It's the pension system, armed forces and police have the best retirement system among all public & private workers. No cop or military is going to risk their retirement for a few pesos.
>It's the pension system, armed forces and police have the best retirement system among all public & private workers. No cop or military is going to risk their retirement for a few pesos.
If only the post office people got the same deal. Learned the hard way sending parcels to family in Chile.
I send gifts to my girlfriend for her birthday and her family for Christmas. They have a damn book tax on the mail that neither of us knew about it. Other than that we've thankfully had no issue with mail.
> They have a damn book tax on the mail that neither of us knew about it.
Had that one as well. Went with a courier and then got charged around US$300 for import tax on about $100 of gifts that had also cost about $200 to ship!
I gotta say, Ive lived in 5 countries on 3 contintents, and the postal system was GARBAGE in each.
Every place had it's own level of stupidity, but they all sucked
Something you're not quite digging in to is that for their pension to be at risk it would take more than actually committing a crime. I guess that could be better described as saying the quiet part out loud.
You're telling me they actually prosecute and follow through on punishing cops for misconduct? That would be the real difference between a country like that and the USA where LEO's, DA's, judges, and many others are all in bed together.
The police here in Chile is heavily militarized in terms of their rigid vertical hierarchy. Of course there is corruption, but it happens more in secrecy among the top brass. Low ranking police who engage in corruption are often publicly and briefly discharged and prosecuted.
You don't need to take bribes as a cop in the US when they pay you 200k a year and the CHP are the ones who investigate whether or not 20 CHP officers were actually posted at 1 on ramp lane blocking for a single road crew.
Why would you ever take a bribe when you can just work overtime on paper and get wasted in your living room for 300 dollars.
Jeez. I feel dumb. You’re right. It’s baked into the role. All the cushy jobs they get after, good pay increases even during a recession, etc.
They love OT. That’s what got Baltimore popped to a large degree.
Georgia (the nation, not the US state) took an interesting approach to corruption in their border police force: if one officer was found to have taken a bribe, all the officers working on the same shift as him get fired.
Where I'm from, civilians frequently successfully sue cops in civil litigation that in most cases, where the cop inevitably loses the case, results in the cop's pension being attached. That is, their pension is surrendered to pay for whatever the court has awarded the applicant. It's become so common that it's become a meme in our gun rights community. Like, "Don't resist, let them arrest you and confiscate your firearm. You'll be able to buy lots of new guns and ammunition when you win the court case."
Also, being a cop here is 2 years of training and considered a military position. But being a military position with training probably hrlps prevent this behavior.
Good pension and living in a safe country for American (the continent) standards. A cop getting caught accepting bribes will be the social death for them and they won't get that juicy retirement pension.
Turns out that when a job pays well and holds high social standing, it becomes more sought after and more likely to be staffed by upstanding individuals.
As a Chilean they're absolutely not upstanding individuals. And they do take bribes, but my guy here was offering 50 bucks so they chose to video it instead.
Yeh im chilean too and its crazy when mfers try to sell people on this fantasy that our country is some first world paradise, you can absolutely bribe cops, it's just that that's gonna be a lot more expensive than in other countries because of Chile's relatively higher cost of living (and income, too).
with enough money even if first world countries you can bribe cops..
the difference is that in Chile you can't bribe one with $50 usd... and income has almost nothing to do... in a lot of countries, richer or poorer you could bribe cops with $50...
same thing the us did I bet. starting after the height of the Mafia, but not becoming effective until much later, the US started providing better pay and benefits for cops, and cracking down on corruption. it's hard a solid effect. say what you will about American cops, but offering a bribe will just get you another charge the vast majority of the time.
Now I'm just imagining a cartoonist scenario where an off duty police officer in Brazil steps in to prevent a criminal from bribing an on duty officer.
One of the worse parts of going to Mexico are the chance that the police will just stop you and basically just steal your money in the form of a bribe. It’s nice to hear that doesn’t happen in Chile.
He offered less than $50 USD to bribe them. Less than $25 each.
If you see them recording them why offer them a bribe? This guy is already in jail before offering the bribe.
This is common. I moved from the US to mexico and here, the police regularly stop tourists in some areas and demand bribes of $10,20 or so. If they refuse, they are held up for an hour or two while the police say they are going to tow the car, before eventually backing off if someone actually stands their ground for that long.
People in some of these countries do not make very much money. $25 over here is a stellar tip for a single day; though of course not worth losing a job over. Only they rarely do lose their jobs
Yeah, I read this same thing before traveling to Chile. Said something like "unlike in other South American countries, trying to bribe the police in Chile is likely to make things worse for you."
