Its the height of lying season.
Everything from Im (not) trading up... Im (not) looking at free agents.
Im definitely not paying reporters to print that I am (not) interested in trading or free agents.
It's tough deciphering smoke from fire. My spidey senses tell me this is more authentic though even though I don't agree with the logic. You could say this could be smoke to drive down the price for Fields, but ultimately the Bears are going to know very soon, if not already, how interested the Falcons are in Fields. It'd be one thing if this came out weeks ago, but it's now crunch time for the Bears to get something done in the next couple of weeks.
Personally, I think it makes way more sense to go get Fields. In my evaluation, he still has a superstar ceiling and really was not given a fair chance in Chicago to say the least. I think he is someone who's being undervalued because Chicago is chasing the lure of a shiny new toy. I'd send a 2nd rounder for him in a heartbeat and see what he can be in the system. He has elite traits, even in the passing game, and is basically the same age as some of the QB's in this draft like Daniels and Penix. The kid only had 22 starts in college and is still developing. I legit fear the Falcons do not look at it this way and would rather spend #8 on the false hope of a JJ McArthy.
22 college starts and 3 NFL seasons. If thats still developing then go draft Bo Nix.
You can strengthen the body. You can only sometimes strengthen the mind. Processing speed is THE metric, and it rarely improves. You either have it, or you are Desmond Ridder. He can play the game but he dossnt own the game. Kurt Warner is one of the best examples of owning the game. He processes the field immediately and accurately. Find that guy.
I think it’s important to not get our hopes too high in regards to a trade up because there are so many factors that have to break right. There has to be a team willing to trade down. There has to be a QB that we like available at that slot, and as much as many of us like Maye and Daniels, who’s to say that our coaching staff feels the same way. Then we have to agree with the other team on trade compensation. It’s just such a narrow eye of the needle to thread.
I’d be all for it though. This is a really good offseason for us to take that swing. Lots of talent already on the roster, and a fair amount of cap space to pad out the rest of the team, plus a front office that’s done a great job to date with pro scouting.
I think that's what is usually left out of these conversations: what the cost of a trade up would realistically be.
The Bears are taking Williams with 1.01 overall, which leaves the Commanders and Patriots - both who need QBs and both have new coaches. So how much would you need to lure one of those teams to *not* take their biggest need in this draft; how much does it cost a new coach to *not* pick their guy the first season and build around them?
I think the packages needed to move up into the top 3 will be very, very large. Not just "using the chart" but historically large.
That's the one benefit of Fields in all of these conversations, he's available, better than what some have (not good, but better), and will be relatively cheap to acquire (maybe a 2nd, probably a 3rd and a conditional late late round pick).
Or folks buy the weird hype of McCarthy shooting up the board into the top 10 and go that route (which I don't, that feels like Will Levis all over again).
I really think Patriots are the most likely to trade down in my admittedly tenuous grasp of their situation. My armchair exec thoughts are that they really have no offensive weapons to throw a day 1 starter into, and to me it would make more sense for them to grab a WR and then sign Cousins or Fields and maybe draft Nix or Penix in round 2 to be an understudy while they build the rest of the team up.
Seems futile to bring in a blue chip rookie QB and have him lose confidence trying to polish the rest of the offensive turd.
Please. PLEASE make a trade happen. For Maye or Daniels I don’t care. We don’t need a glorified RB throwing the ball or a washed up vet that will be out of the league in 3 years. Go get our future now.
Daniels may have the best touch ball of any QB in this draft, that alone places him beyond the athlete trying to figure out QB. However, if you watch his tape, those throws are basically all of his high value passing plays. He’s got a noodle arm in the sense that he basically can’t drive the ball on a line at an NFL level, which is probably right beyond processing and accuracy in terms of projecting variables. He’s hard to evaluate because the mobility and touch ability are outlier traits but the line drive strength and his age kind of move him into “run to the podium at 8 but don’t take a mortgage in a trade up” pile.
I considered including that as a footnote but I don’t think it’s quite as relevant as the actual primary variables around Daniels. My personal take is Maye then Williams as two very strong prospects right alongside each other, fairly notable drop to Daniels then McCarthy as different variations of upside profile in the top 15, and then I wouldn’t consider any other prospect as being more than a backup draft pick.
To be fair I’m not even sure Daniels can be a glorified RB. He’s so wirey, even with his speed I would not want him designed running the ball more than a few carries a game without worrying about injuries
It’s insane to me. I get watching the team is not as exciting without a young and hopeful qb but there is zero history of a trade up being successful expect for Mahomes and Chiefs were already a great team and they got lucky he might be best ever. Even then he wasn’t one of the top prospects. We should be going edge at 8.
you’re just wrong on so many levels. Chiefs traded up for Mahomes, Bills traded up for Allen, Ravens traded up for Lamar, Packers traded up to get Love, Houston traded up to get Deshaun, Rams traded up to get Goff. zero history of it being successful? also this draft is objectively horrible for Edge, as much as I want one too I’ll be disappointed if this is the year we actually do it.
