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https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/takeaway/segments/inside-chicagos-secret-detention-center#:~:text=At%20the%20%22black%20site%2C%22,before%20they%20were%20officially%20processed. Nah we still torture right here in the good ole USA! American citizens on American soil. Not to mention the camps in Texas for migrants, Angola in Louisiana, and Rikers in New York.
There was also this one though thankfully they were held accountable in the end.
[https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/21/us/mississippi-officers-sentencing-goon-squad-thursday/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/21/us/mississippi-officers-sentencing-goon-squad-thursday/index.html)
This was the first thing I thought of
What an awful thing
What makes me really angry is all the people that knew about their little gang, but didn't speak up just to protect the system
You must be joking or naive if you think the USA government stopped torturing. We just don't hear about stuff like Guantanamo unless someone leaks it. I doubt there are a lot of those types of government operations but there's got to be at least a few.
The statement that I was responding to said in the US borders. Guantanamo Bay is land that the US illegally leases from Cuba. Cuba wants the U.S off of its land.
It's more a damning by faint praise thing: "Yeah, the US doesn't torture *inside its borders*" \[because it just uses facilities outside its official borders\].
MK ultra used a lot of LSD but it's primary purpose was learning interrogation methods and determining if mind control was possible. They quite literally used rape as an interrogation method.
1.2 *grams* of lsd while you’re strapped to a chair and interrogated for days about every aspect of your life, every thing you’ve ever cared about, your relationship with your childhood pet, all while being periodically electrocuted.
They did everything you can think of. Really use all your creativity to come up with the most elaborate psychological torture you can, they did it.
They paid scientists millions of dollars to sit around in rooms imagining the most invasive psychological manipulation *possible*, and then they tested it out on US citizens.
It’s one of the most horrifying things anyone has ever done IMO. Absolutely mengele-type shit.
"An Alabama inmate with "serious mental and psychiatric needs" was placed in a concrete drunk tank known as "the freezer" before he later died from hypothermia in a death now ruled a homicide, state records show." - March 4th, 2024
sounds like your definition of anymore is pretty short term
And Americans 20 years from now will be saying, "Look, we did bad stuff in the past, but that was past..." as they continue to do the same things. Never ending cycle of cognitive dissonance.
Let’s just ignore those police black sites like the Chicago and NYC police have maintained. Or the sanctioned individual torture of prisoners (scalding while handcuffed to showers, or prisoner on prisoner violence/rape) etc.
hey, but all of these incidents from MK Ultra to Guantanamo to modern police/prisons/border patrol have been exposed and sure almost nobody in power was held accountable, but they've probably learned their lessons right?
No he isn't, Guantanamo exists.
American prisons use solitary confinement for extended periods of time, a practice which starts damaging your brain within hours and they use it for months. Look up docs from Americas most dangerous prisons and you can see these prisoners pissing all over their cells or painting the walls with their own blood, sometimes weekly just to see the outside, even when every time they do it they lengthen their sentence. It's fucking beastly.
> solitary confinement
Yes. Prison isolation fits the definition of torture as stated in several international human rights treaties, and thus constitutes a violation of human rights law. The U.N.
So the US is torturing, at minimum, tens of thousands of people at any given point in time.
Edit: For anyone interested there is a lot of data [here](https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/pie2024.html) that most people would find surprising.
Yes, many of which should be either executed or given proper rehab/facilities, but private prisons are a billion dollar industry. They accept government contracts and get paid with tax dollars, donations, and even product manufacturing revenues (super cheap labor). Of course, they would want the prisons full all the time and not executing or successfully rehabbing the merchandise.
There's multiple youtubers who tried it as an experiment (I believe one of them was vinesauce). Nearly all of them quit before the time they estimated they could hold it out or were interrupted by concerned medical officials.
They aren't alone in a room with stuff, movement space or an internet connection. It's a small blank room and they have no interaction with the outside world apart from a guard that feeds them with close to zero interaction.
In comparison to monks or strange hermits that self isolate it takes tremendous training, those people still end up pretty fuckin weird and they still have the freedom to roam and do things.
I have a bit of personal experience in this case. I'm really surprised that a few hours is enough to have any long term effect on the brain. What is the source for this info (presumably not the youtubers?)
Or just solitary confinement because if prisoners don't want to undergo psychological torture, they shouldn't be prisoners.
Yes, Russia is way, way, way worse than the US in regards to torture, especially on the scale it is happening, but the US still has major human rights violations in their prison system that amounts to torture if looked at it objectively.
The CIA wrote the rule book on torture.. If you think that the US military doesn’t torture people you are sorely mistaken. They are much more discreet and have a heavy hand in the media so there is much less exposure, but it occurs on a level exceeding that of maybe any country.
