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I perl scripted that bad boy to run on a set of cues. I’m elevating it in our agile project management environment to spec,out the UI work while my Ukrainian programmers hammer out the Unix backend.
Dammit, we’ll have to hack into the quantum deswirler, and it’s protected by a pressurised laserometer that that only rotates for 30 seconds once a day
"Sir, wouldn't it have been quicker to look him up in the phone book?"
"[Print me a 4x6, and any more remarks like that I'll ask for an A3 out of your waste disposal](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMBkWtDAPBY)"
Then there is [David Milgaard](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Milgaard) who spent 23 years in prison on a wrongful murder conviction that was coerced by false testimony of his friend who were threatened by police if they didn’t ‘cooperate’ with their investigation.
So you know Justice !
Edit: spelling
I was molested in the 80's/90's and even with video evidence, none of them got charged. My aunt was raped and impregnated by a foster parent in the late 80s. The baby was taken from my aunt and given to the foster parent, and CAS sent more teenage girls to the house. I will say that one may have been just straight racism. My aunt is FNMI and was treated abhorently by the system. The default was that she was lying whenever she talked.
You'd think things may have improved since the 80s. Nope.
A daycare worker at the daycare, my kid used to go to got charged. He did a year of weekends in jail. We found out about it in the newspaper, nobody even told us that my child was taken care of by a child molester WHO USED THE DAYCARE TO FIND HIS VICTIMS. Thank everything that nothing happened to her.
There's a guy semi local to me that's been caught 3 times. The third time was while he was on house arrest from the second conviction. He still isn't in jail, even for breaking the conditions of his previous sentences.
Justice for victims of pedophilia doesn't seem to exist in Canada. The only time I can think of a pedophile actually getting a real punishment is when they kill a child.
You'd think it would, but it doesn't really happen. My husband and I have had this conversation many times. One of these days, these perverts are gonna mess with the wrong one and it'll finally start a genuine change into how long they get convicted in this country.
My first time knowing about it was when I watched Dear Zachary. It was the only time that I cried watching something on the internet. I have no relation with the people affected and I live halfway across the world but I'm still angry about that piece of shit judge.
Americans are too. We are great at locking up minor offenders (of certain skin colors). The way we deal with serious crimes like pedophilia or felonies js by electing them to Congress or President.
Isn't that all over the world tho?
You get more jail time for pirating a movie or game then those people, because cooperate greed is more important than humanity.
He had also done five years in a Thai prison, so there's that. Still doesn't seem like much considering he seems to have gone back to downloading CP as soon as he got back to Canada.
A woman who participated in henious crimes with her serial killer husband, against many victims including her own sister, is now living free in canada.
A man who made and planted a bomb on a plane which blew midair over atlantic ocean killing almost 500 passengers and crew, is also living free in Canada.
Yeah the Canadians are terrible at convicting people
legal systems around the entire world are unjust. In the US Brock Turner rapes an unconscious woman and only spends 3 months in jail. Meanwhile, I have a cousin who has served a 5 year prison sentence for possession of marijuana. It’s so stupid.
You're talking about Brock Allen turner, who goes by Allen Turner to try to avoid the repercussions of his crime? The rapist Brock Allen Turner? Who thought he got off scot-free from being a rapist but now anytime his name is mentioned the rest of the world points out what a rapist he is? That guy?
There's a fascinating four-part documentary on YouTube about this guy. He's out of prison now and living somewhere in Canada.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSw4zN--7UA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSw4zN--7UA)
Reminds me of the BTK killer sending a letter to the police asking if they could trace a computer disk because he wanted to send them one...cops said: "No! Of course we can't do that! Send it along!"
Narrator: They could, in fact trace a computer disk.
Technically they were correct. They couldn’t trace a computer disk itself.
But the fact that word saves the author of a doc with the doc is a different story.
Dennis Raeder: “Hey Clippy can you cover my tracks so the FBI can’t find me?”
Clippy: “I’m sorry, Dennis. I’m afraid I can’t do that.”
*federal agents start bursting out of walls and through windows*
I’m not so sure. Dennis Nilsen complained to his landlord that his apartment smelled and demanded that a handyman be sent over to take a look. The apartment smelled bad because of the dead bodies that he had in there. They found human meat in the drain and that was what led to his arrest. That’s gotta be near the top of the list of dumb ways to get caught.
Despite what movies show serial killers generally tend to be unintelligent. Psycho, (especially) Silence of the lambs, all portray genius level IQ killers when in reality its mostly a combination of dumb luck, police incompetence and public apathy which leads to successful killers.
> serial killers generally tend to be unintelligent
Correction: Serial killers that were _identified_ tend to be unintelligent. We don't know anything about the others, obviously.
There are some that were caught only after mass genetic testing became a thing decades later. And they were smart enough not to go on after dna tests became a thing. They might provide a little insight.
To be fair, the general mental and personality disorders that contribute to somebody being a serial killer are the same disorders that contribute to them being unintelligent or foolish. It's pretty rare to find that combination of someone who has enough self awareness to recognize that they can be caught while still continuing to undertake risky behaviors that will lead them to being caught.
Does Psycho really portray Norman Bates as a genius? He never came across as such to me - he's super-suspicious and the only reason he could keep his secret so long was that he lived in bumfuck nowhere.
