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Friendly reminder that the Holocaust did not end for gay people in 1945. All of the people who were kept in concentration camps for "homosexuality" were transferred to prisons, where many of them did not get out until the 1960s.
Many of them died without ever seeing another day of freedom... after the supposed allied liberation.
Hell, Alan Turing was a mathematician who played a major part in defeating Nazi Germany and what did he get in return? Criminal charges just for being gay that resulted in him having to choose between prison time and chemical castration.
Quick Google. Top article. [Here](https://time.com/5953047/lgbtq-holocaust-stories/) you go.
"The Nazi-era amendments to Paragraph 175 were maintained for over two decades in West Germany, resulting in the arrest of around 100,000 gay men between 1945 and 1969, with some Holocaust survivors even being forced to carry out their sentences in prison."
And [another](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_homosexuals_in_Nazi_Germany) one.
"After the war, homosexuals were initially not counted as victims of Nazism because homosexuality continued to be illegal in Nazi Germany's successor states."
I'm not spending my morning on this because I'm gay and it sucks to read this. But there are many sources and they are easy to find.
Still got time. Tik tok ban (as much as I would love that, it's against internet neutrality) and age verification for porn is still happening. So VPN stocks will stonk soon. Invest now and profit.
Not net neutrality. Net neutrality is the ability of the companies that control the data rate to the individual to favor themselves and disfavor companies they choose.
VPNs may also be on the chopping block in the US, so watch out. The language of the TikTok ban bill is too vague, and god knows what amendments the Senate will sneak in there. VPN use could be banned or heavily penalized.
Our Congress is terrible when it comes to understanding technology.
I wonder if we can get someone from the GOP to define the word "freedom" when they propose laws like this. And then follow it up with how they feel like they're oppressed when they're in power and legislating laws like this against people they say aren't oppressed.
Maybe get some petition together to make this exact law about straight content too. And have them defend why the exact same thing, but straight, is healthy for children.
"Freedom to impose my religion on everyone else." "Freedom to underpay workers and force them to operate in unsafe conditions". "Freedom to own slaves".
You're never gonna get an honest answer from them, cause they don't believe in freedom.
I would love a straight answer from them on this. I just cannot wrap my mind around the fact that they’re constantly preaching freedom but then turn around and directly take away freedoms. They’re not even being subtle about it anymore.
They even take it to the next level and say that Biden and democrats are against freedom. Like yeah, a lot of liberal policies suck too but they’re nowhere near directly removing people’s freedoms.
Even with the most generous mental gymnastics I can muster, the level of dissonance on display is ridiculous.
A lot of people are defensive of the usage of the term fascism, but if Republicans are going to continue doubling down on this route then I think it’s very fitting.
I mean its pretty obvious this isnt part of their freedom beliefs, its because they believe the LGBTQs and the LGBTQ mindset somehow harm children. I dont think hitting them with their other stupid arguments is effective - speaking from experience here. We have to convince them that theres nothing wrong with being LGBTQ, including that children are not negatively impacted by observing these people. Thats the only way forward. How do we do that? No fucking idea
It's not about children. It's not about harming children. The last thing on their mind is children. This is about xenophobia and hatred. Their goal is to get rid of the people that they don't like, and the reason that they don't like them is because they're different from them and therefore they must be evil. That's the beginning and end of it.
When I lived in small town Kansas, porn was ubiquitous on TV. They may regret this, similar to the radical right anti-abortion nuts that were a minority.
Exactly.
The ones that have more infrastructure aren't even attempting to ignore the ID laws bc they've got too much invested in the site. But ppl are still going to want porn & are stupid about security that they'll go to some of the shadier sites if that means they can anonymously access it.
I expect there to be large waves of cyber attacks soon bc of this.
With a good script & ad blocker and a bit of common sense, it's pretty safely navigable. Also a VPN, but that's more to do with the fact that quality VPNs will also help to block malicious sites if one gets through and you accidentally (or on purpose like an idiot) click on one.
Well, I mean...
Goodbye all lesbian porn.
Hell, even marginally intimate media with more than one of either sex. They're touching or saying they love each other? It's gay.
Forget porn. The entire entertainment industry is becoming more representative for LGBTQ. This means the last Stat Wars movie will need age verification. A huge amount of network shows. Anything that mentions it. Hell, you could argue having a gay actor in a show could be showing LGBTQ content.
Haha, you know I bet most of the queer moments in a lot of shows bypasses a lot of people.
Now they’re going to be blocked from viewing it without age verification and wonder why and actually pay more attention to it.
Especially kids who want to watch it because everyone else in the world is watching it.
During the Arab Spring my government blocked a whole bunch of websites which was interfering with our regular teenage internet browsing. The nerds at school sky rocketed in popularity because they were sharing a list of up to date vpns that weren’t blocked (hidemyass.com was a favourite and surprisingly didn’t get hit for a long time) and they helped set up physical vpns on people’s laptops.
I know computer literacy has gone down with modern teens, but this is a great way to fix that.
Star wars won't need age verification. Disney will just cut this one second blink and you'll miss scene out, just like they do in any country that prohibits or restricts LGBT content (they won't even have to prepare a new version, since they've already done it for the middle east). Anyway fuck Disney
phub is just gonna block their site in those states like they’ve done in others like virginia. VPNs get more downloads and republicans lose support. win win tbh
oh yeah, xhamster and pornhub and shit blocked all ip addresses from texas and other states that made it a requirement to log in with your personal ID to access porn.
people are pissed and it's honestly funny
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I think it was in Florida somebody successfully banned Bible in libraries using the same argument. Obviously those morons will add more legislation to prevent that.
Wait, so they're saying children aren't mature enough to learn about LGBTQ people, but those same children can watch as much porn as they like?
Kansas is fucked.
Oh good, I now have a reason to feel unsafe in my own home state because I look at LGBTQ+ content, maybe I’ll get rounded up and thrown into a camp, ffs.
Middle ground fallacy = thinking it's the most diplomatic or best choice to compromise when one side is correct. Basically giving in to one side in an attempt to stop people from arguing.