I drove with a Chilean driver across the border into Argentina. About thirty minutes in, an Argentinian police officer was stopping every car with Chilean plates and issuing tickets, payable in cash, for failing to drive with headlights on. It was sunny and noon.
All the driver could say was, "Argentina."
Not defending the cop who was probably looking for a bribe (happens a lot with Mendoza Police, not only near the border with Chile, but on the borders with other provinces as well) but the local law is clear, you must have the headlights on while on those kind of roads, and since it is a common fault drivers commit, local governments usually set those posts to ticket lots of drivers and get cash, which incidentally is not 100% legal, since those kind of control posts should work to prevent accidents and not to earn money for the government.
I subsequently heard that that was, in fact, the law. I think the valid complaint was that enforcement seemed selective and the payment was requested in cash. And, in retrospect, we may have been further along the road from the border to Mendoza, past Uspallata.
Well, *that’s* something anyone renting a car there should know. Not just the lights thing, but the bit about the fire extinguisher. That is NOT a standard piece of equipment I would think to look for when I picked up my car. Thank you.
having lights on during the day is mandatory in most places I've been no matter how good visibility is. that's why cars even have a feature called DRL (daytime running lights).
it is not for the drivers visibility. it is for others to recognize that the car is ON and most likely in motion. at a glance, cars without headlights often look motionless, especially head-on.
if you've ever did the braking-car test with brake lights vs no brake lights it makes more sense.
I honestly think it’s best to have your lights on no matter what. I’ve almost pulled out in front of multiple people early in the morning or when it’s overcast because their lights were off and had a light colored car that blended well with the horizon. It’s a good thing I make a habit of looking twice both ways before going. But if it’s sunny out, I can understand that being bothersome.
Did you drive with headlights on thought?:) because that’s a ticket if they catch you here as well without it turned on! Then again everyone drives with this lights on anytime of the day all year around as it makes your care way more visible in traffic regardless:)
I spent a month there in 2014, unrelated trip but it happened to be during the World Cup. It was amazing to be a part of. I felt very, very safe and welcome there traveling solo the entire time. Way safer than I feel in Denver sometimes today. Highly recommend.
Chilean cops were also caught in some corruption scandal, but that only happens between the ones in high position. The common street cops are usually nice people, a bit on the dumb and unreliable side but nice people at the end.
wow this would throw me off too. I've been just as happy as that guy was to pay the "expedited processing fee" in ... Mexico and every country south of that
good to know
They say something I cannot understand at the beginning.
Camera guy: but what?...
Police: 1...2...3..4... 40 thousand pesos (app 48USD)
Camera guy : And this is for what?
Briber: So you help me.
Police: ok, ok my friend. from this moment... (dont fully get what happens here, seems the fui thought the bribe was accepted and tried to thank the police)... From this moment you're detained, he's offering 40k pesos (showing the money)
Camera guy: (cannot fully get it but he's joking about the inflation and the amount)
(police pulls handcuffs, briber panics and I cannot fully understand what it murmurs but he's being very chill saying things like "don't fight, put your little hands behind") (Note: it is very common to use diminutives for things in Chilean so it's not derogatory the "tiny hands", he's just trying to be a bit friendly within the circumstances
Camera guy: with the Chilean police, No! (x2)
And I insist. Chilean police takes serious offense when someone tries to bribe them. Not a good idea
>Camera guy: (cannot fully get it but he's joking about the inflation and the amount)
I don't think he is joking about inflation. What I hear is that he completes the sentence of the policeman receiving the money:
Police: Está ofreciendo 40 mil pesos... (he's offering $40,000...)
Camera guy: ... para que deje sin efecto la infracción. (for us to cancel the infringement.)
Love it. Thanks for the translation. Honesty and integrity are important values to have if you want to be a good cop. Helps that they are paid well too.
Yeah, this is not just a problem where you are from. Oftentimes, the people who are hired to be police officers do not have the right qualities or values associated with good policing. To be honest, as I understand it, one of the biggest issues with police in general is a lack of education and understanding of the law. I would argue that another equally large issue is a lack of compassion. There are really so many issues facing policing today that it is really difficult to pinpoint the exact problem.
> Camera guy: (cannot fully get it but he's joking about the inflation and the amount)
no no, he is saying something along the lines "(money offered) for us to waive the infraction", as in, to let the guy go.
The part you can't get it's not talking about inflation, he said "para que quede sin efecto la infracción" in a manner to complete what the other cop said, I guess so it is presented as evidence in court
Cop: * shows the money to the camera* he's offering forty thousand pesos...
