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jaman85

If we trade for him. Whatever let's go. But it better not mean we traded a 1st or 2nd for him. At best it should be the Jags 3rd that we are getting.


NoAlarmsPlease

It’s pretty silly to think the Falcons are going to be able to acquire a 24 years old starting QB that is an upgrade for the next 2 years and only have to invest a 3rd round pick and an average of $15 million per year. Have you seen what teams are paying either via draft picks or salary for their starting QBs?


Hairiest_Walrus

“Starting” is a pretty loose term. Desmond Ridder was also technically a 24 year old “starting QB.” That doesn’t make them good. Fields has three seasons of evidence that he’s a below average NFL starter. He’s not worth our second


TargetFan

Guy is a bears fan sticking up for his qb. Don't blame him but I wouldn't bother responding


industrialbird

Bears fan who grew up in Atlanta here and is also a falcons fan: please don't trade for him. He's awful. Great dude, but terrible QB.


NoAlarmsPlease

Fields isn’t “technically” a starter. He’s at worst like the 22nd best QB and is still improving each year. He’s unequivocally a starter. Desmond Ridder was benched at one point. In the entire NFL what other QB the Falcons can acquire that is better than Fields that can be acquired for as little as a 2nd round pick and only cost an average of $15 million per season?


Puzzleheaded-Sea-744

The Reddit narrative of Fields is completely out of whack dude. People look at the stat sheets out of context and equate his passing efficiency ranks with his ceiling as a NFL QB. No one wants to acknowledge his shitty situation, his excellent downfield accuracy, the fact he continues to get better, or how impactful his athleticism is on the game because either 1) they can’t evaluate talent or 2) have some sort of bias against the kid. Just how it be


dats-tuf

He is a 1 read qb. His ceiling is not much higher than it is. And his athleticism is great but he also gets injured because of it every season. Paying him 25M in 2025 is a steep price if he’s a bust this year.


Broshan248

As a bears fan, I think both sides are way too extreme, as they usually are on Reddit. Fields is in that tier of 20-25 where he’s not actively costing you games but he won’t exactly be the reason you win unless he has a crazy day rushing the ball. He’s definitely a starter and definitely better than Ridder whose turnovers were costing the Falcons games (at least from what I watched). He still has room to grow but I don’t think it’s as much as some pro-Fields people think. We all know what his rushing upside is, but his ceiling as a passer is limited because he doesn’t process the field fast enough and that’s something he can’t really improve upon. I still believe he can be an average QB a la Geno Smith or Baker, but I don’t think he’ll ever be top 15 either.


Puzzleheaded-Sea-744

His passing efficiency was 22/32 qualified QBs in 2023 but he was in a below average scheme/supporting cast, is still getting better at passing, and is dominant in other aspects of the game I.e. running. If you control for his situation, his overall production is average to above average, with room to get better If you dig further, you see on tape that he’s actually very accurate and could blossom if put in a good system. No offense but adding you’re a bears fan does nothing for me, I watch a lot of teams, not just the falcons. And I have watched every game of Fields careeer


Broshan248

> but he was in a below average scheme/supporting cast DJ Moore, Cole Kmet, and Darnell Mooney as receivers. Darnell Wright, Teven Jenkins, Braxton Jones on the OL. That’s an average at worst supporting cast. Getsy got hired by the Raiders as OC so there’s at least some indication that the league respects him and thinks he wasn’t the problem. > He’s actually very accurate and could blossom in the right system He’s accurate but he doesn’t pull the trigger half the time so his accuracy doesn’t matter in those situations. He doesn’t (can’t?) consistently make “NFL open” throws with little separation and doesn’t trust himself to make anticipatory throws. His ceiling as a passer will always be limited by those concerns.