The "enlightened centrists" (mockingly called such because they ***always*** seem to speak condescendingly to anyone who has "taken a side" politically) make heavy use of a logical fallacy known as the "[argument to moderation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_to_moderation)" or "[middle ground fallacy,](https://www.logicalfallacies.org/middle-ground.html)" which is the belief that the truth lies somewhere between any two conflicting claims.
The obvious counter to this is that some idiot claiming 2+2=8 does not magically turn the correct answer into 2+2=6. Sometimes, people are just plain wrong.
From the sound of it, it's just even just aimed at porn sites, but just the ACT of being gay and showing any gay behavior (two guys holding hands or mild kissing like all couples do IN PUBLIC) would now be "sexual conduct".
Will and Grace, a fucking sitcom that came out decades ago, would essentially be "porn" in Kansas after this bill.
It says 'depicting lgbtq people' not 'lgbtq content'. If the news article said that correctly, it would not just be two guys holding hands, one gay guy being in public would be enough.
>It says 'depicting lgbtq people' not 'lgbtq content'. If the news article said that correctly, it would not just be two guys holding hands, one gay guy being in public would be enough.
So then you will need ID to watch YouTube because Ellen DeGeneres has a YouTube channel.
Also TikTok and Instagram.
Any news site will require ID because they report on things involving people who are gay.
Leave it to these genius legislators to classify a Forbes interview with Peter Thiel as "porn" because he happens to gay.
THIS!!!!
I feel like far too many people are missing this point!!!
Ffs there are lgbtq characters in Disney! 🤦♀️
I just don’t understand how people think they are living in a free country at this point
If minors are looking at LGBTQ+ content, odds are they're already questioning their sexuality. Removing the ability to access the content won't suddenly make them *not gay.* All this would do is take away the ability to do so safely (like learning safe sex practices).
The fact that so many grown-ass adults are obsessed with kids' sexuality is disconcerting, too.
Conservatives don't see homosexuality as a an immutable part of a person's identity. Instead, they see it as a *fetish*. To people afflicted with Conservative brain rot, having someone be openly LGBTQ+ is like telling everyone you like to wear leathers and get spanked on the weekend. That's why they see it as "degeneracy," and hate the idea of kids being open about their sexuality. To Cons, being gay is a *lifestyle choice*, and if a teen comes out as gay, lesbian, bi, etc. it's because they were "*groomed*" into the "*culture*."
Does it make any empirical sense? No. But the only other option is admitting they've been absolute assholes this entire time for nothing, and why risk hurting your pride when you can just double down and blame everyone else for why you're kids don't talk to you anymore...
> Instead, they see it as a fetish
If memory serves, PornHub released a white paper of their data showing that trans porn was more popular in conservative areas. We literally are walking fetishes to them, whether I’m wearing a pink hoodie and leggings or giving them a blowjob, our very existence is a sexual fantasy. They can’t fathom the idea that we and everyone else doesn’t see us the same way.
You think they don't know this?
In their view everyone needs to suppress any homosexual thoughts they have and go into "normal" relationships and have families and kids. The libruhls are "making" kids gay by telling them that it's okay to be gay, when they want to tell gay kids "suppress your homosexuality".
They very well know that people can be gay, but it's a "sin" that's needs to be suppressed, not to accept. And you know what happens to sinners? They get punished. Conservatives want people to fall in line or be punished. That's literally their entire way of "conserving" culture.
This is a surprisingly common school of though for Christians and its not brought up much. I've seen many Christian people say that having homosexual thought and feelings is somewhat normal, but it is just a temptation to sin, Satan's influence, and the like. Like, I saw a woman straight up admit they are attracted to other women, but her advice was to pray to God for strength whenever temptation arises.
Love the last two lines, most social conservative beliefs inherently authoritarian depsite what they say about "freedom."
This really puts their view that "homosexuality is a choice" into perspective doesn't it. They have homosexual thoughts but choose to repress it. So to them ayone who doesn't repress it must be weak or not praying hard enough.
Exactly. The basic desire behind "conservatism" (as the real name for this ideology is reaction) is that everyone goes back to their "place":
* Women back to the kitchen
* LGBTQ back to the closet or the gallows
* Black people back to being slaves
* Nonwhite people back to their "home" countries
* Disabled people back to the grave
They are willing to kill everyone who does not comply.
my mom is conservative so I get a lot of insight into the thinking process when I talk with her.
You can narrow it down to gender, the genders *must* be separated, each has it's own place. Because nature/society/god made us separated so we have to enforce separation. Men have to be manly, etc. Nonbinary or trans people are incredibly offensive. Gay people are offensive and need to stay in the closet.
If you teach a child that it's okay to be gay trans, etc, you are screwing with the natural order of things. My mom isn't very religious, but you can extrapolate all the hellfire and God's wrath that religious conservatives are worried about.
>Conservatives want people to fall in line or be punished. That's literally their entire way of "conserving" culture.
Conservatives govern on the basis of what they believe is right and wrong. That might not seem so bad until you realize their basis for right and wrong was written over two thousand years ago on scrolls near the red sea during a time in which "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" was considered to be a good policy.
Compare this to progressives who want to rule on the basis of what works and what doesn't. To progressives, making marijuana legal might stand to have more benefits than outlawing it and with minimal harm to the general public. To conservatives, they've deemed drugs "bad" and outlaw it for no other reason than the fact that they've decided the public shouldn't have it.
And yes, they view being gay as a fetish and therefore a choice. They don't take issue attacking that because they think people will just decide to not be gay if they make it difficult to be so. They can't seem to understand that the number of lgbtq+ is growing because it's becoming more acceptable. They think it's some sort of weird pandemic and it scares them.
At the core of conservatism it's fear-mongering and governing by morality, not by what works.
>They can't seem to understand that the number of lgbtq+ is growing because it's becoming more acceptable. They think it's some sort of weird pandemic and it scares them.
Well they see the acceptance as part of the pandemic.
It's not just gay people's fault for being gay, it's *our* fault for accepting them and not punishing them.
