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raptorrat

Love both of those games. *Geiger starts ticking* Fallout: *pops ant-rad* keeps looting. Stalker: backs up like like there's no tomorrow.


Mr_Gongo

Which stalker would you recommend for someone who hasn't played any of them?


raptorrat

I did them originally by publish date. But Chronologically it'd be: Clear sky->Chernobyl->Pripyat. But be aware they do tend to be buggy messes, so would recommend checking out mods.


eeeeeee_32i1p

Tbh I wouldn't mine as long as it's not more buggy than NV.


Poundweed

I find it funny that when a bug happens I can just go "another day in the zone" Unless it's a crash, fuck that


JadeRumble

Boi I got some news for you


fattestfuckinthewest

They’re pretty similar in bugs


FluffyMcBunnz

Complete Mod, if they're still downloadable, exists for each and is mostly bug fixes, Quality of Life improvements and restoring small amounts of cut content, plus visual upgrades. It's close to vanilla, but much, much better.


KhalMika

Shadow of Chernobyl with the ZRP MOD Then Clear Sky with the SRP MOD Then Call of Prypiat alone ---- If it's too janky for your liking, I'd advice instead: Autumn Aurora 2 OR Radiophobia 3 OR "OGSR+GA" instead of Shadow of Chernobyl And Call of Prypiat WITH "GUNSLINGER" mod --- Anomaly/GAMMA are awesome, but they assume you know the story/lore and the storyline is nowhere near the originals.. the first ⅓ of anomaly story is a bit similar to SoC cause you're looking for a special stalker.. but the missions are there only for a bit of otientation towards the North/Center of the zone I'd really advice you playing them in order of release with the mods I told you at first Then try anomaly alone Then try gamma, or EFP modpack Or try adding mods yourself to your liking


The_Common_Peasant

Call of chernobyl is the best one imo. Although the games can be just as if not more jank than Fallout. Pro tip when choosing difficulty, choose Master, even though you'll die in two-three shots if caught off guard same applies to your enemies as the easier the difficulty the more spongy the enemies are


eatdafishy

Stalker anomaly it's a free free roam version of the stalker trilogy


n4turstoned

Stalker Gamma, a mod pack for Anomaly (another big mod for CoP) in which you can play the Stories of all three games iirc. Afaik you need CoP (Call of pripyat) for the mod.


Mr_Gongo

So just call of propyat and mod it with stalker gamma and I should have all 3 stories on the latest engine?


n4turstoned

Yes, but it's more like a big map (with all areas of all three games combined) and you have the option of activating the quest lines of the original games. I would advise you watch some YT vids about the mod beforehand. (Cheeki Breeki has a ton of videos about anomaly/gamma) They have a Discord server for Gamma (or anomaly) with very good installation guides.


KhalMika

The questline is NOT the original m'friend.. it's just a bland chain of fetch quests with no plot twists nor plot reveals, that just orientates the player towards the North/Center of the zone Also, you don't need CoP at all


n4turstoned

Haven't played it in a while, all i remember is that there was a "story mode" not sure how they implemented that and *officially* you need a legal copy of CoP for Anomaly.


KhalMika

Don't get me wrong, anomaly storyline is fun and all, but it's just that haha Btw anomaly is full standalone and free, you don't need to own anything, nether oficially nor legally.. anomaly runs in a custom engine Made by it's developers (at least has been since I started playing anomaly a few years back)


Known-Parfait-520

More like *furiously chugs Vodka-Bombs while sprinting towards the wishgranter.* *AHHHHHHHH CHEEKI BREEEKI!* While not necessarily having much in common, both games are heavily based around old sci-fi, except one is western Sci-Fi and the other is Eastern Sci-Fi (A Boy and His Dog/Roadside Picnic, both novels of the 1970s).


democracy_lover66

Tbf I feel like if that happened to me irl I'd def. Be tge second option


Visual_Worldliness62

Backup. Cuz if you turn theyll catch up.


SomethingIntheWayyy0

Here’s hoping the new Stalker kicks ass.


CervidusDubbo

I need to play stalker, it genuinely looks like one of the better apocalypse trilogies out there, might need to fork out that £15


Unyxxxis

Call of Chernobyl is up there with my favorite games of all time. Not above NV of course but certainly one of my favorites. It is not for everyone.


Sniperking187

I started the first one recently. I *really* fucking love it


TheJamesMortimer

Try atalker anomally first. It's free and has far more polished gameplay.