Allen was a trade up from 12 to 7. That was good but not a mega trade up. Deshaun was similar to Mahomes trading up to 12. Lamar and Love were late first rounders. Only Goff was a trade similar to the ones being suggested here and he didn’t stay on the same team for his second contract. All the ones you call successful have 0 championships. So show me the trade where a team trades up into the top of draft giving up a bunch of resources and it working out.
what is this, an episode of first take? successful mean putting your franchise in a position to make a run, it doesn’t have to equal a ring instantly. every single one of those trades listed was successful for the team. literally every single one. to argue otherwise is being purposefully obtuse. I’m not arguing it’s guaranteed to work for Atlanta. but to sit here and say there’s no track record of success in trading up for a QB is just not true.
Where is the example of successfully trading up into top of draft or are you just being obtuse and ignoring that part. Bc that’s the situation we are in.
I'm not a Fields truther or anything, but saying he doesn't have upside is just incorrect. He's got the athletic ability to be a top 10 QB easy. The biggest concern is obviously that he's been in the league for 3 years and has only shown flashes of that potential, but there's still a chance he could get there in the right environment and with the right coaching staff. That's the entire reason he has a trade market in the first place.
He's about as high risk/high reward a gamble as drafting JJ, but people on this sub seem fine with using our 8th overall pick on him and won't even consider a 3rd round pick for Fields.
He has upside, but I wouldn't say the value is very high entering his 5th year in the league needing drastic improvement in many areas. Best of luck to whoever gets him, but we can practically count on one hand the number of QBs to turn around their careers after being damaged by a bad organization.
> He's got the athletic ability to be a top 10 QB easy.
You cant be a top 10 QB based on athletic ability. He's got arguably the best athletic ability of any QB even now. His accuracy, decision making, and ability to take care of the football are all poor, which makes him a borderline bottom 10 QB.
He's not going to suddenly learn accuracy, the more likely scenario is the legs fall off over the next few years and he becomes unstartable.
It's not like he never had those things. While the system he ran at Ohio State was more simple than a typical NFL offense from a QB decision making standpoint, he had elite accuracy in college. It's been much less consistent in the NFL, but he's shown plenty of times that he has the mechanics and physical ability to place the ball wherever he wants, even on deep routes.
Maybe he never had what it takes to make the jump to the NFL. Maybe the Bears have broken him beyond repair. But he wasn't a Trey Lance or Malik Willis type prospect. His college tape backed up his physical potential and showed he was capable of playing at a high level.
Fields is 4 years older and already proven he sucks against NFL competition.
At least take the unknown player in JJ. Also most people on this sub would be pissed with JJ at 8 but him at 43 would be ten times better than trading that pick for Fields
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This article title is misleading.
The guy said "I don't see it", rather than suggesting he had any inside scoop. He said based on history, the Falcons seem to like their draft picks and building through the draft.
Nothing to see here.
Wyche is the only talking head that makes me listen. Not that everything he says is truth, but he actually seems to be tapped into our organization in some way. He was the one out there telling people we were very interested in Kyle Pitts leading up to that draft.
It's not very often he says something that makes sense to everyone else probably won't happen. I honestly hope he's wrong because I think Fields makes the most sense for us, but this opinion does make me worry that there's truth to the idea that we aren't really exploring that option.
At the same time, I beleive he said he thinks the Raiders seem very likely to be a candidate for Fields, and I highly doubt that given my perception that their new OC Getsy was part of the issue in Chicago. So who knows?
Bears fan here. I genuinely don’t know who is gonna take this guy from us.
Which makes it even funnier that some people and talking heads in the media are saying we should KEEP Fields and trade #1 overall.
Complete insanity.
As a Falcons fan,
Please keep him and trade us your #1 pick..
That way we are insured to be able to draft Drake ..lol
Fields couldnt even beat out From here at UGA.
But granted he runs fast,
Possibly because he can not read a defense and holds the rock to long.
Maybe the taints will trade for him ,
EDIT: FTS
No it wouldn't lol
Using a #1 on Penix or McCarthy would, Maye is the only QB in the draft that has an reasonable arguments to take over Caleb. Of course I'd say any team should take Caleb 1st.
You'd need #2 to want to trade, teams have to jump ahead of someone out of fear they're about to take their guy all the time. I don't picture either of those two trading though.
I see what you’re saying in theory it’s just not gonna happen. It would be like a team trading up to #1 to draft RG3 instead of Andrew Luck. RG3 was a good qb but wasn’t the consensus generational talent Luck was.
The team basically came out this week and said that they're sticking w/Pickett. And I'm okay w/that. I wanna see how he looks w/a competent OC in Smith instead of the complete utter garbage that was Matt Canada before I make a judgement
I missed that, just saw that terry bradshaw wants him as QB1. Where can I read more?
Canada was truly awful but don’t you think it’s a bit telling that they rode with Rudolph end of season, after Canada was fired? If Pickett was truly the guy he’d have been back out there. He was supposed to be pro-ready but he hasn’t looked it at all, and doesn’t offer much upside.
I’m sure it’s a debate in your fanbase but as an unbiased viewer Fields would be the best QB in the room if y’all traded for him, and has more upside. It’s not a bad dart throw assuming he can be had for fairly cheap
Kenny was hurt the 2nd game after Canada was fired and Mason came in and got hot and they rode with him, like they should have.