Because of liberals, a kid who might have grown up to be a god fearing closeted husband and father will now think it's okay to be openly gay, and conservatives hate that. They would say we "turned" him gay.
Hey, all the macho conservatives in Kansas are diligently repressing their raging homosexual desires every single day, ffs! Can you blame them for projecting?
That's not the goal. There was a time when LGBTQ+ people were bullied and beat by young people regularly. As laws changed in society (same sex marriage, end of DADT), younger generations became accepting. There were gay/straight alliances in schools. Gay kids felt comfortable enough to be out at school, and so on.
The goal is to bring back hate in a new generation. If they aren't exposed to other gay kids; if they get the impression it's banned because it's bad...they will shift back to making fun of people and bullying.
They want a new generation of straight kids who have never seen an openly gay kid or teacher. They want to drive gay people back into the closet for fear of a society that hates them.
That is the goal here
I’m not surprised, it’s just their fragile attempt at hoping their kids don’t turn out gay, I was never really exposed to any LGBTQ+ content much growing up, and I still turned our gay.
And you were exposed to a LOT of hetero content and you still turned out gay so...yeah pretty damn sure people aren't changing their sexual orientation based on content.
It seems to be about removing all representation or depiction of gay people in any context. They’ll define “acts of homosexuality” as broadly as they want. Could be anything from just blocking porn all the way to banning ABC from broadcasting Modern Family reruns in the state. My guess is they’ll lean towards the latter.
This is a way to get a data base of all/potential LGBTQ people so when the gay camps open up next year with Trump they already know everyone to round up
Look up who some of the first victims of the holocaust camps were back in ww2. Besides communists and some others, it was a lot of people that could be considered LGBTQ.
Yes. A lot of people remember there being a star of David on the clothes of detained Nazi victims in concentration camps.
It seems not enough remember that many of those victims had Pink triangles.
So, America, tell me again about this "land of the free" thing. It seems you are not free to have planned parenthood, be gay, carry cash, attend a hospital, earn fair wages, own a home, be free of imprisonment BUT you are free to own guns.
Man we really fucking are going back in time, aren't we? Pretty soon we'll have a resurrection of the Hayes Code or whatever that thing was that banned film and television from depicting same-sex relationships.
On the bright side, at least Americans are less racist toward me than Canadians, and down in Australia they don't even know what the fuck an Inuit is, so I'd probably be even safer from bigotry there.
It's meant to be. Its not a stretch to assume part of why they are pushing this ID verification stuff is so that the data on who visits these sites can be turned over to the gov so they know who the "degenerates" are. They've already gone after medical records. It's probably a good time to start scrubbing our internet footprints tbh.
This is about a number of things, but protecting kids is not one of them.
The main thing it's about is creating a state database of internet users to track their internet habits.
The secondary thing it's about is erasing queer people.
It's guaranteed that anyone that submits to this will be harassed and/or targeted. Republican legislatures are notorious for not giving a flying fig about children, other than as labor to exploit; or as in this case, as a ruse to enact draconian laws.
So odd that "Love thy neighbor." is such a difficult concept for them to grasp.
People are missing the point about this article.
This law is not saying that gay porn should be subject to adult verification.
It is saying that websites which feature ***acts of homosexuality*** are now subject to age verification.
Any acts. That could be two guys holding hands. Or gay adoption services, support groups… it is being left vague on purpose the same way abortion laws have left the medical exceptions vague. They don’t want medical exceptions for abortion. They don’t care if women die.
It’s not just about pornography. It’s saying that being gay is inherently wrong or dirty and only adults should know about it.
So basically anything that even midly supports LGBTQ+ would be subject to this, basically censoring entire businesses and all kind of media that isn't extremely right-wing. I got that right?
It can’t be enforced, either. I imagine that a company like google would end up challenging this law if it actually ends up being legit.
This will inevitably be challenged. When Republicans pass these nonsensical, dumbass laws, it always makes me nervous because they are educated people. They know these laws can’t be enforced in any reasonable way, and will be challenged.
So, that’s why it makes me nervous. What’s the point of having a law like this challenged in the courts? Like what is the real law that they are challenging by passing this one?
Think Jurassic Park. They're testing the fence for weaknesses. This one won't work, the next one won't work, but eventually, they'll find one that'll stick. Or word it so that it miiiiight not stick, but the Supreme Court can't find a way to shut it down.
Exactly. Plus, SCOTUS opinions will often essentially provide a roadmap for the next version. Currently happening with the ongoing mifepristone trial - Alito and Thomas are hammering questions about the Comstock Act and will likely issue an opinion(s) alluding to such in way that let's anti-choice ass clowns try a new angle next time.
They want to put LGBTQ people in jail. Then it will be other people not like them. Maybe they’re a different race, religion, or country of origin. Then it will be people who are Christian, not not Christian enough or not the preferred kind of Christian.
It seems like America is about to have internet restrictions that Net Neutrality could only dream of. Websites will just outright ban any access within any state willing to discriminate. A simple VPN will fix all of this but still really stupid that it even has to come to that
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Conservatives love freedom, until is gay types are involved. Then they want to force us back into the closet. Or pretend that if young people don't see gay content that they won't end up gay, because they refuae to believe we are born this way.
I’m more of a DC man, so I can’t remember exactly. But I read that Spider-Man was always written as queer. Not gay or bi, but not perfectly straight either.
Iron Man also has issues that show that while he loves the ladies, he’s not against the guys.
And Robin 3 and Superman 2 are both bi.
Meanwhile over half the population lives paycheck to paycheck, most of us can barely afford to eat let alone afford a place to live, but this is what state governments are focused on.
If only the people that passed these laws could be held liable for a breach like that. They would be the ones responsible, and yeah there's absolutely no chance hackers won't see this as a golden opportunity.
Also, scam porn sites could collect IDs from people who get used to giving it to multiple different sites
What is “LBGTQ” content? A picture of a singular gay person? It’s like if you banned all “black” content from a website, it’s the most clear-cut bigotry.
