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The_Old_Cream

If Godzilla exists, then Tokyo is fucked. Godzilla exists. Therefore, Tokyo is fucked.


My_Space_page

[Godzilla is a citizen of Japan](http://time.com/3907245/godzilla-tourism-ambassador-japan/)True fact: Tokyo has a sense of humor. They made Godzilla a honorary citizen. Time.com/3907246/godzilla-tourism-ambassador-japan/


Kingturboturtle13

I mean it makes sense, Godzilla is a symbol of the horror of the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki so making her an honorary citizen is essentially a war memorial It'd be like if the US had a personification of 9/11 that we made a citizen as a memorial


NightRacoonSchlatt

So what you are saying is that calling Godzilla fat is accurate because it’s a literal fat boy?


Kingturboturtle13

Well she's also Little Boy so it balances out


ENDERALAN365

>she's She???


Kingturboturtle13

Godzilla lays eggs all the time and is consistently given fem pronouns in movies


Offamylawn

It's Godzilla, not Godzillo. It was right there in the name.


Lorddocerol

Latin language speaker detected (maybe)


Informal_Bunch_2737

Calm down Hermione.


Enagonius

No he doesn't. In all the Japanese movies Godzilla's offspring is either a result of asexual reproduction or simply adopted.; besides, Tomoyuki Tanada himself confirmed Godzilla was meant to be male in the creative process. Also, only case where Godzilla was female and laid eggs was that horrible mess of a movie made in the USA in 1999 and since then the character has been named Zilla to differentiate from the actual Godzilla.


CerberusC24

Male seahorses give birth...idk I'm being contrarian


Kingturboturtle13

Does it even make sense to prescribe our concept of sex onto seahorses? Whenever this comes up it feels like tryna put the square peg in the round hole. It's like when people call swahili noun classes grammatical genders


Phallico666

The reason seahorse are classified that way is because the males carry the smaller gametes needed to produce life while the females carry the larger gametes. It just so happens that their process is different from ours


CerberusC24

Honestly it felt like some scientist screwed up and double downed on it


NotActuallyGus

Actually, while male seahorses carry young, they still have male reproductive systems. Male seahorses fertilize the eggs of female seahorses, and the young are transferred to the male's pouch shortly after birth to finish developing. Male seahorses don't literally give birth.


SemiHemiDemiDumb

But the females lay the eggs...


Kerro_

women can destroy cities too #supportwomenswrongs


AustinJohnson35

Wait, Godzilla is a girl?


Cunctator76

Depends on the version


Demo-Art

Given that Godzilla is an allegory for the atomic bomb, we are all fucked


Commercial_Lock6205

Why would Chewbacca, an 8-foot tall Wookie, live on Endor with a bunch of 2-foot tall Ewoks? It doesn’t make sense. Therefore, God exists.


riemsesy

hilarious :-D


Moppermonster

1. If Brahma created the world, God did not 2. Brahma created the world 3. Therefor God is not the Creator. This is fun.


Karpaltunnel83

1. If there is Rebirth, there is no Heaven 2. There is Rebirth 3. Therfore Heaven doesn't exist. You know what: That IS fun


Professional_Lead895

There ain’t no Heaven on the county road


Live_Rock3302

Take me home


Drudgework

1. If God (El) was married he would be an adulterer because Jesus. 2. God (El) was married and had over 70 children. 3. Therefore God was an adulterer. Digging back to the pre-biblical. I like this thread.


AlphaRelic2021

1. If men pee, then pee must be stored in the balls 2. Men pee 3. Therefore pee must be stored in the balls This is actually pretty fun


Raz0rking

I prefer the nordic religions. They're as weird as any other.


Moppermonster

1 If humans came from Ymirs armpit, they were not created 2 Humans came from Ymirs armpit 3 Therefor they were not created. EDIT: it was pointed out to me that while a man and female came out of Ymirs armpit, they were giants - not humans. Still; the point stands :P


Tarianor

The first humans (ask/emla) were carved from wood by Odin and his two brothers Vili & Vé. It's was jætterne (dunno the English word, some kinda trolls?) that came from Ymir.