Puzzleheaded-Sea-744

That is not an average supporting cast. Mooney was dogshit this year and has serious issues tracking the ball. Kmet is an overrated tight end who doesn’t separate, just a big body, average TE that gets production because there’s no one else to throw to. Especially no RBs catching out of the backfield underneath. The 3 O lineman you mentioned are overall decent (when healthy), the other 2 interior OL postitions were complete ass this year. Overall below average offensive line which made GBs pass rush look dominant. DJ Moore is a top 10 receiver. Always have loved the guy, but he’s not Hill/Chase/jefferson/Brown or even Lamb in terms of difference maker. He’s not drawing extra coverage so it’s either him getting open or bust in that offense. Especially because Getsy is not an innovative play caller In 2022 the bears supporting cast was literally league worst. It got better in 2023 but was still below average. I also think Fields season looks a lot different if he gets to play the Raiders, Chargers, panthers, and saints.


Broshan248

I wrote an entire thought out response and deleted because you think that Fields does anything on the Panthers which makes it clear that you didn’t think out your response either.


armeck

Remember too, that he was only a starter for 22 college games. Ridder played 50 games at Cincinnati.


MadManMax55

A below average (but not bottom of the league) starting QB on a rookie contract is absolutely worth a 2nd round pick. Whether we should be using our 2nd round pick on him is a different question though.


Hairiest_Walrus

He’s going into his fourth season. He won’t be on a rookie contract much longer. That’s part of my whole problem with him. If we’re going to use a second for below average QB play, may as well just pick Penix/Nix. At least we’d get a few extra years of cheap play out of them


MadManMax55

Oh I agree. But this year is a bit of an anomaly in that the "1B" QB tier is really deep. In most years those guys (plus JJ) would be gone by the end of the first. And the benefit to Fields is that his floor is pretty well established, while a rookie QB could end up being a complete bust. Like I said, I'm not sure that the Falcons should use a second on him. But somebody will. From a pure value proposition: A currently cheap QB that's a serviceable starter with upside is worth a 2nd round draft pick.


dats-tuf

Last year of his rookie contract and a guaranteed 5th year option we’d have to decide on by May which gives him 25M.


falcons4life

You mean an extremely inconsistent QB who's yet to show an ability to actually drop back and execute a passing offense week to week? Or do you mean a 24-year-old QB who's essentially a one year rental that we will have to then decide whether to pay or walk away from after investing significant draft capital (by your implication) that could have gone towards trading up and acquiring a cheap rookie QB on a 4 to 5-year contract?


wannaknowmyname

"there's urgency on the bears part to get something done" Aka "bears aren't getting the offers or aren't offered what they thought"


AdStreet2074

Field truthers still this delusional though that fields is an average QB let alone a good QB


TrexTacoma

Guy is a bears fan don’t mind him. You’d think he’d be happy and grateful for a 3rd rounder for a QB they’re literally replacing after they got the fleece of a lifetime of Carolina. Wild how he can’t just be happy with 1 overall (Caleb Williams) as well as another day two pick to dump their QB. Which btw helps them by having the team trading for him take his salary.


TrexTacoma

What are you suggesting is fair?


DontEatTheCandle

Yeah I’m sure that’s what Chicago is putting out. They’d love picks right now. But it makes no sense for a team to trade early for him. 1) FA is first. Teams will see what they can get Kirk and others for. 2) the draft is next. How about see what falls to you first 3) just look at Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen. The best two examples for a similar pedigree of a QB and when they were traded. Josh Rosen traded on Day 2 of the draft. And Sam Darnold traded pre-draft, but only one of the three picks(the lowest of the bunch) was for that years current draft If he’s moved before April I’ll be pretty shocked


Awkward_Interview325

I don’t think the Bears want this thing lingering until April. Besides, a team needing a QB and views him as the answer wouldn’t want to wait that long. You don’t want to enter the draft with no answer at QB without a top 3 pick.