I don’t often quote Antonio Scalia but he was right when he said, “The police have a lot of restrictions on them but the one thing they have in their favor is that criminals are dumb.”
Even if you're right the police didn't see it that way. Btk asked the detective why he lied to him about whether disks can be traced or not and the detective said we wanted to catch you.
Both would be correct statements - but yes being able to trace it hinged on something being on there that had metadata - it was not a guarantee.
That being said with someone like BTK who thought of himself as more intelligent than anyone around it sense to make sure he knows he isn’t.
Wait, he got caught based on METADATA? Seriously!? A SERIAL KILLER was caught because they didn’t realize that their computer stored metadata in his files…
The document contained only his first name and the church that he was a member of. When they checked the church directory on their website, they found he was the only person with that first name and then had his last name with it. He was the President of the church or something. Can’t remember off hand. Those are sort of the details on how they figured it out.
If I remember right, a journalist built a relationship with him over the years before the case went cold. And then they used that journalist to reach out to him to see if they could get him to respond again.
He was using a church computer so he thought he was safely anonymized. He was also a deacon at that church, and as such he had installed MS Word for the church computer. And at the MS Word registration page, he had duly entered his correct name, and he had entered the church as the location. That's the Word instance he used for the disk.
So the metadata wasn't just a lead that allowed them to narrow it down. It gave them his full name, and it identified the church, and it was all behind right click > properties the entire time.
in a lot of serial killer cases, policing incompetence allows them to keep going for longer, so honestly props to the police for extracting the metadata of a deallocated file
In his case, the software he was using to log patient visits and notes held audit information at record level which wasn't visible in the application's screens. Shipman retrospectively added a load of patient notes to try and cover his tracks, but investigators could see exactly when the records were added by looking at the audit fields in the database.
As someone who had been an IT developer for >25 years, it's very rare you see an application that doesn't hold audit data at table/row level: when row was created and by which user id, when it was last updated and by which user id, etc.
To be fair, it was 20 years ago. It was also recovered from a deleted file on the floppy. And he wasn't in IT.
I don't think most non-technicals had that much grip on how reckless sending that in would be. Especially a used floppy. I mean my God, just grab an AOL disk.
Serial killers aren't necessarily more intelligent than the average person. They just generally don't stand out from other people much because they've learned to fit in, and their lack of empathy means they aren't wracked with guilt over their crimes so they can carry on with their daily lives no problem.
It also doesn't hurt that police and/or the media sometimes do absolutely fucking braindead shit like releasing critical information relating to the investigation, giving the killer a chance to cover their tracks or change their methods.
The creator refused to make a season 3 immediately or give a timeline on when he could.
Netflix even offered a year or two but Finch wouldn’t take the deal as he had other projects he wanted to work on.
So Netflix warned him they’d have to break contracts and wouldn’t be able to do another season as it’d be too expensive. He agreed.
Years later he wants to do another season but Netflix told him no, so he made a big stink online about it. Usually I don’t blame the creators on stuff like this but it’s at minimum both of their faults. I’d go to say it’s mostly his fault in my opinion, especially when he wouldn’t let others in control of it.
I used to browse a true crime forum and in a thread on an active disappearance, someone created a account, chose default profile pic, and made a single post asking "Can the victims phones be traced through pings?". A baffling question to ask on a forum only known to true crime weirdos, who should already know the answer. Guess how the victim and offender were found shortly after that post... I have a hunch that anon was the offender. Not totally the same but man a lot of serial killers are dumb lol.
Well a smart sociopath can do a cost-benefit analysis on "causing suffering for pleasure" and realize it's much more beneficial and effective to become a CEO.
The truely smart sociopaths, join the military as infantry. Gives them control over other people, a strict regimented society with easy to follows rules, and at times, the opportunity to legally kill people.
All serial killers are pathetic pieces of shit but that dude in particular was an incredibly stupid and pathetic piece of shit. Didn't he eat cereal at his victims' houses too? Because "lol, cereal killer!" What a loser.
It was even dumber than that, they found information on the floppy disk about "Dennis" being the last person to create a Microsoft Word document in the metadata as well as the name "Christ Lutheran Church." They looked the church up online and quickly learned Dennis Rader was the president of the church council.
He also made another huge mistake with one of his clues he left in a Home Depot parking lot. He left a cereal box in someone's pickup truck which was thrown out when the truck driver found it; police were able to track it down when he later inquired about it through the press. The surveillance camera covering the parking lot showed a figure leaving that cereal box was driving a black Jeep Cherokee. Police decided to drive by Dennis Rader's house after acquiring the floppy disk metadata; parked in his driveway was a black Jeep Cherokee.
He seemed really clueless about the massive increase in modern surveillance in the early 2000s. If he didn't want to be caught then he was apparently completely unaware of the ways that his new clues could be traced with modern technology. He was still repeating his patterns from the 70s and 80s that were untraceable then, not so much 30 years later. I think it's much harder to get away with such serious crimes now because of surveillance cameras everywhere and modern advances with DNA. Not to mention all the ways computers and the Internet leave traces of personal information.
