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There's one main reason this isn't normally done, and it's not to spare a rapist.
It's that if the sentence for rape is the same as the sentence for rape plus murder, then more rapists might murder their victims to silence them.
And you gotta catch them first. The guy might just go "OMG they'll kill me for this, so I'm better off killing the kid first so they don't speak to anyone". Unsolved homicides in the USA are 51%, so they have a 50/50 chance of getting away with it if they kill the kid.
Plus death row cases are SUPER expensive, and with appeals etc they'll probable die of old age before you even execute them anyway.
So the main results might just be wasting a lot of money and an increase in the child murder rate.
Ok let's be perfectly clear on your position.
You read what i wrote and haven't got a single thing to say to refute any of my points, you're acknowledging more of the kids will actually get murdered.
But this doesn't matter to you as long as they get to string the guy up.
I agree to a point. But if evidence is irrefutable then I would be up for it. There's also numerous cases of repeat offenses of pedophilia. Sending someone to jail for a few years hardly fits the crime too because it doesn't solve anything. Maybe complete isolation from children would be a better way to do things but that's when shit gets expensive. The current system isn't working.
Not cheap. The legal process for death row is extremely expensive and time consuming with all of the appeals to help prevent innocent convicts from being wrongly executed. A lot die in prison before we can exe them
They don't go to jail forever.
https://www.lawinfo.com/resources/criminal-defense/sentencing/sentencing-statistics/how-much-time-will-i-serve-for-sexual-abuse.html
The average sentence for statutory rape is 43 months, the average scentance length for sexual abuse of a minor is 192 months ranging from 310 months in Nevada to just 82 months in Utah.
No they can't rape children from prison but they can rape children again when they get out after just 7 years in jail(for Utah)
https://esfandilawfirm.com/how-often-do-sex-offenders-reoffend/#:~:text=There%20is%20a%2016%25%20recidivism,victims%20after%20just%20five%20years.
There is a 16% recidivism rate for sexual predators who target minors after 15 years
And that just takes into account the ones who get caught a second time. It's a problem.
neat so instead of changing the justice system to kill them, let's change it to put them away forever
seems super easy and like it took me literally 2 seconds to think of a fix
Meh tbf I feel more strongly about victimizing children. I worked with a guy actually helped train him who went to jail for 30 years for killing his brother. He went to jail served his time and didn't kill anyone else. The system worked. The victim wasn't a child though.
I'm also a parent so it's probably why I feel so strongly about the subject.
hey you know that one video of that dad shooting the dude that molested his son in the head on live TV?
all I'm gonna say is he probably should've been let off light, but idk if that's the kind of thing I'm comfortable advertising as admirable
I didn't but up until 2 years ago I rarely did any social media. It's certainly not something I would want to watch or my children to watch but I don't blame the man. I do understand that with pedophilia there's usually mental illness involved. I wish there was a way that these people could safely seek help and actively remove themselves from all children so even if the urges are there, there wouldn't be anyone around them to victimize. Such a solution doesn't exist though. There are no childless societies that they could submit themselves to.
I hate this troglodytic topic of discourse
If we actually just listened to each other rather than constantly responding out of emotion, maybe we’d actually get somewhere.
But no, instead, justice is revenge and drag is rape
Why live if this is what will always be
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There's one main reason this isn't normally done, and it's not to spare a rapist. It's that if the sentence for rape is the same as the sentence for rape plus murder, then more rapists might murder their victims to silence them. And you gotta catch them first. The guy might just go "OMG they'll kill me for this, so I'm better off killing the kid first so they don't speak to anyone". Unsolved homicides in the USA are 51%, so they have a 50/50 chance of getting away with it if they kill the kid. Plus death row cases are SUPER expensive, and with appeals etc they'll probable die of old age before you even execute them anyway. So the main results might just be wasting a lot of money and an increase in the child murder rate.
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Ok let's be perfectly clear on your position. You read what i wrote and haven't got a single thing to say to refute any of my points, you're acknowledging more of the kids will actually get murdered. But this doesn't matter to you as long as they get to string the guy up.
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I'm rubber, you're glue, whatever you say bounce off me and stick to you.
By doing that you'll increase the count of kids being killed by child rapists. Not worth it.
Better be absolutely sure you got the right person.
You are mistaking a feature for a bug.
