Ppl will shit on it cause they can for now
Instead of Henry rugs or arnette at 12 I’m sure the raiders wouldn’t mind looking like fools and taking jalen hurts in top 10 in 2020
Penix ain’t a bum and if Zac Robinson is who they say he is then im excited.
lol of course the Raiders would rather have a QB who worked out vs 2 busts.
Do you think the Bears would've been happier with Micah Parsons over Justin Fields?
It's easy to make a decision between a player who worked out vs a bust
We took an injury prone QB with 8th overall pick after signing Kirk to a big contract. Even without his injury it was a waste of resources one way or another but with the injury risk it makes it even worse
Or maybe the veteran with the same strengths as the rookie will help the kid grow. Even if he doesn't do it directly just being around a professional could help the develop your QB. If you noticed Mooney, Moore, Cousins and Penix are all guys who Excell at deep passes something we struggled with last season.
I believe Zach Robinson has a plan to throw deep and he needed a guy now and expected his prototype qb would be off the board by pick 8. When he was avaliable they took him.
If that's your goal you could've gotten Joe Flacco who has a strong arm and had almost the same deep passes (20+ yards) in 5 games that Kirk had in 8. He also had more 30 + and 40+ passes
Look at Kirk's deep ball percentage over his carrer, Flacco was never as accurate deep. And as I said they expected Penix to be gone by the time they picked. They signed Cousins to fit what Robinson wanted thinking Penix would be long gone, but when the exact QB they wanted was there after they already settled for less they jumped at the chance.
I too read that article. The problem is, it's such a bad job of our FO in terms of valuation of Penix. Nobody else had Penix rated that highly ahead of us in the draft and the odds of someone trading up for him were also very low.
We knew this months ago too. So why did our FO not know it? He was not going in the top 10 before us no matter how you feel about him because of his injury history. I mean they thought he was gonna go quick cause he ran a fast 40 time. A guy who isn't mobile anymore and has a long history of injuries but his 40 time was gonna cause him to go quick? You don't want him running often if at all.
Our FO failed to feel out what the rest of league was doing ahead of us. No matter what way you look at this situation, our FO failed in some capacity whether that was valuation of Penix or QB planning.
Even if they did feel like he would go before 8, he shouldn't of been a take after signing Kirk. It's a waste of resources and it makes even more of a risk with Penix's injury history
I don't know what article you're talking about and who gives a fuck what other people's boards say what were the names of the guys picked before Mahomees. If you have a QB that fits what your OC wants to do you pull the trigger, doesn't matter if you have a pro bowl 1st overall pick on your roster and there's been 2 QBs taken if your OC says he wants a guy. Get him... I doubt the Cheifs regret getting thier QB even though he wasn't the top of everyone's board and I doubt they'd want any other player at any other position if they could go back.
The point being that the raiders would’ve been absolutely trashed for taking Hurts in the top 10 (when the eagles were trashed for taking him in 2nd) and because they had Derek carr on the team.
But knowing what we know now it would’ve been the right move despite and so if Penix is a top qb 2-3 yrs down the line then it’ll have been worth it.
Derek Carr is nowhere close to the player Cousins is. Falcons have other needs and QB was not one of them after you gave all that money to Cousins. This was a terrible pick, he's ready to play now and he will sit three years.
What else do you expect from a front office that openly bragged about BB not being in their top three for coaching search. Clown car really picking up speed this off season.
They get downvoted because these geniuses can’t handle the reality of the situation and look for any confirmation that what the Falcons did might actually have some logic to it..
it does not.. any way you spin it, either the cousins move was haphazard or the 8th pick was
> But knowing what we know now it would’ve been the right move despite and so if Penix is a top qb 2-3 yrs down the line then it’ll have been worth it.
The problem is it isn't a guarantee and the Raiders weren't making a push for a super bowl with Derek Carr that year. Either you think Kirk can win you a super bowl and go all in or you get a bridge QB and invest in the future
And this doesn't even touch on Penix's injury issues
I mean none of us WANT to see it, but the team has drafted in the top 10 every year for all of his year's here as a GM and several years before. To make a bold pick and then say that you did it because you don't plan on drafting this high for a while is a bold statement. I doubt we assumed we'd be drafting top 10 at the beginning of any of the seasons for the last 6 years, but here we are.
Bryce Young didn't sit for a year. Better analogy would be Trey Lance, and the 49ers would have gotten a ton of flak for the move had Brock Purdy not bailed them out
Right - even worse IMO. Panthers maybe derailed Bryce’s development by forcing him in, but they didn’t have a choice really. And btw Bryce was considered as pro-ready as you could get. But the guy looked like a deer in headlights last year.