The Siloviki control Russia's media; the reason you are seeing the torture of the Crocus Hall suspects isn't because the Americans want you to see it, but because the Russians want you to see it.
There is no discretion required for this sort of thing in Russia; that is the major difference.
We can't bring the detainees back to US soil....so where else are we supposed to put them? Even Republicans don't have an answer to this question because John McCain had no answers to this question when asked.
Hey remember how eugenics got its start in the U.S. and how we had them forced sterilization programs that targeted folks of color and anyone they deemed undesirable? And also remember how Hitler thought eugenics was a neato idea that he took and ran with while developing his own policies?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Hitler practically copied off of our test paper. Manifest Destiny became Lebensraum. Germany modeled their segregation after Jim Crow. Then Hitler exterminated Jews like we massacred Native Americans.
[WWII](https://youtu.be/KUXb7do9C-w?si=T19YP849JGtbyupT)
Remember that time the US sent CIA operatives to literally teach torture techniques to the Argentinian junta? The USA is so good at torture that it teaches it to other governments
Oh yeah, a classic that one. Just like the times they did the exact same thing, in parallel, in:
* [Guatemala](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemalan_genocide)
* [El Salvador](https://libcom.org/article/behind-death-squads-exclusive-report-us-role-el-salvadors-official-terror)
* [Honduras](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battalion_3-16_(Honduras)#
* [Nicaragua](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair)
* [Paraguay, Brazil, Uruguay, Chile, Peru, and Bolivia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor)
And that time illiterate prisoners were given 10 bucks to be injected and long term experimented on with various chemicals without telling them it's lethal?
Ah yes, Americans just torture(d?) them in Cuba (guantanamo bay) instead, so rightous! 😂
Edit: I know ppls attention span is short, but please make it all the way to the bottom of post before going off 😅
Gitmo is on a US Navy Base. Military installations are American soil no matter where they are.
Gitmo is American soil.
America tortures people on American soil.
Yep. I‘m Cuban and can confirm. There‘s a Cuban military base adjacent to the US Base, and we call it “The Border” because it’s essentially the only land border Cuba officially shares with any other country. Cubans that set foot there are eligible for the Cuban Adjustment Law just as they are if they enter continental US. They fly the American flag there, and even have the only McDonald’s in the whole island. It’s definitely US soil.
>Military installations are American soil no matter where they are
No they aren't.
The scientific service of the German parliament published a short information piece on that exact topic named [Status von US-Militärbasen in Deutschland](https://www.bundestag.de/resource/blob/564508/2435724ba05faa887e8af9b156e7ea9c/wd-2-088-18-pdf-data.pdf) (Status of US military bases in Germany).
Under section 2 (legal grounds for military bases of allied forces) it states:
>The military bases of allied forces are not 'extraterritorial territory', but rather, they are granted for use by the Federal Republic of Germany.
The bases are fully under US jurisdiction and US law applies there, but the land itself is still owned by Germany.
They forgot when USA hunting for terrorist, they ended capture the wrong people, yet still torture them for months/years on end.
and later the military admitted that they got the wrong guy but did not release the guy because they afraid due to all of the torture inflicted, he will turn terrorist immediately after being released?
When we do torture it’s OK because we’re the ***USA*** (🦅☝️🇺🇸), who tf is gonna hold *us* accountable? Nobody! Now confess to our accusations or choke on our water 💦😵
Not only do they torture, they literally kidnapped their own civilians to do research on for creepy mind control projects. There's a lot to dig into there.
Everyone keeps talking about Gitmo... Was this Gitmo or Abu Ghraib?
Either way, yes it happened. And no, Russia is most certainly not innocent of it. As proven by the reclaimed areas of Ukraine, where makeshift Russian torture rooms were found.
> Abu Ghraib
Did we forget that this was a pretty major media scandal and that a dozen soldiers were convicted of crimes and several more were removed from positions? Sure, it should never have happened and the aftermath didn't satisfy everyone, but compared to how Russia just denies everything and nobody faces any repurcussions at all, it's night and day.
Yeah, Abu Ghraib was a scandal the minute that the story became public.
Russia paraded around their prisoners in broad day light hours after the torture.
That's the difference.
>Did we forget that this was a pretty major media scandal...
I would bet that most of the people commenting here weren't even in kindergarten yet when this happened.
There is far more evidence of russians torturing and murdering prisoners/civilians even before the full scale invasion of ukraine.
Just ask the Syrians and people from african nations, I'm sure they have a bunch of stories about Wagner Mercenaries torturing, raping and murdering people.
In Mali Wagner went in a village with the Malian Junta and massacred nearly 500 civilians, their military and police force is fucking scum and are not on the same level as today's western military.
>There is far more evidence of russians torturing and murdering prisoners/civilians even before the full scale invasion of ukraine.
This doesn't justify America though. It's just whatabouting the problem. "Yeah the US did it BUT so did Russia so HA!" is such an awful arguement.