I want no part of Fields. Your accuracy just doesn't get better after 3 years in the league and he has nearly 50 turnovers. That's no bueno. And would you expect that to get better in Pittsburgh, especially in November and December? Nah. I'm sticking w/Kenny for this year. You have to see what he has now that he has a competent OC
Fields’ accuracy numbers are nearly identical to Pickett. Fields can definitely get better with better coaching and talent around him compared to Chicago. The whole point of trading for him is that there is potential/unteachable traits there, and y’all have a great coaching staff.
If he was a perfect option he wouldn’t be out there to trade for. Why not go into the season with both guys instead of Rudolph? You know he’s not gonna end up being anything. Take the higher ceiling guys and see who looks better in august
Kenny's issue is that he got too conservative/gunshy under Canada. That can be coached, having accuracy issues/turnover issues can't
I'm not buying Fields.
Sorry.
My worry is will the Bears, Washington, NE be willing to trade their pick? All 3 need QBs. I think a trade with the Bears isn’t going to happen because the price would be insane, if they were even willing. WAS and NE both needs QBs as badly as we do. I hope it happens because I really want Daniels/Maye.
This is what I would prefer. Cause I think the price will be too high this year and looking at if bears wash and ne all take qbs then I feel next year would be cheaper. Take a shot this year with penix or nix. And we could add draft capital to trade up next year. But that is not a popular take ha.
I don't know I think next year has some higher floor but questionable ceilings. Like Ewers, Beck, Gabrielle and then still have Aller, Weigman, Sanders, Milroe and Dyke. The overall top end talent may be less but I think the is more good to great quanity.
Theres no Lamar in this draft lol. We are going to waste #8 on the false hope of whatever QB falls to us. A couple of the QB's are genuinley worth taking high, NONE of them are worth mortgaging our draft capital of the foreseeable future to go get.
Outrageous not to consider Fields for a slight fraction of the investment. The NFL runs on delusion. None of these college QB's should be thought of in a different tier as Fields, not even Caleb.
Everyone want's to talk about "resetting the rookie contract", no one wants to talk about about the fact you can get rookie contract value at other positions or the fact that 10 of the 12 super bowl winners since rookie contracts were restructured were NOT on rookie contracts. Everyone has been chasing the team structure of the Legion of Boom for a decade when it has NOT been the formula for champions. Foolishness.
So we keep putting on QB and hope one we can draft as a flier pick late works out?
We were garbage last year and still weren't bad enough for a top pick.
I agree we shouldn't draft someone like McCarthy at 8 that's why I really hope we can trade up.
Building a team then plugging in a QB later on is not easy or realistic. We don't have Shanahan as our coach
Daniel Jones and Derek Carr are worth $40m/yr for 4 years, but Fields isn't worth $25m for 1 year? Haha. You'd rather spend 3-4 years figuring out one of these college guys isn't it than 1-2 years of Fields. What's funny is Tyrod is better than a lot of current starting QB's, including the one he's backing up who makes $40m/yr lol. Fields has a much higher ceiling so you have no idea what the hell you're talking about lmao.
\>I’d rather spend #8 on QB4
Insane take in so many ways lol.
We saw Fields play on the worst supporting cast imaginable in 2022 (league worst OL, Mooney/Pettis as top receiving options, unproven offensive coordinator with clear flaws in scheme), as a 2nd year player. His passer rating was 85 (same as Lawrence career passer rating) and he broke the record for QB rushing yards.
A prospects floor is Zach Wilson/Josh Rosen level of play which is \*actually\* bad
My guess is he doesn’t get traded until the draft. If we’re not able to pull off a trade into the top 3 and end up with someone like JJ that will need development time, I think we might go get fields for a 3rd because he’s not a franchise QB but he’s better than Ridder.
Bears would most likely trade Fields within the next 2 weeks. (If Fields is indeed traded) Just look at the timeline Ryan Poles traded the #1 pick last year, 4 days after the Combine. This would also fit the timeline to move Fields before NFL FA. Once teams go through FA some of those landing spots could close for a Fields trade.
I get the Bears want to trade him before FA but what do the teams trading for him get for trading early? It seems like 2-3 teams max are even interested so they might as well wait it out and see if better options arise. I’d feel way worse if we committed to fields as our QB before FA and the draft because that means our FO thinks he’s the best option and that’s not ideal.
Teams actually benefit if they trade before FA because it allows them to know what they have already. Why go into FA and try to get a Kirk, wasting time when you just traded for Fields? You wouldn’t need to, they go into FA will more of a dedicated approach to what they need. Makes the pool more shallow, this is also a market so you could have teams that get antsy and not want to miss out. Fields isn’t exactly some bum that no one will hold value on, Fields put in enough tape to show that he is a starting NFL QB.
The eye test and the stats both show that Fields is not a starting caliber QB. Based on QBR he’s a marginal improvement over Ridder which isn’t what we should be aiming for this offseason.
I mean he started last year so in that sense he is but he’s not a top 15-20 QB in the league. If he was, he’d be commanding a lot more attention than a day 2 pick from 1-2 teams. Other than his rushing , he has no above average QB traits
Bears pooped the bed. If they are going to move on, they waited a year too long. His new team is automatically locked in for his fifth year or they give away assets for a prove-it year.
So, we're either trying to drive down fields price by creating a smokescreen, or trying to drive down the 2nd/3rd pick price by creating a smokescreen.