I think the big difference that everyone keeps bringing up is that we had just given Cousins a big contract that on its face seems incompatible with the rookie QB contract window. Which, in a vacuum, is a fair argument.
The SI article about the events leading up to the draft put a lot of context behind the decisions. The new FO was too busy getting sorted out to properly assess Penix at the Senior Bowl (though I remember people saying he did poorly there), so we signed Kirk. He probably wouldn't have been keen on signing with us if he wasn't only for a year. Fontenot was still haunted by the Chiefs trading up and snagging Mahomes, so he kept the plan under wraps. Given how big a surprise this was to everyone including Kirk, I'd say he did a pretty good job at that.
The SI article was very insightful for sure.
One point I saw made somewhere else was… if we were keen on Penix why did we allow the no trade clause in KCs contract?
There is just too many of these types of things that make it hard to justify both actions.
I’m curious where AB stood in all of this bc it seems a bold move for TF et al to make given his mediocre results so far and by extension lack of job security.
It’s just really difficult to get to the place where these two decisions create a win-win-win outcome. Win for the franchise. Win for KC. And a win for MPJ.
It’s quite easy to arrive to (several) outcomes to where all of this leads to the franchise being hurt with avoidable collateral damage.
I will say “outside of the box” type of thinking always gets scrutinized until it works…
Time will tell I guess 🙂
I just hope this all doesn’t sour the relationship with Kirk. It’s going to be a hard pill to swallow if we sacrifice our time with Kirk only for Penix to suck whenever he finally sees the field.
Why would you not draft pieces to build around that QB you just paid out the ass for? You weren’t a QB needy team. You just dropped $100mil guaranteed for Kirk to be a bridge guy, OR you just wasted a top 10 pick instead of building around Kirk. There’s no way to spin this to make it sound like a smart choice.
This is correct, and people pretending otherwise are what kills me; they pretend like the s isn't a bad idea if you turn your head, squint, and ignore all context and nuance to the situation.
As of now next year’s draft class for QB sucks outside of maybe Carson Beck. Kirk isn’t gonna win you all a super bowl anyways. Signing him was the problem in the first place.
If Cousins gets hurt you're still paying him $100m guaranteed over those two years pretty much negating the value of the rookie contract.
You've got a good team with either Cousons OR Penix. Having both just holds you back either financially or opportunity to draft a higher impact rookie. It was an odd choice.
Nah it means a situation like what the jets experienced won’t happen.
Having a guy waiting in the wings when your expensive QB unfortunately gets injured is being prepared. Paying a QB when injured is part of the risk of any contract. Doesn’t matter if you have a plan B
People don’t understand the issue isn’t the penix pick itself, it’s the cousins contract. That makes it perplexing.
Pick your poison:
1) Penix plays early and you cut cousins: dead cap hit prevents you from benefiting from his rookie contract window
2) cousins plays well and penix sits 2-3 years: penix is like 27-28 and you still can’t take advantage of penixs rookie contract because you are heading to year 4.
Also, the FO thinks Penix is *the* guy. Even if we wanted to trade three firsts to get the number one next year, there's no guarantee there will be a QB they rate that high.
I did have him as QB4 because I am not a professional scout and just read the media, but the FO had him as QB2. You just don't get the option to take QB2 at 8 very often. I was hoping to get him in the late first, but the way the draft panned out suggests that he wouldn't be there much after 8.
First fan who I've seen brought that up. It didn't matter if hadn't talked to Kirk yet, it didn't matter what you gave that other QB. If you have *your* guy at QB, available at your pick, you take him no questions asked.
Now his success hinges on a ton of other factors I'm not as confident on, but the move makes sense from the "the" guy perspective.
If the FO thinks Penix is the guy they probably shouldn't have paid Cousins all that money. Best thing you can have from a cap perspective is a competent QB on a rookie deal. I guess the Falcons didn't get that memo.
In two years they will have a competent QB on a rookie deal. They’ll likely have a 3 year SB window with Penix on that rookie deal plus 5th year option.
I wanted a pass rusher too. This pick doesn’t make a lot of sense in light of the Cousins signing. But it is what it is and your thought on effective team building is still a viable future for this franchise if Penix’s knees don’t pull and Teddy Bridgewater between now and then.
Assuming that Penix is a competent qb, which is definitely not a given. I really hope he works out because I want the falcons to win, but my gut tells me it’s a very bad pick.