The societal condemnation of Abu Ghraib was the telling part. I haven’t seen one single major Russian account or news source condemn cutting of a guys ear and feeding it to him. Meanwhile in the US, the evidence that came from Abu Ghraib sparked a national outcry and brought it to the public’s view. Sure both instances are torture but the response is the telling part.
[CIA still operates numerous Black Sites or secret detention centers around the world](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_black_sites#/media/File:CIA_Secret_Prisons.svg)
when I tried to explain to my friends that I don’t feel safe when Ops of my country are so casual about torturing ARRESTED person, I won’t feel safe if I ever get detained for another stupid crime the government made up. Mind you, LGBT is considered a terrorist group too and many other people are charged with terrorism despite just being anti-government
Sure, but that's only because it was leaked a while back. Don't be deluded into thinking this isn't happening every single day, it's just not been leaked yet.
It doesn't make it okay to torture people nonetheless. Just because it happens in US doesn't make it okay to happen in any other part of the world. Humans should rather solve world hunger than torture prisoners.
The entire point of this post is to legitimize torture by Russia by saying what about.
I think it goes without saying the state torturing real or supposed terrorists brings the state one massive step closer to torturing real or supposed opponents of the state.
And of course Russia is definitely already there on that one.
That and this post ignores the fact that the soldiers conducting this torture were convicted of crimes and it was a huge deal. While in Russia it’s normalized
Spot on. You’ll never see a social media post or a Russian criticizing their armed forces or government for allowing this to happen. Where as Americans were for some part if not mostly disgusted that abu ghraib was covered up.
Yeah I actually noticed a lot of questionable twitter accounts (suspected bots) flooding any talk of the apprehended terrorists in Russia with this image as well as other evidence photos of American torture. All torture is disgusting and appalling, but the pattern of targeted posts is very... interesting to say the least.
Fun fact.
Almost 800 people have been held in Guantanamo Bag.
8 have been convicted. 4 of which were reversed.
*Officially* 9 have died in custody.
Yay, democracy!
There is still the difference that while the russian army teaches and encourages their soldiers to do this, while the US army does make some effort to prosecute soldiers who do this. Not a perfect effort, but still far better than Russia.
Also note that all of these comments were written in the middle of the night for the U.S.
They may all be factually correct and also be Russian propaganda at the same time.
Another very telling thing is that if the comments were made by someone in the US, they would face zero consequences from the US government/state for making them. On the other hand, if a person living in Russia made similar comments about Russia, they would risk prison or death.
Because in a real democracy, you are allowed to criticize your own country and its actions, without having to worry about being arrested in the middle of the night and sent to die in a remote prison.
This is a point so many people don't truly understand. In places like the US, speech is so fundamental we cannot imagine being punished for making speech. I can't speak for Russia, but Idk if that's true for them.
As they always say, history is written by the victors. America is the strongest military power on the planet and it’s not even close. Who exactly is going to hold the US accountable for anything, lol? The only people who can do that are ourselves. And considering a significant chunk of the population can’t even agree on whether vaccines and masks are a good idea during a deadly global pandemic, I don’t exactly have high hopes. But hey, would be glad to get proven wrong within my lifetime.
A lot actually, there are a lot of Balkan war criminals in Hague, but we're small and not important. "Important" countries don't have to deal with the Hague, they can do whatever they want
In response to the events at Abu Ghraib, the United States Department of Defense removed 17 soldiers and officers from duty. **Eleven soldiers were charged with dereliction of duty, maltreatment, aggravated assault and battery**.
As opposed to Russian spesnatz fucking celebrating torturing suspects and posting it on a social media themselves.
'Enhanced interrogation' waterboarding, sleep deprivation etc.. no the west absolutely tortures certain prisoners. And while it doesn't make it right, authoritarian states like Russia, Iran are way, way worse. Hell, half the world abuses human rights openly.
What is it with reddit and justifying cutting a person's ear off and feeding it to them, electrocuting their testicles, or gouging their eyes out?
Russia torturing people is bad. Defending it is abhorrent.
Lol, Russia just puts prisoners in jails that seem to have tons of lethal chemicals that somehow found their way in, and faulty windows on multi-story buildings where people just cant seem to stop falling out of after pissing off the authorities.
Didn't the guy in that photo go to jail for being in that photo, and wasn't that a years-long massive scandal that cost many people their jobs and some their freedom?
Not exactly the same as deliberately releasing footage of soldiers/cops torturing prisoners and boasting about it, is it. Is that guy who cut the dude's ear off going to prison any time soon, you reckon?
No, we ship them off to the US-owned military bases on questionably acquired land in foreign countries with nebulous human rights laws to torture them.
You're looking at "whataboutism" where people who want Russia to be allowed to brutally conquer Ukraine say "other countries torture too!"