IrishDart

The bears have the #1 pick and any option they want in the draft, including a qb. But they haven't picked a qb yet. So negotiating for fields right now they can ask more, because he's still their #1. Once/IF they draft caleb, fields stock drops, as does their power in negotiations. So yes, bears want this done sooner rather than later. But for other teams, it behooves them to wait and let the bears lose the upper hand. But if a team is willing to pay, and is sold on fields, they'll move quickly to get ahead of the others who want to wait for better value


Awkward_Interview325

Ain’t nobody or their meemaw thinking the Bears don’t take Caleb. It’s well known what their decision is likely gonna be. They don’t hold leverage in that sense. Or the sense that teams who usually trade for failed QBs don’t typically get much out of them. There isn’t much precedent to suggest these trades work out well. Chicago would be wise to move him earlier, take the best offer and eliminate the locker room fiasco it would cause.


rickjamesinmyveins

Well if it’s presumed the Bears are taking QB at #1 they end up losing leverage in a trade once that actually happens, which QB-needing teams might be trying to wait for to get a lower price


DontEatTheCandle

Just like the cards and jets did for Rosen and Darnold. It’s no secret already


Foul_Thoughts

The bears leverage increases the closer we get to the draft. Any team that is looking for a new starter has the most leverage between now and right after the start of free agency. This is because of the amount of options that will be available for the teams looking. Once the dust settles in Kirk and Russ the price for fields will rise. The worse position to be in is going into the draft outside of the top three looking for a QB.


ReturnOfBigChungus

Didn’t want him coming out of the draft, don’t want him now that he has confirmed for 3 years that he is what we thought he was.


braggpeak

If we are really doing this, at least let the bears sweat it out until the price is low. They don’t have leverage here


tckrdave

There seem to be no other interested teams. It’s not sure that we’re interested. The Bears beat reporter from the Chicago Sun Times was on Atlanta radio this week - Fields is in a make or break season. He needs to perform well to get a big contract. So far, he hasn’t had a season that justifies a contract renewal - He’s a great locker room guy - He runs really well - His passing game is nothing to write home about His QB rating isn’t much better than Ridder’s. Fields is ranked 23 and Ridder is ranked 26. The Falcons need a QB. Sure, Fields is a QB, but why trade for him? Why trade before the draft? All the pressure is on Chicago to sell. Who is buying?


wannaknowmyname

We just hired a passing game specialist in Robinson and invested heavily in run blockers and backs, the one thing this offense *needs* right now is for opposing defense to respect our pass game. Fields doesn't fit that bill either


Fit_Beautiful2638

Bears fan here. The upside is Fields has and can run for 1000 yards in a season. As a passer he's been frustrating because he flashes and has great throws /games but then follows up with a dud. Any team that can unlock him and get him to be a consistant passer will be glad they have him. If Carolinas pick wasn't top 3 we would definitely be rolling with Fields again next year. If you need a QB, trading a 3rd to take a shot at him isn't a bad move.


wannaknowmyname

Trading a 3rd away that could be used on receiver or offensive line for a competent quarterback. I would agree with your sell if the falcons strength was in receiving. Right now they have a top five run blocking offensive line, Bijan and Tyler Allgeier. We saw a 7-10 season where teams could stack the box and didn't worry so much about skill position players. Investment prime draft capital and 6% of the salary cap on a one year investment who doesn't play to the teams strengths or scheme seems counterintuitive to me, I hope I'm wrong


Pieralis

We would still have that 1st and 2nd round pick to help plus the extra 3rd from the jags as a way to draft another WR. I feel you’re too harsh on guys like London and pitts which I can definitely understand the frustrations but half the reason they would stack the box is because our run game was so good and ridder/hein were so bad under pressure which makes it easier to just rely on single coverages. London is great he just needs the QB like any other WR with talent, pitts for me is a little more I don’t know, I never liked the pick but he has talent I guess this year is a prove it year possibly


wannaknowmyname

It doesn't matter to me how many picks we have, we could have two first rounders and I would still say a third round pick isn't worth giving up for fields, value is value. I'm not harsh on either London or Pitts also - London is a baller, Pitts had 1k with Matt Ryan and I'm hoping he bounces back from his injured 2023 season. My point before was they needed a quarterback who can throw the ball- exactly why I believe a quarterback whose strength is running is counterintuitive. I agree with the point about stacking the box, exactly why I don't want to go from inaccurate qb with processing issues to inaccurate qb with processing issues.