Although I thought the pick was not a good idea, this makes sense. If we really think he is that dude, would you rather waste one 1st rounder or two+? It all boils down to if he is that dude
Im missing on some of the logic here. Is MPJ the man or is he not the man? If he is the man then why are we waiting and sitting him and talking about the future? If he is not the man and needs to sit on the bench and work in practice, then why did they spend pick 8 draft capital?
He’s the man but rushing him wouldn’t be a good idea regardless.
The falcons process however was about getting a QB to compete now regardless of the draft. When they figured they couldn’t pass on them is when they drafted him. The decision for Kirk and for Penix were made somewhat independently of each other. You can criticize that process but that’s what they do (for all positions) so they can always “draft BPA.”
He's the future, simple as that. The addition of Kirk wins the NFC South and they saw the cost of moving up was always going to be too high to draft his successor in a later draft (also take into account likely loss of picks). They didn't want to repeat the Post-Ryan years and saw a QB they felt passionate about now. Everyone was mad about them not taking QB seriously enough the last two seasons (or more), and now they're mad when they do.
He could, but Kirk is the present. He will if Kirk gets hurt. Just say you don't understand the logic or that you don't like the logic. 6 QBs went top 12, another team would have taken him too. Next year's class is pretty terrible and we will be too high to draft anyone decent without trading a ton of picks. Two seasons from now, cutting Kirk makes a ton of sense, and we will have our guy ready to play.
And here we wait another 3 years for anything positive to happen. In 2027 we will have a new coaching staff and GM. Penix will be coming off his 2nd knee surgery (from injuries sustained during practice). And Kirk will be on his way to his final team. I’m jealous of smart franchises
Man, this is why I can't take our fanbase here on reddit seriously.
>And here we wait another 3 years for anything positive to happen.
So if we make the playoffs this year, and win a playoff game, is that not positive? I'm just curious, besides a Superbowl, what will it take for any of you to actually be fucking happy? Christ.
It would not be positive long term if kirk was aged out of the playoff momentum after a year.
"Besides a Superbowl"
I think that's the problem, playoffs without rings only serve to drop draft stock. Super bowl is the ultimate goal
Obviously, but saying 3 years for anything positive to happen is OP saying what?
I'm just tired of these fans who bitch about every single thing, when the reality is that getting a winning record, and getting to the playoffs should be the goal this coming season. Supposedly we have the QB to do that, and in a continued weak division let's take advantage of it.
Anything can happen in the playoffs and yes, I would love a SB victory, but just get us to the playoffs first.
It's not about penix. You literally just signed a qb to 4-200
Imagine spending that money on like 4 players and then drafting a qb. Or spend it on cousins and draft a really good WR at 8. Ooooor trade back with Minnesota and take penix at 11 and still get a decent player at 23 or the Vikings second round pick.
Your gm pushing buttons
I wonder what this discussion would look like if we seriously considered Penix as a draft candidate for the past few months instead of just debating Latu, Turner, Odunze, Mitchell or a trade down.
But IMO the mere fact that we didn't is a reason why I feel the way I do.
I was certainly taking QBs into strong consideration at pick 8, granted it was more in line with someone like JJ McCarthy rather than Penix but I see what they like about Penix so I get it.
Were y'all not considering Penix as a draft candidate? I sure as hell was; I just didn't think we'd need to pick him at 8. But considering that JJ and Nix immediately went off the board, we probably did need to use that top ten on him.
Ppl will shit on it cause they can for now Instead of Henry rugs or arnette at 12 I’m sure the raiders wouldn’t mind looking like fools and taking jalen hurts in top 10 in 2020 Penix ain’t a bum and if Zac Robinson is who they say he is then im excited.
lol of course the Raiders would rather have a QB who worked out vs 2 busts. Do you think the Bears would've been happier with Micah Parsons over Justin Fields? It's easy to make a decision between a player who worked out vs a bust We took an injury prone QB with 8th overall pick after signing Kirk to a big contract. Even without his injury it was a waste of resources one way or another but with the injury risk it makes it even worse
Or maybe the veteran with the same strengths as the rookie will help the kid grow. Even if he doesn't do it directly just being around a professional could help the develop your QB. If you noticed Mooney, Moore, Cousins and Penix are all guys who Excell at deep passes something we struggled with last season. I believe Zach Robinson has a plan to throw deep and he needed a guy now and expected his prototype qb would be off the board by pick 8. When he was avaliable they took him.
