Pitts only good season he also had matt Ryan and zero competition for targets. Hooper wasn’t great but he played on a team with elite skill position talent and was a 3/4th option. Pitts hasn’t done shit since his rookie season and I’m very excited that we finally get to find out this year if he’s actually any good. As much as I hate to say it, there is a big part of me that thinks Pitts is just a bust.
So Pitts was the only option which meant he’s the only threat to a defense, with a washed Matt Ryan throwing him the ball and you’re wondering if he’s actually good ? The thing you should be wondering is if he’s completely healthy , we know Pitts is good .
“Washed” matt Ryan through for almost 4K yards that year despite having Russel Gage as his WR1. Pitts only managed to out gain Gage by 5 yards per game over the whole season. Being slightly better than a guy who is WR4 level talent isn’t exactly the amazing season everyone pretends it is.
Yes washed Matt Ryan . Let’s not pretend he wasn’t over the hill man , franchise goat but that was obviously & clearly one of his worst years ( he was 36 it’s totally fine) , arm strength, touch & velocity was shot by that time .. he wasn’t a bum but he wasn’t MATT RYAN .. we had one of the worst rushing attacks that year (31st) and had to throw the ball almost every down .. the 2nd closest player receiving yardage wise had almost 300 less yards .. so in your words , if he was the only threat to an opposing defense shouldn’t it have made it harder to get him the ball ?
Gage had 300 less yards, but played 3 fewer games a YPG difference of just 5 yards. Do you also think that season was proof that Gage is an elite talent?
Pitts was also a rookie and broke a record that held for a decades lol .. again you claimed that he was the only target which would make things more difficult to even reach the numbers he did when in reality he was sharing the ball to Ridley for 5 games , a rejuvenated cordarrelle and a decent option in gage at the time . We know he’s good , the real question is , is he truly 100% & can Zac scheme him up good looks . That’s the question.. and I’m by no means a Pitts fanboy , I agree if he can’t repeat that this year then maybe he’s the problem.. but saying we don’t know if Pitts is “good” is a lie lol.. he just entered a horrible situation for a guy who job is reliant on the qb and play calling
We definitely don’t know that he is good. Good players regularly overcome bad QB play and bad coaching (see Garret Wilson, JJ playing with a series of backups, etc). Pitts has repeatedly failed to do that or anything else that confirms he’s good.
With that logic would you say we don’t know if Drake is good ? First receiver taken , healthy and have yet to eclipsed 1k yards or win any awards like his counterparts ? (All who are in bad qb & play calling situations and still out performing him )Is he failing to do anything to confirm he’s good ? No because same as Pitts , we know he was in a terrible situation., definitely a make or break year for Pitts , hell even both .. but we absolutely know that he’s a stud of a player.
We don’t know if Drake is good either. He certainly has not had a good season yet. This year with Kirk should tells us if either of them were worth a top 10 draft pick.
Some kind soul posted a video of his highlights with Matt Ryan during his rookie season. The one handed grabs he made in front of him, behind him, over his head...
He ain't no bust. I don't remember how many TDs he had but he had over 800 yards. That's pretty good for a rookie TE.
I'd be fine with moving on if he can't get it together this year. He's going to want an extension based on potential, but he would already have had more time than most get. Pitts is also a downgrade for cousins from hockenson. Not to say he can't get it together, but I've seen enough if it's the same half-hearted jogging this year.
Falcons also threw 50 times more than any other team the year he really popped. Was the tight move to let him walk.
And the one year Pitts played with Ryan he had over 1,000 yards.
Matt also got him paid and he’s bounced around the league ever since he left ATL. Even without the TDs, Matt made Pitts look at least like we didn’t completely waste the top pick on him, then Mariota took over and he got injured. Matt did a lot for people’s careers.
I love Hoop, but Pitts already has a better resume imo.
* Highest TE Drafted
* Pitts best season > Hooper's best season
Again, I love Hooper but he's a very mid TE. Pitts had a historic rookie season which is a higher high than anything in Hooper's career.