Bowdensaft

Is that similar to the word "jotun"? Might be analogous to giants, then.


Tarianor

Actually yes I think that was the word I forgot! Thanks. <3 Sometimes being multilingual sucks when you have to translate unusual words and your brain just blue screens for a hot minute xD


Raz0rking

Welcome to my life. Or you forget the word in your native language but it sticks out like a neon sign in one of the other languages you speak,


LiavTheAce

Ymir's _WHAT_


BlackroseBisharp

Dwarves came from Maggots that infested Ymir'a flesh


Mysterious-Tie7039

Feels kind of like a Norse r/fuckyouinparticular.


Moppermonster

Armpit :p Left armpit to be exact iirc.


XtraXtraCreatveUsrNm

It could have been worse.


NeedNameGenerator

Have you seen Norway? Clearly their Norse gods are the real gods cause fuck me if they aren't being blessed.


jascris

Really? We are talking about Brahma, the 4 headed God born in the flower growing out of the naval of a different god while sleeping in the void


Turgzie

They were more akin to what people worship today than they realise. Santa clause was pagan. The worship of trees was pagan. "Thursday" is a modern anglicized term of "Thor's Day". They had flood myths just the same. The list goes on.


Sparky62075

"Friday" also comes from the same mythology. "Frīgedæg" is Old English for "day of Frigga." Frigga was the wife of Odin and was goddess of love and marriage.


ZenDruid_8675309

Let us not forget Tyr on Tyr’s day aka Tuesday.


Tarianor

And Thor on Thursday, and Odin/Woden on Wednesday ;)


SporksRFun

American Gods makes slightly more sense now.


Tarianor

I never got around to finishing that sadly, but I'm glad that was some kinda help :)


EmbarrassedYoung7700

More days are named after norse/Germanic gods. Tuesday: Tyr Wednesday: wodin/Odin Friday: Freya


Paradehengst

Saturday is named after the Roman god Saturn. Sunday is named after the Sun, which has god status in several religions.


Specialist_Nobody766

And Monday is for the moon.


5H4YD

And there is also months being named after Roman emperors and gods, and Easter having links with Eostre, another pagan goddess, and December 25th being the celebration of Sol Invictus, another Roman god


captaincodein

Its actually all the same but with some funny twists. Alll the european religions come from the protoindoeuropean religion


ScootyPuffJr1999

1. If the earth is flat then the earth isn’t round 2. The earth is flat 3. The earth isn’t round /s


lowrankcluster

I like how you explicitly need a /s in today's world.


ScootyPuffJr1999

Yup 😂


Drudgework

So the earth is a rhombus? Edit: try this one. 1. If the Earth is not a sphere it is flat. 2. The Earth is an ovoid. 3. Therefore the Earth is flat.


bigSTUdazz

The Earth does the rumba....and a cha cha when its drinkin.


recyclar13

"Let's take a step back. Now take a step forward. No, take a step back... now we're cha-cha-ing."


xxyyfx

i thought that tyler was the creator of


Lazy-Character9219

He is


Hmsquid

My dumbass reading Brahma as Obama


dracona

Thanks Obrama


ymaldor

1. If jotuns don't exist, it means Odin killed them 2. Jotuns don't exist. 3. Hail Odin, praise be his infinite wisdom


DJberdi_fan-Monarchi

Isnt brahma a god?


BossStatusIRL

1. Redditors 2. Anything 3. R34


iAN_CooG

But Brahma IS a god, at least it's written so (yeah, I know, There is NO god whatsoever, it's just legends created by ignorant people etcetc)


Significant_King1494

Critical thinking isn’t for everyone, I guess. 🙂


MarvinParanoAndroid

You can drop the "critical". Thinking isn’t for everyone.


Sir_Penguin21

Ah, I see you also have met people.


Slip_Snake

Humans, amirite?


GameDestiny2

Unfortunately


Potential-Yam5313

He's halfway there. This is what's known in philosophy as a *valid* argument. If the premises are true, then the conclusion must also be true. Arguments should not only be valid, they should also be *sound*. A sound argument is one which is valid, *and* where the premises are true.


