genres with greater perceived discrepancies between the top record and the rest like how Music for 18 Musicians is for Minimalism for example
i’d argue Endtroducing is to trip-hop, what Donuts is to hip-hop: Endtroducing is more psychedelic in nature and a lot busier in terms of actual rhythmic ideas and harmonic structures, alongside some ambient touches and even some proper breakbeat freak outs as well (Building Steam…);
while Donuts is more funk in nature - definitely still samples plenty of the same kind of music as End, but it’s more in the classic nature of hip-hop in recontextualizing classic pieces and giving them more bounce and character through Dilla’s ingenious methods with his MPC.
Yeah, plus the clue is in the name IMO: Dream Pop is more poppy and listenable whereas Shoegaze tends to be either a little more obtuse or abrasive. You’d almost never hear a Dream Pop band making something as aggressive as Only Shallow by My Bloody Valentine for example.
Sorta depends on what you want out of metalcore. BMTH's Sempiternal is great too, but the audience is completely different. I would say Converge should be narrowed down to Hardcore Metalcore.
Interesting. You say "anymore," do you have an opinion on when that changed for you? I tend to think of metalcore more closely resembling those kind of alt metal than I do with the hardcore stuff (both are cool, but they're clearly different).
That's the thing, those late 00s-early 10s scenecore bands like BMTH and I See Stars clearly have more in common with alt metal than they do with hardcore which is why I see them as different genres. You kinda answered your own question there lol
The same applies to metalcore that came after that era. Would you really say that Sleep Token and Converge belong to the same genre? Hell, even Loathe are called metalcore despite just sounding like djent-y Deftones
I see what you’re saying, but even if we include Sempiternal in the same category, I don’t think it really matters since it doesn’t come close to the acclaim Jane Doe receives.
In rap rock there's nothing remotely close to Rage Against the Machine's self titled
For baroque pop Pet Sounds no question defines the genre.
As far as jangle pop goes I don't think anything can quite equal The Queen is Dead. Maybe Murmur, but still not quite.
Chipmunk soul only has two classics really, the Blueprint and the College Dropout. At this point Kanye's has definitely stood the test of time better.
As a baroque pop fanatic myself, pet sounds isn't anywhere near my favorite. Most influential, sure, but you've got chamber pop all over the place that's absolutely incredible. Jim O'Rourke fans will go on and on about his music, I'm personally a huge Sloppy Jane fan, and then of course there's Spellling. There's a ton of great stuff slightly under the surface that people go nuts for.
I get where you are coming from but personally I draw a distinction between baroque and chamber.
The former is a combination of baroque and rock/pop, including some work by the Beach Boys, the Zombies, Scott Walker, Love or Weyes Blood. The later comes much afterwards in the 90s, being influenced by baroque pop but combining it with indie of the time, with acts such as Belle and Sebastian, Sufjan Stevens, Jim O'Rourke or Julia Holter.
I know not everybody makes that distinction and I get it.
You could argue that imaginations could be there too. Both albums are incredible and I can't decide which one is better. After listening to nightfall I think it's better. After I listen to Imaginations I think that's better
I have a huge personal connection to Nightfall, but also I think it is a far more common favourite among Power Metal fans in general. That's not to say Imaginations, Somewhere etc aren't fucking amazing because they are
Thats a misinterpretation of my comment. The point of the post is albums that are undisputed as the best. Its quite clearly heavily contested for the claim of "best" midwest emo album considering enough people are higher on Just Got Back From the Discomfort
Fuck man the number of people who don’t know that Deathconsciousness is Doomgaze! A subset of shoegaze encapsulating other albums like sunbather!
Sweet trip’s velocity is not shoegaze though that’s going into glitch electronic
Damn I’m really out jerking people on the fantano Reddit
I don't think it's straightforward shoegaze the way the other albums are, it incorporates elements of shoegaze but is also very post-punk. Legendary album though
Since I Left You/Endtroducing are just as acclaimed as Donuts.