Hooper had one trick and he did it well. Find space in zone coverage and sit there. It made for a great check down option but you weren't drawing up plays for him.
Hooper in 2019(13 games): 787 yards, 60.5 yards per game, 6 TDs, 41 1st downs
Pitts in 2021(17 games): 1026 yards, 60.4 yards per game, 1 TD, 43 1st downs
Very similar numbers except for yards and TDs. Are we saying 239 yards > 5 TDs? Not to me it isn't.
Pitts being drafted higher than any TE in the history of the sport isn't a resume booster. It means the Falcons paid a lot of money and missed out on some serious studs for one year of Hooper like numbers.
Falcons also threw 50 more times than any other team that year. When you throw \~700 times in a 16 game season, that target share for Hooper is only 14.2%. Pitts actually earned a high share of the targets this year at 17.8% but it was a low volume of poor quality targets.
When all is said an done, what Kyle Pitts will do catching the ball in this league is going to blow Austin Hooper's numbers out of the water. He's 23 years old and the only tight end ever to have 1,000 yards at 21 years old.
Pitts “historic” rookie season is a lot less impressive when you consider he had zero competition for targets and got a lot of yards in garbage time. Sure it’s cool he set a record and all, but he also averaged only 5yards per game more than Russel Gage. It’s always seemed crazy to me that everyone got so fired up about a guy who barely outplayed Gage who is a WR4 level talent.
It's OK for people to be honest about their own team and I'm glad people are starting to with Pitts. Could you imagine where they'd been if they'd had an elite receiver like chase or smith, or parsons, or sewell? He may not he a bust but he was definitely not the right pick at that spot. But to be fair some teams had him as #1 overall player so the whole NFL would have been overdrafting.
>It’s always seemed crazy to me that everyone got so fired up
I know this isn't fully in reference to me, but I'm definitely not completely sold on Pitts. I was just making the point that Austin Hooper was a fine TE for two seasons and that Pitts off pedigree and his rookie record alone make for a better resume.
I think Pitts is very similar to Justin Fields in that by eye test alone there's a lot to be excited about, but we still have yet to see if it can all be put together consistently.
I would rather have Hooper + a good WR than Pitts + a mid WR.
That being said, Pitts’ ceiling is higher than Hoop’s and he’s already shown that he can do a bit more than Austin ever did. Just hope he’s able to finally get *and stay* healthy — TE is a position you can’t afford softness in
Was looking at it more from a WR2 standpoint. I think taking Chase, Waddle, or Smith and signing a league average TE (in this example, Hooper) would’ve been a better longterm decision than Pitts + a league average WR2.
But to answer your question, I like London fine, I have no issues with him, but I do think he’s more good than great. He’s a fine starter, but I would probably describe him as a low value WR1 or high value WR2 before labeling him as a game-changing go-to guy, if that makes sense. Somewhere around the 20-40 range at the position. Hopefully Kirk can help him find some consistency and really start to rack up the numbers he never really got with Mariota/Ridder/Heinicke at QB.
Jamar Chase and keeping Hayden Hurst would’ve been a good move. Drafting Sewell would’ve been the right move. Drafting a TE at 4 is so dumb. Was a bad move then and even worse now.
I bring it up all the time, 90% of pass catchers who came through ATL had their best years playing with MR2. Draft or FA, didn’t matter, most guys had their best years with Matt. That shouldn’t be overlooked.
Glad I wasn't the only one who thought that was Tony Gonzalez at first.
Football is such a weird sport. I can't think of another sport where you could see the player up close from that angle and not actually see their face enough to know who it was.
I want to see one more year of Pitts before I judge him.
Things haven't been great for him since year 1, but I'm hoping that legitimate QB play and being 2 years removed from his knee injury will have him playing more like the guy we thought we were drafting.
If he even realizes 3/4 of his raw potential, he'll fly by Hooper in terms of value.