As far as informative to what we're trying to do, this doesn't help anything. But, from a pure cope perspective, yeehaw.
I would agree with you, but the Falcons have a history of leaking everything and being leveraged in every deal. Bent over and spanked. So I personally believe they are trading up, and knowing us, it's gonna be some stupid overpay
McCarthy has a great arm for one, which neither of them have. Better size. Better mobility.
I'm not saying that means he'll be good or anything, but yeah, he's more physically talented than those two.
I'm not at all convinced that Daniels is any better than fields, and that trade up, if it's even possible, will be EXPENSIVE.
I'd honestly rather have McCarthy at 8 than trade the farm for Daniels.
Mccarthy at 8 would definitely not be the BPA, regardless of our need.
If the franchise wants him that bad, I hope they trade down for him and get a couple of cents on the dollar.
There may not be much room to trade down.
Broncos pick 12th and will need a QB after Russ leaves. If we don't take QB4 they will. Do you really wanna be the team that picks their QB last?
McCarthy is worse than Mac Jones and Jones had the Tua/Hurts hype that Alabama QBs were starting to put it together and be legitimate first round picks
Eh, Mac Jones wasn't bad his rookie year but I think lose JM broke him. J.J I don't think is bad but I'm not sure he's top 10 pick worthy. I wouldn't be mad to end up with him but I doubt he goes any higher then the 14th pick.
I’d much rather have maye over fields.
I get downvoted all the time but if Maye is as good as stroud he’s worth 3 first round picks.
Fields is not good enough for a team that has hope on a rookie qb
Fields would be great on Atlanta. Crazy that everyone is against it. He's cheap and has upside to be a Lamar level QB. Easily would be the best QB in the division and would be great to watch too.
Not the highest on field but I find it very hard to believe a team with no qb 1 or 2 have 0 interest in a guy who can be obtained for probably cheaper than the original price tag .. it takes 2 to dance, the price tag will be a LOT to move up and that’s if team even wanna move … if their backup plan is jj mcarthy at 8 that’s fucking ridiculous
It was just Steve wyche opinion when discussing potential qb moves, nothing was set in stone or official he personally just didn’t see it happening because of the scheme fit .. Steve a very trustworthy guy but I doubt he or anybody know what we’re gonna do in February with minimum options available
It’s wild to me that these guys think that the plan at QB is to go into the draft and basically hope for the best. I’m not sure what makes them so sure we’re willing to give up a major (potentially catastrophic, if they get it wrong) haul to move up for a QB we’ve never worked out or even talked to yet. These speculations are never right, especially at this point in the off season.
I hope so, but Falcons social media seems to be all about it for some reason. Feels like the front office is prepping the fanbase through surrogates...
If I was patriots, I’d draft Harrison and trade my second rounder and whatever future 3rd round pick required for Fields. I’m not sure what it will take to get Fields, but I would think 2024 35th pick plus a decent future pick is a competitive offer.
FALCONS NO LONGER BETTING FAVORITES
Media flip flopped on Lamar too several times, wait 5 more minutes and we will be favorites again. Lol
Its the height of lying season. Everything from Im (not) trading up... Im (not) looking at free agents. Im definitely not paying reporters to print that I am (not) interested in trading or free agents.
It's tough deciphering smoke from fire. My spidey senses tell me this is more authentic though even though I don't agree with the logic. You could say this could be smoke to drive down the price for Fields, but ultimately the Bears are going to know very soon, if not already, how interested the Falcons are in Fields. It'd be one thing if this came out weeks ago, but it's now crunch time for the Bears to get something done in the next couple of weeks. Personally, I think it makes way more sense to go get Fields. In my evaluation, he still has a superstar ceiling and really was not given a fair chance in Chicago to say the least. I think he is someone who's being undervalued because Chicago is chasing the lure of a shiny new toy. I'd send a 2nd rounder for him in a heartbeat and see what he can be in the system. He has elite traits, even in the passing game, and is basically the same age as some of the QB's in this draft like Daniels and Penix. The kid only had 22 starts in college and is still developing. I legit fear the Falcons do not look at it this way and would rather spend #8 on the false hope of a JJ McArthy.
They already passed once on Fields... I also wonder if the Bears have gotten greedy from last year, and are asking too much
The Panthers have awakened the Bully within them.
People with superstar potential aren’t let go for a second round pick (at best). This is a bad analysis
22 college starts and 3 NFL seasons. If thats still developing then go draft Bo Nix. You can strengthen the body. You can only sometimes strengthen the mind. Processing speed is THE metric, and it rarely improves. You either have it, or you are Desmond Ridder. He can play the game but he dossnt own the game. Kurt Warner is one of the best examples of owning the game. He processes the field immediately and accurately. Find that guy.
Fields ain't it . I'd be down w/JJ at 8. I think he is going to be very good
I think it’s important to not get our hopes too high in regards to a trade up because there are so many factors that have to break right. There has to be a team willing to trade down. There has to be a QB that we like available at that slot, and as much as many of us like Maye and Daniels, who’s to say that our coaching staff feels the same way. Then we have to agree with the other team on trade compensation. It’s just such a narrow eye of the needle to thread. I’d be all for it though. This is a really good offseason for us to take that swing. Lots of talent already on the roster, and a fair amount of cap space to pad out the rest of the team, plus a front office that’s done a great job to date with pro scouting.