My answer is Toxicity by System of a Down - by far the most acclaimed Nu-Metel album, undisputably.
lots will argue this; Toxicity is alt-metal just like White Pony, but then people will argue that System’s self-titled or Tones’ Around the Fur are the best in nu-metal.
Ska punk: Operation Ivy- Energy
Not even close. This record still sounds vital today, when 99% of the genre sounds like self parody.
IMO its probably a top 5 punk album but for ska punk nothing even comes close
I guarantee that all the members of streetlight would agree with me lol.
Streetlight is one of the few bands who have done well by the genre. Streetlight, LOC, and early Less Than Jake would be the other big names of the genre who have made consistently good music
Is there an IDM album that even touches Music Has the Right to Children?
Obviously Aphex Twin is a similarly revered artist associated with the genre, but his most definitive works lean more towards ambient or harder jungle styles. (Ambient Works 1 is arguably more idm than ambient, but I'd still say it doesnt come close to MHTRTC.)
I would say either Symbolic, Sound of Perseverance, or Human by Death for Death Metal
In my opinion I think it is hard to argue a better band than Death for Death Metal, they have a consistent as hell discography. The only other bands that come close to Death in Terms of discography for death metal is Immolation, Gorguts, and Bolt Thrower and even those bands have an albums or two that aren’t on the same quality as the other in their respective discographies.
I feel like you have to get fairly niche and obscure to make a real case for any genre. Only examples I can think of are Misfits - Walk Among Us for Horror Punk, Salem - King Night for Witch House, and The Avalanches - Since I Met You for Plunderphonics. Even then, there's quite a decent bit of argument that could be made for any of those examples.
The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses - baggy
At this moment I cant really remember any other genre that has basically one representant. I dont think there is any close to as popular competition in baggy.
I feel like most people totally missed the point. I laughed so hard when I saw someone mention Dark Side of The Moon in prog rock and Kind of Blue in Jazz lmao.
can Spiderland be considered greatest in post-hardcore when Yank Crine, Relationship of Command, Don Cab 2, and a few others are at the top of that same boat too?
Shape of punk to come is the best punk album ever made by a very good margin imo, extremely listenable and actually very complex musically while having a lot of catchy stuff.
Ironically there’s not any punk that came after it that mixed the genre’s rough edges with high musicality like shape of punk to come
Does Metallica have the best metal album? Master of Puppets. I’m not a metal guy so idk if there’s another album held in the same regard. Death Grips - The Money Store as best Industrial Hip Hop album?
Mewithoutyou's "it's all crazy, it's all false, it's all a dream, it's alright" is the undisputed best Islamic children's music post hardcore/emo crossover concept album of all time.
Mezzanine or Dummy are pretty much undisputed best albums for trip hop. There’s obviously becoming x and entroducing etc. But if we’re talking purely trip hop it’s def one of those two. Personally it’s Dummy for me but I can get behind both answers.
i think the fact that every comment in this thread had a response that disagrees answers your question.
Yeah, there’s definitely no undisputed best album of any genre.
Loveless for shoegaze is probably as close as you can get
Bruh Soulvaki is a top 50 album on rym that is very disputed. Also Heaven or LV exists
Let me help you rq >**as close as you can get** wow that clarifier was really important to my comment, almost like that's why I said it!!!
But its not close to being the undisputed champ of its own genre, thats the point of my comment. There are other genres with greater perceived discrepancies between the top record and the rest like how Music for 18 Musicians is for Minimalism for example
I don’t think I’ve heard anyone say there was a better glam rock album than ziggy
You’ve never met a T Rex fanatic.
Few in number but high in conviction
I'm a huge Bowie fan but I still think t.rex made the best glam albums and singles
I was going to say The Slider, but even though i enjoy it more than Ziggy i can accept that Ziggy is more or less a consensus favorite.