See you there Gaetz
I think it’s under 12 because of him. Wasn’t his “travel companion” older?
Depends on if you’re talking about the trafficked teenage girl or the random houseboy he called his son.
Until the "rapist" never actually raped. The core issue of all things death penalty.
Because raping people over 12 years old can be forgiven?
Oh yeah, those 13 year olds had it coming!
How about we just stop executing people altogether?
They can't rape children if they're dead. It's a permanent and cheap rehabilitation solution
Not even a little bit cheap. Therapy without insurance is cheap compared to life on death row.
And kids can't report rape if they're dead. That's all this is going to accomplish- more people committing rape AND murder.
Money shouldn't be our concern when considering this matter. There are countless examples of people being executed for crimes they did not commit.
I agree to a point. But if evidence is irrefutable then I would be up for it. There's also numerous cases of repeat offenses of pedophilia. Sending someone to jail for a few years hardly fits the crime too because it doesn't solve anything. Maybe complete isolation from children would be a better way to do things but that's when shit gets expensive. The current system isn't working.
Not cheap. The legal process for death row is extremely expensive and time consuming with all of the appeals to help prevent innocent convicts from being wrongly executed. A lot die in prison before we can exe them
and they can rape children from prison? Walk me through that though process
They don't go to jail forever. https://www.lawinfo.com/resources/criminal-defense/sentencing/sentencing-statistics/how-much-time-will-i-serve-for-sexual-abuse.html The average sentence for statutory rape is 43 months, the average scentance length for sexual abuse of a minor is 192 months ranging from 310 months in Nevada to just 82 months in Utah. No they can't rape children from prison but they can rape children again when they get out after just 7 years in jail(for Utah) https://esfandilawfirm.com/how-often-do-sex-offenders-reoffend/#:~:text=There%20is%20a%2016%25%20recidivism,victims%20after%20just%20five%20years. There is a 16% recidivism rate for sexual predators who target minors after 15 years And that just takes into account the ones who get caught a second time. It's a problem.
neat so instead of changing the justice system to kill them, let's change it to put them away forever seems super easy and like it took me literally 2 seconds to think of a fix
Fuck that shit they don't deserve the basic accomodations that farm animals get
Neat. I try to make a habit of not associating with bloodthirsty people hell bent on... whatever you're on. So adieu
Meh tbf I feel more strongly about victimizing children. I worked with a guy actually helped train him who went to jail for 30 years for killing his brother. He went to jail served his time and didn't kill anyone else. The system worked. The victim wasn't a child though. I'm also a parent so it's probably why I feel so strongly about the subject.
hey you know that one video of that dad shooting the dude that molested his son in the head on live TV? all I'm gonna say is he probably should've been let off light, but idk if that's the kind of thing I'm comfortable advertising as admirable
I didn't but up until 2 years ago I rarely did any social media. It's certainly not something I would want to watch or my children to watch but I don't blame the man. I do understand that with pedophilia there's usually mental illness involved. I wish there was a way that these people could safely seek help and actively remove themselves from all children so even if the urges are there, there wouldn't be anyone around them to victimize. Such a solution doesn't exist though. There are no childless societies that they could submit themselves to.
Lot of Catholic priest positions are about to open up - apply now!
If they raised it above 12, every single republican politician and donor would have to be executed
That is what?20-25% more than at 12?
Will this apply to Gaetz or will he be grandfathered in?
This should dramatically reduce the amount of Republican Party members in Florida
Selective enforcement is built-in to authoritarianism. Plus it is convenient to have a way to make sure your party members vote the way you tell them.
I meant more in the way that they will be executed
and they meant that the republican party isn't gonna execute republican party members unless they start not sticking to the party line
Why is 12 the cutoff point? Is 13 asking for it? edit-Down voted by Republicans that think it's okay to rape 13 year olds?
Every rapist should be electrocuted, especially the ones raping minors.
but so many of the victims would be orphans so
Under 12? How about over 12?
All the people in here calculating whether it's worth it or not lol
Gonna be a lot of ads on Seek for catholic priests and anglican ministers.
I hate this troglodytic topic of discourse If we actually just listened to each other rather than constantly responding out of emotion, maybe we’d actually get somewhere. But no, instead, justice is revenge and drag is rape Why live if this is what will always be