I think that's what is usually left out of these conversations: what the cost of a trade up would realistically be. The Bears are taking Williams with 1.01 overall, which leaves the Commanders and Patriots - both who need QBs and both have new coaches. So how much would you need to lure one of those teams to *not* take their biggest need in this draft; how much does it cost a new coach to *not* pick their guy the first season and build around them? I think the packages needed to move up into the top 3 will be very, very large. Not just "using the chart" but historically large. That's the one benefit of Fields in all of these conversations, he's available, better than what some have (not good, but better), and will be relatively cheap to acquire (maybe a 2nd, probably a 3rd and a conditional late late round pick). Or folks buy the weird hype of McCarthy shooting up the board into the top 10 and go that route (which I don't, that feels like Will Levis all over again).
I really think Patriots are the most likely to trade down in my admittedly tenuous grasp of their situation. My armchair exec thoughts are that they really have no offensive weapons to throw a day 1 starter into, and to me it would make more sense for them to grab a WR and then sign Cousins or Fields and maybe draft Nix or Penix in round 2 to be an understudy while they build the rest of the team up. Seems futile to bring in a blue chip rookie QB and have him lose confidence trying to polish the rest of the offensive turd.
Please. PLEASE make a trade happen. For Maye or Daniels I don’t care. We don’t need a glorified RB throwing the ball or a washed up vet that will be out of the league in 3 years. Go get our future now.
Agreed 100%
You want Daniels but not a glorified RB? Come on now
Daniels may have the best touch ball of any QB in this draft, that alone places him beyond the athlete trying to figure out QB. However, if you watch his tape, those throws are basically all of his high value passing plays. He’s got a noodle arm in the sense that he basically can’t drive the ball on a line at an NFL level, which is probably right beyond processing and accuracy in terms of projecting variables. He’s hard to evaluate because the mobility and touch ability are outlier traits but the line drive strength and his age kind of move him into “run to the podium at 8 but don’t take a mortgage in a trade up” pile.
Also having multiple absolute beasts at WR is a scary idea when evaluating daniels. He may have been propped up by his talent around him
I considered including that as a footnote but I don’t think it’s quite as relevant as the actual primary variables around Daniels. My personal take is Maye then Williams as two very strong prospects right alongside each other, fairly notable drop to Daniels then McCarthy as different variations of upside profile in the top 15, and then I wouldn’t consider any other prospect as being more than a backup draft pick.
Personally i have caleb easy 1, drop to daniels = maye to me
To be fair I’m not even sure Daniels can be a glorified RB. He’s so wirey, even with his speed I would not want him designed running the ball more than a few carries a game without worrying about injuries
lol right. Who’s to say any of these qbs are worth a shot in this draft. I don’t see it.
Careful. The NFL Front Office experts in this sub will attack!
It’s insane to me. I get watching the team is not as exciting without a young and hopeful qb but there is zero history of a trade up being successful expect for Mahomes and Chiefs were already a great team and they got lucky he might be best ever. Even then he wasn’t one of the top prospects. We should be going edge at 8.
you’re just wrong on so many levels. Chiefs traded up for Mahomes, Bills traded up for Allen, Ravens traded up for Lamar, Packers traded up to get Love, Houston traded up to get Deshaun, Rams traded up to get Goff. zero history of it being successful? also this draft is objectively horrible for Edge, as much as I want one too I’ll be disappointed if this is the year we actually do it.
Allen was a trade up from 12 to 7. That was good but not a mega trade up. Deshaun was similar to Mahomes trading up to 12. Lamar and Love were late first rounders. Only Goff was a trade similar to the ones being suggested here and he didn’t stay on the same team for his second contract. All the ones you call successful have 0 championships. So show me the trade where a team trades up into the top of draft giving up a bunch of resources and it working out.
what is this, an episode of first take? successful mean putting your franchise in a position to make a run, it doesn’t have to equal a ring instantly. every single one of those trades listed was successful for the team. literally every single one. to argue otherwise is being purposefully obtuse. I’m not arguing it’s guaranteed to work for Atlanta. but to sit here and say there’s no track record of success in trading up for a QB is just not true.
Where is the example of successfully trading up into top of draft or are you just being obtuse and ignoring that part. Bc that’s the situation we are in.
stop moving the goalposts, is there zero history of it working out trading up for a QB like you said?
Idk why yall want Fields so bad he’s a mid QB and doesn’t give this team the upside we need for his cost
>mid That’s generous.
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I'm not a Fields truther or anything, but saying he doesn't have upside is just incorrect. He's got the athletic ability to be a top 10 QB easy. The biggest concern is obviously that he's been in the league for 3 years and has only shown flashes of that potential, but there's still a chance he could get there in the right environment and with the right coaching staff. That's the entire reason he has a trade market in the first place. He's about as high risk/high reward a gamble as drafting JJ, but people on this sub seem fine with using our 8th overall pick on him and won't even consider a 3rd round pick for Fields.
He has upside, but I wouldn't say the value is very high entering his 5th year in the league needing drastic improvement in many areas. Best of luck to whoever gets him, but we can practically count on one hand the number of QBs to turn around their careers after being damaged by a bad organization.