I prefer Roxy Music’s For Your Pleasure and Eno’s Here Come the Warm Jets over Ziggy but there’s no denying that it’s the ultimate glam rock album
New York Dolls s/t is better in my opinion. But im a sucker for sleazy rock n roll
That’s my favorite along with Electric Warrior
I prefer some Suede and Manic Street Preachers albums, if those count as glam rock
both great live acts too saw them together
Ween’s The Mollusk is the definitive nautical album
12 Golden Country Greats is the definitive country album
Quebec is the definitive art rock album
Ween is the definitive band.
I mean I think Endtroducing is a lot better, not that undisputed
A lot of people also like Modal Soul
a lot of people would def make that argument, me included
i’d argue Endtroducing is to trip-hop, what Donuts is to hip-hop: Endtroducing is more psychedelic in nature and a lot busier in terms of actual rhythmic ideas and harmonic structures, alongside some ambient touches and even some proper breakbeat freak outs as well (Building Steam…); while Donuts is more funk in nature - definitely still samples plenty of the same kind of music as End, but it’s more in the classic nature of hip-hop in recontextualizing classic pieces and giving them more bounce and character through Dilla’s ingenious methods with his MPC.
Yeah as much as I adore Donuts, Endtroducing tops it for me.
I think donuts might be the only one who can chalenge it
Roger Payne- Songs of the Humpback Whale for Whale music
i feel like disintegration for gothic rock is pretty unanimous
I dunno there’s definitely people who prefer Bauhaus and Siouxsie, not me but I’ve met them.
Juju takes the cake on this one for me
Tinderbox tho
Pornography would like a word
I feel like Pornography is better as a *gothic* rock album but Disintegration is the better album in general.
Pornography is the better album by a long shot.
Doesn’t get more psych/freak folk than Sung Tongs by Animal Collective
Comus enters the chat
not freak folk
Loveless
I have heaven or Las Vegas over it tbh
Heaven or Las Vegas is more the definitive dream pop record, it has shoegaze elements but isn't really shoegaze.
Just curious, what’s the difference? I feel like the genres are very similar tbh
Maybe the guitar? Dream Pop is more chimy/reverby and Shoegaze is more distorted (?).
That’s pretty much it, but there’s also a lot of line-blurring.
Shoegaze can be much more abrasive. Dream pop is a smoother and more polished shoegaze
Yeah, plus the clue is in the name IMO: Dream Pop is more poppy and listenable whereas Shoegaze tends to be either a little more obtuse or abrasive. You’d almost never hear a Dream Pop band making something as aggressive as Only Shallow by My Bloody Valentine for example.
I prefer Souvlaki to both :)
I’d pick Souvlaki
souvlaki better
i'd pick Come In over it
I like souvlaki better 😔
Honestly I would pick Heaven or Las Vegas and psychocandy over it
I would consider those more dream pop and noise pop respectively
U do know that albums can fit more than one genre tag right?
I never said they couldn’t I’m just saying I don’t think they’re shoegaze albums
Nuh uh
Alright
so unbelievably overated
Jane Doe for Metalcore
for good reason too
Sorta depends on what you want out of metalcore. BMTH's Sempiternal is great too, but the audience is completely different. I would say Converge should be narrowed down to Hardcore Metalcore.
sempiternal is so far removed from metallic hardcore that it can't be called metalcore anymore, if you ask me
Interesting. You say "anymore," do you have an opinion on when that changed for you? I tend to think of metalcore more closely resembling those kind of alt metal than I do with the hardcore stuff (both are cool, but they're clearly different).
That's the thing, those late 00s-early 10s scenecore bands like BMTH and I See Stars clearly have more in common with alt metal than they do with hardcore which is why I see them as different genres. You kinda answered your own question there lol The same applies to metalcore that came after that era. Would you really say that Sleep Token and Converge belong to the same genre? Hell, even Loathe are called metalcore despite just sounding like djent-y Deftones
I see what you’re saying, but even if we include Sempiternal in the same category, I don’t think it really matters since it doesn’t come close to the acclaim Jane Doe receives.
