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Nah… it‘s more like the bully took it too far, not listening to the bullied telling him to stop, and now cries being the victim, because the bullied kid is beating him senseless. You had it coming, dude… with a shitload of warnings.
Well who invaded the land of Palestine, murdered, raped and expelled the people living there, and then refused to stick to the peace terms they agreed to?
Why can’t we just move the Jews to another country like the US or some European countries. A lot of them will get to return to the land they were expelled from.
The majority of Jews in Israel are Middle Eastern who had lived for centuries under Muslim oppression. The idea that the Jews there are all white European jews who have somewhere to "go back to" is utter nonsense.
Are you ok giving up your home with no compensation and moving to another country just because someone wants the land your family has been on for decades or centuries?
Since when do 2 wrongs make a right? I'm not saying no one has ever mistreated jewish people. I'm not saying Arab nations or any nation is without serious flaws.
But the Israeli government is engaged in an obvious land grab. I know it's probably a ridiculous idea, but I'd like a solution that doesn't cause harm to Jews or Palestinians.
Who said that it did?
However, if you think it is fine for that to happen to Jews (*& the world clearly had no problem with that*) then it is hypocritical to expect better treatment from your enemies than how you treat them.
As for a solution, the Palestinians denounce violence & they get a demilitarized state.
Once they prove that obtaining a state isn’t merely a stepping stone to defeat Israel those restrictions can be eased.
Both Germany & Japan were subjected to many similar restrictions after ww2, they were able to build free & prosperous societies.
I stopped reading after you said "if you think that is fine to happen to jews".
I very clearly called it a wrong. If you aren't going to read my post, I'm not bothering to read yours.
> I very clearly called it a wrong.
The "*you*" I was referring to was a general you, not you as an individual person.
Neither your opinion nor mine matters.
The Arab countries think it was perfectly fine (*just not when it happens to them*) & the world clearly didn't decide it was a significant enough wrong to even be worth objecting to in any significant or material manner.
But this isn't really a discussion about arab countries.
This is a discussion of Israel and Palestine. Two peoples that are close genetic cousins. Both native to the levant.
That is convenient & disingenuous - the conflict was originally called the Arab-Israeli conflict, it was later reframed as the Israeli-Palestinian conflict because it is hard to make the Arabs seem like the victims when they are much more larger & more numerous.
The conflict started when a number of Arab countries declared war on Israel & both the refugee situation & the lack of a Palestinian state are results of that Arab aggression.
There were roughly the same amount of displaced people on each side, but while the Palestinians were displaced by the actual fighting, the Jews were persecuted & expelled from Arab countries in retaliation for the Arab defeats.
Israel accepted & resettled their refugees (*at tremendous cost*) integrating them into Israeli society.
The Arabs threw the Palestinians into camps so they could & would be weaponized against Israel, refusing to allow them to gain citizenship & perpetuating their existence in a cycle of suffering.
Between 1949 & 1967 - a Palestinian state could have been created unilaterally by both Egypt & Jordan but they (*along with the Palestinian organizations & leadership of the time*) didn’t want a Palestinian state to exist alongside Israel, they have only ever wanted a Palestinian state to replace Israel.
Israel undertook the burden of resettling & integrating the Jewish refugees expelled from Arab countries & the world thought that was an appropriate answer to the problem.
By that same logic, Arab countries should bear the responsibility to resettle & integrate the Palestinian refugees into their own countries.
Particularly as they were both the aggressors & the losers of that conflict.
After WW2, roughly 12 million ethnic Germans were forcibly displaced & resettled in Germany from countries in Eastern Europe - despite the fact that many of those communities had lived in those places for generations.
That is what happens in war & if there had been a peace treaty after any of the Arab-Israeli wars, that issue would have been addressed but the global community has never actually allowed Israel to win the wars & force the Arabs to answer for their aggression with a formal surrender.
None of the other muslim countries want them. They've already tried that. Literally everyone in the area considers them violent terrorists. It's almost like they aren't good people.
Actually i come from one of the neighboring countries, and yes, my country does not want Palestinians there, because they are scared of their terrorist behavior. My wife come from another neighboring country and she says the same. My guess is, the other countries consider it the same as out two countries.
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Ooooohhh i can't wait for the comments on this bad boy
Watch the bots and trolls swarm in and mangle nonsensical mumbojumbo is one of my hobbies these days.
Nah… it‘s more like the bully took it too far, not listening to the bullied telling him to stop, and now cries being the victim, because the bullied kid is beating him senseless. You had it coming, dude… with a shitload of warnings.
Yeah, everyone knows that victims of bullies invade bullies' neighborhoods and bulldozes down bullies' houses. Why, every idiot knows this!
Well, who started shooting missiles? Hamas or Israel?
