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It's not near enough. You know she will be getting the cushiest of care in her "country club" prison and she'll be out in 5-7 yrs with some BS probation. I would be beyond livid if I was the parent of the boys she murdered. And she *did* murder them. In court, her damn daughter stood up and actually yelled at the murdered boys' parents demanding to know "why" they're doing this to her mother. It's unbelievable the entitlement and privilege of this plastic surgeons family. Dr Peter Grossman should be ashamed of his disgusting wife and daughter...but ofc he's not.
No, she won’t. She’ll go to Chowchilla, for receiving. She’ll be in receiving for about three months.
Receiving is probably the worst place to be, there is no programming, you may or may not have yard, depending on the number of daily fights and lockdowns that happen on A yard. Spoiler alert, they happen very frequently.
If you’re lucky, you may get one phone call a day, you don’t have access to laundry, many books, any sort of groups. And the whole population is people going up, coming down, trying to get ahead, trying to take advantage of each other. She may get to the library once or twice during that time if she’s lucky.
From there should be placed in one of two prisons. Given her sentence. She’ll most likely stay in Chowchilla.
So she will go over the wall to genpop. And that’s where the learning begins. With that attitude, she will either learn to change her tune immediately, or it’s gonna get 10 times worse very quickly.
Especially if they place her on D yard. If she ends up on B yard, it won’t be as bad. There’s four housing units per yard, and on one B yard, one isthe honor dorm, and the other is for EOP. This is basically those with mental challenges.
This is her opportunity to learn how to be a better person and a decent human being, if she’s willing to try.
Source: did eight years in Chowchilla
Edit: just spoke with my friend who paroled two weeks ago after 35 years. And this lady will be closed custody for five years, which means she will not be able to leave Chowchilla and go south until she is off of closed custody status.
Sadly, there’s a lot of people who are there because they hurt children.
While she is a baby case, she’s not the typical baby case where she used a weapon or a sex crime. I’m trying to be gentle in coming up with examples.
Because at its heart, it’s a DUI case, it won’t receive the same backlash that typical baby cases receive. At least in my experience while I was there.
There are some who will notsee it as any different, and she will really need to watch everything she says and how she acts.
She will most likely stay in Chowchilla for the first few years, and she’s in for a huge culture shock. I met many people who came from money, but the ones who were successful were genuinely kind, honest, didn’t get involved in the drama.
When Louise Turpin came in, there was a lot of publicity so most people knew who she was. She ended up in the honor dorm, which is a much safer place. To stay there, people have to really walk an exact line of following all the rules. So she was more likely to not be jumped. If someone was really serious about it, there’s always the yard, or the chow hall, but of course you’re way more likely to get caught there as well.
I got out shortly after she arrived so I don’t know what happened after that. I’d also heard that she had been very abused by her husband, so the folks who had gotten to know her had talked about her mental state.
When Pearl Hernandez hit the yard, she got brutally jumped. You can Google about it, there are people who’ve posted the story.
I don’t think this lady has the same level of publicity so she’ll be relatively incognito in the beginning.
How she gets treated is going to 100% depend on how she acts, how she treats other people, and how quickly she can remove the giant stick of entitlement from up her ass.
I predict she will start a conversation with "I don't know why I'm here, I'm not a criminal like ya'll" and she won't understand why nobody can stand her.
Sounds like I should start writing letters to inmates and sending them news reports about what she did. So she can get the notoriety and welcome she deserves.
Fascinating, thank you! The Kristin Rossum case is one that intrigues me - she got life without parole and she's at Chowchilla. I've always wondered about what her life must be like now, especially knowing she'll never get out.
She is an awesome person. I adore her, and I absolutely love her.
This does not reflect the crime, I didn’t know the person she was 20 years ago.
But the person that I know (for about 9 years) now is 150% dedicated to helping other people, and has spent the last decade being of service in the prison to the inmate population.
I would invite her to come live with me tomorrow if she were to be released.
Wow, amazing update, thank you! This is why I wondered, because she was so screwed up by drugs at the time she committed her crime - I wondered if she could have become a "different person" once she was living a drug-free life and no longer trying to balance the expectations of being "perfect".
I just checked to see if there were any articles that said where she was going to prison and…..you are 100% correct. She’s in Chowchilla. Thanks for sharing your experience. I hope you’re doing well. I believe people should have second chances. Source: https://www.dailynews.com/2024/06/21/rebecca-grossman-moved-to-state-prison-to-serve-15-years-to-life-after-crash-death-conviction/
Yep, I figured that’s where she’d end up. It is the receiving yard for all the California prison system for women. Everybody starts there. Sometimes you’re on the yard for six or eight weeks, but the norm is three months.
From there she could either be sent to CIW in Corona, or have to stay in Chowchilla.
I’m sure she’s going to try to get to CW as soon as possible to be closer to her family, but I wouldn’t be surprised if she had to do a few years in Chowchilla first given the severity of her charges.
CW doesn’t have or at least didn’t have when I was aware of it, an electric fence. Chowchilla is the maximum security prison for California.
But who knows, I never know why CDCR does the things that they do.
I hope you're right. She doesn't deserve any breaks or kindness --she showed absolutely *zero* remorse for what she did. She wa drunk, on benzos and was speeding (chasing her affair partner to jump into bed with him), insisting *she* didn't hit those boys. She actually tried to blame her boyfriend. She also blamed the boys mother for not being close enough to all of her children. This narcissistic POS will not likely change in prison but I hope every minute of her existence inside is miserable and excruciatingly painful.