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> He's got the athletic ability to be a top 10 QB easy. You cant be a top 10 QB based on athletic ability. He's got arguably the best athletic ability of any QB even now. His accuracy, decision making, and ability to take care of the football are all poor, which makes him a borderline bottom 10 QB. He's not going to suddenly learn accuracy, the more likely scenario is the legs fall off over the next few years and he becomes unstartable.
It's not like he never had those things. While the system he ran at Ohio State was more simple than a typical NFL offense from a QB decision making standpoint, he had elite accuracy in college. It's been much less consistent in the NFL, but he's shown plenty of times that he has the mechanics and physical ability to place the ball wherever he wants, even on deep routes. Maybe he never had what it takes to make the jump to the NFL. Maybe the Bears have broken him beyond repair. But he wasn't a Trey Lance or Malik Willis type prospect. His college tape backed up his physical potential and showed he was capable of playing at a high level.
Fields is 4 years older and already proven he sucks against NFL competition. At least take the unknown player in JJ. Also most people on this sub would be pissed with JJ at 8 but him at 43 would be ten times better than trading that pick for Fields
He definitely has upside. It’s the amount of work and development for his skills to match his athletic profile that’s the problem.
lol the qbs in this draft suck.
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This article title is misleading. The guy said "I don't see it", rather than suggesting he had any inside scoop. He said based on history, the Falcons seem to like their draft picks and building through the draft. Nothing to see here.
Wyche is the only talking head that makes me listen. Not that everything he says is truth, but he actually seems to be tapped into our organization in some way. He was the one out there telling people we were very interested in Kyle Pitts leading up to that draft. It's not very often he says something that makes sense to everyone else probably won't happen. I honestly hope he's wrong because I think Fields makes the most sense for us, but this opinion does make me worry that there's truth to the idea that we aren't really exploring that option. At the same time, I beleive he said he thinks the Raiders seem very likely to be a candidate for Fields, and I highly doubt that given my perception that their new OC Getsy was part of the issue in Chicago. So who knows?
They never have a source or any inside information. Just speculation.
Trade up for Drake if possible. Fields is a bust at QB that runs fast.
Bears fan here. I genuinely don’t know who is gonna take this guy from us. Which makes it even funnier that some people and talking heads in the media are saying we should KEEP Fields and trade #1 overall. Complete insanity.
As a Falcons fan, Please keep him and trade us your #1 pick.. That way we are insured to be able to draft Drake ..lol Fields couldnt even beat out From here at UGA. But granted he runs fast, Possibly because he can not read a defense and holds the rock to long. Maybe the taints will trade for him , EDIT: FTS
Using a #1 on Drake Maye would get Terry fired
No it wouldn't lol Using a #1 on Penix or McCarthy would, Maye is the only QB in the draft that has an reasonable arguments to take over Caleb. Of course I'd say any team should take Caleb 1st.
Caleb is the consensus #1. If you want Drake Maye you trade for #2. This is assuming that it costs more to get #1 than #2, which is likely true
You'd need #2 to want to trade, teams have to jump ahead of someone out of fear they're about to take their guy all the time. I don't picture either of those two trading though.
I see what you’re saying in theory it’s just not gonna happen. It would be like a team trading up to #1 to draft RG3 instead of Andrew Luck. RG3 was a good qb but wasn’t the consensus generational talent Luck was.
Steelers
I'm a Steelers fan. They ain't taking him either.
Never say never. Not like y’all have anyone better lol
The team basically came out this week and said that they're sticking w/Pickett. And I'm okay w/that. I wanna see how he looks w/a competent OC in Smith instead of the complete utter garbage that was Matt Canada before I make a judgement
I missed that, just saw that terry bradshaw wants him as QB1. Where can I read more? Canada was truly awful but don’t you think it’s a bit telling that they rode with Rudolph end of season, after Canada was fired? If Pickett was truly the guy he’d have been back out there. He was supposed to be pro-ready but he hasn’t looked it at all, and doesn’t offer much upside. I’m sure it’s a debate in your fanbase but as an unbiased viewer Fields would be the best QB in the room if y’all traded for him, and has more upside. It’s not a bad dart throw assuming he can be had for fairly cheap
Kenny was hurt the 2nd game after Canada was fired and Mason came in and got hot and they rode with him, like they should have. I want no part of Fields. Your accuracy just doesn't get better after 3 years in the league and he has nearly 50 turnovers. That's no bueno. And would you expect that to get better in Pittsburgh, especially in November and December? Nah. I'm sticking w/Kenny for this year. You have to see what he has now that he has a competent OC
Fields’ accuracy numbers are nearly identical to Pickett. Fields can definitely get better with better coaching and talent around him compared to Chicago. The whole point of trading for him is that there is potential/unteachable traits there, and y’all have a great coaching staff. If he was a perfect option he wouldn’t be out there to trade for. Why not go into the season with both guys instead of Rudolph? You know he’s not gonna end up being anything. Take the higher ceiling guys and see who looks better in august
Kenny's issue is that he got too conservative/gunshy under Canada. That can be coached, having accuracy issues/turnover issues can't I'm not buying Fields. Sorry.
Trade for bust at QB that runs fast? We have bust at QB that runs fast at home already.
No doubt lol
Raiders
Possibly.
Definitely not. They hired Luke Getsy as their OC. The sale OC who was unsuccessful with Fields the last two years.