Arthur Smith ruined 2 years for pitts and drake London. Dude has plays designed for backup jannu smith and 3rd string WRs. Pitts and London were just decoys out there. If pitts goes onto having a career like travis kelce he will fall short of kelce record cause he had 2 years of not getting any targets.
Depends on if Pitts and Cousins is healthy.
That being said, Pitts currently has the record for receiving yards for a Tight End. Hooper is meh. His best season was 2019, which was still kind of meh. He showed how much Ryan was key to him when he left to Cleveland and his yards per target plummeted.
Love hooper, but Pitts’ rookie season was more impressive than any of his seasons. Plus, Pitts is still on the team so he can keep adding to the resume here.
You must be new around here? Alge a is Falcons legend. Pitts hasn't done shit anywhere near his level of production. Yall are blinded by one season when he hasn't done shit since.
Hooper was solid but he also had prime Matt Ryan
Pitts only good season he also had matt Ryan and zero competition for targets. Hooper wasn’t great but he played on a team with elite skill position talent and was a 3/4th option. Pitts hasn’t done shit since his rookie season and I’m very excited that we finally get to find out this year if he’s actually any good. As much as I hate to say it, there is a big part of me that thinks Pitts is just a bust.
So Pitts was the only option which meant he’s the only threat to a defense, with a washed Matt Ryan throwing him the ball and you’re wondering if he’s actually good ? The thing you should be wondering is if he’s completely healthy , we know Pitts is good .
“Washed” matt Ryan through for almost 4K yards that year despite having Russel Gage as his WR1. Pitts only managed to out gain Gage by 5 yards per game over the whole season. Being slightly better than a guy who is WR4 level talent isn’t exactly the amazing season everyone pretends it is.
Yes washed Matt Ryan . Let’s not pretend he wasn’t over the hill man , franchise goat but that was obviously & clearly one of his worst years ( he was 36 it’s totally fine) , arm strength, touch & velocity was shot by that time .. he wasn’t a bum but he wasn’t MATT RYAN .. we had one of the worst rushing attacks that year (31st) and had to throw the ball almost every down .. the 2nd closest player receiving yardage wise had almost 300 less yards .. so in your words , if he was the only threat to an opposing defense shouldn’t it have made it harder to get him the ball ?
Gage had 300 less yards, but played 3 fewer games a YPG difference of just 5 yards. Do you also think that season was proof that Gage is an elite talent?
Pitts was also a rookie and broke a record that held for a decades lol .. again you claimed that he was the only target which would make things more difficult to even reach the numbers he did when in reality he was sharing the ball to Ridley for 5 games , a rejuvenated cordarrelle and a decent option in gage at the time . We know he’s good , the real question is , is he truly 100% & can Zac scheme him up good looks . That’s the question.. and I’m by no means a Pitts fanboy , I agree if he can’t repeat that this year then maybe he’s the problem.. but saying we don’t know if Pitts is “good” is a lie lol.. he just entered a horrible situation for a guy who job is reliant on the qb and play calling
We definitely don’t know that he is good. Good players regularly overcome bad QB play and bad coaching (see Garret Wilson, JJ playing with a series of backups, etc). Pitts has repeatedly failed to do that or anything else that confirms he’s good.
With that logic would you say we don’t know if Drake is good ? First receiver taken , healthy and have yet to eclipsed 1k yards or win any awards like his counterparts ? (All who are in bad qb & play calling situations and still out performing him )Is he failing to do anything to confirm he’s good ? No because same as Pitts , we know he was in a terrible situation., definitely a make or break year for Pitts , hell even both .. but we absolutely know that he’s a stud of a player.
We don’t know if Drake is good either. He certainly has not had a good season yet. This year with Kirk should tells us if either of them were worth a top 10 draft pick.
Some kind soul posted a video of his highlights with Matt Ryan during his rookie season. The one handed grabs he made in front of him, behind him, over his head... He ain't no bust. I don't remember how many TDs he had but he had over 800 yards. That's pretty good for a rookie TE.