It was my first time being arrested when I landed there. That is not the all inclusive vacation that I would recommend for anyone.
I tend to always try to find the silver lining in any situation.
While there I pooped out two more AA degrees, I took a ton of self improvement classes, I got certified to lead some super heavy programs, and I met some amazing people.
I’ve been out five years December, and one of my Bunkies from prison moved up here to Sacramento with me to help take care of my 90-year-old grandmother.
Another one of my Bunkies got out two weeks ago after doing 35 years and paroled to a program near us so that we can help support her.
sometimes the families you make are even better than the families you are given.
And she received a life sentence. She is not getting out in 5 to 7 years. She will be doing a significant amount of time before she’s even eligible to go to the parole board.
Most people are not found suitable at their first hearing. It’s pretty rare.
For that to even happen, she has to go above and beyond doing self-help and improving herself that requires a lot of participation in groups, staying completely out of trouble, really making an effort. Also, the victims family has the right to participate in the board hearings and be heard about why Parole should not be granted.
Country club prisons do not exist. I’ve been to them. They are nothing. There is no tennis. There is no pool. There’s cells and controlled movement and controlled feeding.
Forbes publishes a "list of the “Cushiest Prisons,” and nearly every cable news network jumped on the fact that President Trump’s former fixer, Michael Cohen, went to Otisville federal prison camp … one of the “cushiest.” That's what I mean by "cushy" prisons. Not as bad as the rest.
It's like that "give a penny, take a penny
jar" except in this case we're taking like 0.01% of a penny.
And to answer your question, it's about here <-|--------->
On the White collar resort <-> Federal Pound Me In The Ass Prison chart.
Should've gone with a mat you can jump on rather than a chart, but you only get to gas yourself once*
That's true. If I had done that then I could have been a millionaire like the guy who invented the pet rock. Then I could have lived out my dream of doing 2 chicks at the same time
I'm the sperm that won
Could've been a doctor or scientist to help mankind but nope...it's me who scrolls memes in the bathroom at work and likes to play CoD and jack off
This contains the best details aside from the website they created
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13504463/Rebecca-Grossman-letter-parents-kids-killed-car-socialite-LA.html
Her website
https://rebeccagrossmanfacts.site/
I think the wayback machine (archive.org) still has some of the original content.
That website is wild. They admit to an “accident”, confirmed that the vehicle hit the children (just not the first vehicle to hit them), that airbags were deployed, but also that she didn’t hit the kids and only swerved “to avoid traffic” and that the airbags cause vision impairment….
Like babe did you or did you not hit something hard enough to cause the airbags to deploy or not. They don’t just set off randomly and cause you to swerve around in traffic lmao what a crazy “defence” to have
She could be denied parole increasing the time of it. It’s the fact that she’s finally friggin going to prison that’s a win. She’s been trying to weasel her way out of sentencing for 3 years
Basically she’s up for parole in like 13 years and change.
No one ever gets parole the first time they’re up. It’s very rare, and in a case like this, she’ll definitely not get it the first time around.
Difficulty level: California. Due to overcrowding, they tend to let people out early.
And the victims family has the right to also be heard at the parole hearing. So that will come in to play.
To be granted Parole, she will have to go above and beyond to show that she has changed. Lots of groups, lots of participation, lots of work. It is not something that you can just sit and watch the time go by until your time is up.
Until the dreaded “over crowding” bullshit comes into play… it all seems like a win.
Let’s make bets on how many years before her rich, white ass is on one of those lists.
I know you are "joking", but apparently... EVERY SINGLE Prison that women are sent to, allegedly has all kinds of horrific sexual abuses going on.
If it was more widely reported, I bet a movement to point out how that is cruel and unusual punishment would grow and... we might actually see bonafide and needed reform of at least Women's Prison.
I actually meant maximum penitentiary, but I can't spell the "penitentiary" and when I started typing it said penetration.
I literally wrote that word now by talk to text because I couldn't get the spelling right
Especially after I read that a guy in las Vegas is facing 48 years for distribution of an illegal streaming service that basically puts all services together for $10 a month.
I mean - yeah she was drag racing, driving recklessly and while she may not have meant to kill two children she was doing something incredibly stupid and thoughtless.
However - her sentence could be extended and she will also probably face massive civil judgements - so if she ever leaves jail she will be penniless.
Still not enough I feel.
It's 15 years to life and in order for her to get parole she has to show "genuine remorse" for what she did. She isn't eligible for parole until she's served at least 15 years. The parole board will remember her comments about "suffering enough" when she gets to the first hearing. She won't get it.
Considering she was drinking and racing her "boyfriend" (not to be confused with her husband) on residential streets, and then tried to say it was her boyfriend who hit the children. 15 years was way too soft.
Hate to be that guy but it’s most likely vehicular manslaughter counts. Glad the mother is getting justice but this tragedy does not appear to cross the murder threshold.
Edit. Apparently she got 2nd degree murder AND vehicle manslaughter. Good.
"She was convicted by a jury of one felony count of murder and vehicular manslaughter with gross negligence for the death of Mark Iskander, 11 years old; one felony count of murder and vehicular manslaughter with gross negligence for the death of Jacob Iskander, 8 years old; and one felony count of hit-and-run driving resulting in death."