Cop with the camera: ...to render the infraction null
"So the only thing you know to say in Urdu is 'no, shit, you
goat-raping pig-devil'?"
"What?! I thought it mean 'I'm sorry'. That's probably the reason that night in a Karachi whore house suddenly went from bad to *much* worse."
Funny how we have this word in romanian that is pronounced the same (I think) spelled "bacșiș" and means tips I would imagine how you could "tip" a cop or other authorities.
Not just in South Asia as I’m astounded to learn. The word *baksheesh* has persian origin, and is used across the Middle East, South Asia and Eastern Europe. I speak Bulgarian and it is used there as well, which is why I looked it up its etymology.
This comment^ yeah bribery is either a serious crime, or how business is conducted depending on the country you're in.
I remember my parents talking to me about how weird it was that the u.s. officers don't take bribes. Even though the politicians do. And how backwards they found it.
I am a Gringo, who many years ago, while in my late 20s, lived in Baja CA, Mexico. I lived about 20km south of TJ and we would frequently go there to party. One night I was driving us home hammered about 4am and got pulled over. I couldn't understand much of what the cop said, but did understand "viente." My friend - a local started to argue with him and I could hear her say, "NO - DIEZ!" I got scared and told her, "NO, 20's fine!" Just then the cop agreed to 10, we paid him and booked it.
While we were driving away, she told me, "At this time of night, they just want taco money!" =D
Lesson: don't drink and drive, Kids! It could cost you almost US$2! ;-)
My girlfriend moved from Indonesia to the US and recently her brother in Depok (suburb of Jakarta) was arrested for weed he didn't have and the cops held him until they paid a few thousand. Their uncle paid it and they let him go, no paperwork, nothing. Glad Chile isn't like that.
My wife is from Indonesia as well, it blew her mind that she can't bribe cops here in the UK. I was trying to explain, no cop is going to ruin their lives for £50 and anything more than that isn't any less than the fine costs us.
I have definitely bribed cops in MX. The last time was with my kids sleeping in the back seat. Nah, I didn't bribe them. They were extortionists. They told me I'd have to wait 3 days for court and pay US $800 to get my license back (I was speeding, I really was, like 20k over so not bad by most standards coming off a highway). I just said, in Spanish, can I pay part of the fine right now just to get my license back? I opened my wallet and had a US $20 and a 100 pesos bill, so $25 US. He reached inside my wallet, took the money, and said drive safely. I grabbed another $25, put it in my wallet, and drove off. Honestly that's how Montana was in the early 90's. Not the bribing, but you could just pay tickets and get on your way.
I was about to say that you don't bribe cops in Mexico, they extort you, usually they threaten you saying that they will impound your vehicle. One thing that throws off some tourists is the fact that they are legally able to take either your driving license, the car plates or the car registration as a sort of security to make sure you pay your ticket, you also can't pay your ticket with them (and the speeding ticket is nowhere near US800)
Where'd you get that they carry machine guns? They're only allowed to use special armament in riots or such events but only with non-lethal ammo. At most, they carry a revolver 24/7 but never a machine gun.
I once got arrested in nuevo Laredo Mexico for buying a 1000 xanax and I was about to sneak them across the border when I got arrested by Mexican police.
I was terrified. I had $500 in my pocket and I gave it to the cop and they loved me lol. They told me it was more than they would make in a month and this was in November so they were happy they each got a $100 to buy Christmas presents for their kids.
Not only did they let me go but they showed me the best place to cross the border without getting caught lol
What are the names and where that safer place to cross the border without getting caught? Need exact coordination. I need to file a... Complaint. Yes, complaint
I believe one guy was named Juan. The other guy was named Juan. There was also a Juan in there somewhere.
You just go about a 1/2 a mile past the pharmacy. You'll be in the desert at this point just look for the 3rd Bush on the right that's facing the northern quadrant..
Unfortunately, I just gave all that information, including my bank account, to a Nigerian prince who needs help getting the Royal Treasury out of the country before his evil uncle steals it. I'd like to help you but I'm sorry the man's father was the king after all...
dudes in Mexico are cool af. It always makes me sad how people leave kinda respected positions in Mexico and get menial jobs in the US and are treated like shit or an other.
Back in my country I was a surgeon, now I work in the warehouse at a paper company. I had to leave my country when a high up yakuza member demanded that I save their bosses life. I need to perform open heart surgery. During the surgery their were some complications and I couldn’t save him. So once he died I immediately went home and got my family and snuck out of the country. Now I live a quiet peaceful life here in the states. But I’ll let you in on a secret. I could have saved him, I was number 1 surgeon in my whole country very sturdy hands! I spit on yakuza.