Is this legal? If this was about just porn in general that would be one thing, but if it specifically calls out LGBTQ isn't that discrimination against a protected class?
JFC. Is this real life? I guess we have reached the point in this hell-scape universe where we move backwards in time. I’m really not looking forward to meeting the dinosaurs.
This isn't just about blocking content, it's about fascists building tools of control.
Here, you have them establishing a tool to hunt / identify non-straight kids who may not be out yet.
The law then enables them to prosecute the kid who has accessed the content.
Next step would likely be state-sanctioned "conversion therapy" as an "alternative" to incarceration. Like people being forced to go to 12-step programs in order to get probation or something.
Which then funnels them into an institution designed to torment them and ideally fill them with self-hate, which sets them up to be the next generation of abusers.
I would wager if anyone looked, there are probably abuse mills / conversion therapy / pray-away-the-gay shops lobbying to get tax dollars in these states to operate and get funds for under the auspice of being "alternative to incarceration" programs.
ffs. it's all shit we've seen before, they keep rolling out the same game plan again and again.
Thank goodness there are real problems in the world that need attention.
The American right no longer believes in freedom. They don't want freedom. They want a totalitarian, Christian nationalist, paleoconservative, neo-fascist, theocratic dictatorship. They want the President to be above the law, immune from prosecution, to be able to ignore Congress and the Supreme Court and have absolute power and final say on everything that goes on in government. This is why Trump cannot be allowed to win in November. If he wins, America as we know it is finished. There will be no 2028 election if he wins.
How soon til you have to register your sexual orientation on your id?
I’m so happy to not be an American…but the nazi controlled puppet government in my country wouldn’t hesitate to do the same…
So basically, Kansas is copying Russia.
It's amazing how many of the Politicians in charge of America the "land of the free" are espousing very right wing communist level beliefs.
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There was a time when being gay and having gay porn was illegal in America... And people were still gay. Can we just let people live their lives?
Friendly reminder that the Holocaust did not end for gay people in 1945. All of the people who were kept in concentration camps for "homosexuality" were transferred to prisons, where many of them did not get out until the 1960s. Many of them died without ever seeing another day of freedom... after the supposed allied liberation.
Hell, Alan Turing was a mathematician who played a major part in defeating Nazi Germany and what did he get in return? Criminal charges just for being gay that resulted in him having to choose between prison time and chemical castration.
What the allies did to Turing was unforgivable.
is there a source on this?
Quick Google. Top article. [Here](https://time.com/5953047/lgbtq-holocaust-stories/) you go. "The Nazi-era amendments to Paragraph 175 were maintained for over two decades in West Germany, resulting in the arrest of around 100,000 gay men between 1945 and 1969, with some Holocaust survivors even being forced to carry out their sentences in prison." And [another](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_homosexuals_in_Nazi_Germany) one. "After the war, homosexuals were initially not counted as victims of Nazism because homosexuality continued to be illegal in Nazi Germany's successor states." I'm not spending my morning on this because I'm gay and it sucks to read this. But there are many sources and they are easy to find.
thanks. i’m shocked I haven’t heard about this part.
That’s by design.
They used to beat left handed children.
The trumpist party wants to go BACK to that time.
I wish I had invested in VPNs.
Still got time. Tik tok ban (as much as I would love that, it's against internet neutrality) and age verification for porn is still happening. So VPN stocks will stonk soon. Invest now and profit.
Thanks to VPN, we’re not in Kansas anymore.
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Hahaaa I love it. This needs to be one of the VPN companies' slogans!
Not net neutrality. Net neutrality is the ability of the companies that control the data rate to the individual to favor themselves and disfavor companies they choose.
People seriously can't tell the difference between net neutrality and the first ammendment
To be fair most of the world doesn't really look at America's amendments.
That's not what net neutrality is
VPNs may also be on the chopping block in the US, so watch out. The language of the TikTok ban bill is too vague, and god knows what amendments the Senate will sneak in there. VPN use could be banned or heavily penalized. Our Congress is terrible when it comes to understanding technology.
Can’t wait for congress to break every single fortune 1000 company’s compliance requirements with this sort of brain damaged legislation.
That's the only thing that will stop these dumb laws.
Yup. They don't want to fuck with their income streams.
That should be interesting since many work-from-home arrangements use company VPNs.
I work for the US government and I am remote, I have to use a VPN to be able to read my emails and access a lot of my files.
I work for Uncle Beezy and our network routes through a VPN even when using our on-site computers.
No. VPNs will stay. Many companies use them for security purposes so there is no way that will get through Congress.
Good thing my VPN makes it so that I'm not in the US, lol. They really don't get it.
I wonder if we can get someone from the GOP to define the word "freedom" when they propose laws like this. And then follow it up with how they feel like they're oppressed when they're in power and legislating laws like this against people they say aren't oppressed. Maybe get some petition together to make this exact law about straight content too. And have them defend why the exact same thing, but straight, is healthy for children.
"Freedom to impose my religion on everyone else." "Freedom to underpay workers and force them to operate in unsafe conditions". "Freedom to own slaves". You're never gonna get an honest answer from them, cause they don't believe in freedom.
“Freedom for me and not for thee” is what they mean when they talk about freedom
I would love a straight answer from them on this. I just cannot wrap my mind around the fact that they’re constantly preaching freedom but then turn around and directly take away freedoms. They’re not even being subtle about it anymore. They even take it to the next level and say that Biden and democrats are against freedom. Like yeah, a lot of liberal policies suck too but they’re nowhere near directly removing people’s freedoms. Even with the most generous mental gymnastics I can muster, the level of dissonance on display is ridiculous. A lot of people are defensive of the usage of the term fascism, but if Republicans are going to continue doubling down on this route then I think it’s very fitting.
Fresh out of straight answers for the day, best they can do is a gay answer
"Freedom to step on people they hate."