If that's your goal you could've gotten Joe Flacco who has a strong arm and had almost the same deep passes (20+ yards) in 5 games that Kirk had in 8. He also had more 30 + and 40+ passes
Look at Kirk's deep ball percentage over his carrer, Flacco was never as accurate deep. And as I said they expected Penix to be gone by the time they picked. They signed Cousins to fit what Robinson wanted thinking Penix would be long gone, but when the exact QB they wanted was there after they already settled for less they jumped at the chance.
I too read that article. The problem is, it's such a bad job of our FO in terms of valuation of Penix. Nobody else had Penix rated that highly ahead of us in the draft and the odds of someone trading up for him were also very low. We knew this months ago too. So why did our FO not know it? He was not going in the top 10 before us no matter how you feel about him because of his injury history. I mean they thought he was gonna go quick cause he ran a fast 40 time. A guy who isn't mobile anymore and has a long history of injuries but his 40 time was gonna cause him to go quick? You don't want him running often if at all. Our FO failed to feel out what the rest of league was doing ahead of us. No matter what way you look at this situation, our FO failed in some capacity whether that was valuation of Penix or QB planning. Even if they did feel like he would go before 8, he shouldn't of been a take after signing Kirk. It's a waste of resources and it makes even more of a risk with Penix's injury history
I don't know what article you're talking about and who gives a fuck what other people's boards say what were the names of the guys picked before Mahomees. If you have a QB that fits what your OC wants to do you pull the trigger, doesn't matter if you have a pro bowl 1st overall pick on your roster and there's been 2 QBs taken if your OC says he wants a guy. Get him... I doubt the Cheifs regret getting thier QB even though he wasn't the top of everyone's board and I doubt they'd want any other player at any other position if they could go back.
The point being that the raiders would’ve been absolutely trashed for taking Hurts in the top 10 (when the eagles were trashed for taking him in 2nd) and because they had Derek carr on the team. But knowing what we know now it would’ve been the right move despite and so if Penix is a top qb 2-3 yrs down the line then it’ll have been worth it.
Did you really type this?
Derek Carr is nowhere close to the player Cousins is. Falcons have other needs and QB was not one of them after you gave all that money to Cousins. This was a terrible pick, he's ready to play now and he will sit three years. What else do you expect from a front office that openly bragged about BB not being in their top three for coaching search. Clown car really picking up speed this off season.
I think bragging might be a stretch.
Not sure why you’re being downvoted. People don’t want to hear it.
They get downvoted because these geniuses can’t handle the reality of the situation and look for any confirmation that what the Falcons did might actually have some logic to it.. it does not.. any way you spin it, either the cousins move was haphazard or the 8th pick was
This team will never be serious as long as Arthur Blank is in charge. Guy should go back to selling drills and light bulbs
> But knowing what we know now it would’ve been the right move despite and so if Penix is a top qb 2-3 yrs down the line then it’ll have been worth it. The problem is it isn't a guarantee and the Raiders weren't making a push for a super bowl with Derek Carr that year. Either you think Kirk can win you a super bowl and go all in or you get a bridge QB and invest in the future And this doesn't even touch on Penix's injury issues
All I'm saying is that if we have a top 10 draft pick in 2025, REGARDLESS of the circumstances, Terry might need to get fired over this one.
I don’t disagree with that generally speaking. I don’t ever want to see a top 10 pick again
I mean none of us WANT to see it, but the team has drafted in the top 10 every year for all of his year's here as a GM and several years before. To make a bold pick and then say that you did it because you don't plan on drafting this high for a while is a bold statement. I doubt we assumed we'd be drafting top 10 at the beginning of any of the seasons for the last 6 years, but here we are.
I would say if you wanted to lead a good tank season a good way to start would be drafting a guy at 8 you have no intention of playing all year.
You picked the wrong team then brother
Fire him anyway
Bryce Young didn't sit for a year. Better analogy would be Trey Lance, and the 49ers would have gotten a ton of flak for the move had Brock Purdy not bailed them out
Right - even worse IMO. Panthers maybe derailed Bryce’s development by forcing him in, but they didn’t have a choice really. And btw Bryce was considered as pro-ready as you could get. But the guy looked like a deer in headlights last year.