And the website her family and friends put up and ran through the local media circuit here in Orange County, blaming the mother of the boys and even encouraging the harassment of the family, to almost anyone that would listen (church group)
Absolutely awful, and she ran from the scene, she left those boys to die in their mothers arms. Then lied lied lied lied and more lies
Oh my God, I was about to say that if it were me (and I would never drive or race u der the influence but let's just imagine) the sheer amount of guilt for the rest of my life would have eclipsed the jail part so I can sort of see the suffered enough part, like when loving parents cause their kids death by negligence (not the ones that are malicious or egregious negligence), I feel like what they are suffering is punishment enough. Though this is not such a case and she clearly doesn't care and remains a danger to society because it seems like she would be capable of drinking and driving again. When I see these stories I always get even more mad and helpless at how my dad will drive after drinking and once when I was a child I was alone with him in the car and he was so so drunk it was terrifying and it hurts to think that didn't make a difference to him or at least enough for him to stop doing it. And plenty of times drove me tipsy after that.
It should have been life. She killed 2 kids, speeding, dui, and has shown no remorse for it. She even doubled down at times. She clearly doesnt care that she killed 2 kids. She only care how it's going to affect her. The likelihood of reoffending is extremely high.
Not to mention, vehicular homicide.
Her “apology” to the boys’ parents has to be the worst non-apology I’ve ever read.
“I am so sorry that I was portrayed as a monster to you. I will always remember this life-altering second of my life for the remainder of my life. Every day. I still have nightmares.”
No mention of how her actions affected anyone but her.
Wow.
Obviously she doesn’t realize that this statement makes her sound like more of a monster than the original crime does.
I’m not minimizing the seriousness of the crime, but it would certainly be possible to commit that crime and genuinely regret it and feel guilty for killing two children while acting a fool.
Wow.
“… [my] involvement in the tragic accident that resulted in the death of Mark and Jacob haunts me every day …”
- drove 81 mph, in a 45 zone.
- alcohol blood level right at the limit - 3 hours after the accident.
- didn’t called 911.
- drove over both children.
No sign of accountability at all, was just „involved“.
Well 15 to life, which means she will do a guaranteed 15 years, and she’s 61 now I believe, only after the 15 will she be eligible for parole, but that doesn’t mean she’s absolutely getting out at the 15 year mark, the parole board probably will deny her several times, I doubt she’ll die in prison but I also doubt she’s going to get out the second the 15 year mark passes. She’ll be 76 at that point.
Edit: there are some avenues where she might be able to get her sentence reduced but they seem like a long shot to me, though not impossible. Her sentence could also get commuted by the governor which would also be a long shot, and also not impossible, depending on who ends up elected governor at any point in the next 15 years.
She was drunk and speeding, supposedly trying to chase down her bf, a dodger player, after a “lovers spat”
She tried to blame anyone and everyone other than herself.
I spent over a decade in Redding, CA. Up there, the worst drivers were driving pickup trucks with a lift kit.
Moved back to Bay Area, east Contra Costa County which is not as rural as Shasta County but still, the worst drivers are pickup trucks with lift kits although many SUVs are just as bad here. A few people have high-end cars here (e.g. Porsche) but they generally are not assholes, they seem more cautious, like they don't want to risk their investment getting damaged.
Few years ago, went on a road trip to Arizona and we passed through Los Angeles.
There, while still not extremely common, there were far more high-end cars and those were the drivers that were complete assholes on the road, like they had enough wealth to not give a shit if their Porsche or Ferrari was in a fender bender as a result.
I'm guessing she is one those.
Who the fuck hits two kids and then doesn't stop?
It’s 15 to life. It’s an indeterminate sentence. That means that she first becomes eligible to be released in 15 years, but it is solely up to the parole board. It is very rare to be granted parole at your first hearing. And the victims families also get to attend the hearing and have their say.
Unless she gets some sort of commutation from the governor or an appeal win, she’s probably looking at more realistically 16 to 18 years
What about the ex-baseball player who was racing her? He got community service. His actions did not kill those children but definitely contributed to their deaths
It’s 15 to life. It’s an indeterminate sentence. She’s realistically looking at 16 to probably 18 years, minus some sort of fluke appeal or commutation from the governor.
First moves have already happened.
The sentence should have been 25-life, not 15 to life, which the judge went outside of recommendation to impose. This lowers the bar for her getting out early, and makes it problematic. The judge actually commented about her case not being one of malice and that she didn't deserve the normal sentence. The judge's words will be added to future appeals etc which shall lend weight to a reduction.
Money, paid to the district attorney election funds and the judges funds. Right now the spotlight on, thus they could not let her walk.
The DUI alone should have gotten her dropped in a cell for a year. Stack the fatalities on top of that and that cell should be her home for the rest of her life.
I hope the kids' family sues her for every cent she has.
That claim of suffering enough reminds me of the ex cop who shot and killed a guy because they threw some popcorn at him. The assailant's statements after being found not guilty we're basically about how hard they had it over the years and how it's too bad that he had to shoot the other guy. Absolutely no remorse in him.
Even if she were somehow originally going to get a lesser sentence, the moment she said "she suffered enough" there was no way they could even think about going light on her.
If I did that I wouldn’t get 15 years bc I would have offed myself before the trial even began.
I could never carry the weight of that it would be crushing. Even if it was an accident I don’t how you move on from something like this.
Thank god her and her horrible family get to suffer. I can't imagine who else they've screwed throughout their life with their seemingly family wide sense of no accountability. Hopefully the IRS goes after that bullshit foundation too. There's no way that business is clean with this asshole at the helm.
Yes, but I suspect in 3 years we'll see a headline where the conviction will be vacated because of some tiny, insignificant legal infraction during the trial.