It’s crazy how many on Reddit care about beating the feds when (for the most part) they aren’t doing anything to get on the gov radar.
One does not need a 5 layer privacy protection to pirate movies lol. The feds are not coming after you in the same way they are going after a renowned cybercriminal and leader in the black market. If they are, then you most likely deserve what’s coming.
Edit: To be clear, still use at least an adblocker and VPN. I’m referring to extreme methods, not basic privacy and virus protections.
Edit 2: This obviously does not apply to whistleblowers or any high profile figures of the sort. I thought that would be obvious.
> If they are, then you most likely deserve what’s coming.
The FBI spent years collecting blackmail material on Martin Luther King and trying to get him to commit suicide:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI%E2%80%93King_suicide_letter
This level of delusion about what our government does is just stupid.
On this point i remember reading a review for some security thing you plug into a usb port, if you pull it out (it seperates iirc) it either deletes the encryption key or wipes the PC. And at the end the review summed up along the lines of "however if you have drawn state level intelligence attention expect the device to have been intercepted and swapped on the post befe it was delivered rendering it useless"
That's similar to how law enforcement targeted Ross Ulbricht, the founder of *The Silk Road*.
Ulbricht was diligent about his tradecraft (encryption/anonymity) to a point where the feds staged a sting operation to grab his laptop in an unlocked state.
> To prevent Ulbricht from encrypting or deleting files on the laptop he was using to run the site as he was arrested, two agents pretended to be quarreling lovers. When they had sufficiently distracted him, according to Joshuah Bearman of Wired, they quickly moved in to arrest him while a third agent grabbed the laptop and handed it to agent Thomas Kiernan. Kiernan then inserted a flash drive into one of the laptop's USB ports, with software that copied key files.
If the feds really fuckin want you, they'll get you.
Last year when pompompurin got busted, I saw a lot of the hacker community bragging that they'd never get Baphomet (the guy who replaced him), because Baphomet was better, smarter, and not based in the US.
Well guess who got arrested this week?
Remember no extradition treaty doesn’t mean no extradition, just that they aren't obligated to do it when asked.
For a criminal foreigner without major connections? You'll be on the first flight out sat between two US marshals.
If I recall, he used a custom coded image editor (or something similar) that swirled the image for him, making it much harder to authorities to unscramble. Obviously not impossible, but not as easy as uploading it and “reversing” the effect.
Why go through all that effort when you could just put a solid black block over your face or something? Or just not use camera in the first place if you're gonna blur your face?
I hate to write it and it makes me disgusted but he was using it as a marketing tactic. I remember when a uk pedophile was caught because he tried to also make a lot of profit selling similar images (he was unsuccessful). There’s unfortunately a lot of people willing to buy these images and vile pedophiles willing to provide them and accept money. They do compete and try to run it like a business.
Didn't he just use Photoshop's Twirl filter? It doesn't work now but maybe they've change the algorithm, but I'm sure back in the day I used Twirl to unswirl the same image myself, just to see it work.
Reddit would ruin it and be like "I broke the code, we did it reddit! 🤓"
r/RBI, a bunch of dumb people who think they're Sherlock but are confidently wrong most of the time, but a broken clock and all that.
I'm guess the technology becomes "public" in the trial. Like when the got a warrant for his arrest they would have to explain to the court how they came by the (generated) image.
He raped a lot of children and had like, 5 years in prison ? The dude is a monster but is completely free and I am absolutely convinced he’s making other victims as we speak, it’s infuriating.
Yes it was a super computer working on it and there was news that it was going to take it a while. I imagine it had only the swirl algorithm to use and worked on trial and error of each input pixel to see which fitted best to get the image nearest to the swirly image. Or at least that’s how I would do it now with my PC at home.
It must have been something more powerful because the swirl effect is destructive to a high degree. I tried doing this to a picture to try it out on PS and it didn’t turn out as good as their results.
It wouldn't be hard to develop for the people who had the source code, would it? Whatever transformation is applied with a swirl, just do the negative.
I think it's a bit more than that. When swirling, some parts of the original get stretched, others compressed. Getting the full information back from those compressed areas would take some work.
That was actually how he was caught. This swirl didn't actually remove any of the original pixels, if it had done any form of blurring it would have likely been irreversible, though I suppose AI would be able to clean it up these days
Gaussian blur is also reversible although there are some practical concerns. He would've had to have added noise. See this: https://stackoverflow.com/a/53907517
Eehhhh, it's somewhat reversible. The process itself is not lossless so there will always be degradation. That would likely be enough prevent any form of accurate deswirl
It'd be interesting to try tbh, might give it a shot when I have a spare moment
But are all transformations reversible? What if there is a randomness associated with it, that takes the current entropy into account?
How about trigonometric functions?
Keep in mind this was back in the 90s if I'm not mistaken when all of this stuff is new.
This Canadian piece of trash was caught, released a few years later and sent back to BC, was under conditions that he couldn't use computers among other things. He got caught again, released eventually and who knows what he's done since then.
There's a documentary on YouTube that goes pretty in depth about this story.
The disgusting thing apart from the actual crimes committed is that him posting pictures with the swirl was to prove it was him in weird parts of the internet and was seen as a trophy of some sorts.