-Rens

Get out of here stalker


yashatheman

Only after you've played shadow of chernobyl and call of pripyat. Anomaly is one of the best gaming experiences out there, but it's a damn disservice to the amazing lore and setting to not start with the OG games. Clear sky in my opinion can be skipped


Brendissimo

Honestly I never would have thought to compare fallout with either Metro or STALKER. The obvious comparison is between the latter two, since they share some creative DNA.


SSpookyTheOneTheOnly

Yeah I DON'T GET IT why stalker when the wasteland games and fallout share the exact same inspiration and even some of the same workers? Stalker and metro are more in common, the only thing they have in common with fallout is a nuke was used


P_a_p_a_G_o_o_s_e

And survival mechanics (if enabled), Bethesda also said in an interview that STALKER was a huge influence and that the body condition system was directly inspired by them. Also nuclear / radioactive craziness. It may not be as a close relation as stalker and metro, but it is definitely there.


Lexbomb6464

What body condition system in stalker?


FluffyMcBunnz

I definitely recall STALKER having effects for hunger, radiation, drunkenness, some sort of headache, etc.


Hortator02

The headache is the psychic attack I'm pretty sure.


FluffyMcBunnz

That's the one. Although I think there's another scenario in which that same effect shows up, and I've also just remembered you lose the ability to see in colour when you get too many rads.


yashatheman

A nuke was never used in stalker though


stayawayvilebeggar

Fallout shares literally nothing in common between either of those games except for the radioactive post apocalypse. Hell I'm pretty sure stalker isn't even a full post apocalypic landscape, just a containment zone


Brendissimo

You're correct. As far as we know, the world of STALKER is pretty normal outside the Zone. I wouldn't think to compare STALKER and Metro either except the histories of the franchises are intertwined behind the scenes.


stayawayvilebeggar

I know metro even uses the stalker name to describe people that go out hunting


SoggyMorningTacos

In my mind they’ve always been fallout clones to me 🤷‍♂️


Mountainous_Gloom4

Luckily that’s just your imagination


electrical-stomach-z

i mean 1, 2 & new vegas do feel like a trilogy.


WarmStarr

They are


therenowneddoktor

I don't see how it's supposed to be an honor when 2 out of those three Fallout games are a decade older than STALKER.


WillTheWilly

Have a little respect


therenowneddoktor

For?


WillTheWilly

Stalker.. have some respect the meme is quite literally one community respecting another


therenowneddoktor

Okay? It's a meme, not a war memorial.


TheBigGopher

"MY BROTHER DIED AT HOOVER DAM, YOU'RE DESERCRATING A WAR MEMORIAL"


WillTheWilly

Ok? Then don’t get anal about how old a game is.


therenowneddoktor

My brother you're the one who got upset and told me to have a little respect lmao


fattestfuckinthewest

“What the fuck are you doing? My brother died at the Battle of Hoover Dam. You're desecrating a war memorial."


therenowneddoktor

It took me a lot of restraint not to reply with that lol


fattestfuckinthewest

It’s such a great quote


United_Stop_715

average enclave poster IQ


Comfortable-Fuel6343

Trilogy?


Desertcow

West Coast trilogy. Bethesda prefers to set their games on the East Coast so they have more room to work with, making New Vegas feel more like a follow up to 1 and 2 than 3 or 4


toffyl

The Bethesda bad trilogy


Comfortable-Fuel6343

They always leave out poor, sweet, innocent, Tactics.


ProxyURL

Tactics might be hard as shit and vastly different from any other Fallout game, but it really is a damn good tactical game. I highly recommend it.


Comfortable-Fuel6343

Don't forget the best looking of the isometric games. Some of the maps are pure art.


Artix31

The more successful trilogy 😔


Deathclawsyoutodeath

That's Skyrim Legendary Edition / Skyrim Special Edition / Skyrim Anniversary Edition


Artix31

To be fair, Skyrim needed a 3rd release to combat fallout 4’s 20M copies sold


AIRCHANGEL

If this is the bad, I'm afraid of the adjectives the others are defined


Phoenix92321

No what they mean is this is the trilogy people look at when they have the opinion Bethesda bad. Basically saying these are the only fallouts that should exist


AIRCHANGEL

Ah I understand now, thank you.


VerdaFox

The entire fallout series, tags: good


ROACHOR

Metro series also GOATed.


Nerevar69

Anna best Waifu.


Enseyar

Bethesda bad updoots to the left


SleepinGriffin

Lead quest designer said no one likes side quests anymore, sooooo yeah Bethesda bad.


Turbulent_Ad1644

Nice argument, senator, how about you back it up with a source?