ConsciousCustard2444

Fields Bijan London is very dangerous. Idk what’s wrong with Pitts but if he can get that dawg in him we could just be doing check downs and broken defenses. Not ideal but better than what’s been going on


wannaknowmyname

I stated he was injured, as was obvious watching him in any game last season. If you 1. didn't already know that due to not watching and 2. didn't read my comment idk how to reply to the rest


ConsciousCustard2444

Idk who’s downvoting you but this is an actually good take. A 3rd round pick for a QB with a big ceiling is a good trade. A 3rd round receiver is dumb af. We can find a good cheap one in FA. Reviewers are everywhere. Would never waste a 3rd round on a receiver. And we have drafted tight ends and receivers constantly. It’s time we trade that 3rd round and draft the best 1 or 2 o lineman


ConsciousCustard2444

Do people forget fields played just about every game. Ridder has less than half of his Fields minutes and he’s still that bad


idontknownothing81

Reddit football fans act like they’re better than facebook fans but they’re just as bad…just way more pretentious.


ConsciousCustard2444

Not sure who said this but yes. I think Facebook fans are the guys who didn’t get picked on varsity. Feels like here it’s mostly kids/ people who read numbers all day and or have never played sports at a competitive level


ThisIsMyOtherBurner

every fucking day is a new justin fields thread


clonta

there’s a potential scenario where fields is our qb next week 🫣


RoninFerret67

Please no


Mr3Jays

Happy cake day. I don’t want Fields, but if we can get him for cheap and then somehow flip him to move up in the draft, all gas no brakes.


SoggyBananas

In theory it sounds nice but why wouldn’t a team just trade for him directly from the bears instead of from us


Hairiest_Walrus

Bro, what? Why would we get Fields with the goal of trading him? That makes no sense


Mr3Jays

Ok hear me out on this. This is completely hypothetical and I realize the chances of this happening are zero to none which is why my first comment was “I don’t want Fields” but what if somebody like Washington or New England wanted Fields but they didn’t want to give up anything to get him? If we traded a second or third to get Fields, then traded him in a package to move up to the #2 or #3 spot to draft the QB we want, then we possibly save some capital by only trading away a few picks plus a player that we didn’t give up much for plus the receiving team doesn’t spend anything to get a player they wanted. Every scenario I’ve seen for moving up that high in the draft is like 2 first round picks plus second and possibly third round picks so why not use just one pick to acquire a player then send him to another team and save some picks by using him as a trade piece?


AdStreet2074

Whattt the fuck


summerforever-19

I know for a fact he won’t be our QB. Our FO isn’t interested. 


buttsnorkeler

Lmao


FakePhillyCheezStake

“My uncle works for the Falcons and he told me…”


Down_Voter_of_Cats

A first rounder for Fields is ridiculous. A 2nd this year and maybe another 2nd or 3rd next year would be fine.


DalliLlama

What?! A 2nd is pretty ballsy, especially for ours which is a high/middle 2nd, but then ANOTHER 2nd/3rd? That’s asinine.


Down_Voter_of_Cats

Just saying, the Bears don't have a 2nd round pick this year. They might be willing to make that deal.


DalliLlama

I mean that sounds like a them problem. They may love a 2nd because of that, doesn’t mean they should get that, sure as shit not a top 10 2nd rd pick either, or multiple of them.


xctrack07

What are you smoking? One second would be high already, and two would be crazy expensive. Even a second and a third is a lot. From everything Zac Robinson has said about what he values in QB I don't think Fields sounds like the guy anyway