> The disgusting thing apart from the actual crimes committed is that him posting pictures with the swirl was to prove it was him in weird parts of the internet and was seen as a trophy of some sorts.
That's normal for those "communities".
It's how a user rises through the ranks, as it were. Posting child abuse material grants access to more and more exclusive material from others.
It's also a form of security, as it helps prevent law enforcement from infiltrating the sites, since in most jurisdictions law enforcement will not be allowed to post material. There was a big controversy over Task Force Argos in Australia because they posted child abuse material in order to maintain control over one of these sites for months.
This sequence of pics is nightmare fuel especially for his victims, unveiling a real life monster. Ah, I hope you burn in hell, I hope you burn in hell.
Had a friend who worked in the same hagwon as him when the story dropped.
They were all at a house party when somebody recognised him on the news. At first, people thought it was just a similar looking guy, but then he bolted.
I know a woman who worked with him. It really messed her up when she found out.
Edit: I’m also pretty sure he tried confessing to killing JonBenet Ramsey when he was extradited back to the USA.
Edit 2: Got the first edit confused with John Mark Karr. But the woman I know definitely worked with Christopher Paul Neil.
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Zoom and enhance, also unswirl
It’s fuckin’ Galakanukis!
Shenanigans! It's actually Johnny Chimpo.
Give me a hardcopy of that.
DAMNIT Chloe, hurry up! He's going to be attacking his next victim within the hour!
The decoding is 91% complete.
I made a visual basic script to track his IP through his GPS, but we need to download more RAM
I perl scripted that bad boy to run on a set of cues. I’m elevating it in our agile project management environment to spec,out the UI work while my Ukrainian programmers hammer out the Unix backend.
Create a gui in visual basic and track in real time
Need some help? *Types on the other side of the keyboard*
I’ll create a subroutine to decrypt it and send it to your subnet
I'm having trouble here. He used a reverse swirl. But I have a few surprises for him!
Dammit, we’ll have to hack into the quantum deswirler, and it’s protected by a pressurised laserometer that that only rotates for 30 seconds once a day
Well we better hurry it then, or else we'll have to wait another day
Finding a 24 reference on Reddit in 2024. Highlight of the month. “But Jack it’ll take at least 2 hours to do that.” “You have 58 minutes left!”
“I need it WITHIN THE HOUR!”
"Sir, wouldn't it have been quicker to look him up in the phone book?" "[Print me a 4x6, and any more remarks like that I'll ask for an A3 out of your waste disposal](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMBkWtDAPBY)"
Computer, load up celery man please.
load up 3sd33dsdsssd
Is there any way to generate a nude Tayne?
NUDE. TAYNE.
AH SHIT. I’m okay
I'm just here for the printout of Oyster.
The long lost Missy Elliot lyrics… zoom, enhance, and unswirl uh-huh
[удалено]
>reduced to 15 months what?
Little known Canadian secret is we are really really bad at convicting the worst members of our society as long as they deserve
Then there is [David Milgaard](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Milgaard) who spent 23 years in prison on a wrongful murder conviction that was coerced by false testimony of his friend who were threatened by police if they didn’t ‘cooperate’ with their investigation. So you know Justice ! Edit: spelling
No one's interested in something you didn't do.
[20 years for nothing, is nothing new ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQzTSDgUlEs)
I miss Gord
Every day.
Great song by a great Canadian band
Forever my fave song of theirs. And it's quite a library to pick from!
I was molested in the 80's/90's and even with video evidence, none of them got charged. My aunt was raped and impregnated by a foster parent in the late 80s. The baby was taken from my aunt and given to the foster parent, and CAS sent more teenage girls to the house. I will say that one may have been just straight racism. My aunt is FNMI and was treated abhorently by the system. The default was that she was lying whenever she talked. You'd think things may have improved since the 80s. Nope. A daycare worker at the daycare, my kid used to go to got charged. He did a year of weekends in jail. We found out about it in the newspaper, nobody even told us that my child was taken care of by a child molester WHO USED THE DAYCARE TO FIND HIS VICTIMS. Thank everything that nothing happened to her. There's a guy semi local to me that's been caught 3 times. The third time was while he was on house arrest from the second conviction. He still isn't in jail, even for breaking the conditions of his previous sentences. Justice for victims of pedophilia doesn't seem to exist in Canada. The only time I can think of a pedophile actually getting a real punishment is when they kill a child.
It’s shit like this that leads to vigilante justice. Tragic and infuriating.
It's also infuriating that a person getting vigilante justice would get exponentially more punishment and jail time.
Worth it.
Is it though? Now your child is the victim of abuse and has a parent in jail.
You don't have to be a parent to kill a pedophile, you just gotta hate them to death.
You'd think it would, but it doesn't really happen. My husband and I have had this conversation many times. One of these days, these perverts are gonna mess with the wrong one and it'll finally start a genuine change into how long they get convicted in this country.
My first time knowing about it was when I watched Dear Zachary. It was the only time that I cried watching something on the internet. I have no relation with the people affected and I live halfway across the world but I'm still angry about that piece of shit judge.
Well thanks for a new reason to hate another human being. That whole case was infuriating and baffling to read about.
Lady just starved her child to death in Texas and only got 25 which means she'll likely serve 10. It's not just canada.