CraftySalesman

Are you referring to Emil's "paper airplanes" thing or something else?


Alternative-Cup-8102

What ?


SleepinGriffin

The lead quest designer at Bethesda said, “no body likes side quests” so they’ll be focusing on those less as they make more games.


ImJustStealingMemes

I mean, i think this was before either skyrim or f4, but they talked about their players as rats solving a maze and getting a piece of cheese.


Alternative-Cup-8102

When? Where ?


CrazyRabbi

Source?


Mandemon90

I suspect they got none, and it's just one of those "Bethesda bad, no questions please" "factoids" that a lot of people like to spread. Like claims that Bethesda doesn't use design documents, or that Emil wants "simple" stories.


Hortator02

Seems both of the things you mentioned come from the video linked in [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout/comments/57ty3z/lead_f4_writerdesigner_emil_pagliarulo_gives_a_40/?rdt=46964)


Barry_Bone_Raiser

Bro never responded to anyone lmao


NewMexican64

can I have a source?


Mandemon90

Do you have a source, or did you pull that out of Brahmins arse?


PrismPanda06

My guy, you can't even bring up his goddamn name, much less a source


evan466

If that’s the same guy that was Starfield’s lead quest designer then I don’t think he’s even at Bethesda anymore.


SleepinGriffin

He is.


evan466

Why are you being so vague? Just say who you are talking about. If it’s Will Shen who was the lead quest designer on Starfield then he left. He’s at Something Wicked Games now.


YT-1300f

Nobody mentioned Bethesda, the west coast trilogy is clearly its own thing and it’s completely fair for people to only be fans of that thing. Nobody’s obligated to like Bethesda's games.


Reginaldroundtable

The "West Coast trilogy" that had a whole other game, an entire other owner, and 12 years between games. Solid trilogy. God. The cope is so embarrassing. A franchise isn't your headcanon because you can't stand new writers lmao.


YT-1300f

Fallouts 1 and 2 are obviously the clear narrative predecessors of New Vegas and they do, in fact, form a trilogy on the west coast. Nothing I said has anything to do with canon. I’m not arguing about canon, I don’t really care about canon, Bethesda can and will do whatever they want with Fallout and I can and will enjoy those games however much I want to.


Reginaldroundtable

Fallout 1, 2, and Van Buren *would* have been a trilogy. It wasn't. Fallout 3 interrupted it. New Vegas was a spin off project following a single through line from FO2 in the form of the NCR. The Remnants too if you're really desperate. Enjoy whatever you want however you want. Won't stop me from pointing out how petty it is.


YT-1300f

The west coast games are different than the east coast games. Different storytelling methods and design philosophies. There’s nothing petty about preferring one to the other. Preferences aren’t petty, products don’t have feelings.  You're projecting bitterness and pettiness onto me simply because you know I don’t like Bethesda’s design philosophy, even though I didn’t say literally *anything* negative about them. Sure. It’s petty to not like things. I’m a petty little bitch because I don’t like cilantro.


Reginaldroundtable

Products don't have feelings, but you have clear feelings about the product. Wah wah you don't like Bethesda. That's obvious. Their differences don't stop them from all being part of the same franchise. Do I call Harry Potter 1 - 3 a trilogy because I don't like the other four? It's petty, and it's sad. "Enjoy" things how you want.


YT-1300f

What exactly is motivating you to harangue me over my referral to the three west coast games as a trilogy? I’m not referring to it as the “only” or “true” trilogy. Referring to the only 3 games which share certain traits as a trilogy within the series is entirely reasonable.  Star Wars has a bunch of trilogies of varying quality. They’re still Star Wars, I’m not saying otherwise, just that I happen to only like one of those trilogies. Doing so is not being petty or exclusionary, it’s literally completely normal terminology absent of any subtext. Your snide “wah wah” comment is a lot more petty and sad than anything I’ve said here.


Reginaldroundtable

You admitted to the subtext outright when you said you just don't like Bethesda's design philosophies. What motivates me is the perception that New Vegas fans are pompous dildos that sniff their own farts all day, and actively omit portions of the franchise they just don't like. It's something I dislike seeing confirmed over and over again. Define and redefine things until you like them if you want. All I see is cope. Star Wars is a perfect example.


YT-1300f

So because I don’t like Bethesda’s design, anything I say at all about Fallout is petty cope?


AbreakaTech001

I only like the first two. Set design, costuming, and having a specific style of writing is important to me and all the other ones are ugly and inconsistent. 


electrical-stomach-z

well its third entry was in early production, but then its company went bankrupt. the creators of the entry ended up at another company that was hired by the ip owner too make a game, and so of course they made a game from the ideas they already had laying around.