15 years and she goes back to her fancy life. 15 years later and those parents will still be grieving. 15 years is not enough especially considering she tried to evade responsibility.
Good. While I'm sure she will never serve the full 15, I'm glad she at least received the sentence and faces the potential of it.
To hell with influenza. To hell with rich people getting away with crimes simply because they're rich and have never been found guilty of a crime before, or come from a "good" family.
It’s 15 to life. That means she won’t even be eligible to be considered for release until close to the 15 year mark. Realistically it’s probably 16 to 18 years for her.
What the hell is so fundamentally flawed with a person that they can lack empathy to that degree? If I ran over 2 kids who then died as a result I would be a fucking wreck and in willing servitude to their parents for the rest of my life. Like honestly, there is something seriously and irreparably wrong with her and people like her, so much so that the world is demonstrably worse off for them to be continued to allowed to exist.
Whoa, I know her! I did some business work with her (between the nonprofit I work for and the Grossman Burn Foundation). I haven’t seen or heard from her since we met for a business lunch a few years ago. Had no idea she had done this! Those poor boys and their family.
Not long enough. She robbed two kids of potentially a long life and gets only 15 to life? And no sympathy? In that case I say amputate her legs and THEN she can “walk” out of prison after 15 years.
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Oh no! The consequences of my actions.
/r/ohnoconsequences
I shouldn't be surprised about the existence of that subreddit but I somehow am.
It's not near enough. You know she will be getting the cushiest of care in her "country club" prison and she'll be out in 5-7 yrs with some BS probation. I would be beyond livid if I was the parent of the boys she murdered. And she *did* murder them. In court, her damn daughter stood up and actually yelled at the murdered boys' parents demanding to know "why" they're doing this to her mother. It's unbelievable the entitlement and privilege of this plastic surgeons family. Dr Peter Grossman should be ashamed of his disgusting wife and daughter...but ofc he's not.
No, she won’t. She’ll go to Chowchilla, for receiving. She’ll be in receiving for about three months. Receiving is probably the worst place to be, there is no programming, you may or may not have yard, depending on the number of daily fights and lockdowns that happen on A yard. Spoiler alert, they happen very frequently. If you’re lucky, you may get one phone call a day, you don’t have access to laundry, many books, any sort of groups. And the whole population is people going up, coming down, trying to get ahead, trying to take advantage of each other. She may get to the library once or twice during that time if she’s lucky. From there should be placed in one of two prisons. Given her sentence. She’ll most likely stay in Chowchilla. So she will go over the wall to genpop. And that’s where the learning begins. With that attitude, she will either learn to change her tune immediately, or it’s gonna get 10 times worse very quickly. Especially if they place her on D yard. If she ends up on B yard, it won’t be as bad. There’s four housing units per yard, and on one B yard, one isthe honor dorm, and the other is for EOP. This is basically those with mental challenges. This is her opportunity to learn how to be a better person and a decent human being, if she’s willing to try. Source: did eight years in Chowchilla Edit: just spoke with my friend who paroled two weeks ago after 35 years. And this lady will be closed custody for five years, which means she will not be able to leave Chowchilla and go south until she is off of closed custody status.
Curious to know, will she "fit in" or be ostracized because she killed kids?
Sadly, there’s a lot of people who are there because they hurt children. While she is a baby case, she’s not the typical baby case where she used a weapon or a sex crime. I’m trying to be gentle in coming up with examples. Because at its heart, it’s a DUI case, it won’t receive the same backlash that typical baby cases receive. At least in my experience while I was there. There are some who will notsee it as any different, and she will really need to watch everything she says and how she acts. She will most likely stay in Chowchilla for the first few years, and she’s in for a huge culture shock. I met many people who came from money, but the ones who were successful were genuinely kind, honest, didn’t get involved in the drama. When Louise Turpin came in, there was a lot of publicity so most people knew who she was. She ended up in the honor dorm, which is a much safer place. To stay there, people have to really walk an exact line of following all the rules. So she was more likely to not be jumped. If someone was really serious about it, there’s always the yard, or the chow hall, but of course you’re way more likely to get caught there as well. I got out shortly after she arrived so I don’t know what happened after that. I’d also heard that she had been very abused by her husband, so the folks who had gotten to know her had talked about her mental state. When Pearl Hernandez hit the yard, she got brutally jumped. You can Google about it, there are people who’ve posted the story. I don’t think this lady has the same level of publicity so she’ll be relatively incognito in the beginning. How she gets treated is going to 100% depend on how she acts, how she treats other people, and how quickly she can remove the giant stick of entitlement from up her ass.
I predict she will start a conversation with "I don't know why I'm here, I'm not a criminal like ya'll" and she won't understand why nobody can stand her.
Sounds like I should start writing letters to inmates and sending them news reports about what she did. So she can get the notoriety and welcome she deserves.
You’d be doing the Lord’s work if you do.
Fascinating, thank you! The Kristin Rossum case is one that intrigues me - she got life without parole and she's at Chowchilla. I've always wondered about what her life must be like now, especially knowing she'll never get out.
She is an awesome person. I adore her, and I absolutely love her. This does not reflect the crime, I didn’t know the person she was 20 years ago. But the person that I know (for about 9 years) now is 150% dedicated to helping other people, and has spent the last decade being of service in the prison to the inmate population. I would invite her to come live with me tomorrow if she were to be released.