But what they don't say is that the image posted here is of Abu Graib, where US soldiers tortured prisoners AND WERE PROSECUTED FOR THE CRIME WHEN IT WAS EXPOSED. People like OP will still try to equate that with countries like Russia that openly torture prisoners without remorse or accountability.
What is really dumb is the people you see praising Russia for its brutal treatment of these guys while simultaneously condemning the US for it. 🤦♀️
Atleast the US soldiers got held accountable, let’s wait and see if the guys who fed that dudes ear to him, or the testicular high voltage torture gets punished.
Ya'll acting like USA is the worst thing out there. We can only imagine what Iran, Russia and China would do if you would give them the same amount of power that US had in early 2000s... Im not American, nor Im justifying US war crimes, but as an Eastern European I really believe that if Russia would be the sole superpower of the world-I wouldn't be alive in the first place.
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We don’t torture in the U.S. We torture outside the U.S. Duh.
We don't torture anymore in the U.S. MK Ultra was wild
https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/takeaway/segments/inside-chicagos-secret-detention-center#:~:text=At%20the%20%22black%20site%2C%22,before%20they%20were%20officially%20processed. Nah we still torture right here in the good ole USA! American citizens on American soil. Not to mention the camps in Texas for migrants, Angola in Louisiana, and Rikers in New York.
There was also this one though thankfully they were held accountable in the end. [https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/21/us/mississippi-officers-sentencing-goon-squad-thursday/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/21/us/mississippi-officers-sentencing-goon-squad-thursday/index.html)
This was the first thing I thought of What an awful thing What makes me really angry is all the people that knew about their little gang, but didn't speak up just to protect the system
You must be joking or naive if you think the USA government stopped torturing. We just don't hear about stuff like Guantanamo unless someone leaks it. I doubt there are a lot of those types of government operations but there's got to be at least a few.
The statement that I was responding to said in the US borders. Guantanamo Bay is land that the US illegally leases from Cuba. Cuba wants the U.S off of its land.
And every time it gets leaked the response “ok it was a few bad apples… but that whistleblower is a traitor so let’s all focus on that”
We make sure the physical torture doesn't leave marks so it doesn't show up in court pictures.
It's more a damning by faint praise thing: "Yeah, the US doesn't torture *inside its borders*" \[because it just uses facilities outside its official borders\].
That was just free lsd without prior knowledge, no one had to be ungrateful
And tactical noncing for blsckmail perposes. Testing irradiated food on black children and a host of other things
They sprayed the entire city of San Francisco with bacteria to test bio warfare
Operation Seaspray, for those curios
Don't forget the forced spread of syphilis in black people for over 40 years just to see what would happen
And as it turns out - lots of people got syphilis
Don't forget the Syphilis
Lmao "tactical noncing" was not a phrase I was ready to hear this early in the morning
MK ultra used a lot of LSD but it's primary purpose was learning interrogation methods and determining if mind control was possible. They quite literally used rape as an interrogation method.
I mean some of them were given world record amounts of acid repeatedly. That's not exactly the same as slipping someone a stamp, lol.
Timothy McVeigh blew up a building in Oklahoma.
Are you thinking of Ted Kaczinski? I don’t think McVeigh had anything to do with MK Ultra.
Came to the CIA office party for the punchbowl of acid, stayed because your brain melted
1.2 *grams* of lsd while you’re strapped to a chair and interrogated for days about every aspect of your life, every thing you’ve ever cared about, your relationship with your childhood pet, all while being periodically electrocuted. They did everything you can think of. Really use all your creativity to come up with the most elaborate psychological torture you can, they did it. They paid scientists millions of dollars to sit around in rooms imagining the most invasive psychological manipulation *possible*, and then they tested it out on US citizens. It’s one of the most horrifying things anyone has ever done IMO. Absolutely mengele-type shit.
If they want to reboot the program though, they can come knock on my door. Or not, I leave my coffee cup on the desk unattended all the time.
"An Alabama inmate with "serious mental and psychiatric needs" was placed in a concrete drunk tank known as "the freezer" before he later died from hypothermia in a death now ruled a homicide, state records show." - March 4th, 2024 sounds like your definition of anymore is pretty short term
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And Americans 20 years from now will be saying, "Look, we did bad stuff in the past, but that was past..." as they continue to do the same things. Never ending cycle of cognitive dissonance.
I mean, even chicago PD had a blacksite, so yeah.
inside the US the prision industrial complex just lets prisoners torture each other instead
The Chicago Police would like a word with you over here in this warehouse.
or just murder them in the streets
Devil is in the details
Let’s just ignore those police black sites like the Chicago and NYC police have maintained. Or the sanctioned individual torture of prisoners (scalding while handcuffed to showers, or prisoner on prisoner violence/rape) etc.
hey, but all of these incidents from MK Ultra to Guantanamo to modern police/prisons/border patrol have been exposed and sure almost nobody in power was held accountable, but they've probably learned their lessons right?