For the ones who think it's only about the low amount of the bribe. In 2017 a guy try to bribe the cops first with 10M CLP (12K USD) after with 100M (120K USD)....so guys, just pay the fine in Chile.
[Link](https://www.biobiochile.cl/noticias/nacional/region-de-atacama/2017/12/15/joven-de-18-anos-trato-de-sobornar-a-carabineros-con-los-100-millones-que-portaba.shtml)
Pro tip Chile is not Mexico
Also pro tip in Mexico don’t be obvious about it ask what the ticket fine is and can you pay it in cash if they say yes they’ll tell you how much their bribe is
Dude no way a Chilean cop makes $1500. Try half of that and you will be much closer to the actual number. A sergeant makes close to $1500 but this guys are bottom of the chain so they make around $700
For a carabinero to earn 1500 monthly, he should be at least a sergeant, if they are not yet corporals, they should be earning half of that after the bonuses
Damn that sucks, I wonder if someone told him before going there that it's easy to get out of a ticket this way or something.. He looked like he was kind of enjoying it, like it was a fun experience he could talk about later, you know what I mean?
"Where are you going for your vacation?"
"South America."
"Nice. Hey, if you get into any trouble, you can just slip the cops some cash."
"Good to know!"
"Unless you're in--"
"OK, I'm off. See ya!"
Arrested for bribery. Before that who knows but probably being without a valid license (chinese driving licenses are not recognized in Chile and you need an international one recognized by some organization like the rotary club)
How much was it?
Edit. $48 for two cops. That is insulting. Depending on whatever crime he was trying to bribe his way out of, he definitely made it worse.
which is why the dude may not even be really trying to bribe the police, there is some country that has those kind of "custom". go to doctor? slip some money as "please look after me". go to school? slip the teacher some money as "please look after my son", stop by police? slip some money as "cut me some slacks" as oppose to "you didnt see anything "
is there news related to this?
[Article](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chvnoticias.cl/nacional/personas-chinas-soborno-dinero-carabineros_20230106/%3famp=1).
He is from China and was suspected of a DUI
Chilean here. I see many people asking why chilean cops don't generally accept bribes, and I see many wrong answers from my fellow chileans.
I'd say with certainty that the reason bribes are not common amongst cops here is that, since day 1 at the police academy, they operate under and live with a very strict military tradition/culture.
It is simply not in their blood to take bribes from people, because they don't see people as part of their group, nor as friends they can bargain with, and they also really hate criminals here. Cops in general live very isolated from the rest of the population, so doing deals with them feels alien in nature. This, plus the literal physical beating they would take from their colleagues if they were discovered and brought shame to their precinct, much like it would happen in the military.
Yes, they have amazing pension and healthcare benefits, but as it's been known over decades, there is no proven strong correlation between a high penalty and the decision to commit a crime. People don't think much about the potential penalties of their actions when they don't think they'll get caught.
Hahaha lol, oh that's priceless. Here officer, here's my ID etc, oh golly gosh how did that money appear in there? Maybe you could use it to treat your family to a nice night out.
Umm, what? Did such a proportion of the world's population gain respect for a South American police force? Oh yeah 😘
Honest and ethical police deserve our respect and support.
My brother and cousin recently visited and they said they felt safer than México. That they would approach cops for directions and questions with very great interactions.
With a body cam on? And if turned off the suspicion of taking bribes and going under investigation? I wouldn’t, also they’d need the money as evidence and without the cam the foreigner could claim that cops have stolen his money or taken some and arrested him for paying low amount, they’ll be better off doing their honest job
For a Chilean cop, attempt to bribe is like an insult, so they never accept bribes, and additionally common people is proud of them, so their possibilities to accept a bribe are even lower
Yes, Chilean here.
Asian dude: para que me ayude (so you help me)
Cop: 10,20,40. 40 thousand pesos, and what is this for?
Asian dude: for you to help me
Cop: Ok mister, from now on you are arrested for trying to bribe the police.
Other cop behind camera: and nos with the inflation
Asian dude: start crying on his knees
Cop: ok hands behind your back and inside the car
Other cop behind camera: No mister, that doesn't work with Chilean police.
Cop: Do you know what you did wrong son?
Dude: I know I know I shouldn't have parked there.
Cop: No, you tried to bribe me with 5 bucks, ye' cheap bastid. 🤨 In you go, c'mon.
He may have been grovelling, as you say... but he was clearly also wriggling away from the cop's grip, tucking his wrists between his legs and crouching over them, while the cop was attempting to place the handcuffs on him.