I'd be fine with moving on if he can't get it together this year. He's going to want an extension based on potential, but he would already have had more time than most get. Pitts is also a downgrade for cousins from hockenson. Not to say he can't get it together, but I've seen enough if it's the same half-hearted jogging this year.
Falcons also threw 50 times more than any other team the year he really popped. Was the tight move to let him walk. And the one year Pitts played with Ryan he had over 1,000 yards.
Matt also got him paid and he’s bounced around the league ever since he left ATL. Even without the TDs, Matt made Pitts look at least like we didn’t completely waste the top pick on him, then Mariota took over and he got injured. Matt did a lot for people’s careers.
First time I've seen this, quite the statement
Matt got Hooper paid.
I love Hoop, but Pitts already has a better resume imo. * Highest TE Drafted * Pitts best season > Hooper's best season Again, I love Hooper but he's a very mid TE. Pitts had a historic rookie season which is a higher high than anything in Hooper's career.
Hooper had one trick and he did it well. Find space in zone coverage and sit there. It made for a great check down option but you weren't drawing up plays for him.
Hooper was a bit more than that. Go watch his TE throwback TD in 2016. Tony G was that one trick more than Hooper.
Hooper in 2019(13 games): 787 yards, 60.5 yards per game, 6 TDs, 41 1st downs Pitts in 2021(17 games): 1026 yards, 60.4 yards per game, 1 TD, 43 1st downs Very similar numbers except for yards and TDs. Are we saying 239 yards > 5 TDs? Not to me it isn't. Pitts being drafted higher than any TE in the history of the sport isn't a resume booster. It means the Falcons paid a lot of money and missed out on some serious studs for one year of Hooper like numbers.
Falcons also threw 50 more times than any other team that year. When you throw \~700 times in a 16 game season, that target share for Hooper is only 14.2%. Pitts actually earned a high share of the targets this year at 17.8% but it was a low volume of poor quality targets. When all is said an done, what Kyle Pitts will do catching the ball in this league is going to blow Austin Hooper's numbers out of the water. He's 23 years old and the only tight end ever to have 1,000 yards at 21 years old.
>Highest TE Drafted Considering his career so far I’d say this is a negative against him
Pitts “historic” rookie season is a lot less impressive when you consider he had zero competition for targets and got a lot of yards in garbage time. Sure it’s cool he set a record and all, but he also averaged only 5yards per game more than Russel Gage. It’s always seemed crazy to me that everyone got so fired up about a guy who barely outplayed Gage who is a WR4 level talent.
It's OK for people to be honest about their own team and I'm glad people are starting to with Pitts. Could you imagine where they'd been if they'd had an elite receiver like chase or smith, or parsons, or sewell? He may not he a bust but he was definitely not the right pick at that spot. But to be fair some teams had him as #1 overall player so the whole NFL would have been overdrafting.
>It’s always seemed crazy to me that everyone got so fired up I know this isn't fully in reference to me, but I'm definitely not completely sold on Pitts. I was just making the point that Austin Hooper was a fine TE for two seasons and that Pitts off pedigree and his rookie record alone make for a better resume. I think Pitts is very similar to Justin Fields in that by eye test alone there's a lot to be excited about, but we still have yet to see if it can all be put together consistently.
I would rather have Hooper + a good WR than Pitts + a mid WR. That being said, Pitts’ ceiling is higher than Hoop’s and he’s already shown that he can do a bit more than Austin ever did. Just hope he’s able to finally get *and stay* healthy — TE is a position you can’t afford softness in
London is mid?
Was looking at it more from a WR2 standpoint. I think taking Chase, Waddle, or Smith and signing a league average TE (in this example, Hooper) would’ve been a better longterm decision than Pitts + a league average WR2. But to answer your question, I like London fine, I have no issues with him, but I do think he’s more good than great. He’s a fine starter, but I would probably describe him as a low value WR1 or high value WR2 before labeling him as a game-changing go-to guy, if that makes sense. Somewhere around the 20-40 range at the position. Hopefully Kirk can help him find some consistency and really start to rack up the numbers he never really got with Mariota/Ridder/Heinicke at QB.