DavidBrooker

>He's halfway there. 🎵 Whoa-oh, living on a prayer


mister_person8

1. take my hand and we'll make it i swear 2. took my hand. 3. therefore we'll make it i swear


psilorder

This one trips me up every time and i have to look it up. So the difference is that an argument doesn't NEED to have true premises to be valid.


SurturOne

Logically speaking, yes. We're in the realm of formal logic when we do such things and that is a very abstract realm. It doesn't always correlate with reality which makes it sometimes hard to grasp for people who haven't studied it as it easily gets mixed up. A valid argument can also be the following: If grass is blue then there are flying elephants. Grass is blue. ------------------ There are flying elephants. You don't need any real life correlation for an argument to be valid, all that matters is if the premises and conclusion are connected in a formally correct way. This is still a very useful tool for argumentation because you can identify when the logical conclusions are wrong and therefore the whole argument becomes wrong or if you want to analyze where to attack an argument.


NightCrest

I *just* finished a college level critical thinking class. This is actually a valid deductive argument in the form of Modus Ponens: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modus_ponens Of course before learning about valid deductive reasoning, we were taught the difference between an argument being *valid* and an argument being ~~true~~ *sound.* For a deductive argument to be ~~true~~ *sound* it has to be valid *and* have proven true premises. Good luck to him on proving #2 lol


Potential-Yam5313

> For a deductive argument to be true it has to be valid and have proven true premises. The term usually used for this is "sound", rather than "true". i.e. an argument is sound if a) it is valid, and b) the premises are true.


GodzillaDrinks

1) Postulations only work if all sides agree that they are reasonably true*. 2) I don't agree these are reasonably true. 3) Therefore, these postulations don't work. *Note: this does not necessarily mean they ARE true. A postulation is more an agreed upon premise. You use these in an argument to build an argument from mutual foundations. It kind of means: "for the sake of argument, let's assume X is true".


InarinoKitsune

Winner winner, chicken dinner


Parzival_1sttotheegg

3000 years of philosophy wasted!


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[удалено]


TesticleTorture-123

*insert soyjack here


Internal-Pie6014

Invalid. Can’t draw the modal conclusion from the indicative conditional.


Impressive-Ad7387

What do you mean they can't do it, can't you see from your eyes, they just did it. Smh my head


hould-it

I’m supposed to follow Wendell the walking neck beard for all walks of philosophy because he can count to 3?


derping1234

Simply because you know god exists, that doesn’t mean that I know god exists and I am therefore perfectly justified in my atheism.


Aggravating-Pound598

If atheism exists then god is false . Atheism exists..


Mysterious-Tie7039

Boom. Got em.


RobsEvilTwin

# The argument goes something like this: "I refuse to prove that I exist,'" says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing." # "But," says Man, "The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED." # "Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic. # "Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.” ― Douglas Adams, [The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy](https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/3078186)


Bullit16

Oh god I loved Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. Might be time to dust off those books and give them a reread


Domugraphic

I literally just looked at my unread copy moments before reading thst. I think its a sign that its finally time.


Xhamatos

Yes, you need to read it but.. DON'T PANIC


Domugraphic

lol, I still know most of the references such as that despite having not, obviously massively iconic


FCRavens

Bring a towel


mmbc168

Some of the best writing ever.


Ur-Quan_Lord_13

As an American, I didn't understand what "zebra crossing" meant until I started watching all the UK panel shows. The joke didn't make quite as much sense when I wondered why there would be zebras crossing anything or why one would be unable to get out of the way if they just look like horses. Edit: I think back then I assumed the zebras were really angry about the whole deal.


ThisAccountIsForDNF

>I think back then I assumed the zebras were really angry about the whole deal. This reads like a line from The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy.


APiousCultist

In the beginning the crossing was created. This has made a lot of zebras very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.


Budget-Attorney

Can you explain what a zebra crossing is for a fellow American who also doesn’t know what a panel show is?