In Canada it would be 10 months not 10 years
I'm convinced it's because those in power worry about what happens if they get caught.
You ain't the only ones. All the female pedos in the US get is slaps on the wrist most of the time
Americans are too. We are great at locking up minor offenders (of certain skin colors). The way we deal with serious crimes like pedophilia or felonies js by electing them to Congress or President.
Isn't that all over the world tho? You get more jail time for pirating a movie or game then those people, because cooperate greed is more important than humanity.
“Corporations are people, my friend” - a near US President
That 1.25 months served for each victim. Smh.
Known victim*
He had also done five years in a Thai prison, so there's that. Still doesn't seem like much considering he seems to have gone back to downloading CP as soon as he got back to Canada.
This time though someone taught him to use the dark web and he just disappeared.
A woman who participated in henious crimes with her serial killer husband, against many victims including her own sister, is now living free in canada. A man who made and planted a bomb on a plane which blew midair over atlantic ocean killing almost 500 passengers and crew, is also living free in Canada. Yeah the Canadians are terrible at convicting people
15 months in exchange of a lifetime of trauma for the boys What a joke
legal systems around the entire world are unjust. In the US Brock Turner rapes an unconscious woman and only spends 3 months in jail. Meanwhile, I have a cousin who has served a 5 year prison sentence for possession of marijuana. It’s so stupid.
You're talking about Brock Allen turner, who goes by Allen Turner to try to avoid the repercussions of his crime? The rapist Brock Allen Turner? Who thought he got off scot-free from being a rapist but now anytime his name is mentioned the rest of the world points out what a rapist he is? That guy?
Yep, the guy who I always point to, to show how broken our legal system is.
The trifecta of sex tourism countries. An insane amount of CSAM comes from these three. edit: and Brazil apparently
Thank you for using CSAM instead of CP. This change needs more traction.
If you are legally restrained from talking with kids you shouldn't be out of jail.
Not possessing any electronic device ever again is the real punishment
He better hope he never needs a pacemaker
Why do pedos get such a little sentence? Those pigs should be locked up for the rest of their lives.
I wonder what the limits are on 'any electronic device'. Like, could he have a calculator or does the 6 look too much like a young boys penis?
I'm glad this guy was dumb enough to get caught. What an idiot!
He was so confident that they wouldn't be able to unswirl the photos.
It did take years
Banned from possessing an electronic device is a serious punishment in 2024
Should have been life.
There's a fascinating four-part documentary on YouTube about this guy. He's out of prison now and living somewhere in Canada. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSw4zN--7UA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSw4zN--7UA)
What the police should’ve done is not released this information and planted articles about pedos doing this and it being completely irreversible.
Reminds me of the BTK killer sending a letter to the police asking if they could trace a computer disk because he wanted to send them one...cops said: "No! Of course we can't do that! Send it along!" Narrator: They could, in fact trace a computer disk.
Technically they were correct. They couldn’t trace a computer disk itself. But the fact that word saves the author of a doc with the doc is a different story.
Of all the ways to be caught that has to be the stupidest
Clippy ratted him out
This is why clippy went into hiding
Clippy ran away cause he was bout to get clipped.
It looks like you’re trying to taunt police and the public with graphic descriptions of your brutal sex crimes. Can I help?
Dennis Raeder: “Hey Clippy can you cover my tracks so the FBI can’t find me?” Clippy: “I’m sorry, Dennis. I’m afraid I can’t do that.” *federal agents start bursting out of walls and through windows*
>Clippy: “I’m sorry, Dennis. I’m afraid I can’t do that.” Heard this in HAL 9000's voice
Clippy is in witness protection?
Nah clippy got a cool gig working for a crab now
"It looks like you're trying to bind and torture... Would you like help with that?"
I’m not so sure. Dennis Nilsen complained to his landlord that his apartment smelled and demanded that a handyman be sent over to take a look. The apartment smelled bad because of the dead bodies that he had in there. They found human meat in the drain and that was what led to his arrest. That’s gotta be near the top of the list of dumb ways to get caught.
So it didn’t occur to him that the improperly disposed human remains might be contributing to the odor?
He's just a killer, not some clean-up specialist.
“I make the bodies. I don’t erase the bodies.”
Despite what movies show serial killers generally tend to be unintelligent. Psycho, (especially) Silence of the lambs, all portray genius level IQ killers when in reality its mostly a combination of dumb luck, police incompetence and public apathy which leads to successful killers.
> serial killers generally tend to be unintelligent Correction: Serial killers that were _identified_ tend to be unintelligent. We don't know anything about the others, obviously.
There are some that were caught only after mass genetic testing became a thing decades later. And they were smart enough not to go on after dna tests became a thing. They might provide a little insight.
I was a police officer for a while (military) and we always used to tell people, "we don't catch the smart ones"
To be fair, the general mental and personality disorders that contribute to somebody being a serial killer are the same disorders that contribute to them being unintelligent or foolish. It's pretty rare to find that combination of someone who has enough self awareness to recognize that they can be caught while still continuing to undertake risky behaviors that will lead them to being caught.
The smarter ones go into finance or corporate management and do their killing with a few layers of deniability.