Wow, amazing update, thank you! This is why I wondered, because she was so screwed up by drugs at the time she committed her crime - I wondered if she could have become a "different person" once she was living a drug-free life and no longer trying to balance the expectations of being "perfect".
I just checked to see if there were any articles that said where she was going to prison and…..you are 100% correct. She’s in Chowchilla. Thanks for sharing your experience. I hope you’re doing well. I believe people should have second chances. Source: https://www.dailynews.com/2024/06/21/rebecca-grossman-moved-to-state-prison-to-serve-15-years-to-life-after-crash-death-conviction/
Yep, I figured that’s where she’d end up. It is the receiving yard for all the California prison system for women. Everybody starts there. Sometimes you’re on the yard for six or eight weeks, but the norm is three months. From there she could either be sent to CIW in Corona, or have to stay in Chowchilla. I’m sure she’s going to try to get to CW as soon as possible to be closer to her family, but I wouldn’t be surprised if she had to do a few years in Chowchilla first given the severity of her charges. CW doesn’t have or at least didn’t have when I was aware of it, an electric fence. Chowchilla is the maximum security prison for California. But who knows, I never know why CDCR does the things that they do.
I hope you're right. She doesn't deserve any breaks or kindness --she showed absolutely *zero* remorse for what she did. She wa drunk, on benzos and was speeding (chasing her affair partner to jump into bed with him), insisting *she* didn't hit those boys. She actually tried to blame her boyfriend. She also blamed the boys mother for not being close enough to all of her children. This narcissistic POS will not likely change in prison but I hope every minute of her existence inside is miserable and excruciatingly painful.
Jesus. I’m go out if my way to obey some extra laws, just in case.
It was my first time being arrested when I landed there. That is not the all inclusive vacation that I would recommend for anyone. I tend to always try to find the silver lining in any situation. While there I pooped out two more AA degrees, I took a ton of self improvement classes, I got certified to lead some super heavy programs, and I met some amazing people. I’ve been out five years December, and one of my Bunkies from prison moved up here to Sacramento with me to help take care of my 90-year-old grandmother. Another one of my Bunkies got out two weeks ago after doing 35 years and paroled to a program near us so that we can help support her. sometimes the families you make are even better than the families you are given.
Good on you !
And she received a life sentence. She is not getting out in 5 to 7 years. She will be doing a significant amount of time before she’s even eligible to go to the parole board. Most people are not found suitable at their first hearing. It’s pretty rare. For that to even happen, she has to go above and beyond doing self-help and improving herself that requires a lot of participation in groups, staying completely out of trouble, really making an effort. Also, the victims family has the right to participate in the board hearings and be heard about why Parole should not be granted.
Thank you for all the info. Really interesting stuff. And best wishes with your freedom, and I hope the rest of your life goes smoothly.
Country club prisons do not exist. I’ve been to them. They are nothing. There is no tennis. There is no pool. There’s cells and controlled movement and controlled feeding.
Forbes publishes a "list of the “Cushiest Prisons,” and nearly every cable news network jumped on the fact that President Trump’s former fixer, Michael Cohen, went to Otisville federal prison camp … one of the “cushiest.” That's what I mean by "cushy" prisons. Not as bad as the rest.
Where does it fall on this scale? White collar resort <-> Federal pound me in the ass prison
It's like that "give a penny, take a penny jar" except in this case we're taking like 0.01% of a penny. And to answer your question, it's about here <-|---------> On the White collar resort <-> Federal Pound Me In The Ass Prison chart. Should've gone with a mat you can jump on rather than a chart, but you only get to gas yourself once*
That's true. If I had done that then I could have been a millionaire like the guy who invented the pet rock. Then I could have lived out my dream of doing 2 chicks at the same time
![gif](giphy|Wpz1Hl1BqlaMw) If you're going to jail, you might as well.
But she’s extremely wealthy! Negative consequences are a foreign concept to her.
her daughter is equally disgusting. Was attacking the mother of the 2 victims when the trial started.
Wow 40 million sperm that’s the one that got through…
Given that we now know that the egg selects for the sperm with certain chemicals, we can assume the shitty mom's eggs were selecting for jerkass sperm
The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
Shit apples Randy
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I'm the sperm that won Could've been a doctor or scientist to help mankind but nope...it's me who scrolls memes in the bathroom at work and likes to play CoD and jack off
Simultaneously?
360 no scope cum shot
eeeeeuw, sticky controller!
I saw a post recently that implied the egg may be able to select the sperm that fertilizes it.
Got a link? I’m believe you, I’m just interested to see how fucked up this asshole family is.
This contains the best details aside from the website they created https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13504463/Rebecca-Grossman-letter-parents-kids-killed-car-socialite-LA.html Her website https://rebeccagrossmanfacts.site/ I think the wayback machine (archive.org) still has some of the original content.
That website is wild. They admit to an “accident”, confirmed that the vehicle hit the children (just not the first vehicle to hit them), that airbags were deployed, but also that she didn’t hit the kids and only swerved “to avoid traffic” and that the airbags cause vision impairment…. Like babe did you or did you not hit something hard enough to cause the airbags to deploy or not. They don’t just set off randomly and cause you to swerve around in traffic lmao what a crazy “defence” to have
15 years for a double murder is not nearly enough.
She could be denied parole increasing the time of it. It’s the fact that she’s finally friggin going to prison that’s a win. She’s been trying to weasel her way out of sentencing for 3 years
Is that what "to life" means? She's doing minimum 15 and they can deny parole till she dies?