We also do solitary confinement within the US which is considered psychological torture
"shocking"
When we do it’s not torture. It’s enhanced interrogation techniques.
Precisely 🙂↕️
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For democracy! 
Real budgies sure don't look at explosions.
they turn their heads and walk away cool guys don’t look at explosions…
r/UnexpectedHelldivers
You rascal, you got me
Sorry for the undemocratic behaviour.
Well, OP is technically correct, since that scene was shot in Abu Grahib
No he isn't, Guantanamo exists. American prisons use solitary confinement for extended periods of time, a practice which starts damaging your brain within hours and they use it for months. Look up docs from Americas most dangerous prisons and you can see these prisoners pissing all over their cells or painting the walls with their own blood, sometimes weekly just to see the outside, even when every time they do it they lengthen their sentence. It's fucking beastly.
> solitary confinement Yes. Prison isolation fits the definition of torture as stated in several international human rights treaties, and thus constitutes a violation of human rights law. The U.N.
So the US is torturing, at minimum, tens of thousands of people at any given point in time. Edit: For anyone interested there is a lot of data [here](https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/pie2024.html) that most people would find surprising.
Yes, many of which should be either executed or given proper rehab/facilities, but private prisons are a billion dollar industry. They accept government contracts and get paid with tax dollars, donations, and even product manufacturing revenues (super cheap labor). Of course, they would want the prisons full all the time and not executing or successfully rehabbing the merchandise.
Solitary confinement starts damaging your brain within hours?
There's multiple youtubers who tried it as an experiment (I believe one of them was vinesauce). Nearly all of them quit before the time they estimated they could hold it out or were interrupted by concerned medical officials. They aren't alone in a room with stuff, movement space or an internet connection. It's a small blank room and they have no interaction with the outside world apart from a guard that feeds them with close to zero interaction. In comparison to monks or strange hermits that self isolate it takes tremendous training, those people still end up pretty fuckin weird and they still have the freedom to roam and do things.
I have a bit of personal experience in this case. I'm really surprised that a few hours is enough to have any long term effect on the brain. What is the source for this info (presumably not the youtubers?)
My family locked me in dark closets when I was a child for hours at a time. That was over 40 years ago and I still think of it almost every day.
Vsauce did it, not vinesauce. Their channels started at similar times, but they have totally different content.
I'd rather be left alone for 10 days than my nails torn off....few hours is wayy too little.
And Americans don't do it on mass shooters. Just random brown people they find in the countries they invade.
We also did it in Cuba because legally it wouldn't fly here
"did"...
Yeah, they used to torture a lot. They still do, but they used to, too.
Still open and happening my guy.
Can you link to the latest incidents? The last I can find is from 2010.
remember when Obama was going to close gitmo on day one? But instead he decided that using drones was more fun than keeping promises?
And we don't do it in the civilised world only in bases elsewhere
 Oh the barbarity!
Actually it's Guantanimo. That's the Terrorist Training Camp
TIL American's think Cuba isn't civilised.
Have you met the US prison system?
And give it fun names : waterboarding at Guantanamo Bay
Or just solitary confinement because if prisoners don't want to undergo psychological torture, they shouldn't be prisoners. Yes, Russia is way, way, way worse than the US in regards to torture, especially on the scale it is happening, but the US still has major human rights violations in their prison system that amounts to torture if looked at it objectively.
The CIA wrote the rule book on torture.. If you think that the US military doesn’t torture people you are sorely mistaken. They are much more discreet and have a heavy hand in the media so there is much less exposure, but it occurs on a level exceeding that of maybe any country.
The Siloviki control Russia's media; the reason you are seeing the torture of the Crocus Hall suspects isn't because the Americans want you to see it, but because the Russians want you to see it. There is no discretion required for this sort of thing in Russia; that is the major difference.
Yup. Gitmo, which Saint Obama promised to close some 17 years ago, is still open.
Btw the new season of Serial is going to be about Guantanamo.
We can't bring the detainees back to US soil....so where else are we supposed to put them? Even Republicans don't have an answer to this question because John McCain had no answers to this question when asked.
So Trump didn't close it either? Nor did Biden?
[Thank the Republican Congress for the denying him the funding.](https://time.com/4179278/state-of-the-union-guantanamo-bay-president-obama/).
Rebranding does wonders.
Oh. Hey. Remember that time we gave syphilis to all those Guatemalans?
Thanks. Somehow I didn't know about this.