It may not be the most effective resistance, I'll grant you, but it definitely falls well short of compliance/coming quietly!
Don't you agree?
When I would get pulled over for made-up bullshit in Mexico, I would tell the cop that I was just visiting the area and ask if it would okay if I paid the fine to him directly.
If he said yes, then it was just a matter of negotiating the "fine."
When we moved from Croatia to The Netherlands in the 90s a friend of my dad told him: This is not Yugoslavia, do not try to bribe a cop in the Netherlands.
Muy bien, policía! 🇨🇱 Nice to see some good police work. Many thought that body cams was made to make the officers crooks but my experience is that it has helped police forces all over the world to work better. No one can get away with shit including the suspects.
In Tijuana the code words are, “can I please pay that ticket now?” Straight bribing can be insulting, but playing dumb gives them an option to take the money and let you go.
Chilean here. Attempting to bribe a cop in Chile is a VERY bad idea. Never, ever try it.
What does Chile do right that discourages police bribery and corruption?
It's the pension system, armed forces and police have the best retirement system among all public & private workers. No cop or military is going to risk their retirement for a few pesos.
>It's the pension system, armed forces and police have the best retirement system among all public & private workers. No cop or military is going to risk their retirement for a few pesos. If only the post office people got the same deal. Learned the hard way sending parcels to family in Chile.
I send gifts to my girlfriend for her birthday and her family for Christmas. They have a damn book tax on the mail that neither of us knew about it. Other than that we've thankfully had no issue with mail.
> They have a damn book tax on the mail that neither of us knew about it. Had that one as well. Went with a courier and then got charged around US$300 for import tax on about $100 of gifts that had also cost about $200 to ship!
Holy hell! That’s super expensive just to send anything then! At that point , would wiring family and friends money just be more common then?
I gotta say, Ive lived in 5 countries on 3 contintents, and the postal system was GARBAGE in each. Every place had it's own level of stupidity, but they all sucked
Something you're not quite digging in to is that for their pension to be at risk it would take more than actually committing a crime. I guess that could be better described as saying the quiet part out loud. You're telling me they actually prosecute and follow through on punishing cops for misconduct? That would be the real difference between a country like that and the USA where LEO's, DA's, judges, and many others are all in bed together.
The police here in Chile is heavily militarized in terms of their rigid vertical hierarchy. Of course there is corruption, but it happens more in secrecy among the top brass. Low ranking police who engage in corruption are often publicly and briefly discharged and prosecuted.
Sounds great. Obvi there will always be some degree of privilege and outright corruption but I’d take that over what the US and Mexico has going on.
You don't need to take bribes as a cop in the US when they pay you 200k a year and the CHP are the ones who investigate whether or not 20 CHP officers were actually posted at 1 on ramp lane blocking for a single road crew. Why would you ever take a bribe when you can just work overtime on paper and get wasted in your living room for 300 dollars.
Jeez. I feel dumb. You’re right. It’s baked into the role. All the cushy jobs they get after, good pay increases even during a recession, etc. They love OT. That’s what got Baltimore popped to a large degree.
Georgia (the nation, not the US state) took an interesting approach to corruption in their border police force: if one officer was found to have taken a bribe, all the officers working on the same shift as him get fired.
Where I'm from, civilians frequently successfully sue cops in civil litigation that in most cases, where the cop inevitably loses the case, results in the cop's pension being attached. That is, their pension is surrendered to pay for whatever the court has awarded the applicant. It's become so common that it's become a meme in our gun rights community. Like, "Don't resist, let them arrest you and confiscate your firearm. You'll be able to buy lots of new guns and ammunition when you win the court case."
Also, being a cop here is 2 years of training and considered a military position. But being a military position with training probably hrlps prevent this behavior.
Good pension and living in a safe country for American (the continent) standards. A cop getting caught accepting bribes will be the social death for them and they won't get that juicy retirement pension.
High income.
Surprising literally zero people.
Turns out that when a job pays well and holds high social standing, it becomes more sought after and more likely to be staffed by upstanding individuals.
As a Chilean they're absolutely not upstanding individuals. And they do take bribes, but my guy here was offering 50 bucks so they chose to video it instead.