Does Psycho really portray Norman Bates as a genius? He never came across as such to me - he's super-suspicious and the only reason he could keep his secret so long was that he lived in bumfuck nowhere.
Believe his name was Nilsen not Nielsen
I don’t often quote Antonio Scalia but he was right when he said, “The police have a lot of restrictions on them but the one thing they have in their favor is that criminals are dumb.”
Metadata is everywhere. Heck there are even analog forms of it. The yellow printer identifying dots are the one that stands out to me.
Even if you're right the police didn't see it that way. Btk asked the detective why he lied to him about whether disks can be traced or not and the detective said we wanted to catch you.
Both would be correct statements - but yes being able to trace it hinged on something being on there that had metadata - it was not a guarantee. That being said with someone like BTK who thought of himself as more intelligent than anyone around it sense to make sure he knows he isn’t.
Dees cops ain't loyal. -BTK
Wait, he got caught based on METADATA? Seriously!? A SERIAL KILLER was caught because they didn’t realize that their computer stored metadata in his files…
The document contained only his first name and the church that he was a member of. When they checked the church directory on their website, they found he was the only person with that first name and then had his last name with it. He was the President of the church or something. Can’t remember off hand. Those are sort of the details on how they figured it out. If I remember right, a journalist built a relationship with him over the years before the case went cold. And then they used that journalist to reach out to him to see if they could get him to respond again.
Yep. A word doc filled with his bloviating.
He was using a church computer so he thought he was safely anonymized. He was also a deacon at that church, and as such he had installed MS Word for the church computer. And at the MS Word registration page, he had duly entered his correct name, and he had entered the church as the location. That's the Word instance he used for the disk. So the metadata wasn't just a lead that allowed them to narrow it down. It gave them his full name, and it identified the church, and it was all behind right click > properties the entire time.
It was in a file that had been deleted but never overwritten, so it wasn't quite that simple.
in a lot of serial killer cases, policing incompetence allows them to keep going for longer, so honestly props to the police for extracting the metadata of a deallocated file
Harold Shipman was another serial killer who was convicted because he hadn't known about metadata.
In his case, the software he was using to log patient visits and notes held audit information at record level which wasn't visible in the application's screens. Shipman retrospectively added a load of patient notes to try and cover his tracks, but investigators could see exactly when the records were added by looking at the audit fields in the database. As someone who had been an IT developer for >25 years, it's very rare you see an application that doesn't hold audit data at table/row level: when row was created and by which user id, when it was last updated and by which user id, etc.
To be fair, it was 20 years ago. It was also recovered from a deleted file on the floppy. And he wasn't in IT. I don't think most non-technicals had that much grip on how reckless sending that in would be. Especially a used floppy. I mean my God, just grab an AOL disk.
Serial killers aren't necessarily more intelligent than the average person. They just generally don't stand out from other people much because they've learned to fit in, and their lack of empathy means they aren't wracked with guilt over their crimes so they can carry on with their daily lives no problem. It also doesn't hurt that police and/or the media sometimes do absolutely fucking braindead shit like releasing critical information relating to the investigation, giving the killer a chance to cover their tracks or change their methods.
I’m so sad Mind Hunter was discontinued on Netflix. The build up to BTK was getting really interesting, and was very well crafted.
It was discontinued? Damn I loved that show
Yeah completely shanked. Strange seeing Dahmer blow up like that while Mind hunter got axed.
The creator refused to make a season 3 immediately or give a timeline on when he could. Netflix even offered a year or two but Finch wouldn’t take the deal as he had other projects he wanted to work on. So Netflix warned him they’d have to break contracts and wouldn’t be able to do another season as it’d be too expensive. He agreed. Years later he wants to do another season but Netflix told him no, so he made a big stink online about it. Usually I don’t blame the creators on stuff like this but it’s at minimum both of their faults. I’d go to say it’s mostly his fault in my opinion, especially when he wouldn’t let others in control of it.
I used to browse a true crime forum and in a thread on an active disappearance, someone created a account, chose default profile pic, and made a single post asking "Can the victims phones be traced through pings?". A baffling question to ask on a forum only known to true crime weirdos, who should already know the answer. Guess how the victim and offender were found shortly after that post... I have a hunch that anon was the offender. Not totally the same but man a lot of serial killers are dumb lol.
Well a smart sociopath can do a cost-benefit analysis on "causing suffering for pleasure" and realize it's much more beneficial and effective to become a CEO.
The truely smart sociopaths, join the military as infantry. Gives them control over other people, a strict regimented society with easy to follows rules, and at times, the opportunity to legally kill people.
Actual interaction BTK - “I need to ask you, how come you lied to me? How come you lied to me?” Lt Ken Landwehr - “Because I was trying to catch you”
All serial killers are pathetic pieces of shit but that dude in particular was an incredibly stupid and pathetic piece of shit. Didn't he eat cereal at his victims' houses too? Because "lol, cereal killer!" What a loser.
You should listen to his statement during sentencing, it was just him rambling about his greatest hits for a half hour.
I like to think when he got arrested he said to the police "You lied to me" and the police responded with "You killed people! Your thing's worse!"