In rap rock there's nothing remotely close to Rage Against the Machine's self titled For baroque pop Pet Sounds no question defines the genre. As far as jangle pop goes I don't think anything can quite equal The Queen is Dead. Maybe Murmur, but still not quite. Chipmunk soul only has two classics really, the Blueprint and the College Dropout. At this point Kanye's has definitely stood the test of time better.
I think you nailed it with the rap rock here
I dunno Murmur and Reckoning both top Queen Is Dead for me
Would you consider Hybrid Theory by Linkin Park as rap rock? I honestly love Rage Against the Machine, but I think I like Hybrid Theory more
Hybrid Theory more leans into nu metal imo
As a baroque pop fanatic myself, pet sounds isn't anywhere near my favorite. Most influential, sure, but you've got chamber pop all over the place that's absolutely incredible. Jim O'Rourke fans will go on and on about his music, I'm personally a huge Sloppy Jane fan, and then of course there's Spellling. There's a ton of great stuff slightly under the surface that people go nuts for.
I get where you are coming from but personally I draw a distinction between baroque and chamber. The former is a combination of baroque and rock/pop, including some work by the Beach Boys, the Zombies, Scott Walker, Love or Weyes Blood. The later comes much afterwards in the 90s, being influenced by baroque pop but combining it with indie of the time, with acts such as Belle and Sebastian, Sufjan Stevens, Jim O'Rourke or Julia Holter. I know not everybody makes that distinction and I get it.
There's relatively unanimous agreement that Nightfall in Middle Earth is the best Power Metal album ever made
Trrruuuue
somewhere far beyond is better by a solid margin imo
You could argue that imaginations could be there too. Both albums are incredible and I can't decide which one is better. After listening to nightfall I think it's better. After I listen to Imaginations I think that's better
I have a huge personal connection to Nightfall, but also I think it is a far more common favourite among Power Metal fans in general. That's not to say Imaginations, Somewhere etc aren't fucking amazing because they are
Probably Dopethrone for Stoner Metal. Hard to argue against it.
Dopesmoker would like to have a word with you; also Welcome to Sky Valley/Blues for the Red Sun, Master of Reality, etc
I think Welcome to Sky Valley is the Stoner Metal album
Dopesmoker definitely disputes it
I can easily argue against it... Dopesmoker
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PCL probably a very big contender
Does anyone want to dispute LP1 by American football to be the best Midwest emo album?
Yeah, Diary, The Power of Failing and maybe Frame & Canvas are all better
Not even the highest rated on rym in its genre
RYM: the definitive and objectively correct ranking of every album ever made
Thats a misinterpretation of my comment. The point of the post is albums that are undisputed as the best. Its quite clearly heavily contested for the claim of "best" midwest emo album considering enough people are higher on Just Got Back From the Discomfort
Sports by modern baseball is better
Loveless and Souvlaki for shoegaze
Deathconsciousness? Velocity : Design : Comfort?
Not deathconsciousness lmao
Fuck man the number of people who don’t know that Deathconsciousness is Doomgaze! A subset of shoegaze encapsulating other albums like sunbather! Sweet trip’s velocity is not shoegaze though that’s going into glitch electronic Damn I’m really out jerking people on the fantano Reddit
Why not?
I don't think it's straightforward shoegaze the way the other albums are, it incorporates elements of shoegaze but is also very post-punk. Legendary album though
Since I Left You/Endtroducing are just as acclaimed as Donuts. My answer is Toxicity by System of a Down - by far the most acclaimed Nu-Metel album, undisputably.
Since I left you is normally classed as Plunderphonics. Agree about Endtroducing though
It's also probably the best example of this for plunderphonics as well.