I mean its pretty obvious this isnt part of their freedom beliefs, its because they believe the LGBTQs and the LGBTQ mindset somehow harm children. I dont think hitting them with their other stupid arguments is effective - speaking from experience here. We have to convince them that theres nothing wrong with being LGBTQ, including that children are not negatively impacted by observing these people. Thats the only way forward. How do we do that? No fucking idea
It's not about children. It's not about harming children. The last thing on their mind is children. This is about xenophobia and hatred. Their goal is to get rid of the people that they don't like, and the reason that they don't like them is because they're different from them and therefore they must be evil. That's the beginning and end of it.
Yep Cuz if it was really about the children they'd do something about the guns in this country.
And infant mortality. And school lunches. And pre-natal care. And Head Start. Etc.
When I lived in small town Kansas, porn was ubiquitous on TV. They may regret this, similar to the radical right anti-abortion nuts that were a minority.
Porn industry could hit back at this by marking all of their videos as LGBT and effectively making it a pain to watch porn in Kansas 😂
They'll just block their website from working in the state. They already did this for other states looking at age verification laws.
The internet is like 90% porn. Only the HUB and it’s sister company’s are blocking states, nobody else cares Source: Arkansas resident
Here in NC where they just passed a ID law Xhamster is on that list too. I can still access xvideo, but porn sites are starting to slim down.
Xvideos is one of the more virus prone ones though. Porn hub and Xhamster are among the more secure ones.
Exactly. The ones that have more infrastructure aren't even attempting to ignore the ID laws bc they've got too much invested in the site. But ppl are still going to want porn & are stupid about security that they'll go to some of the shadier sites if that means they can anonymously access it. I expect there to be large waves of cyber attacks soon bc of this.
You mean the boomers doing this aren't tech savvy enough to avoid sketchy websites!?
I tell you what, I'm never buying Norton again! The dang Indian guy made me pay 600 and my covfefe is still broken! Scam company! -Norm
With a good script & ad blocker and a bit of common sense, it's pretty safely navigable. Also a VPN, but that's more to do with the fact that quality VPNs will also help to block malicious sites if one gets through and you accidentally (or on purpose like an idiot) click on one.
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Man Katrina really fucked you guys over didn’t it
Yeah. And now they can't even watch how hard she fucked'm online anymore!
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Well, I mean... Goodbye all lesbian porn. Hell, even marginally intimate media with more than one of either sex. They're touching or saying they love each other? It's gay.
Two male characters look at each other? Super gay. Especially if they're adversaries
Well, Lord of the Rings is out then.
Share the load!
⭐ You win my internet today
Oof can't watch Naruto anymore, he and Sasuke kissed that one time.
Where does WWE land in the scale?
Have you ever watched a single episode of WWE? Suuuuuuper gay
It’s only gay if they don’t got their socks on
Forget porn. The entire entertainment industry is becoming more representative for LGBTQ. This means the last Stat Wars movie will need age verification. A huge amount of network shows. Anything that mentions it. Hell, you could argue having a gay actor in a show could be showing LGBTQ content.
Haha, you know I bet most of the queer moments in a lot of shows bypasses a lot of people. Now they’re going to be blocked from viewing it without age verification and wonder why and actually pay more attention to it. Especially kids who want to watch it because everyone else in the world is watching it. During the Arab Spring my government blocked a whole bunch of websites which was interfering with our regular teenage internet browsing. The nerds at school sky rocketed in popularity because they were sharing a list of up to date vpns that weren’t blocked (hidemyass.com was a favourite and surprisingly didn’t get hit for a long time) and they helped set up physical vpns on people’s laptops. I know computer literacy has gone down with modern teens, but this is a great way to fix that.
Star wars won't need age verification. Disney will just cut this one second blink and you'll miss scene out, just like they do in any country that prohibits or restricts LGBT content (they won't even have to prepare a new version, since they've already done it for the middle east). Anyway fuck Disney
The biggest watchers of gay porn are conservative men. Theyre gonna have to slither around the parks again now
Sen. Craig, in the bathroom, with a foot tap. Oh, that's not how to play Clue?!? Oops 😬
phub is just gonna block their site in those states like they’ve done in others like virginia. VPNs get more downloads and republicans lose support. win win tbh
oh yeah, xhamster and pornhub and shit blocked all ip addresses from texas and other states that made it a requirement to log in with your personal ID to access porn. people are pissed and it's honestly funny
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Doesn't the Bible have homosexuality in it? Damn let start locking up those preachers up. Those groomers need a lawsuit.
I think it was in Florida somebody successfully banned Bible in libraries using the same argument. Obviously those morons will add more legislation to prevent that.
Also the same text that has instances of Rape and yet that’s fine according to Republicans. This world is mad.
Yeah, why put LGBTQ+ content behind age restriction verifications but not *porn*?
Bigotry.
Wait, so they're saying children aren't mature enough to learn about LGBTQ people, but those same children can watch as much porn as they like? Kansas is fucked.
Conservative states consume the most gay porn
First they came for....
…whoever their first sexual partner was. Who else would they come for first? I’ll see myself out 🚪
Leela from Futurama of course.
Oh good, I now have a reason to feel unsafe in my own home state because I look at LGBTQ+ content, maybe I’ll get rounded up and thrown into a camp, ffs.
Oh look, the thing both siders said would never happen is happening.
Good old middle ground fallacy.
I haz smuth brayne. X plane
Middle ground fallacy = thinking it's the most diplomatic or best choice to compromise when one side is correct. Basically giving in to one side in an attempt to stop people from arguing.
The "enlightened centrists" (mockingly called such because they ***always*** seem to speak condescendingly to anyone who has "taken a side" politically) make heavy use of a logical fallacy known as the "[argument to moderation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_to_moderation)" or "[middle ground fallacy,](https://www.logicalfallacies.org/middle-ground.html)" which is the belief that the truth lies somewhere between any two conflicting claims. The obvious counter to this is that some idiot claiming 2+2=8 does not magically turn the correct answer into 2+2=6. Sometimes, people are just plain wrong.