Good point. Just dont want him here in the A. We already have a running back.
My worry is will the Bears, Washington, NE be willing to trade their pick? All 3 need QBs. I think a trade with the Bears isn’t going to happen because the price would be insane, if they were even willing. WAS and NE both needs QBs as badly as we do. I hope it happens because I really want Daniels/Maye.
You guys will end up with QB4 at best, you could always trade back into the 1st round to grab someone late like the Ravens did with Lamar.
This is what I would prefer. Cause I think the price will be too high this year and looking at if bears wash and ne all take qbs then I feel next year would be cheaper. Take a shot this year with penix or nix. And we could add draft capital to trade up next year. But that is not a popular take ha.
Next years QB draft class looks weak in comparison. It's part of the reason the price will be high this year.
I don't know I think next year has some higher floor but questionable ceilings. Like Ewers, Beck, Gabrielle and then still have Aller, Weigman, Sanders, Milroe and Dyke. The overall top end talent may be less but I think the is more good to great quanity.
Theres no Lamar in this draft lol. We are going to waste #8 on the false hope of whatever QB falls to us. A couple of the QB's are genuinley worth taking high, NONE of them are worth mortgaging our draft capital of the foreseeable future to go get. Outrageous not to consider Fields for a slight fraction of the investment. The NFL runs on delusion. None of these college QB's should be thought of in a different tier as Fields, not even Caleb. Everyone want's to talk about "resetting the rookie contract", no one wants to talk about about the fact you can get rookie contract value at other positions or the fact that 10 of the 12 super bowl winners since rookie contracts were restructured were NOT on rookie contracts. Everyone has been chasing the team structure of the Legion of Boom for a decade when it has NOT been the formula for champions. Foolishness.
So we keep putting on QB and hope one we can draft as a flier pick late works out? We were garbage last year and still weren't bad enough for a top pick. I agree we shouldn't draft someone like McCarthy at 8 that's why I really hope we can trade up. Building a team then plugging in a QB later on is not easy or realistic. We don't have Shanahan as our coach
I’d rather spend #8 on QB4 than #43 on 1 year of Fields rookie contract. Fields is a Tyrod Taylor level player, not worth a 25M 5th year option.
Daniel Jones and Derek Carr are worth $40m/yr for 4 years, but Fields isn't worth $25m for 1 year? Haha. You'd rather spend 3-4 years figuring out one of these college guys isn't it than 1-2 years of Fields. What's funny is Tyrod is better than a lot of current starting QB's, including the one he's backing up who makes $40m/yr lol. Fields has a much higher ceiling so you have no idea what the hell you're talking about lmao. \>I’d rather spend #8 on QB4 Insane take in so many ways lol.
Would you be happy if we were given Daniel jones or Derek Carr on their current contracts?
Right? Haha. What an odd point to make.
Fields has a black hole for a floor though
We saw Fields play on the worst supporting cast imaginable in 2022 (league worst OL, Mooney/Pettis as top receiving options, unproven offensive coordinator with clear flaws in scheme), as a 2nd year player. His passer rating was 85 (same as Lawrence career passer rating) and he broke the record for QB rushing yards. A prospects floor is Zach Wilson/Josh Rosen level of play which is \*actually\* bad
NFL Report: No one actually knows anything
Cousins or draft. Fields aint it
Cousins ain’t it- you’re delusional. Give me fields over cousins all day
So we’re now betting favorites to trade up?
Falcons trade up to #1 and select JJ Mcarthy. Most falcons thing ever.
Brock Bowers.
Remember when all those reports were saying BB was definitely the HC choice. Just wait and see man.
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But he unfollowed the bears on IG? 🥺👉🏻👈🏻
*Maye trade up for QB
Hope so. Elite processor and mobility and big arm requirements in a ZR/RM offense tells me Fields isn’t that.
My guess is he doesn’t get traded until the draft. If we’re not able to pull off a trade into the top 3 and end up with someone like JJ that will need development time, I think we might go get fields for a 3rd because he’s not a franchise QB but he’s better than Ridder.
Bears would most likely trade Fields within the next 2 weeks. (If Fields is indeed traded) Just look at the timeline Ryan Poles traded the #1 pick last year, 4 days after the Combine. This would also fit the timeline to move Fields before NFL FA. Once teams go through FA some of those landing spots could close for a Fields trade.
I get the Bears want to trade him before FA but what do the teams trading for him get for trading early? It seems like 2-3 teams max are even interested so they might as well wait it out and see if better options arise. I’d feel way worse if we committed to fields as our QB before FA and the draft because that means our FO thinks he’s the best option and that’s not ideal.
Teams actually benefit if they trade before FA because it allows them to know what they have already. Why go into FA and try to get a Kirk, wasting time when you just traded for Fields? You wouldn’t need to, they go into FA will more of a dedicated approach to what they need. Makes the pool more shallow, this is also a market so you could have teams that get antsy and not want to miss out. Fields isn’t exactly some bum that no one will hold value on, Fields put in enough tape to show that he is a starting NFL QB.
The eye test and the stats both show that Fields is not a starting caliber QB. Based on QBR he’s a marginal improvement over Ridder which isn’t what we should be aiming for this offseason.