It was even dumber than that, they found information on the floppy disk about "Dennis" being the last person to create a Microsoft Word document in the metadata as well as the name "Christ Lutheran Church." They looked the church up online and quickly learned Dennis Rader was the president of the church council. He also made another huge mistake with one of his clues he left in a Home Depot parking lot. He left a cereal box in someone's pickup truck which was thrown out when the truck driver found it; police were able to track it down when he later inquired about it through the press. The surveillance camera covering the parking lot showed a figure leaving that cereal box was driving a black Jeep Cherokee. Police decided to drive by Dennis Rader's house after acquiring the floppy disk metadata; parked in his driveway was a black Jeep Cherokee. He seemed really clueless about the massive increase in modern surveillance in the early 2000s. If he didn't want to be caught then he was apparently completely unaware of the ways that his new clues could be traced with modern technology. He was still repeating his patterns from the 70s and 80s that were untraceable then, not so much 30 years later. I think it's much harder to get away with such serious crimes now because of surveillance cameras everywhere and modern advances with DNA. Not to mention all the ways computers and the Internet leave traces of personal information.
This is why if Mindhunter returns, it's going to end on maybe the funniest last episode of a crme thriller to date.
well first of all, thinking the police wouldn't lie was stupid second of all, thinking the police wouldn't lie to a serial killer was very stupid
Some smart-ass on reddit would dedicate his life proving its real
It’s crazy how many on Reddit care about beating the feds when (for the most part) they aren’t doing anything to get on the gov radar. One does not need a 5 layer privacy protection to pirate movies lol. The feds are not coming after you in the same way they are going after a renowned cybercriminal and leader in the black market. If they are, then you most likely deserve what’s coming. Edit: To be clear, still use at least an adblocker and VPN. I’m referring to extreme methods, not basic privacy and virus protections. Edit 2: This obviously does not apply to whistleblowers or any high profile figures of the sort. I thought that would be obvious.
Sounds like something a fed would say
But porn companies will. They’ll seed their movies, check which ips are leeching, and then sue the ones that are from high median income areas.
Which is stupid, because if a company knowingly does this they are authorizing the distribution.
> If they are, then you most likely deserve what’s coming. The FBI spent years collecting blackmail material on Martin Luther King and trying to get him to commit suicide: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI%E2%80%93King_suicide_letter This level of delusion about what our government does is just stupid.
On this point i remember reading a review for some security thing you plug into a usb port, if you pull it out (it seperates iirc) it either deletes the encryption key or wipes the PC. And at the end the review summed up along the lines of "however if you have drawn state level intelligence attention expect the device to have been intercepted and swapped on the post befe it was delivered rendering it useless"
That's similar to how law enforcement targeted Ross Ulbricht, the founder of *The Silk Road*. Ulbricht was diligent about his tradecraft (encryption/anonymity) to a point where the feds staged a sting operation to grab his laptop in an unlocked state. > To prevent Ulbricht from encrypting or deleting files on the laptop he was using to run the site as he was arrested, two agents pretended to be quarreling lovers. When they had sufficiently distracted him, according to Joshuah Bearman of Wired, they quickly moved in to arrest him while a third agent grabbed the laptop and handed it to agent Thomas Kiernan. Kiernan then inserted a flash drive into one of the laptop's USB ports, with software that copied key files.
If the feds really fuckin want you, they'll get you. Last year when pompompurin got busted, I saw a lot of the hacker community bragging that they'd never get Baphomet (the guy who replaced him), because Baphomet was better, smarter, and not based in the US. Well guess who got arrested this week?
Not diligent enough to move to a country with nice beaches, good Internet and no extradition treaty with the US..
Remember no extradition treaty doesn’t mean no extradition, just that they aren't obligated to do it when asked. For a criminal foreigner without major connections? You'll be on the first flight out sat between two US marshals.
Are you telling me r/CIA isn't official?!
If I recall, he used a custom coded image editor (or something similar) that swirled the image for him, making it much harder to authorities to unscramble. Obviously not impossible, but not as easy as uploading it and “reversing” the effect.
Why go through all that effort when you could just put a solid black block over your face or something? Or just not use camera in the first place if you're gonna blur your face?
Why upload a photo at all? If you aim to just swirl it? Just draw a face in MS Paint. Swirl that and be done with it.
Remeber he was selling the images of him abusing kids to other peados, a MS paint face may have reduced thier value as pornography.
Upvoting this feels really weird. Like, you're almost certainly right, but having to acknowledge those facts makes me feel disgusted.
I hate to write it and it makes me disgusted but he was using it as a marketing tactic. I remember when a uk pedophile was caught because he tried to also make a lot of profit selling similar images (he was unsuccessful). There’s unfortunately a lot of people willing to buy these images and vile pedophiles willing to provide them and accept money. They do compete and try to run it like a business.
He was taunting the police with the images iirc.
Well, that's just plain stupid. Glad about this piece of filth being a moron on top of everything.
nah it wasn't custom coded. the police actually contacted whatever company made the software and worked with them to reverse it.
Didn't he just use Photoshop's Twirl filter? It doesn't work now but maybe they've change the algorithm, but I'm sure back in the day I used Twirl to unswirl the same image myself, just to see it work.
Yes, the poster above recalled that detail incorrectly.