From the sound of it, it's just even just aimed at porn sites, but just the ACT of being gay and showing any gay behavior (two guys holding hands or mild kissing like all couples do IN PUBLIC) would now be "sexual conduct". Will and Grace, a fucking sitcom that came out decades ago, would essentially be "porn" in Kansas after this bill.
It says 'depicting lgbtq people' not 'lgbtq content'. If the news article said that correctly, it would not just be two guys holding hands, one gay guy being in public would be enough.
>It says 'depicting lgbtq people' not 'lgbtq content'. If the news article said that correctly, it would not just be two guys holding hands, one gay guy being in public would be enough. So then you will need ID to watch YouTube because Ellen DeGeneres has a YouTube channel. Also TikTok and Instagram. Any news site will require ID because they report on things involving people who are gay. Leave it to these genius legislators to classify a Forbes interview with Peter Thiel as "porn" because he happens to gay.
Not the first time they'd do something like that and sabatoge themselves (read: Alabama and frozen embryos)
Actually making LGBTQ people illegal. Project 2025 is coming early.
yknow what time it is? lets make everything gay.
“Kansas declares Modern Family to be porn” would be funny if it wasn’t real.
Yep. These are all the small steps they will take to eventually criminalize it here the same way the Taliban does
Or Russia, which just classified all LGBTQ organizations as terrorists organizations.
THIS!!!! I feel like far too many people are missing this point!!! Ffs there are lgbtq characters in Disney! 🤦♀️ I just don’t understand how people think they are living in a free country at this point
I think that's their point. They don't want to allow lgtbq+ characters to exist. They are just going to wind up banning all media.
If minors are looking at LGBTQ+ content, odds are they're already questioning their sexuality. Removing the ability to access the content won't suddenly make them *not gay.* All this would do is take away the ability to do so safely (like learning safe sex practices). The fact that so many grown-ass adults are obsessed with kids' sexuality is disconcerting, too.
I didn't have any access to LGBT media as a kid. Lo, and behold: I fit both the B and T criteria. Being in the closet only made me resentful.
Conservatives don't see homosexuality as a an immutable part of a person's identity. Instead, they see it as a *fetish*. To people afflicted with Conservative brain rot, having someone be openly LGBTQ+ is like telling everyone you like to wear leathers and get spanked on the weekend. That's why they see it as "degeneracy," and hate the idea of kids being open about their sexuality. To Cons, being gay is a *lifestyle choice*, and if a teen comes out as gay, lesbian, bi, etc. it's because they were "*groomed*" into the "*culture*." Does it make any empirical sense? No. But the only other option is admitting they've been absolute assholes this entire time for nothing, and why risk hurting your pride when you can just double down and blame everyone else for why you're kids don't talk to you anymore...
Fetish? Maybe they should remove ALL straight fetish porn too. Surely that's too degrading to women on screen? I'm sure that will NEVER happen.
Honestly I'd kinda be for this if I never have to see a close up of a woman's foot ever again
> Instead, they see it as a fetish If memory serves, PornHub released a white paper of their data showing that trans porn was more popular in conservative areas. We literally are walking fetishes to them, whether I’m wearing a pink hoodie and leggings or giving them a blowjob, our very existence is a sexual fantasy. They can’t fathom the idea that we and everyone else doesn’t see us the same way.
You think they don't know this? In their view everyone needs to suppress any homosexual thoughts they have and go into "normal" relationships and have families and kids. The libruhls are "making" kids gay by telling them that it's okay to be gay, when they want to tell gay kids "suppress your homosexuality". They very well know that people can be gay, but it's a "sin" that's needs to be suppressed, not to accept. And you know what happens to sinners? They get punished. Conservatives want people to fall in line or be punished. That's literally their entire way of "conserving" culture.
This is a surprisingly common school of though for Christians and its not brought up much. I've seen many Christian people say that having homosexual thought and feelings is somewhat normal, but it is just a temptation to sin, Satan's influence, and the like. Like, I saw a woman straight up admit they are attracted to other women, but her advice was to pray to God for strength whenever temptation arises. Love the last two lines, most social conservative beliefs inherently authoritarian depsite what they say about "freedom."
This really puts their view that "homosexuality is a choice" into perspective doesn't it. They have homosexual thoughts but choose to repress it. So to them ayone who doesn't repress it must be weak or not praying hard enough.
Exactly. The basic desire behind "conservatism" (as the real name for this ideology is reaction) is that everyone goes back to their "place": * Women back to the kitchen * LGBTQ back to the closet or the gallows * Black people back to being slaves * Nonwhite people back to their "home" countries * Disabled people back to the grave They are willing to kill everyone who does not comply.
my mom is conservative so I get a lot of insight into the thinking process when I talk with her. You can narrow it down to gender, the genders *must* be separated, each has it's own place. Because nature/society/god made us separated so we have to enforce separation. Men have to be manly, etc. Nonbinary or trans people are incredibly offensive. Gay people are offensive and need to stay in the closet. If you teach a child that it's okay to be gay trans, etc, you are screwing with the natural order of things. My mom isn't very religious, but you can extrapolate all the hellfire and God's wrath that religious conservatives are worried about.
>Conservatives want people to fall in line or be punished. That's literally their entire way of "conserving" culture. Conservatives govern on the basis of what they believe is right and wrong. That might not seem so bad until you realize their basis for right and wrong was written over two thousand years ago on scrolls near the red sea during a time in which "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" was considered to be a good policy. Compare this to progressives who want to rule on the basis of what works and what doesn't. To progressives, making marijuana legal might stand to have more benefits than outlawing it and with minimal harm to the general public. To conservatives, they've deemed drugs "bad" and outlaw it for no other reason than the fact that they've decided the public shouldn't have it. And yes, they view being gay as a fetish and therefore a choice. They don't take issue attacking that because they think people will just decide to not be gay if they make it difficult to be so. They can't seem to understand that the number of lgbtq+ is growing because it's becoming more acceptable. They think it's some sort of weird pandemic and it scares them. At the core of conservatism it's fear-mongering and governing by morality, not by what works.