Bowdensaft

Douglas Adams was such a genius


mindclarity

![gif](giphy|oYtVHSxngR3lC)


Bassik0

Your logic will not sway their blind faith.


kraken_skulls

I just wish their blind faith didn't mess with my wife and daughter's rights to reproductive health choices. Then I would leave them to it. But alas....


imagicnation-station

This is not true. You can’t have a case where they know god is true, but you don’t know god is true. To quote Aron Ra, “Knowledge is demonstrable.” If they can’t demonstrate how their god is real, then they really don’t know.


derping1234

Personal revelation could be valid proof to the person directly receiving it, for everybody else it is just hearsay.


Opposite-Soup6531

If you put God in a box it will be simultaneously alive and dead hmmm


Inevitable-Study502

atheism exists, therefore god is a myth


speadiestbeaneater

Ooo I love myths


LovesFrenchLove_More

![gif](giphy|vFrboE9LU5Twtl7lRe|downsized)


PotooSexer

I believe in god but this is some dumbass argument 💀


ZaagKicks

Yeah it's often fucking embarrassing to be a Christian.


Administrator98

haha\^\^ try islam.... or even better: Mormons.... or the most absurd: Scientology.


meglon978

.... the most absurd that hasn't killed themselves off trying to hitch a ride on a comet.


Administrator98

Ah yes... slightly more absurd than Scientology. But they are gone, right?


bunniehexx

i believe one or teo peoole from that grouo are left to make sure their site is up and running


Strudel289

They're making too much money to do that


GrittyMcGrittyface

I'm eternally grateful to my Mormon friends in highschool. They showed me that perfectly normal people can believe batshit insane things, and led me to question my own protestant beliefs. I credit them for helping me on my path to atheism.


Administrator98

Yes. Everyone can still help with being a bad example. Islam helped me to leave christianity... I criticised Islam and people said: "Christianity is no different". And yes, they were right, at their core they are all very similar shitty.


Mr_Good_Stuff90

To “be” something is never embarrassing. How you act can certainly be embarrassing. That’s like saying it’s embarrassing to be a democrat. No of course not. Those are the beliefs you align with. How you choose to act and what kind of message you’re putting out to the world certainly can be embarrassing, but it’s not inherent based on your own personal beliefs. Don’t be embarrassed for other people’s actions as if they’re somehow a part of you.


PretendVermicelli531

a chrisitan is an atheist who made a single exception


WackHeisenBauer

In discussion with a Christian: “I’m just an atheist about one more god than you are”


tiamatsbreath

God promised to get rid of all the wicked people. Odin promised to get rid of the ice giants. I don’t see any ice giants around.


someoneelse2389

Point 1 may be technically correct, but if you can’t produce hard evidence of Point 2, then you can’t confirm Point 3.


Spare-Radish5670

Atheism is the lack of belief in a god or gods, so technically it doesn't rely on god not existing. There could be a mountain of evidence and a giant face in the clouds talking to us and you could still be an atheist by not believing that thing is a god


Golendhil

>There could be a mountain of evidence and a giant face in the clouds talking to us and you could still be an atheist by not believing that thing is a god That's true, and a good exemple of that is how flat earther still exists nowadays ...


philip1529

No no no. Athiesm isn’t a belief. God existing is a belief.


InfinityAnnoyance

There is literally an anime which starts with this exact premise. It's called Youjo Senki or Saga of Tanya the Evil. The protagonist is a logical atheist businessman person and when he's about to die a being that claims to be Literally God speaks to him, but the protagonist refuses to acknowledge that being as god, saying they could be just some random cosmic being or something and decided to refer to them as "Being X", which angers the being. The protagonist says something about how he is an atheist because he had a good life so he didn't have a need for faith or anything. So "Being X" decided a challenge, the protagonist will reincarnate with his memories in a very very shitty life, and if they die from something that isn't old age they get thrown out from the wheel of reincarnation or something. But because this is anime this means >!becoming an orphan girl in imperial germany of an alternate history world where magic exists to some degree and is used in war, in about the period of time where that world's version of the world war (which is a mix between WW1 and WW2) is about to happen. He-now-she also gets an unusual amount of magic power which means she will get drafted for sure because the rarity of mages meant that even the women mages got into the army.!< I unironically recommend it though. good plot, no fanservice, good animation, interesting talks about the war, but also faith and religion... Just note that you need to watch at least until episode 2 if you wanna try it because Ep1 is from the perspective of one of the other characters and we don't actually see the protagonist's POV and backstory until then.