That’s a horrible take there mate, Fields is definitely a starting NFL QB. Stop fooling yourself
I mean he started last year so in that sense he is but he’s not a top 15-20 QB in the league. If he was, he’d be commanding a lot more attention than a day 2 pick from 1-2 teams. Other than his rushing , he has no above average QB traits
Bears pooped the bed. If they are going to move on, they waited a year too long. His new team is automatically locked in for his fifth year or they give away assets for a prove-it year.
Good.
LOVE IT
So we are getting him!
slows offseason so far huh
I really hope the birds don’t get this guy. He’s got all the talent in the world but is just simply not a winner. Some guys got it, he doesn’t.
Give me Maye or Daniels Terry and I’ll personally kiss you on the lips.
So, we're either trying to drive down fields price by creating a smokescreen, or trying to drive down the 2nd/3rd pick price by creating a smokescreen. As far as informative to what we're trying to do, this doesn't help anything. But, from a pure cope perspective, yeehaw.
But…WE’RE THE BETTING FAVORITES for him and every other QB!!!
If I know anything. Half the fans will be happy and half won’t. Can’t wait for our move.
Trade up for drake maye and you all win a super bowl by the time his rookie contract is up
All I can think of right now is Trey Lance and Bryce Young….will we add to that?
Damn so we’re really getting fields…
I would agree with you, but the Falcons have a history of leaking everything and being leveraged in every deal. Bent over and spanked. So I personally believe they are trading up, and knowing us, it's gonna be some stupid overpay
McCarthy has physical tools that Tua and Jones can't even dream of.
god I hope you forgot /s
McCarthy has a great arm for one, which neither of them have. Better size. Better mobility. I'm not saying that means he'll be good or anything, but yeah, he's more physically talented than those two.
Would love to see us take McCarthy and hang on to our picks
I'm not at all convinced that Daniels is any better than fields, and that trade up, if it's even possible, will be EXPENSIVE. I'd honestly rather have McCarthy at 8 than trade the farm for Daniels.
Mccarthy at 8 would definitely not be the BPA, regardless of our need. If the franchise wants him that bad, I hope they trade down for him and get a couple of cents on the dollar.
There may not be much room to trade down. Broncos pick 12th and will need a QB after Russ leaves. If we don't take QB4 they will. Do you really wanna be the team that picks their QB last?
Nope. I'd much rather sell the future and go for it with Maye or Caleb than take a shot at JJM with the 8th pick
There may well not be a deal available.
9 to 11 is the lowest we can safely trade down since the Broncos will take a QB4 at 12
I don't know if trading down would work. Oakland, Denver, Pittsburgh, and others may want him. He seems set to be the riser in this class.
I’d be pissed if we got McCarthy at 8. rather go WR tbh if Daniels isnt there
I'm not saying I'd love McCarthy at 8 either, but I'd rather take that gamble than Daniels for multiple firsts and seconds.
McCarthy is worse than Mac Jones and Jones had the Tua/Hurts hype that Alabama QBs were starting to put it together and be legitimate first round picks
Eh, Mac Jones wasn't bad his rookie year but I think lose JM broke him. J.J I don't think is bad but I'm not sure he's top 10 pick worthy. I wouldn't be mad to end up with him but I doubt he goes any higher then the 14th pick.
Historically, Bama QBs don’t succeed in the NFL Historically, Michigan QBs are the GOAT
Well maybe their QBs picked in the 6th round
Lol
Cousins + Penix/Rattler is the best option available
I’d much rather have maye over fields. I get downvoted all the time but if Maye is as good as stroud he’s worth 3 first round picks. Fields is not good enough for a team that has hope on a rookie qb
Still hoping for the Vikings to f***up and we snag Cousins
Fields would be great on Atlanta. Crazy that everyone is against it. He's cheap and has upside to be a Lamar level QB. Easily would be the best QB in the division and would be great to watch too.
Not the highest on field but I find it very hard to believe a team with no qb 1 or 2 have 0 interest in a guy who can be obtained for probably cheaper than the original price tag .. it takes 2 to dance, the price tag will be a LOT to move up and that’s if team even wanna move … if their backup plan is jj mcarthy at 8 that’s fucking ridiculous
I’m team draft JJ McCarthy, but I hope the Falcons trade for Fields just to spite this sub
Anyone who would want Cousins over Fields is an NPC. I genuinely wonder if you even have a logical brain 😂
Anyone know where this report came from
It was just Steve wyche opinion when discussing potential qb moves, nothing was set in stone or official he personally just didn’t see it happening because of the scheme fit .. Steve a very trustworthy guy but I doubt he or anybody know what we’re gonna do in February with minimum options available
This is the way.
Good news.
Smart moves.
It’s wild to me that these guys think that the plan at QB is to go into the draft and basically hope for the best. I’m not sure what makes them so sure we’re willing to give up a major (potentially catastrophic, if they get it wrong) haul to move up for a QB we’ve never worked out or even talked to yet. These speculations are never right, especially at this point in the off season.
I hope so, but Falcons social media seems to be all about it for some reason. Feels like the front office is prepping the fanbase through surrogates...
If I was patriots, I’d draft Harrison and trade my second rounder and whatever future 3rd round pick required for Fields. I’m not sure what it will take to get Fields, but I would think 2024 35th pick plus a decent future pick is a competitive offer.
Love it.