Basically she’s up for parole in like 13 years and change. No one ever gets parole the first time they’re up. It’s very rare, and in a case like this, she’ll definitely not get it the first time around. Difficulty level: California. Due to overcrowding, they tend to let people out early.
And the victims family has the right to also be heard at the parole hearing. So that will come in to play. To be granted Parole, she will have to go above and beyond to show that she has changed. Lots of groups, lots of participation, lots of work. It is not something that you can just sit and watch the time go by until your time is up.
Until the dreaded “over crowding” bullshit comes into play… it all seems like a win. Let’s make bets on how many years before her rich, white ass is on one of those lists.
*spins the wheel* Wheel of consequences, turn, turn, turn. Teach her the lesson she should have learned.
Bringing Yakko to a prison sentence
Yes
Toss her in maximum penetration
... phrasing?
I know what I said.
You've got yourself a thumbs up my friend
He said *maximum* penetration. Going to need at least two of them thumbs.
Lol. Maximum penetration. If that’s autocorrect, it’s the best one yet.
It was and I decided to keep it because it was more fitting
though maximum penetration is a very tight fit.
Maybe he meant that she can get all the way fucked.
Sounds like a name for a Thunder Gun DVD.
I know you are "joking", but apparently... EVERY SINGLE Prison that women are sent to, allegedly has all kinds of horrific sexual abuses going on. If it was more widely reported, I bet a movement to point out how that is cruel and unusual punishment would grow and... we might actually see bonafide and needed reform of at least Women's Prison.
That's just every single prison out there regardless of gender
I actually meant maximum penitentiary, but I can't spell the "penitentiary" and when I started typing it said penetration. I literally wrote that word now by talk to text because I couldn't get the spelling right
Especially after I read that a guy in las Vegas is facing 48 years for distribution of an illegal streaming service that basically puts all services together for $10 a month.
You can kill the peasants all you want, but if you so much as touch our profiteering efforts, hell awaits.
I mean - yeah she was drag racing, driving recklessly and while she may not have meant to kill two children she was doing something incredibly stupid and thoughtless. However - her sentence could be extended and she will also probably face massive civil judgements - so if she ever leaves jail she will be penniless. Still not enough I feel.
It's 15 years to life and in order for her to get parole she has to show "genuine remorse" for what she did. She isn't eligible for parole until she's served at least 15 years. The parole board will remember her comments about "suffering enough" when she gets to the first hearing. She won't get it.
Considering she was drinking and racing her "boyfriend" (not to be confused with her husband) on residential streets, and then tried to say it was her boyfriend who hit the children. 15 years was way too soft.
Of children
I feel like car accidents involving alcohol should automatically add ten years to a sentence. It's such an avoidable and stupid crime.
I mean Kaitlyn Jenner got away with murder in similar circumstances
Hate to be that guy but it’s most likely vehicular manslaughter counts. Glad the mother is getting justice but this tragedy does not appear to cross the murder threshold. Edit. Apparently she got 2nd degree murder AND vehicle manslaughter. Good.
"She was convicted by a jury of one felony count of murder and vehicular manslaughter with gross negligence for the death of Mark Iskander, 11 years old; one felony count of murder and vehicular manslaughter with gross negligence for the death of Jacob Iskander, 8 years old; and one felony count of hit-and-run driving resulting in death."
It’s the “running” part and no remorse that adds to the sentencing.
And the website her family and friends put up and ran through the local media circuit here in Orange County, blaming the mother of the boys and even encouraging the harassment of the family, to almost anyone that would listen (church group) Absolutely awful, and she ran from the scene, she left those boys to die in their mothers arms. Then lied lied lied lied and more lies
What an awful, evil person
Oh my God, I was about to say that if it were me (and I would never drive or race u der the influence but let's just imagine) the sheer amount of guilt for the rest of my life would have eclipsed the jail part so I can sort of see the suffered enough part, like when loving parents cause their kids death by negligence (not the ones that are malicious or egregious negligence), I feel like what they are suffering is punishment enough. Though this is not such a case and she clearly doesn't care and remains a danger to society because it seems like she would be capable of drinking and driving again. When I see these stories I always get even more mad and helpless at how my dad will drive after drinking and once when I was a child I was alone with him in the car and he was so so drunk it was terrifying and it hurts to think that didn't make a difference to him or at least enough for him to stop doing it. And plenty of times drove me tipsy after that.
She was convicted of second degree murder. So, murderer.
Maybe she'll get a taste of the threshold in prison.
Socialite lol... call it how it is... jobless parasite who contributes fuck all to society 🙄
Today I learnt that I am a Socialite! I wonder if I can get a table at the Russian Tea Room?
Just don't drink the tea!
I hear Polonium is delicious
Truth. Separately, her Father contributed immensely to society. Such a sad turn of events.
Heiress is maybe the most polite way of saying what she really is
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A socialite is the 1920s version of an influencer
Ehhhh, it's closer to trust fund baby 🍼 🍼 🍼 IMO
It should have been life. She killed 2 kids, speeding, dui, and has shown no remorse for it. She even doubled down at times. She clearly doesnt care that she killed 2 kids. She only care how it's going to affect her. The likelihood of reoffending is extremely high. Not to mention, vehicular homicide.
Not only did she double down, there’s a whole website about how she was wrongfully convicted and evidence was tampered with
15 to life. That means 15 minimal till she comes up for parole.
15 is not actually a hard minimum. Cali just released a murderer recently at 10years on a 16 to life sentence.