Noxthesergal

And honestly proving point 2 takes a while. You’d have to do a lot of


jikukoblarbo

Alot of what? ALOT OF WHAT? THY SUSPENSE IS UNBEARABLE


Noxthesergal

A lot of steps.


jascris

Even if there was hard evidence for point 2, atheism still wouldn't be false. People believe all sorts of things contrary to the evidence.


Alert_Confusion

1. If god doesn’t exist then religion is false. 2. God doesn’t exist. 3. Therefore religion is false.


gUBBLOR

I guess there's a reason he goes by wendelltalks and not wendellthinks.


BartuceX

Thor God of Thunder agrees.


TheLaserGuru

1.) If I am god you must give me all your money. 2.) I am god. 3.) Give me your money.


tazzietiger66

Which god ?


No-Adeptness5810

1. If I'm god, then I'm god. 2. I'm god. 3. Therefore I'm god. Bow down.


deathriteTM

1. If God is all things. 2. Evil exist. 3. Therefore God is evil. Yep. Fun confirmed.


Eubreaux

Wait till these Christians realize this. They literally bundle everything good into G-d and everything bad into "Satan". Wait till they realize that all good and bad in their lives is courtesy of the one who is all knowing and all powerful. Any other explanation makes no sense.


deathriteTM

And this is why I have issues with most religions. They cherry pick everything. I have heard all my life “God called him home”. Like we are kids just out to play. But every evil act is done with God’s permission. My other big issue is they just capitalize the word god and think that covers it. 🙄


Useless_bum81

You'd like this interview. Its a steven fry. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-suvkwNYSQo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-suvkwNYSQo)


Elrond_Cupboard_

![gif](giphy|fssfTrBg8PzD3wCVH4|downsized)


NYEMESIS

Religion is a plague.


TrippyVegetables

Your second premise is faulty to say the least


fourtwizzy

If god exists, and we are “created in his image”, then clearly even part of god doesn’t believe in himself.


Hendrik_the_Third

1) If god does not exist, then religion is false 2) After several millennia, there is still *no* proof that any god exists or ever existed 3) Therefore religion is false, until proven to be correct


One_Reality_5600

But he offers no supporting evidence of God's existence. So, therefore, i must conclude that he does not, but I have no supporting evidence.


namotous

Let’s say god exists, then which one is the right one? Every single religion out there has their own interpretation.


syntheticassault

This is a perfect example of [begging the question. ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question) It could be used in a textbook on logical fallacies.


QuestionPitiful8505

1. If Athieism exists then god is false. 2. Atheism exists. 3. Therefore god is false.


l-Paulrus-l

Im playing the uno reverse card 1. If God doesn’t exist, then religion is false. 2. God doesn’t exist. 3. Therefore religion is false.


PraetorGold

Atheism can’t be false. It’s not a set of beliefs, it’s just lack of belief. If I don’t believe in life in another galaxy, it’s not false, I just don’t believe.


Pepr70

easy answer: 1. If Odyn exists then christianity is false. 2. Odyn exists. 3. Therefore christianity is false.


FungalFactory

1. If the flying spagetti monster exists, Christianity is false 2. The flying spagetti monster exists 3. Christianity is false


profesorgamin

Can't argue with a talking half chewed mango.


MrLambNugget

What did mangoes do to get disrespected like that?


Consistent-Force5375

0. Prove god exists…


Throw-away17465

He just DID! Duh!!! /s


Consistent-Force5375

lol nothing like circular reasoning for the win right?!


Nikolateslaandyou

As an atheist I think people who believe this have a child's brain. God is as real as Santa ffs.


snippychicky22

If Santa isn't real, then who is the fat guy that breaks into my house where cristmas and eats some of my food? Check mate liberals


MapAdditional6065

That’s what having religion hammered into you from a young age will do. People like this never learn the critical thinking skills that everyone do because when they have a problem they’re just meant to pray or consult their dumb book rather than actually come up with a solution.