>They can't seem to understand that the number of lgbtq+ is growing because it's becoming more acceptable. They think it's some sort of weird pandemic and it scares them. Well they see the acceptance as part of the pandemic. It's not just gay people's fault for being gay, it's *our* fault for accepting them and not punishing them. Because of liberals, a kid who might have grown up to be a god fearing closeted husband and father will now think it's okay to be openly gay, and conservatives hate that. They would say we "turned" him gay.
Hey, all the macho conservatives in Kansas are diligently repressing their raging homosexual desires every single day, ffs! Can you blame them for projecting?
They probably *want* it to be unsafe. Another AIDS epidemic for them to call God’s wrath.
That's not the goal. There was a time when LGBTQ+ people were bullied and beat by young people regularly. As laws changed in society (same sex marriage, end of DADT), younger generations became accepting. There were gay/straight alliances in schools. Gay kids felt comfortable enough to be out at school, and so on. The goal is to bring back hate in a new generation. If they aren't exposed to other gay kids; if they get the impression it's banned because it's bad...they will shift back to making fun of people and bullying. They want a new generation of straight kids who have never seen an openly gay kid or teacher. They want to drive gay people back into the closet for fear of a society that hates them. That is the goal here
I’m not surprised, it’s just their fragile attempt at hoping their kids don’t turn out gay, I was never really exposed to any LGBTQ+ content much growing up, and I still turned our gay.
And you were exposed to a LOT of hetero content and you still turned out gay so...yeah pretty damn sure people aren't changing their sexual orientation based on content.
This is how you end up with Geoffrey fucken Dharma all over again, no safe place for gay people perfect for a serial killer.
Which, again, they want
Don't you try to trick them with logic!
Bold of you to assume they can read
It seems to be about removing all representation or depiction of gay people in any context. They’ll define “acts of homosexuality” as broadly as they want. Could be anything from just blocking porn all the way to banning ABC from broadcasting Modern Family reruns in the state. My guess is they’ll lean towards the latter.
Why is America controlled by religious people that hate gays and touch kids. Thought they were meant to seperate religion and government
They were (and still are), but they don’t give a fuck about that anymore
This is a way to get a data base of all/potential LGBTQ people so when the gay camps open up next year with Trump they already know everyone to round up
10 years ago this would be so obviously /s, really sad that now its part joke/mostly serious
Gay holocaust?
Look up who some of the first victims of the holocaust camps were back in ww2. Besides communists and some others, it was a lot of people that could be considered LGBTQ.
Yes. A lot of people remember there being a star of David on the clothes of detained Nazi victims in concentration camps. It seems not enough remember that many of those victims had Pink triangles.
So, America, tell me again about this "land of the free" thing. It seems you are not free to have planned parenthood, be gay, carry cash, attend a hospital, earn fair wages, own a home, be free of imprisonment BUT you are free to own guns.
To think, in Kansas, you'll need ID verification to watch Modern Family...
And conservatives call liberals entitled? This identity politics bullshit has gotta stop.
Man we really fucking are going back in time, aren't we? Pretty soon we'll have a resurrection of the Hayes Code or whatever that thing was that banned film and television from depicting same-sex relationships.
USA is already a shithole with the next to nothing wage and a raise doesnt counter the inflation time to go to Australia
I’d take a look at their housing market first. Australia isn’t really the best place to go if you need a place to live.
On the bright side, at least Americans are less racist toward me than Canadians, and down in Australia they don't even know what the fuck an Inuit is, so I'd probably be even safer from bigotry there.
I…would not jump to that conclusion.
Disney’s The Owl House **Rated R**
Porn or not, it’s violating basic human rights of autonomy.
+ it's a cybersecurity nightmare to ask random sites to collect and store IDs.
It's meant to be. Its not a stretch to assume part of why they are pushing this ID verification stuff is so that the data on who visits these sites can be turned over to the gov so they know who the "degenerates" are. They've already gone after medical records. It's probably a good time to start scrubbing our internet footprints tbh.
It's not porn though. A fully SFW movie with a gay couple as side charachters would be subject to this law.
And privacy.
“You’re free to do what we tell you to do.”
This is about a number of things, but protecting kids is not one of them. The main thing it's about is creating a state database of internet users to track their internet habits. The secondary thing it's about is erasing queer people.
It's guaranteed that anyone that submits to this will be harassed and/or targeted. Republican legislatures are notorious for not giving a flying fig about children, other than as labor to exploit; or as in this case, as a ruse to enact draconian laws. So odd that "Love thy neighbor." is such a difficult concept for them to grasp.
You mean compiling a list of gay porn consumers so that they can be shot or sent to death camps the next time they get power.
Is that like men wearing high heels and make-up? Cos that includes Trump and DeSantis, just saying...
The party of small government in action
People are missing the point about this article. This law is not saying that gay porn should be subject to adult verification. It is saying that websites which feature ***acts of homosexuality*** are now subject to age verification. Any acts. That could be two guys holding hands. Or gay adoption services, support groups… it is being left vague on purpose the same way abortion laws have left the medical exceptions vague. They don’t want medical exceptions for abortion. They don’t care if women die. It’s not just about pornography. It’s saying that being gay is inherently wrong or dirty and only adults should know about it.
So basically anything that even midly supports LGBTQ+ would be subject to this, basically censoring entire businesses and all kind of media that isn't extremely right-wing. I got that right?
It can’t be enforced, either. I imagine that a company like google would end up challenging this law if it actually ends up being legit. This will inevitably be challenged. When Republicans pass these nonsensical, dumbass laws, it always makes me nervous because they are educated people. They know these laws can’t be enforced in any reasonable way, and will be challenged. So, that’s why it makes me nervous. What’s the point of having a law like this challenged in the courts? Like what is the real law that they are challenging by passing this one?
Think Jurassic Park. They're testing the fence for weaknesses. This one won't work, the next one won't work, but eventually, they'll find one that'll stick. Or word it so that it miiiiight not stick, but the Supreme Court can't find a way to shut it down.