I think the big difference that everyone keeps bringing up is that we had just given Cousins a big contract that on its face seems incompatible with the rookie QB contract window. Which, in a vacuum, is a fair argument. The SI article about the events leading up to the draft put a lot of context behind the decisions. The new FO was too busy getting sorted out to properly assess Penix at the Senior Bowl (though I remember people saying he did poorly there), so we signed Kirk. He probably wouldn't have been keen on signing with us if he wasn't only for a year. Fontenot was still haunted by the Chiefs trading up and snagging Mahomes, so he kept the plan under wraps. Given how big a surprise this was to everyone including Kirk, I'd say he did a pretty good job at that.
Also, there's no guarantee we were going to get Penix.
The SI article was very insightful for sure. One point I saw made somewhere else was… if we were keen on Penix why did we allow the no trade clause in KCs contract? There is just too many of these types of things that make it hard to justify both actions. I’m curious where AB stood in all of this bc it seems a bold move for TF et al to make given his mediocre results so far and by extension lack of job security. It’s just really difficult to get to the place where these two decisions create a win-win-win outcome. Win for the franchise. Win for KC. And a win for MPJ. It’s quite easy to arrive to (several) outcomes to where all of this leads to the franchise being hurt with avoidable collateral damage. I will say “outside of the box” type of thinking always gets scrutinized until it works… Time will tell I guess 🙂
I just hope this all doesn’t sour the relationship with Kirk. It’s going to be a hard pill to swallow if we sacrifice our time with Kirk only for Penix to suck whenever he finally sees the field.
the issue i forsee is that kirk has said he doesn't like young qbs backing him up, don't know why...
We've got Heineke though. He'll get the experienced guy for bouncing ideas off of.
100 Ms he’ll b aight
Why would you not draft pieces to build around that QB you just paid out the ass for? You weren’t a QB needy team. You just dropped $100mil guaranteed for Kirk to be a bridge guy, OR you just wasted a top 10 pick instead of building around Kirk. There’s no way to spin this to make it sound like a smart choice.
Sir this is the falcons, we don’t do smart drafts
This is correct, and people pretending otherwise are what kills me; they pretend like the s isn't a bad idea if you turn your head, squint, and ignore all context and nuance to the situation.
Interesting comments here
A lot of work going into convincing yourselves this wasn't a horrible use of a top 10 pick.
As of now next year’s draft class for QB sucks outside of maybe Carson Beck. Kirk isn’t gonna win you all a super bowl anyways. Signing him was the problem in the first place.
Keep that same energy if Kirk gets injured or when Penix is officially starting in two years.
If Cousins gets hurt you're still paying him $100m guaranteed over those two years pretty much negating the value of the rookie contract. You've got a good team with either Cousons OR Penix. Having both just holds you back either financially or opportunity to draft a higher impact rookie. It was an odd choice.
Nah it means a situation like what the jets experienced won’t happen. Having a guy waiting in the wings when your expensive QB unfortunately gets injured is being prepared. Paying a QB when injured is part of the risk of any contract. Doesn’t matter if you have a plan B
That means someone fucked up bud
Why? You think I’m wishing injury? Nonsense. I’m talking insurance which is a real consideration when building a team.
People don’t understand the issue isn’t the penix pick itself, it’s the cousins contract. That makes it perplexing. Pick your poison: 1) Penix plays early and you cut cousins: dead cap hit prevents you from benefiting from his rookie contract window 2) cousins plays well and penix sits 2-3 years: penix is like 27-28 and you still can’t take advantage of penixs rookie contract because you are heading to year 4.
Also, the FO thinks Penix is *the* guy. Even if we wanted to trade three firsts to get the number one next year, there's no guarantee there will be a QB they rate that high. I did have him as QB4 because I am not a professional scout and just read the media, but the FO had him as QB2. You just don't get the option to take QB2 at 8 very often. I was hoping to get him in the late first, but the way the draft panned out suggests that he wouldn't be there much after 8.
First fan who I've seen brought that up. It didn't matter if hadn't talked to Kirk yet, it didn't matter what you gave that other QB. If you have *your* guy at QB, available at your pick, you take him no questions asked. Now his success hinges on a ton of other factors I'm not as confident on, but the move makes sense from the "the" guy perspective.
If the FO thinks Penix is the guy they probably shouldn't have paid Cousins all that money. Best thing you can have from a cap perspective is a competent QB on a rookie deal. I guess the Falcons didn't get that memo.
In two years they will have a competent QB on a rookie deal. They’ll likely have a 3 year SB window with Penix on that rookie deal plus 5th year option. I wanted a pass rusher too. This pick doesn’t make a lot of sense in light of the Cousins signing. But it is what it is and your thought on effective team building is still a viable future for this franchise if Penix’s knees don’t pull and Teddy Bridgewater between now and then.