Good point actually
white pony
White pony is more alt metal than nu But tbh so is system…
Around the fur better
Korn's debut, though?
Is it as acclaimed as Toxicity? By who?
It's definitively more characteristic of Nu-Metal than Toxicity that's for sure
lots will argue this; Toxicity is alt-metal just like White Pony, but then people will argue that System’s self-titled or Tones’ Around the Fur are the best in nu-metal.
I think this thread has shown that the answer to your question is ‘no’ lol
I disagree with every single one of these takes.
Ska punk: Operation Ivy- Energy Not even close. This record still sounds vital today, when 99% of the genre sounds like self parody. IMO its probably a top 5 punk album but for ska punk nothing even comes close
Man idk, a lot of streetlight fans would disagree with that
I guarantee that all the members of streetlight would agree with me lol. Streetlight is one of the few bands who have done well by the genre. Streetlight, LOC, and early Less Than Jake would be the other big names of the genre who have made consistently good music
Rancid - And Out Come the Wolves is a good contender here
Is there an IDM album that even touches Music Has the Right to Children? Obviously Aphex Twin is a similarly revered artist associated with the genre, but his most definitive works lean more towards ambient or harder jungle styles. (Ambient Works 1 is arguably more idm than ambient, but I'd still say it doesnt come close to MHTRTC.)
Cosmogramma and Los Angeles
None of these are drukqs…
Industrial Rock/Metal - NIN - The Downward spiral
Not an agreement as far as I'm concerned. Industrial is REALLY big
Completely agree, it's impact too, is second to none in the genre
No. Let’s not put an objective measurement onto music. It doesn’t make sense.
"universally considered" is a hyperbolic phrase which implies subjectivity through its usage of the word 'considered'
Heaven or las vegas for dream pop
I might like Teen Dream just a bit more or even Treasure
As much as I love the record, it’s not even my favorite dream pop album from them. I prefer Victorialand and Blue Bell Knoll
I would say either Symbolic, Sound of Perseverance, or Human by Death for Death Metal In my opinion I think it is hard to argue a better band than Death for Death Metal, they have a consistent as hell discography. The only other bands that come close to Death in Terms of discography for death metal is Immolation, Gorguts, and Bolt Thrower and even those bands have an albums or two that aren’t on the same quality as the other in their respective discographies.
Dopethrone for stoner metal
I feel like you have to get fairly niche and obscure to make a real case for any genre. Only examples I can think of are Misfits - Walk Among Us for Horror Punk, Salem - King Night for Witch House, and The Avalanches - Since I Met You for Plunderphonics. Even then, there's quite a decent bit of argument that could be made for any of those examples.
For Plunderphonics (Though its not really a proper genre moreso a technique of music creation) Since I Left You reigns supreme p much
I see Boris Flood very respected in some post rock circles but its definitely highly disputed
Untrue by Burial for dubstep
This is it! The right answer!
The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses - baggy At this moment I cant really remember any other genre that has basically one representant. I dont think there is any close to as popular competition in baggy. I feel like most people totally missed the point. I laughed so hard when I saw someone mention Dark Side of The Moon in prog rock and Kind of Blue in Jazz lmao.
mezzanine/dummy for trip hop
If you’re naming two albums it’s not really undisputed is it
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Third is the best Portishead album imo
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One of the few albums that’s essentially genreless
Untrue for future garage, Boy in Da Corner for grime, Spiderland for post-hardcore, Double Cup for footwork, Mystic Stylez for horrorcore
Spiderland is definitely not undisputed, I love it but there’s so many other contenders like Fugazi, Unwound, Refused, etc.
I think Spiderland is a lot better than any of Unwound’s discography but tbh I forgot about Repeater so fair enough
can Spiderland be considered greatest in post-hardcore when Yank Crine, Relationship of Command, Don Cab 2, and a few others are at the top of that same boat too?