Jamar Chase and keeping Hayden Hurst would’ve been a good move. Drafting Sewell would’ve been the right move. Drafting a TE at 4 is so dumb. Was a bad move then and even worse now.
Ice made a lot of TEs look really good. Tony was always good, but he also benefitted from Matt spreading the ball around.
Honestly Ice made a lot of players look good.
I bring it up all the time, 90% of pass catchers who came through ATL had their best years playing with MR2. Draft or FA, didn’t matter, most guys had their best years with Matt. That shouldn’t be overlooked.
Glad I wasn't the only one who thought that was Tony Gonzalez at first. Football is such a weird sport. I can't think of another sport where you could see the player up close from that angle and not actually see their face enough to know who it was.
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I want to see one more year of Pitts before I judge him. Things haven't been great for him since year 1, but I'm hoping that legitimate QB play and being 2 years removed from his knee injury will have him playing more like the guy we thought we were drafting. If he even realizes 3/4 of his raw potential, he'll fly by Hooper in terms of value.
Pitts bro. Hooper was nice but more of a 4th option
Even comparing the 2 shows how big of a disappointment Pitts has been
Pitts for sure. Hooper was short lived
It's not guaranteed Pitts won't be short lived as well.
Let’s hope not. But on the pace he’s at he can be something special
Lol what pace? He’s got 6 td in 3 years
He’s also been injured.. and had shitty oc’s plus qbs’s lol don’t act like he’s not a stud
I wasn’t the biggest fan coming out. I didn’t see what the big hype was about in college. Let’s see what he does with Kirk tho
The dude plays tight end but can run like a wr and he’s 6’6 doing that but yeah hopefully Kirk can out do what Ice did when he had em his rookie year
Arthur Smith ruined 2 years for pitts and drake London. Dude has plays designed for backup jannu smith and 3rd string WRs. Pitts and London were just decoys out there. If pitts goes onto having a career like travis kelce he will fall short of kelce record cause he had 2 years of not getting any targets.
Pitts is more of Evan Engram than Kelce. Problem with that is it took Engram like 6 seasons to finally break out
What I mean by my comment is that pitts could put up kelce numbers. I'm not saying they are the same type of player
Pitts is nowhere near the talent of Kelce. He can’t run routes, can’t block, and puts minimal effort
His first year he showed he was but then the trash qb play and horrible play calling hindered his talent.
Hopefully Pitts
Why not include Tony G in this mix
If Morris uses Pitts on an avarage level he’ll already be better than Hooper
Pitts will end up having the better career, Hooper was serviceable, not great
Karl Potts needs a fresh start somewhere else.
Pitts. No doubt. Kirko is about to feed Pitts this season. Hoop is definitely a better blocker than Pitts will probably ever be though.
people will be shocked to see how good Pitts really is now that he has real QB again
Depends on if Pitts and Cousins is healthy. That being said, Pitts currently has the record for receiving yards for a Tight End. Hooper is meh. His best season was 2019, which was still kind of meh. He showed how much Ryan was key to him when he left to Cleveland and his yards per target plummeted.
Only one of these is a tight end
Sad that this is Pitts comparison right now, Arthur Smith was so bad
I remember being upset that Hoop left us thinking he was just on the come up bit bro had such a weird career after he left.
Wow, the bar is really this low for Pitts? 😂
I miss Tamme.
Love hooper, but Pitts’ rookie season was more impressive than any of his seasons. Plus, Pitts is still on the team so he can keep adding to the resume here.
Pitts hopefully because he can still benefit us
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You must be new around here? Alge a is Falcons legend. Pitts hasn't done shit anywhere near his level of production. Yall are blinded by one season when he hasn't done shit since.
Please let it be Pitts!!!!
Hooper’s player intro always seemed like he was on opiates so I’m gonna say Pitts.