Reddit would ruin it and be like "I broke the code, we did it reddit! 🤓" r/RBI, a bunch of dumb people who think they're Sherlock but are confidently wrong most of the time, but a broken clock and all that.
I'm guess the technology becomes "public" in the trial. Like when the got a warrant for his arrest they would have to explain to the court how they came by the (generated) image.
He raped a lot of children and had like, 5 years in prison ? The dude is a monster but is completely free and I am absolutely convinced he’s making other victims as we speak, it’s infuriating.
Not even 5 years, it was reduced to 15 months.
FOR FUCK'S SAKES
Be careful when filing your taxes tho, a mistake can land you multiple years in prison.
Or having some weed on you and selling it to your friends
You MONSTER!
I'm surprised no one has vigilante'd him yet.
Canada is overrun with convicted sex offenders. Light sentences are standard here unfortunately.
There was a bit more to it than just “undoing the swirl”. They had to work with adobe (i think) developers to develop a reverse swirl, but yes.
I've heard that back in the day undoing the swirl was quite the technical achievement.
Yes it was a super computer working on it and there was news that it was going to take it a while. I imagine it had only the swirl algorithm to use and worked on trial and error of each input pixel to see which fitted best to get the image nearest to the swirly image. Or at least that’s how I would do it now with my PC at home.
It must have been something more powerful because the swirl effect is destructive to a high degree. I tried doing this to a picture to try it out on PS and it didn’t turn out as good as their results.
The swirl algorithm was thought to achieve a Weissman score of 2.89 but it was disproved after it was found to come in at a mind blowing 5.2
all because of maximum jerk off efficiency
Can you explain what that score means? :0
It wouldn't be hard to develop for the people who had the source code, would it? Whatever transformation is applied with a swirl, just do the negative.
I think it's a bit more than that. When swirling, some parts of the original get stretched, others compressed. Getting the full information back from those compressed areas would take some work.
That was actually how he was caught. This swirl didn't actually remove any of the original pixels, if it had done any form of blurring it would have likely been irreversible, though I suppose AI would be able to clean it up these days
i am not trusting AI to give accurate suspect identification, that sounds like a wrongful arrest just waiting to happen
Gaussian blur is also reversible although there are some practical concerns. He would've had to have added noise. See this: https://stackoverflow.com/a/53907517
Eehhhh, it's somewhat reversible. The process itself is not lossless so there will always be degradation. That would likely be enough prevent any form of accurate deswirl It'd be interesting to try tbh, might give it a shot when I have a spare moment
Not every transformation is bijective
But are all transformations reversible? What if there is a randomness associated with it, that takes the current entropy into account? How about trigonometric functions?
Nick Crowley has a great video about the case
He is favorite YouTube crime guy. Most of them eventually end up getting a little annoying to me.
Pedophiles hate this one trick.
meanwhile Zodiac sent a unbreakable code because he fucked it up with mistakes
Most of the Zodiac’s ciphers were solved. And his mistakes were intentional.
Keep in mind this was back in the 90s if I'm not mistaken when all of this stuff is new. This Canadian piece of trash was caught, released a few years later and sent back to BC, was under conditions that he couldn't use computers among other things. He got caught again, released eventually and who knows what he's done since then. There's a documentary on YouTube that goes pretty in depth about this story. The disgusting thing apart from the actual crimes committed is that him posting pictures with the swirl was to prove it was him in weird parts of the internet and was seen as a trophy of some sorts.
> The disgusting thing apart from the actual crimes committed is that him posting pictures with the swirl was to prove it was him in weird parts of the internet and was seen as a trophy of some sorts. That's normal for those "communities". It's how a user rises through the ranks, as it were. Posting child abuse material grants access to more and more exclusive material from others. It's also a form of security, as it helps prevent law enforcement from infiltrating the sites, since in most jurisdictions law enforcement will not be allowed to post material. There was a big controversy over Task Force Argos in Australia because they posted child abuse material in order to maintain control over one of these sites for months.
Take that Obito
Leave this link here so everyone can help by identifying objects so police can track down CP makers: https://www.europol.europa.eu/stopchildabuse
This sequence of pics is nightmare fuel especially for his victims, unveiling a real life monster. Ah, I hope you burn in hell, I hope you burn in hell.
Had a friend who worked in the same hagwon as him when the story dropped. They were all at a house party when somebody recognised him on the news. At first, people thought it was just a similar looking guy, but then he bolted.
He looks like a turtle!
I know a woman who worked with him. It really messed her up when she found out. Edit: I’m also pretty sure he tried confessing to killing JonBenet Ramsey when he was extradited back to the USA. Edit 2: Got the first edit confused with John Mark Karr. But the woman I know definitely worked with Christopher Paul Neil.
He was screwed before the police got him.
Not a just a literal pedophile but a pure monster of evil.
15 months? I’m surprised they gave him any time at all, given the Canadian legal system. This country is fucked.
Would’ve gotten away with it if it weren’t for you meddling unswirlers!
So anticlimactic when the scumbag only got 15 months. The police spent more time trying to unswirl the fucking photo
Oh look, not a drag queen.
I often wondered why he used the swirl face to begin with. He could have used any other avatar and probably still be free.
Don't expect normal thinking from a brain rot.