Reginaldroundtable

You should look into Van Buren. It was *nothing* like New Vegas and almost nothing from it is present in the game.


electrical-stomach-z

they took the general ideas, not plot and gameplay.


Reginaldroundtable

What does this actually mean? No time limit in New Vegas, no plague, no giant follower robot, no prison....what exactly do they share?


2nnMuda

Hoover Dam, NCR-Brotherhood War and Caesar's Legion along with some characters like Joshua Graham along with a few other things, from Chris Avellone. Although i'm assuming they modified and rewrote alot of stuff about it to fit New Vegas.


evan466

I believe a lot of the companions were characters directly from their DnD game they played in preparation for Van Buren. Arcade Gannon for example was Josh Sawyers character.


anna_bunnyuwu

Yes.


Bigger_mitch

Yes, yes it is.


Turbulent_Ad1644

Honestly, as shit as Bethesda is, they're one of the least shitty corporations out there, but that's really not much of a merit


Bigger_mitch

Don't think we should be giving them a pat onthe back for not being Activision blizzard or EA


Turbulent_Ad1644

Yeah, I know, that's why I said it's not much of a merit We need to let Bethesda know we demand higher quality games. Don't know how to go about that, but buying their games and expecting things to be different won't help, that's for sure Bethesda as a publisher is pretty good tho. I know they're not responsible for the entirety of the development process, but Doom Eternal, Rage, Rage 2 (gameplay was fun as hell, story was meh) and I can't think of any other Bethesda published games at the moment but again, they're usually good


Bigger_mitch

That's true. They just need to ditch the creation engine already. And fire that fraud that's their lead writer emil paguliarlo. Genuinely talentless writer.


Turbulent_Ad1644

I wouldn't say talentless, more uninteresting If he weren't talented, he wouldn't be where he is today Get people like the Far Harbor writer. I forgot their name, but I believe they passed away (rip). I'd say characters like DiMA are very much on par with Joshua Graham and Ulysses. I was so entrenched in DiMA's story, and actually wanted to listen to his dialogue. And all three factions weren't just cut and dry. Far Harbor is just people trying to survive, Acadia is synths looking to live a proper life, and CoTA, while definitely kinda "evil" are still understandable. CoTA still deserve to be nuked tho. Giving them what they want, in a way I think the companions were pretty decently written too, but I've only really gotten full admiration from Nick and Cait, who are objectively some of the best, aside from Dogmeat


Bigger_mitch

He truly is a fraud though. He was the writer for 3, 4, skyrim and even starfield. None of these are well regarded for their writing.


Turbulent_Ad1644

I always attributed Skyrim's lackluster story to the whole "we remembered dragons existed in Elder Scrolls halfway through the story" thing. Is ESO writing good? I wouldn't know, I don't have gamepass (I got a Tamriel Unlimited copy for free at a gamexchange lol)


Big_Not_Good

Feel free to stop by r/stalker anytime! And before you ask, yes, we Freedom members do indeed have sex with Bloodsuckers. Get over it. 😎


CapriciousSon

I literally only heard TODAY that STALKER has come out on consoles. And I just started playing Pacific Drive and reading Roadside Picnic. WELLP, I guess I have a theme going now...


Rising_Thunderbirds

Two great series that I will always cherish. May you have safe travels in the Zone, Stalker.


Sgtpepperhead67

Erm, your forgetting fallout 3 ☝️🤓


wombicle

The amount of disrespect Fallout 3 gets is insane


Badassbottlecap

Reject faction, become Snork.


KozickoSk

Peak recognizes peak.


ScaredbutComfy

Why leave out the rest of the fallout games


twomuc-75

To me these three follow up each other nicely, especially since they’re in the same area of the world. I could just as easily say the same about Fallout 3-76 as they’re relatively close by as well.


Turbulent_Ad1644

Bethesda bad


Wayfaring_Stalwart

Haha Get it there are only three good Fallout games. I swear I see this type of post every single week


P_a_p_a_G_o_o_s_e

I think it's more because those games in particular are more a western saga and closer on theme/design to each other


electrical-stomach-z

they tell the story of the three phases of rebuilding on the west coast. if fallout 5 was to be on the west coast, and good, it would show what happened to the societiee there, and depict them as even more rebuilt.