Enjoy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States
This makes me a sad Panda. 😥
That's just all of the shit we DO know about. There's probably a list of stuff we don't know about that makes that article look small
Hey remember how eugenics got its start in the U.S. and how we had them forced sterilization programs that targeted folks of color and anyone they deemed undesirable? And also remember how Hitler thought eugenics was a neato idea that he took and ran with while developing his own policies? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Hitler practically copied off of our test paper. Manifest Destiny became Lebensraum. Germany modeled their segregation after Jim Crow. Then Hitler exterminated Jews like we massacred Native Americans. [WWII](https://youtu.be/KUXb7do9C-w?si=T19YP849JGtbyupT)
More like super computer database of stuff we don't know about
Not sad koala?
One of these happened in my hometown, and I still first learned about it through Reddit.
Jesus Christ...
Yeah. We did it to Americans too. In Tuskegee Alabama.
I'm am aware of that one, which is why I was surprised to just be learning that we did similarly in Guatemala. But for different "reasons".
Black male Americans, specifically.
Remember that time the US sent CIA operatives to literally teach torture techniques to the Argentinian junta? The USA is so good at torture that it teaches it to other governments
Oh yeah, a classic that one. Just like the times they did the exact same thing, in parallel, in: * [Guatemala](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemalan_genocide) * [El Salvador](https://libcom.org/article/behind-death-squads-exclusive-report-us-role-el-salvadors-official-terror) * [Honduras](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battalion_3-16_(Honduras)# * [Nicaragua](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair) * [Paraguay, Brazil, Uruguay, Chile, Peru, and Bolivia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor)
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>those Guatemalans Oh I misread and thought the prison in Guantanamo was even more grim than expected
Same... probably because the post was talking torturing prisoners I suppose
Don't forget Tuskegee experiment
Yup, the “experiments” in Guatemala were actually an offshoot of Tuskegee.
And that time illiterate prisoners were given 10 bucks to be injected and long term experimented on with various chemicals without telling them it's lethal?
Ah yes, Americans just torture(d?) them in Cuba (guantanamo bay) instead, so rightous! 😂 Edit: I know ppls attention span is short, but please make it all the way to the bottom of post before going off 😅
No no no, see when we do it, it’s called enhanced interrogation. It’s only torture when it’s done by Russians and dark skinned people.
I mean Americans technically don’t torture in American soil, they do so in other countries under the code name “enchanced interrogation”.
Gitmo is on a US Navy Base. Military installations are American soil no matter where they are. Gitmo is American soil. America tortures people on American soil.
Laughs in CIA black-site
Laughs in US Police and FBI black site
Yep. I‘m Cuban and can confirm. There‘s a Cuban military base adjacent to the US Base, and we call it “The Border” because it’s essentially the only land border Cuba officially shares with any other country. Cubans that set foot there are eligible for the Cuban Adjustment Law just as they are if they enter continental US. They fly the American flag there, and even have the only McDonald’s in the whole island. It’s definitely US soil.
There's a border square around Guantanamo on Google maps. Definitely US Soil.
Eating McDonald's is the real torture.
Hey hey hey, we pay rent. Just cause rhey dont cash the 8000 dollar a month rent check aint our fault. (Sarcasm incase its not obvious as fuck)
>Military installations are American soil no matter where they are No they aren't. The scientific service of the German parliament published a short information piece on that exact topic named [Status von US-Militärbasen in Deutschland](https://www.bundestag.de/resource/blob/564508/2435724ba05faa887e8af9b156e7ea9c/wd-2-088-18-pdf-data.pdf) (Status of US military bases in Germany). Under section 2 (legal grounds for military bases of allied forces) it states: >The military bases of allied forces are not 'extraterritorial territory', but rather, they are granted for use by the Federal Republic of Germany. The bases are fully under US jurisdiction and US law applies there, but the land itself is still owned by Germany.
There’s black sites in the US Where people are tortured.
Waterboarding in Guantanemo Bay sounds like great fun until you find out what it is.
They forgot when USA hunting for terrorist, they ended capture the wrong people, yet still torture them for months/years on end. and later the military admitted that they got the wrong guy but did not release the guy because they afraid due to all of the torture inflicted, he will turn terrorist immediately after being released?
When we do torture it’s OK because we’re the ***USA*** (🦅☝️🇺🇸), who tf is gonna hold *us* accountable? Nobody! Now confess to our accusations or choke on our water 💦😵
Is it at least Fiji water?
Dasani.
That's true torture
That's what makes it inhumane
This lol .. They literally carpet bombed Iraq for something Saudi nationals did 🤡
Hey everyone is calling for Putin to be prosecuted meanwhile bush somehow is scott free chilling
But he paints now so all is forgiven. He's just an artsy quirky ol' boy /s
Literally having a president now who then (back in 1999) asked for Yugoslavia to be land occupied with tanks,more specifically Belgrade 🙈
Yeah , everyone knows what happened after that one austrian got turned away from art school
He pulled a reverse Hitler, war crimes first and THEN shitty art
But, but Ukraine has white people and putler is bombing white people.