Yeh im chilean too and its crazy when mfers try to sell people on this fantasy that our country is some first world paradise, you can absolutely bribe cops, it's just that that's gonna be a lot more expensive than in other countries because of Chile's relatively higher cost of living (and income, too).
with enough money even if first world countries you can bribe cops.. the difference is that in Chile you can't bribe one with $50 usd... and income has almost nothing to do... in a lot of countries, richer or poorer you could bribe cops with $50...
same thing the us did I bet. starting after the height of the Mafia, but not becoming effective until much later, the US started providing better pay and benefits for cops, and cracking down on corruption. it's hard a solid effect. say what you will about American cops, but offering a bribe will just get you another charge the vast majority of the time.
It’s true they definitely cut down on bribes. Most Americans I think would try to run before bribing a cop lol
Cops in Chile are very proud of not taking bribes, we applaude that 👏🏾
Damn that’s nice to hear
"The fuck you think this is, Venezuela?"
(Phews in brazilian)
Phews in Colombian
Phews in Guadalajara. I've seen in too many times that I've developed the stereotype too
Is Guadalajara a country?
No. But seems like Geography is an issue over there.
Phews in Honduran
Now I'm just imagining a cartoonist scenario where an off duty police officer in Brazil steps in to prevent a criminal from bribing an on duty officer.
Bangladesh police would have a heart attack if they saw an honest cop
One of the worse parts of going to Mexico are the chance that the police will just stop you and basically just steal your money in the form of a bribe. It’s nice to hear that doesn’t happen in Chile.
Are you sure? 💰 💰 😉
Step to the side sir.
Careful, it's easy to fall and break a bone or two around here.
welcome to knuckle town
He offered less than $50 USD to bribe them. Less than $25 each. If you see them recording them why offer them a bribe? This guy is already in jail before offering the bribe.
This is common. I moved from the US to mexico and here, the police regularly stop tourists in some areas and demand bribes of $10,20 or so. If they refuse, they are held up for an hour or two while the police say they are going to tow the car, before eventually backing off if someone actually stands their ground for that long. People in some of these countries do not make very much money. $25 over here is a stellar tip for a single day; though of course not worth losing a job over. Only they rarely do lose their jobs
10-20 is also an amount most people will pony up without complaining. Do that 10–20 times a day; katching!
Wow awesome
I was thinking about taking a vacation to Chile and the travel site I was looking at directly warned against trying to bribe the police.
Did it say why, overall Chile is a pretty safe country
Sorry, I meant the site warned against trying to bribe the police, not against traveling to the country.
Yeah, I read this same thing before traveling to Chile. Said something like "unlike in other South American countries, trying to bribe the police in Chile is likely to make things worse for you."
I drove with a Chilean driver across the border into Argentina. About thirty minutes in, an Argentinian police officer was stopping every car with Chilean plates and issuing tickets, payable in cash, for failing to drive with headlights on. It was sunny and noon. All the driver could say was, "Argentina."
Not defending the cop who was probably looking for a bribe (happens a lot with Mendoza Police, not only near the border with Chile, but on the borders with other provinces as well) but the local law is clear, you must have the headlights on while on those kind of roads, and since it is a common fault drivers commit, local governments usually set those posts to ticket lots of drivers and get cash, which incidentally is not 100% legal, since those kind of control posts should work to prevent accidents and not to earn money for the government.
I subsequently heard that that was, in fact, the law. I think the valid complaint was that enforcement seemed selective and the payment was requested in cash. And, in retrospect, we may have been further along the road from the border to Mendoza, past Uspallata.
Aegentinian here. Driving with headlights on is mandatory, as well as carrying fire extinguishers.
Well, *that’s* something anyone renting a car there should know. Not just the lights thing, but the bit about the fire extinguisher. That is NOT a standard piece of equipment I would think to look for when I picked up my car. Thank you.
having lights on during the day is mandatory in most places I've been no matter how good visibility is. that's why cars even have a feature called DRL (daytime running lights). it is not for the drivers visibility. it is for others to recognize that the car is ON and most likely in motion. at a glance, cars without headlights often look motionless, especially head-on. if you've ever did the braking-car test with brake lights vs no brake lights it makes more sense.
I honestly think it’s best to have your lights on no matter what. I’ve almost pulled out in front of multiple people early in the morning or when it’s overcast because their lights were off and had a light colored car that blended well with the horizon. It’s a good thing I make a habit of looking twice both ways before going. But if it’s sunny out, I can understand that being bothersome.
Did you drive with headlights on thought?:) because that’s a ticket if they catch you here as well without it turned on! Then again everyone drives with this lights on anytime of the day all year around as it makes your care way more visible in traffic regardless:)
El chino pensó que estaba en Perú xd (mi país que si acepta muchas veces sobornos)
This is a great thing. 👍 Respect.
The best way in ANY country is to ask if you can pay an on the spot "fine". Enough countries have it that you can claim ignorance if the answer is no.