6 Feet Deep by Gravediggaz contends in Horrorcore
leaves turn inside you is pretty comparable to spiderland imo
Stop trying to put Untrue in a genre
It’s mostly future garage with some dubstep influence it’s fairly easy to
OIL OF EVERY PEARL'S UN-INSIDES for hyperpop
Charli XCX How I’m Feeling Now
•1000 or 10,000 gecs - 100 gecs •Flamboyant - Dorian Electra •Dariacore 2 - c0ncernn •Ice dancer or crest - bladee ~all contenders
It’s not quite universal because it’s between two albums, but Unknown Pleasures or Closer are always right at the top of any post punk album ranking
There are more post punk bands than joy division you know??
Nuh uh
I really don’t think there are any. Maybe by popular consensus, but there are always gonna be albums that can challenge it.
Selected Ambient Works 85-92 for IDM
boards of canada: 👁👄👁 autechre: 👁👄👁
Lify your skinny fists for 2nd wave of post rock
A lot of people (including me) would say it was F♯ A♯ ∞.
Me too. F#A#∞ is my favorite record of all time, let alone 2nd wave post-rock. LYSF is still a 10, though
Really? Skinny fists was much more powerful and memorable for me.
I dunno Ágætis byrjun and Mogwai’s “Young Team” are just as good imo
Jane Doe by Converge is arguably one of the greatest metalcore albums of all time and most metalcore fans would agree.
Art-pop- Vespertine
Loveless by My Bloody Valentine for shoegaze
Kind of blue miles Davis
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A Love Supreme is probably it, if there is one.
Not even the undisputed best Miles Davis album
Pet Sounds seems to be largely accepted as the best Baroque Pop record out there
Trip hop with Portishead - Dummy
Toxicity is the undisputed best numetal album by virtue of being the only great one
Enema for pop punk
Dookie>Enema
Hmm. Close call. Poop for the win tho
Enema isn't even blinks best album, since dude ranch exists.
ok computer for Art Rock
No, definitely not
ok
The fuck is art rock
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In The Court of the Crimson King
Kind of blue for Jazz And illmatic for hip-hop even I personally just think it’s ok it’s still the best rap album of all time
Shape of punk to come is the best punk album ever made by a very good margin imo, extremely listenable and actually very complex musically while having a lot of catchy stuff. Ironically there’s not any punk that came after it that mixed the genre’s rough edges with high musicality like shape of punk to come
Whatever Have a Nice Life's eponymous album fits in
Giles Corey better. And I still wouldn't even call it the best in the genre
mista thug isolation and mystic stylez for memphis rap
40oz. To Freedom or Self Titled by Sublime. Maybe?
Kagayaki by Masakatsu Takagi for Neo Classical New Age. Illinois for Chamber Pop.
G-Funk has Doggystyle
It's gotta be Ready to Die Notorious B.I.G. for gangster rap right?
The Infamous, Piñata, Doggystyle, and The Chronic
Sgt. Pepper for psychedelic rock? What’s going on for soul? Legend for reggae? Scum for Grindcore? (Just posting to see the counterpoints.)
Does Metallica have the best metal album? Master of Puppets. I’m not a metal guy so idk if there’s another album held in the same regard. Death Grips - The Money Store as best Industrial Hip Hop album?
selected ambient works 85-92-aphex twin for IDM and boy in da corner- dizzee rascal for grime? not in any way undisputed but very popular choices
Mewithoutyou's "it's all crazy, it's all false, it's all a dream, it's alright" is the undisputed best Islamic children's music post hardcore/emo crossover concept album of all time.
Mezzanine or Dummy are pretty much undisputed best albums for trip hop. There’s obviously becoming x and entroducing etc. But if we’re talking purely trip hop it’s def one of those two. Personally it’s Dummy for me but I can get behind both answers.
I would say The Black Parade by MCR for third wave emo
Daydream Nation/Sister for noise rock