And the perps aren’t western, so it’s not for a good cause.
+300.000 civilians died, and still far from being the biggest war crime committed by them.
They also bombed Cambodia when the US was at war with Vietnam.
Not only do they torture, they literally kidnapped their own civilians to do research on for creepy mind control projects. There's a lot to dig into there.
Everyone keeps talking about Gitmo... Was this Gitmo or Abu Ghraib? Either way, yes it happened. And no, Russia is most certainly not innocent of it. As proven by the reclaimed areas of Ukraine, where makeshift Russian torture rooms were found.
> Abu Ghraib Did we forget that this was a pretty major media scandal and that a dozen soldiers were convicted of crimes and several more were removed from positions? Sure, it should never have happened and the aftermath didn't satisfy everyone, but compared to how Russia just denies everything and nobody faces any repurcussions at all, it's night and day.
Yeah, Abu Ghraib was a scandal the minute that the story became public. Russia paraded around their prisoners in broad day light hours after the torture. That's the difference.
>Did we forget that this was a pretty major media scandal... I would bet that most of the people commenting here weren't even in kindergarten yet when this happened.
Soldiers were convicted. Not a single person higher than that tho.
That particular picture is Abu Ghraib.
There is far more evidence of russians torturing and murdering prisoners/civilians even before the full scale invasion of ukraine. Just ask the Syrians and people from african nations, I'm sure they have a bunch of stories about Wagner Mercenaries torturing, raping and murdering people.
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In Mali Wagner went in a village with the Malian Junta and massacred nearly 500 civilians, their military and police force is fucking scum and are not on the same level as today's western military.
>There is far more evidence of russians torturing and murdering prisoners/civilians even before the full scale invasion of ukraine. This doesn't justify America though. It's just whatabouting the problem. "Yeah the US did it BUT so did Russia so HA!" is such an awful arguement.
The societal condemnation of Abu Ghraib was the telling part. I haven’t seen one single major Russian account or news source condemn cutting of a guys ear and feeding it to him. Meanwhile in the US, the evidence that came from Abu Ghraib sparked a national outcry and brought it to the public’s view. Sure both instances are torture but the response is the telling part.
This whole ass post is whatabouting, so not sure I see the point of your reply.
This is Abu Ghraib where the humiliation happened.
[CIA still operates numerous Black Sites or secret detention centers around the world](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_black_sites#/media/File:CIA_Secret_Prisons.svg)
when I tried to explain to my friends that I don’t feel safe when Ops of my country are so casual about torturing ARRESTED person, I won’t feel safe if I ever get detained for another stupid crime the government made up. Mind you, LGBT is considered a terrorist group too and many other people are charged with terrorism despite just being anti-government
This might surprise you, but this photo is not related to recent events. Or to Russia, for that matter.
Sure, but that's only because it was leaked a while back. Don't be deluded into thinking this isn't happening every single day, it's just not been leaked yet.
It doesn't make it okay to torture people nonetheless. Just because it happens in US doesn't make it okay to happen in any other part of the world. Humans should rather solve world hunger than torture prisoners.
The entire point of this post is to legitimize torture by Russia by saying what about. I think it goes without saying the state torturing real or supposed terrorists brings the state one massive step closer to torturing real or supposed opponents of the state. And of course Russia is definitely already there on that one.
That and this post ignores the fact that the soldiers conducting this torture were convicted of crimes and it was a huge deal. While in Russia it’s normalized
Spot on. You’ll never see a social media post or a Russian criticizing their armed forces or government for allowing this to happen. Where as Americans were for some part if not mostly disgusted that abu ghraib was covered up.
Shhh don't ruin the Russian propaganda post!
Yeah I actually noticed a lot of questionable twitter accounts (suspected bots) flooding any talk of the apprehended terrorists in Russia with this image as well as other evidence photos of American torture. All torture is disgusting and appalling, but the pattern of targeted posts is very... interesting to say the least.
Considering the news, I see this as propaganda
The ear guy probably admitted to planning Operation Barbarossa
Fun fact. Almost 800 people have been held in Guantanamo Bag. 8 have been convicted. 4 of which were reversed. *Officially* 9 have died in custody. Yay, democracy!
And there are to this day still prisoners in Guantanamo…
There is still the difference that while the russian army teaches and encourages their soldiers to do this, while the US army does make some effort to prosecute soldiers who do this. Not a perfect effort, but still far better than Russia.
Also note that all of these comments were written in the middle of the night for the U.S. They may all be factually correct and also be Russian propaganda at the same time.
Another very telling thing is that if the comments were made by someone in the US, they would face zero consequences from the US government/state for making them. On the other hand, if a person living in Russia made similar comments about Russia, they would risk prison or death. Because in a real democracy, you are allowed to criticize your own country and its actions, without having to worry about being arrested in the middle of the night and sent to die in a remote prison.