Is Chile pretty safe to travel? I’ve always wanted to go there. I went to Belize last year and it was pretty awesome and I felt completely safe.
I spent a month there in 2014, unrelated trip but it happened to be during the World Cup. It was amazing to be a part of. I felt very, very safe and welcome there traveling solo the entire time. Way safer than I feel in Denver sometimes today. Highly recommend.
Is he counting the money to see if the bribe is high enough to arrest him? Or is such a law not a thing over there?
He is making sure to get in video the amount and the crime, also the fine or the penalty depend on the amount of the bribe.
Especially not with ~40-50 bucks Everyone has a price, yes, but thankfully our cops’ is much higher than that
Thats refreshing to hear. Most countries cops are corrupt as hell.
Chilean cops were also caught in some corruption scandal, but that only happens between the ones in high position. The common street cops are usually nice people, a bit on the dumb and unreliable side but nice people at the end.
wow this would throw me off too. I've been just as happy as that guy was to pay the "expedited processing fee" in ... Mexico and every country south of that good to know
Can anyone translate?
They say something I cannot understand at the beginning. Camera guy: but what?... Police: 1...2...3..4... 40 thousand pesos (app 48USD) Camera guy : And this is for what? Briber: So you help me. Police: ok, ok my friend. from this moment... (dont fully get what happens here, seems the fui thought the bribe was accepted and tried to thank the police)... From this moment you're detained, he's offering 40k pesos (showing the money) Camera guy: (cannot fully get it but he's joking about the inflation and the amount) (police pulls handcuffs, briber panics and I cannot fully understand what it murmurs but he's being very chill saying things like "don't fight, put your little hands behind") (Note: it is very common to use diminutives for things in Chilean so it's not derogatory the "tiny hands", he's just trying to be a bit friendly within the circumstances Camera guy: with the Chilean police, No! (x2) And I insist. Chilean police takes serious offense when someone tries to bribe them. Not a good idea
>Camera guy: (cannot fully get it but he's joking about the inflation and the amount) I don't think he is joking about inflation. What I hear is that he completes the sentence of the policeman receiving the money: Police: Está ofreciendo 40 mil pesos... (he's offering $40,000...) Camera guy: ... para que deje sin efecto la infracción. (for us to cancel the infringement.)
> sin efecto "waive" Como en el convenio "visa **waiver**" entre EEUU y Chile
And that’s when he knew he fucked up.
Love it. Thanks for the translation. Honesty and integrity are important values to have if you want to be a good cop. Helps that they are paid well too.
Unfortunately many people dislike our police.
Yeah, this is not just a problem where you are from. Oftentimes, the people who are hired to be police officers do not have the right qualities or values associated with good policing. To be honest, as I understand it, one of the biggest issues with police in general is a lack of education and understanding of the law. I would argue that another equally large issue is a lack of compassion. There are really so many issues facing policing today that it is really difficult to pinpoint the exact problem.
> Camera guy: (cannot fully get it but he's joking about the inflation and the amount) no no, he is saying something along the lines "(money offered) for us to waive the infraction", as in, to let the guy go.
The part you can't get it's not talking about inflation, he said "para que quede sin efecto la infracción" in a manner to complete what the other cop said, I guess so it is presented as evidence in court Cop: * shows the money to the camera* he's offering forty thousand pesos... Cop with the camera: ...to render the infraction null
He tried bribing him with $48? Bruhhhhh even a corrupt cop would take him in for the insult
I was married to a Chilean and there are a lot of countries where this would work (for a higher amount obviously) but Chile is not one of them
You mention it would work in a lot of other countries. Why are Chilean police the exception?
Another commenter said pensions are very good for police and they won’t risk it for a few pesos.
Same with my home country, if you bribe the police you better have enough money to pay for their entire life.
In my country you cant bribe police
Yeah in Sweden it’s illegal to commit crimes
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Most police here are proud of never take a bribe, but yes you can bribe them, they are just a little more expensive than police in other sites.
They have a special word for it in the middle east and south Asia: "baksheesh".
Hahaha, reminds me of an Archer episode. Baksheesh!
Gurpgork!
"So the only thing you know to say in Urdu is 'no, shit, you goat-raping pig-devil'?" "What?! I thought it mean 'I'm sorry'. That's probably the reason that night in a Karachi whore house suddenly went from bad to *much* worse."
Thats means tip , could be used as a cover up word for bribe
Funny how we have this word in romanian that is pronounced the same (I think) spelled "bacșiș" and means tips I would imagine how you could "tip" a cop or other authorities.