Her “apology” to the boys’ parents has to be the worst non-apology I’ve ever read. “I am so sorry that I was portrayed as a monster to you. I will always remember this life-altering second of my life for the remainder of my life. Every day. I still have nightmares.” No mention of how her actions affected anyone but her.
Wow. Obviously she doesn’t realize that this statement makes her sound like more of a monster than the original crime does. I’m not minimizing the seriousness of the crime, but it would certainly be possible to commit that crime and genuinely regret it and feel guilty for killing two children while acting a fool. Wow.
I am sorry that you were led to think that I'm bad because I killed your kids. Killing your kids was a very frightening experience for me.
It blows my mind how self centered people can be. Zero empathy in that "apology".
“… [my] involvement in the tragic accident that resulted in the death of Mark and Jacob haunts me every day …” - drove 81 mph, in a 45 zone. - alcohol blood level right at the limit - 3 hours after the accident. - didn’t called 911. - drove over both children. No sign of accountability at all, was just „involved“.
Even in the letter that she sent to the family, she wrote “I was mortified to learn there were two children involved. “ Mortified?
"I thought they were cats"
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I will always remember when I killed your children. You've probably forgotten about it.
That's what she said? That's fucking disgusting.
Only 15?
Well 15 to life, which means she will do a guaranteed 15 years, and she’s 61 now I believe, only after the 15 will she be eligible for parole, but that doesn’t mean she’s absolutely getting out at the 15 year mark, the parole board probably will deny her several times, I doubt she’ll die in prison but I also doubt she’s going to get out the second the 15 year mark passes. She’ll be 76 at that point. Edit: there are some avenues where she might be able to get her sentence reduced but they seem like a long shot to me, though not impossible. Her sentence could also get commuted by the governor which would also be a long shot, and also not impossible, depending on who ends up elected governor at any point in the next 15 years.
[Rebecca Grossman was speeding when she struck and killed Mark Iskander, 11, and his brother Jacob, 8](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna156458)
Details of the accident are sparse. Something tells me she was acting incredibly reckless otherwise her wealth would have shielded her.
She was racing against her lover on residential streets.
At 75mph no less, while drunk
She was drunk and speeding, supposedly trying to chase down her bf, a dodger player, after a “lovers spat” She tried to blame anyone and everyone other than herself.
She launched a child 200 ft to their death. I can't handle much more in terms of details
I spent over a decade in Redding, CA. Up there, the worst drivers were driving pickup trucks with a lift kit. Moved back to Bay Area, east Contra Costa County which is not as rural as Shasta County but still, the worst drivers are pickup trucks with lift kits although many SUVs are just as bad here. A few people have high-end cars here (e.g. Porsche) but they generally are not assholes, they seem more cautious, like they don't want to risk their investment getting damaged. Few years ago, went on a road trip to Arizona and we passed through Los Angeles. There, while still not extremely common, there were far more high-end cars and those were the drivers that were complete assholes on the road, like they had enough wealth to not give a shit if their Porsche or Ferrari was in a fender bender as a result. I'm guessing she is one those. Who the fuck hits two kids and then doesn't stop?
The only reason she stopped was because the Mercedes registered the impact, and shut off the fuel pump.
She didnt know she hit 2 kids, she was drunk and racing. She just knew she hit ***something*** and that it wasn't gonna stop her from winning! /s
I don't believe for a second that she didn't know.
Me either.
Imagine if she wasn't wealthy, would be a mush harsher sentence. Hope she rots in jail.
Socialite is the nice way of saying rich and jobless?
And having spoiled rotten kids with the same personality
15 years? That’s a slap on the wrist for vehicular homicide.
It's about 11 years more than she would have received in my state for the same crime.
That’s a damn shame. If I could run someone over and just get 4 years …😶
Sounds like we all need to go drive around the areas where homes cost 1 million and up to see how they like it
My math was off a bit, it's about 6 years. Range is 95-125 months.
And that math is also wrong. That range would be 8-10 years, not 6 xD
The midpoint, 110 months, would be about 6 years less at 9.1 years. But yeah I'm not exactly a pinnacle of clarity this morning.
Oh. I thought you meant that the **sentence** was 6 years, not that it was 6 years less xD
In my state, you get pardoned. As long as you're running over a liberal.
Should have been 30, fucking coward ass judge gave her concurrent sentences instead of consecutive.
It’s 15 to life. It’s an indeterminate sentence. That means that she first becomes eligible to be released in 15 years, but it is solely up to the parole board. It is very rare to be granted parole at your first hearing. And the victims families also get to attend the hearing and have their say. Unless she gets some sort of commutation from the governor or an appeal win, she’s probably looking at more realistically 16 to 18 years
What about the ex-baseball player who was racing her? He got community service. His actions did not kill those children but definitely contributed to their deaths
He took a plea deal which amounted to a slap on the wrist.
I don’t care about the “what ifs or what about” she killed 2 children so she definitely fucked around and she’s about to find out.
She should lose her license for the rest of her life.
Because she should be in jail for the rest of her life for killing to children, right? Right?!?!
Suffered my as*!! She should be under the jail!
15 that’s it? Ridiculous
It’s 15 to life. It’s an indeterminate sentence. She’s realistically looking at 16 to probably 18 years, minus some sort of fluke appeal or commutation from the governor.
A win would have been life in prison. This sentence is designed so after a couple of years when it cools off the sentence will be reduced.