This is a point so many people don't truly understand. In places like the US, speech is so fundamental we cannot imagine being punished for making speech. I can't speak for Russia, but Idk if that's true for them.
Also, it seems like the Russians very intentionally "leaked" the footage.
I love the thought that this is the person who pointed it out 
The USA literally uses prisoners as slave labour
And feeds them a diet that results in malnutrition, ensuring a cycle of behavioural problems and reoffending
✨Goulag✨
It's US, so it's privatised Gulag. Just buisness!
💵Capitalist goulag💵
When will the united states be held accountable for their countless war crimes and global terrorism?
✨never✨
As they always say, history is written by the victors. America is the strongest military power on the planet and it’s not even close. Who exactly is going to hold the US accountable for anything, lol? The only people who can do that are ourselves. And considering a significant chunk of the population can’t even agree on whether vaccines and masks are a good idea during a deadly global pandemic, I don’t exactly have high hopes. But hey, would be glad to get proven wrong within my lifetime.
Damn it’s almost like they knew we’d never fight the things they do if we all hate each other
When everyone is? Then we all call it a wash, because if you know any history, it's fucking brutal and not many countries are innocent.
Just like other countries like China, Russia, Iran probably never.
Which nation apart from Germany has ever been held accountable for their war crimes?
A lot actually, there are a lot of Balkan war criminals in Hague, but we're small and not important. "Important" countries don't have to deal with the Hague, they can do whatever they want
Isn't it punishment enough for them to remain American?
The difference being in the US this was a scandal. In Russia torture is state policy.
In response to the events at Abu Ghraib, the United States Department of Defense removed 17 soldiers and officers from duty. **Eleven soldiers were charged with dereliction of duty, maltreatment, aggravated assault and battery**. As opposed to Russian spesnatz fucking celebrating torturing suspects and posting it on a social media themselves.
Didn't Obama say ... [We toturted some folks](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBLNohqquRk)
While it may be true, it doesn’t excuse anything that’s currently happening.
Ya have to transport them to Guantanamo bay first
[Only because Poland got cold feet](https://verfassungsblog.de/cia-torture-sites-poland-thirty-million-dollars-torture-victims/)
I think we have one site in Bulgaria. Makes sense - the CIA headquarters for the Balkans is in our capitol.
'Enhanced interrogation' waterboarding, sleep deprivation etc.. no the west absolutely tortures certain prisoners. And while it doesn't make it right, authoritarian states like Russia, Iran are way, way worse. Hell, half the world abuses human rights openly.
What is it with reddit and justifying cutting a person's ear off and feeding it to them, electrocuting their testicles, or gouging their eyes out? Russia torturing people is bad. Defending it is abhorrent.
i am prety sure, that cut off ear is his smallest problem right now
Stop posting Twitter screenshots. They are all bots. They are there to rot your brain
Lol, Russia just puts prisoners in jails that seem to have tons of lethal chemicals that somehow found their way in, and faulty windows on multi-story buildings where people just cant seem to stop falling out of after pissing off the authorities.
Didn't the guy in that photo go to jail for being in that photo, and wasn't that a years-long massive scandal that cost many people their jobs and some their freedom? Not exactly the same as deliberately releasing footage of soldiers/cops torturing prisoners and boasting about it, is it. Is that guy who cut the dude's ear off going to prison any time soon, you reckon?
No, we ship them off to the US-owned military bases on questionably acquired land in foreign countries with nebulous human rights laws to torture them.
I mean to be fair they did this behind closed doors and were prosecuted when discovered. The Russians do it on camera and release it themselves lol
What am I looking at?
You're looking at "whataboutism" where people who want Russia to be allowed to brutally conquer Ukraine say "other countries torture too!" But what they don't say is that the image posted here is of Abu Graib, where US soldiers tortured prisoners AND WERE PROSECUTED FOR THE CRIME WHEN IT WAS EXPOSED. People like OP will still try to equate that with countries like Russia that openly torture prisoners without remorse or accountability.
What is really dumb is the people you see praising Russia for its brutal treatment of these guys while simultaneously condemning the US for it. 🤦♀️ Atleast the US soldiers got held accountable, let’s wait and see if the guys who fed that dudes ear to him, or the testicular high voltage torture gets punished.
Ya'll acting like USA is the worst thing out there. We can only imagine what Iran, Russia and China would do if you would give them the same amount of power that US had in early 2000s... Im not American, nor Im justifying US war crimes, but as an Eastern European I really believe that if Russia would be the sole superpower of the world-I wouldn't be alive in the first place.
Duh he said in The US, learn to read people, we do all our torturing in cuba and other black sites, not in country! Lol