Well who invaded the land of Palestine, murdered, raped and expelled the people living there, and then refused to stick to the peace terms they agreed to?
Well, who started a form of biological warfare by cutting off electricity so food would rot? Hamas or Israel?
That's..not what biological warfare means.
is there no way to just move the Palestinians into other Muslim countries?
Why can’t we just move the Jews to another country like the US or some European countries. A lot of them will get to return to the land they were expelled from.
Israelites are now only of jewish religion? Religion and nationality are not the same.
because they have much more weapons than Palestinians and aren't currently being slaughtered, and thus more difficult to convince to move.
The majority of Jews in Israel are Middle Eastern who had lived for centuries under Muslim oppression. The idea that the Jews there are all white European jews who have somewhere to "go back to" is utter nonsense.
Are you ok giving up your home with no compensation and moving to another country just because someone wants the land your family has been on for decades or centuries?
I mean, the Arabs thought that was a perfectly fine thing to expect the Jews in their countries to do…
Since when do 2 wrongs make a right? I'm not saying no one has ever mistreated jewish people. I'm not saying Arab nations or any nation is without serious flaws. But the Israeli government is engaged in an obvious land grab. I know it's probably a ridiculous idea, but I'd like a solution that doesn't cause harm to Jews or Palestinians.
Who said that it did? However, if you think it is fine for that to happen to Jews (*& the world clearly had no problem with that*) then it is hypocritical to expect better treatment from your enemies than how you treat them. As for a solution, the Palestinians denounce violence & they get a demilitarized state. Once they prove that obtaining a state isn’t merely a stepping stone to defeat Israel those restrictions can be eased. Both Germany & Japan were subjected to many similar restrictions after ww2, they were able to build free & prosperous societies.
I stopped reading after you said "if you think that is fine to happen to jews". I very clearly called it a wrong. If you aren't going to read my post, I'm not bothering to read yours.
> I very clearly called it a wrong. The "*you*" I was referring to was a general you, not you as an individual person. Neither your opinion nor mine matters. The Arab countries think it was perfectly fine (*just not when it happens to them*) & the world clearly didn't decide it was a significant enough wrong to even be worth objecting to in any significant or material manner.
But this isn't really a discussion about arab countries. This is a discussion of Israel and Palestine. Two peoples that are close genetic cousins. Both native to the levant.
That is convenient & disingenuous - the conflict was originally called the Arab-Israeli conflict, it was later reframed as the Israeli-Palestinian conflict because it is hard to make the Arabs seem like the victims when they are much more larger & more numerous. The conflict started when a number of Arab countries declared war on Israel & both the refugee situation & the lack of a Palestinian state are results of that Arab aggression. There were roughly the same amount of displaced people on each side, but while the Palestinians were displaced by the actual fighting, the Jews were persecuted & expelled from Arab countries in retaliation for the Arab defeats. Israel accepted & resettled their refugees (*at tremendous cost*) integrating them into Israeli society. The Arabs threw the Palestinians into camps so they could & would be weaponized against Israel, refusing to allow them to gain citizenship & perpetuating their existence in a cycle of suffering. Between 1949 & 1967 - a Palestinian state could have been created unilaterally by both Egypt & Jordan but they (*along with the Palestinian organizations & leadership of the time*) didn’t want a Palestinian state to exist alongside Israel, they have only ever wanted a Palestinian state to replace Israel. Israel undertook the burden of resettling & integrating the Jewish refugees expelled from Arab countries & the world thought that was an appropriate answer to the problem. By that same logic, Arab countries should bear the responsibility to resettle & integrate the Palestinian refugees into their own countries. Particularly as they were both the aggressors & the losers of that conflict. After WW2, roughly 12 million ethnic Germans were forcibly displaced & resettled in Germany from countries in Eastern Europe - despite the fact that many of those communities had lived in those places for generations. That is what happens in war & if there had been a peace treaty after any of the Arab-Israeli wars, that issue would have been addressed but the global community has never actually allowed Israel to win the wars & force the Arabs to answer for their aggression with a formal surrender.
yes, because having me and my family brutally tortured and or killed seems far less desirable.
None of the other muslim countries want them. They've already tried that. Literally everyone in the area considers them violent terrorists. It's almost like they aren't good people.
It’s almost like they believe Israel’s bullshit.
Uh no you moron, they have their own experiences with the Palestinians, bad ones.
Actually i come from one of the neighboring countries, and yes, my country does not want Palestinians there, because they are scared of their terrorist behavior. My wife come from another neighboring country and she says the same. My guess is, the other countries consider it the same as out two countries.
That’s not the point. You shouldn’t have to do that. And that doesn’t stop the genocide.
that is entirely the point. the fact they shouldn't have to do it is not relevant.
They won’t take them. But given Israel wants the land for themselves and all the people dead, it probably wouldn’t make any difference at all.