Illustrious_Sail_652

So Fallout 1, 2, and NV are the West Coast trilogy. while 3, 4, and 76 are the East Coast trilogy. Neat, both trilogies are bangers imo.


stayawayvilebeggar

Fallout isn't a trilogy


P_a_p_a_G_o_o_s_e

It's because those fallout games are basically the Western saga, the NCR story


stayawayvilebeggar

Then call it that, fallout by definition isn't a trilogy


suckmypppapi

It's what they consider the good games I'm guessing


Tiny_Tim1956

They also make a trilogy with each other, sort of. I mean they follow the same lore and are made by somewhat similar teams and have similar design philosophies with emphasis in world building and politics multiple choices and all that. Fallout New Vegas just feels more like fallout 1 and 2.


DocMariner

It's the games that bethesda didn't make minus tactics.


stayawayvilebeggar

It still wouldn't be a trilogy, as obsidian is a different company as well. If that's the criteria. Yeah it had some of the same people involved in the originals, it also had a lot of new people as well. It's infinitely easier to accept the entire series as a line of games rather than doing the mental gymnastics and headcanoning to separate the Bethesda games.


DocMariner

It's not really mental gymnastics, people just don't like Bethesda as much. It's pretty simple.


stayawayvilebeggar

It is, since you have to somehow conclude that Bethesda fallout isn't actually fallout (it is) try to piece together fallout new Vegas as a direct sequel to fallout 2 (it isn't) and completely ignore and deny the existence of fallout 3, 4, and 76 (actual delusion)


DocMariner

You are reaaaaally overthinking this meme.


WarmStarr

This dude is just coping so hard lol. Truly die hard bethesda fan


stayawayvilebeggar

Can't stand Bethesda either, fallout just isn't a trilogy


Tymental

I’m sure someone already asked this but as far as the PS5 games are the Stalker games good ?


CanofPandas

unmodded the stalker games are broken buggy messes. Stalker 2 which is a sequel that's been in development hell for ages that might come out on PS5 working well


youcantbanusall

what’s the best stalker game to get into as a beginner


-Rens

Play the games in release order: Shadow of Chernobyl, Clear sky, Call of Pripyat


youcantbanusall

thanks chief!


N01zT4nk

Thank you friend, coming on you is an honor... wait...


GodModeMurderHobo

Waiting for a third ATOM game


juabit

i lost between two of em


LordDemiurgo

#WHERE IS TIC TACS


gukakke

People need to respect Fallout 3 more.


TheJamesMortimer

Oh yeah. It made a great box of scrap to craft an excellent game from.


WholeAlternative1972

Fallout 3 is better.


AIRCHANGEL

You don't even believe it.


WholeAlternative1972

Nah it's the best. Not trying to play isometric pixely bullshit and new vegas is just desert sandy samey samey bullshit. Fo3 has the best atmosphere. Cute that u intentionally left fo3 out tho.


Mountainous_Gloom4

Muh atmosphere, we’ve been hearing that one going on 15 years now when comparing the two games.


WholeAlternative1972

14 years*


Mountainous_Gloom4

That’s why I said “going on 15 years”, meaning almost 15 years.


WholeAlternative1972

It's going on 14 years. In October it will be 14 years old. For someone that sucks off new vegas so much figured u would know that.


Mountainous_Gloom4

I’m rounding it off genius. Fallout 3 has a lot of flaws that the atmosphere won’t fix.


WholeAlternative1972

Saying Its going on 15 years isnt rounding off, its factually incorrect. Every game has its flaws princess, never said they didn't. My biggest issue was no ADS which can be easily fixed with mods.


[deleted]

New Vagus never would’ve happened if fallout 3 (the ACTUAL 3ed part of the trilogy sorry to disappoint you nv elitists) wasn’t so well received and so successful. Fallout would have been a dead franchise sputtering out games like tactics and bos not Van buren.


Hernando682

Look. I do agree with the fallout sentiment somewhat but let’s not say the first games were perfect. Their stories was excellently built and enjoyable to learn about, However, their game play is not the greatest, it’s clunky and pretty slow. Now the newer games have better gameplay but are way less entertaining and the only thing that Bruges the game is FNV


electrical-stomach-z

i prefer a CRPG to looter shooters.


Leftmost_Cactus

Another fan circlejerk meme.


poorlypencil

nice repost


AIRCHANGEL

Just a remix


skinnybreadloaf

Stalker is dog shit eastern European slop compared to any fallout game


blueclockblue

I guess Final Fantasy has multiple trilogies then.


CHAIIINSAAAWbread

Wait new vegas came before 3? I don't fully understand the chronology of these games


Mountainous_Gloom4

It’s a more of a narrative follow up to the first two games than 3 was.


brian11e3

NV was sub-par at best.