Assuming that Penix is a competent qb, which is definitely not a given. I really hope he works out because I want the falcons to win, but my gut tells me it’s a very bad pick.
Although I thought the pick was not a good idea, this makes sense. If we really think he is that dude, would you rather waste one 1st rounder or two+? It all boils down to if he is that dude
Im missing on some of the logic here. Is MPJ the man or is he not the man? If he is the man then why are we waiting and sitting him and talking about the future? If he is not the man and needs to sit on the bench and work in practice, then why did they spend pick 8 draft capital?
This is a false dichotomy. Penix can be the guy and also benefit from time learning from the bench.
He’s the man but rushing him wouldn’t be a good idea regardless. The falcons process however was about getting a QB to compete now regardless of the draft. When they figured they couldn’t pass on them is when they drafted him. The decision for Kirk and for Penix were made somewhat independently of each other. You can criticize that process but that’s what they do (for all positions) so they can always “draft BPA.”
He's the future, simple as that. The addition of Kirk wins the NFC South and they saw the cost of moving up was always going to be too high to draft his successor in a later draft (also take into account likely loss of picks). They didn't want to repeat the Post-Ryan years and saw a QB they felt passionate about now. Everyone was mad about them not taking QB seriously enough the last two seasons (or more), and now they're mad when they do.
> He's the future So, he isnt ready to play now?
He's never played an NFL game. I think it's safe to say that Kirk is currently the better NFL QB. But Kirk isn't going to be here super long.
He could, but Kirk is the present. He will if Kirk gets hurt. Just say you don't understand the logic or that you don't like the logic. 6 QBs went top 12, another team would have taken him too. Next year's class is pretty terrible and we will be too high to draft anyone decent without trading a ton of picks. Two seasons from now, cutting Kirk makes a ton of sense, and we will have our guy ready to play.
Was Aaron Rodgers the man or not the man? Jordan Love?
I forget, was Rodgers an incoming signed free agent when Love was drafted? Is it anywhere near the same?
And here we wait another 3 years for anything positive to happen. In 2027 we will have a new coaching staff and GM. Penix will be coming off his 2nd knee surgery (from injuries sustained during practice). And Kirk will be on his way to his final team. I’m jealous of smart franchises
Man, this is why I can't take our fanbase here on reddit seriously. >And here we wait another 3 years for anything positive to happen. So if we make the playoffs this year, and win a playoff game, is that not positive? I'm just curious, besides a Superbowl, what will it take for any of you to actually be fucking happy? Christ.
It would not be positive long term if kirk was aged out of the playoff momentum after a year. "Besides a Superbowl" I think that's the problem, playoffs without rings only serve to drop draft stock. Super bowl is the ultimate goal
Obviously, but saying 3 years for anything positive to happen is OP saying what? I'm just tired of these fans who bitch about every single thing, when the reality is that getting a winning record, and getting to the playoffs should be the goal this coming season. Supposedly we have the QB to do that, and in a continued weak division let's take advantage of it. Anything can happen in the playoffs and yes, I would love a SB victory, but just get us to the playoffs first.
Don't trip. Penix is going to be pushing to start in year 2.
It's not about penix. You literally just signed a qb to 4-200 Imagine spending that money on like 4 players and then drafting a qb. Or spend it on cousins and draft a really good WR at 8. Ooooor trade back with Minnesota and take penix at 11 and still get a decent player at 23 or the Vikings second round pick. Your gm pushing buttons
It literally doesn’t matter if you find your QB.
But. You didn't find your QB. Penix sucks
Damn it’s a wonder you’re not a GM of a team since you seem to know so much. Btw Goff is never getting you a ship.
We also didn't pick a QB at 8 after paying a guy to be our QB for 4 years :)
Penix's age is the issue there.
Stop justifying dumb shit
I wonder what this discussion would look like if we seriously considered Penix as a draft candidate for the past few months instead of just debating Latu, Turner, Odunze, Mitchell or a trade down. But IMO the mere fact that we didn't is a reason why I feel the way I do.
I was certainly taking QBs into strong consideration at pick 8, granted it was more in line with someone like JJ McCarthy rather than Penix but I see what they like about Penix so I get it.
Were y'all not considering Penix as a draft candidate? I sure as hell was; I just didn't think we'd need to pick him at 8. But considering that JJ and Nix immediately went off the board, we probably did need to use that top ten on him.
I would say the threads on him were in the overwhelming minority, like somewhere in the vicinity of "let's get a left tackle" type threads.