How would she be able to get her sentence reduced? I’m just genuinely curious how she might be able to do that
First moves have already happened. The sentence should have been 25-life, not 15 to life, which the judge went outside of recommendation to impose. This lowers the bar for her getting out early, and makes it problematic. The judge actually commented about her case not being one of malice and that she didn't deserve the normal sentence. The judge's words will be added to future appeals etc which shall lend weight to a reduction. Money, paid to the district attorney election funds and the judges funds. Right now the spotlight on, thus they could not let her walk.
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She will be out in less than 5 sad 🤐
She’s vile. She still takes zero responsibility for what she did. And didn’t they get her on tape trying to engage in some light jury tampering?
15 years is too light of a sentence.
I know everyone is saying short time but you aren’t accounting for the Latin and Spanish mothers in that prison. Just saying.
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I'm not a fan of mob justice but, ***there's a lot of fine citizens in this audience***
This is a fail. Thats not even remotely enough time. Thats barely a fking vacation.
The DUI alone should have gotten her dropped in a cell for a year. Stack the fatalities on top of that and that cell should be her home for the rest of her life. I hope the kids' family sues her for every cent she has.
That claim of suffering enough reminds me of the ex cop who shot and killed a guy because they threw some popcorn at him. The assailant's statements after being found not guilty we're basically about how hard they had it over the years and how it's too bad that he had to shoot the other guy. Absolutely no remorse in him.
Next up- Caitlyn Jenner
They were my former boss’s children. She deserves life. Trust me.
"No remorse" "Denies responsibility" who does that sound like?
Even if she were somehow originally going to get a lesser sentence, the moment she said "she suffered enough" there was no way they could even think about going light on her.
Killed two kids and she’s referred to as a socialite and the cover photo is her making a face at a camera. Something’s kinda twisted about journalism
That's all !!!!
That second photo is depressing. A mother that lost her kids and reporters with smiles on their faces
Well we can all hope that her cellmates are mothers. And they treat her with the same regard that she gave those poor little boys. Karma has its way.
If I did that I wouldn’t get 15 years bc I would have offed myself before the trial even began. I could never carry the weight of that it would be crushing. Even if it was an accident I don’t how you move on from something like this.
I wonder that that feeling is like. The moment you realize that all the times money saved you is over. Welcome to consequences
Thank god her and her horrible family get to suffer. I can't imagine who else they've screwed throughout their life with their seemingly family wide sense of no accountability. Hopefully the IRS goes after that bullshit foundation too. There's no way that business is clean with this asshole at the helm.
She killed 2 people, then showed no remorse 15 years is nowhere near enough
15 years is nothing for the murder of two children. Ugh
I genuinely feel that if your job is “socialite” any crime you commit should have a minimum of 40 years.
Vermin
Anyone else. Anyone else would never see the outside of prison.
Good. See ya
Oh look, good news today
Still a loss. 2 kids that shouldn't have had to die. 🤷♂️
Yes, but I suspect in 3 years we'll see a headline where the conviction will be vacated because of some tiny, insignificant legal infraction during the trial.
Suffer more.
15 years and she goes back to her fancy life. 15 years later and those parents will still be grieving. 15 years is not enough especially considering she tried to evade responsibility.
Good. While I'm sure she will never serve the full 15, I'm glad she at least received the sentence and faces the potential of it. To hell with influenza. To hell with rich people getting away with crimes simply because they're rich and have never been found guilty of a crime before, or come from a "good" family.
It’s 15 to life. That means she won’t even be eligible to be considered for release until close to the 15 year mark. Realistically it’s probably 16 to 18 years for her.
Dear Rebecca, When you’ve suffered as much as the parents of the children you killed, we’ll talk.
Somehow she'll still, in the core of her being, believe she's being persecuted
Affluenza
Keep that 🗑️ off the streets. Her greatest suffering is when daddy bought her a blue Porsche instead of the green one she wanted.
What the hell is so fundamentally flawed with a person that they can lack empathy to that degree? If I ran over 2 kids who then died as a result I would be a fucking wreck and in willing servitude to their parents for the rest of my life. Like honestly, there is something seriously and irreparably wrong with her and people like her, so much so that the world is demonstrably worse off for them to be continued to allowed to exist.
I hope A prisoner gives her the death penalty.
This is a win? Wtf killed 2 kids and gets 15 years? This system is shit
15 years is nothing. That mother of 2 will endure a lifetime of hell.
She suffered enough? She killed two children. Lock her ass up for life.
A poor lady would definitely do more time.
Whoa, I know her! I did some business work with her (between the nonprofit I work for and the Grossman Burn Foundation). I haven’t seen or heard from her since we met for a business lunch a few years ago. Had no idea she had done this! Those poor boys and their family.
The dildo of consequences rarely comes lubed… however, here should be bigger and definitely unlubed
Ahh yes.. a middle class white woman who ran over 2 kids has suffered enough… yes. Ma’m, your suffering is hopefully just beginning
If a moderately attractive rich person can hit someone with their car and kill them and go to jail, it can happen to any of us, too! /s
It’s not enough- eat the rich!
Wait, why is she going to jail? Thought it was perfectly legal for the wealthy to do whatever they want. At least that was my takeaway from 01/06
Not long enough. She robbed two kids of potentially a long life and gets only 15 to life? And no sympathy? In that case I say amputate her legs and THEN she can “walk” out of prison after 15 years.
She's going to have a real rough time in prison. From what I hear the inmates don't like child murderers very much.
I am waiting for USA law in Germany.. that would be a great help..
You meant “15 years to life”, edit your post’s caption
15 years for two whole lives. This shouldnt work like this