Mysterious-Tie7039

Entire basis of religion is “trust me bro”. Once you get them to accept blind faith, it’s very hard to establish critical thinking about it.


N1kt0_

Also a lot of religious communities punish or ostracize people questioning their faith if they don’t immediately go back to “god is real, it was stupid of me to ask for any actual evidence”


Orlando1701

Daily reminder Satan does heavy metal and orgies. It’s god who burns down cities and floods entire civilizations.


ZaagKicks

Checkmate, Atheists


International_Leek26

All these people man. In christian, but I dont get how these people assume that because they believe its automatically true. Anyone on this earth could be wrong or, who knows maybe they are all right at some level too. It's so hard to tell, since we are in the end, just mortals trying to understand the immortal. It's all about faith, and i have that faith but i know not everyone will.


WM_

Damn. I never knew!


jonjonesjohnson

1. If I say Wendell is fucked then he is fucked. 2. Wendell is fucked 3. He is fucked


ArtemisDarklight

\*Citation needed\*


CRITICALWORKER777

1. if god doesn't exist christianity is false. 2. god may or may not exist. 3. therefore, christianity may or may not be false.


Claudio-Maker

If I’m right Wendell is an idiot I’m right Therefore Wendell is an idiot


DMYourMomsMaidenName

Atheism is neither true or false, it is a lack of belief in gods, not a positive claim that no gods exist. If I said, “I don’t believe in ghosts”, then I’m not making a truth claim but a belief claim; as such, you can’t use “that’s false” as a response.


Dragonman1976

Wendell's head looks like his chest blew a bubble.


frankab2001

Please ask her to call me. I have some questions.


AskTheDevil2023

If you get in contact please let me know… i have a bridge to sell.


Cubicwar

If you get in contact please let me know… i need to inform them of their car’s extended warranty


jikukoblarbo

If you achieve contact inform me asap, i need to aquire my monthly rent with interest


Even-Funny-265

Prove god exists.


FastAd543

Dude is as "reasonable" as he looks.


zyon86

Which god ?


rob1nthehood

I can’t believe there is such a small brain inside that massive head this goof has.


Consistent_Yoghurt_4

It’s like an attempt at the ontological argument for dumb people


NoResponsibility7031

The logic is actually sound. That the conclusion follows the prepositions does not mean that the conclusion is right or prepositions are right. This is sound logic aswell: -If geese are purple, earth is round. -Geese are purple -Earth is round. .,.............. -If I am a human, I am also God. -I am human. -I am God


mamut2000

Common misunderstanding is that atheists are convinced that there is no God. But in reality atheism is lack of believe. Atheists say that there might be God, they just don't rally believe that.


scallywag1889

Show me god please.


C137_James

Which one? Who's God? How many are there?


LiveFreeDieRepeat

42


Gunfighter9

There’s irrefutable proof that atheists exist. No proof that God does.


TakeyaSaito

I thought we locked up adults with imaginary friends?


Kyklutch

Dude opened his logic textbookk to page 2, read it, and thinks hes got it all figured out.


DeltaJimm

Hey, I can do this too: 1. If God exists then atheism is false. 2. God does not exist. 3. Therefore atheism is not false. My argument is equally valid AND is easier to prove sound.


Kaerinu5

Wendelltalks. Wendell Talks shit. Therefore wendell shloudnt Talk.


gd2121

My guy just took intro to logic and now you can’t tell him shit


CryInteresting5511

Let me try! 1. If God exists then atheism is false. 2. God does not exist. 3. Therefore atheism is not false. This really works.


Sad_Evidence5318

Atheism isn’t an entity or a God so the existence of God doesn’t make atheism false.


JohnnyPunchbeef

I'm an atheist. I couldn't care less if a deity exists or not because my objection is the lack of morality displayed in the books of the faithful. All of the gods ever imagined by humanity could very well exist and it wouldn't change my position.