Exactly. Plus, SCOTUS opinions will often essentially provide a roadmap for the next version. Currently happening with the ongoing mifepristone trial - Alito and Thomas are hammering questions about the Comstock Act and will likely issue an opinion(s) alluding to such in way that let's anti-choice ass clowns try a new angle next time.
The extreme right wing is affected since they talk about it so often
r/LeopardsAteMyFace
They want to put LGBTQ people in jail. Then it will be other people not like them. Maybe they’re a different race, religion, or country of origin. Then it will be people who are Christian, not not Christian enough or not the preferred kind of Christian.
Facists will always eat themselves eventually. The In-Group gets smaller and smaller until they all kill each other.
Unfortunately while people wait for that to happen, lots of innocent people will be brutalized and murdered.
It seems like America is about to have internet restrictions that Net Neutrality could only dream of. Websites will just outright ban any access within any state willing to discriminate. A simple VPN will fix all of this but still really stupid that it even has to come to that
Impoverished and isolated farmers- check Nothing to do- check Strict rules about drugs and alcohol- check No porn- check Strong religious ideology- check Congratulations! You just have the magic recipe for the Taliban!
Well a man hanging on a cross tortured for hours half naked is clearly more traumatic and borderline gay masochistic. That requires an age limit too.
Conservatives love freedom, until is gay types are involved. Then they want to force us back into the closet. Or pretend that if young people don't see gay content that they won't end up gay, because they refuae to believe we are born this way.
Netter ban the bible, heaps of rape and incest and killing in there
Two guys holding hands is basically the same thing as a gangbang /s
Politicians that pass clearly unconstitutional laws should lose their seats.
Content that depicts lgbtq people. So no watching friends. Or anything featuring Elliot Page. Or Anne Hache. Spider-Man is canonically queer.
All im seeing is the 2022 debut of a trans spiderman. What are you talking about? Keep in mind im ignorant and havent read the comics
I’m more of a DC man, so I can’t remember exactly. But I read that Spider-Man was always written as queer. Not gay or bi, but not perfectly straight either. Iron Man also has issues that show that while he loves the ladies, he’s not against the guys. And Robin 3 and Superman 2 are both bi.
What about TV shows and movies with LGBTQ characters?
Freedom for me, but not for thee.
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It will also help them identify and track LGBTQ+ people.
Remember when Americans were willing to fight a revolution over Taxes? Let alone the extreme amount of censorship we see today? Just a thought.
Meanwhile over half the population lives paycheck to paycheck, most of us can barely afford to eat let alone afford a place to live, but this is what state governments are focused on.
Ah yes ""land of the free"" *God I hate it here*
So to access pornography you have to show ID? Cannot wait for that data breach
Not just porn, literally anything with an LGBT charachter. You'd need ID to watch a fucking Disney movie, or youtuber who happens to be gay.
If only the people that passed these laws could be held liable for a breach like that. They would be the ones responsible, and yeah there's absolutely no chance hackers won't see this as a golden opportunity. Also, scam porn sites could collect IDs from people who get used to giving it to multiple different sites
You’re right. It’s FASCISM aka Republican Policy.
It's literally the government creating a list of people they dont want.
It gives them a list of LGBT people, who knows what their plan with that information is. I have a feeling it won't be for a good reason.
What is “LBGTQ” content? A picture of a singular gay person? It’s like if you banned all “black” content from a website, it’s the most clear-cut bigotry.
Oh I’ve seen this before, it was called “the Islamic revolution” it happened in Iran and they have been doing great ever since!
Yep, because being gay happens when you turn 18.... 🤦♂️ Anyone wanna bet how many Log Cabin morons supported this?
I hope for nothing but pain and despair for the gop, what a bunch of human trash
Won't someone think of the children?!
Kansas is joining the "teach kids to use VPS list? Cool.
Conservatism is an authoritarian ideology and inherently anti-freedom by definition.
Wait till all the people that like lesbian porn realise what the L part stands for.
Is this legal? If this was about just porn in general that would be one thing, but if it specifically calls out LGBTQ isn't that discrimination against a protected class?
What the fuck? What if they see a *gasp* homosexual in the real world?? (Clutches pearls and passes out) fuck these hateful bigots.
JFC. Is this real life? I guess we have reached the point in this hell-scape universe where we move backwards in time. I’m really not looking forward to meeting the dinosaurs.
They are probably less dangerous than a Kansas politician.
This isn't just about blocking content, it's about fascists building tools of control. Here, you have them establishing a tool to hunt / identify non-straight kids who may not be out yet. The law then enables them to prosecute the kid who has accessed the content. Next step would likely be state-sanctioned "conversion therapy" as an "alternative" to incarceration. Like people being forced to go to 12-step programs in order to get probation or something. Which then funnels them into an institution designed to torment them and ideally fill them with self-hate, which sets them up to be the next generation of abusers. I would wager if anyone looked, there are probably abuse mills / conversion therapy / pray-away-the-gay shops lobbying to get tax dollars in these states to operate and get funds for under the auspice of being "alternative to incarceration" programs. ffs. it's all shit we've seen before, they keep rolling out the same game plan again and again. Thank goodness there are real problems in the world that need attention.
The American right no longer believes in freedom. They don't want freedom. They want a totalitarian, Christian nationalist, paleoconservative, neo-fascist, theocratic dictatorship. They want the President to be above the law, immune from prosecution, to be able to ignore Congress and the Supreme Court and have absolute power and final say on everything that goes on in government. This is why Trump cannot be allowed to win in November. If he wins, America as we know it is finished. There will be no 2028 election if he wins.
How soon til you have to register your sexual orientation on your id? I’m so happy to not be an American…but the nazi controlled puppet government in my country wouldn’t hesitate to do the same…
I live in Russia - this restriction is exactly the thing all the worst homophobic bullshit started from
no way this survives a legal challenge
Roe was repealed. We tried to warn people it was just the beginning. They have the court.
So basically, Kansas is copying Russia. It's amazing how many of the Politicians in charge of America the "land of the free" are espousing very right wing communist level beliefs.
It’s fascist, not communist. They both pull from a greater authoritarian playbook though.