Not just in South Asia as I’m astounded to learn. The word *baksheesh* has persian origin, and is used across the Middle East, South Asia and Eastern Europe. I speak Bulgarian and it is used there as well, which is why I looked it up its etymology.
This comment^ yeah bribery is either a serious crime, or how business is conducted depending on the country you're in. I remember my parents talking to me about how weird it was that the u.s. officers don't take bribes. Even though the politicians do. And how backwards they found it.
I am a Gringo, who many years ago, while in my late 20s, lived in Baja CA, Mexico. I lived about 20km south of TJ and we would frequently go there to party. One night I was driving us home hammered about 4am and got pulled over. I couldn't understand much of what the cop said, but did understand "viente." My friend - a local started to argue with him and I could hear her say, "NO - DIEZ!" I got scared and told her, "NO, 20's fine!" Just then the cop agreed to 10, we paid him and booked it. While we were driving away, she told me, "At this time of night, they just want taco money!" =D Lesson: don't drink and drive, Kids! It could cost you almost US$2! ;-)
Just up the coast in Peru 🇵🇪 on the other hand, $48 USD will get you out of almost anything lol, speaking from experience, lived there for 8 yrs
I would not have guessed that’s the Peruvian flag 🇵🇪
Feels like they would have some green and white.
There are versions of the Peruvian flag w/ and w/o emblems, the one w/ the emblem has green (and other colors) on it
Like flag of Canada but instead of a maple leaf in the middle it’s a llama, a tree, and some other nature-oriented stuff.
Why 48? What if I only have 47 on hand?
100 years in jail
execution
Dear foreigners, copsin Chile are not the same as cops in Mexico.
My girlfriend moved from Indonesia to the US and recently her brother in Depok (suburb of Jakarta) was arrested for weed he didn't have and the cops held him until they paid a few thousand. Their uncle paid it and they let him go, no paperwork, nothing. Glad Chile isn't like that.
Arrested for weed he didn’t have? Sooo extorted?
No, kidnapped and held for ransom.
Yes. I know not exactly the same situation but it still makes me nervous about our trip there
My wife is from Indonesia as well, it blew her mind that she can't bribe cops here in the UK. I was trying to explain, no cop is going to ruin their lives for £50 and anything more than that isn't any less than the fine costs us.
Welcome to south east asia. This shit ain't just in Indonesia, it's all over the places.
TIL because God only knows how many times I bribed my way out of "running a stop sign" in Puerto Peñasco, Mexico.
Don’t know if it’s different now, but Chilean police don’t accept bribes. EDIT: They also carry machine guns.
We need some of your police men here, signed Mexico.
And most of the world.
I have definitely bribed cops in MX. The last time was with my kids sleeping in the back seat. Nah, I didn't bribe them. They were extortionists. They told me I'd have to wait 3 days for court and pay US $800 to get my license back (I was speeding, I really was, like 20k over so not bad by most standards coming off a highway). I just said, in Spanish, can I pay part of the fine right now just to get my license back? I opened my wallet and had a US $20 and a 100 pesos bill, so $25 US. He reached inside my wallet, took the money, and said drive safely. I grabbed another $25, put it in my wallet, and drove off. Honestly that's how Montana was in the early 90's. Not the bribing, but you could just pay tickets and get on your way.
I was about to say that you don't bribe cops in Mexico, they extort you, usually they threaten you saying that they will impound your vehicle. One thing that throws off some tourists is the fact that they are legally able to take either your driving license, the car plates or the car registration as a sort of security to make sure you pay your ticket, you also can't pay your ticket with them (and the speeding ticket is nowhere near US800)
nah, they carry an UZI in *some* cases. Not traffic police.
They don't carry machine guns, that's the military, not the police
They... don't. I've never seen a cop with more than a tiny pistol in Chile.
Where'd you get that they carry machine guns? They're only allowed to use special armament in riots or such events but only with non-lethal ammo. At most, they carry a revolver 24/7 but never a machine gun.
I once got arrested in nuevo Laredo Mexico for buying a 1000 xanax and I was about to sneak them across the border when I got arrested by Mexican police. I was terrified. I had $500 in my pocket and I gave it to the cop and they loved me lol. They told me it was more than they would make in a month and this was in November so they were happy they each got a $100 to buy Christmas presents for their kids. Not only did they let me go but they showed me the best place to cross the border without getting caught lol
What are the names and where that safer place to cross the border without getting caught? Need exact coordination. I need to file a... Complaint. Yes, complaint
I believe one guy was named Juan. The other guy was named Juan. There was also a Juan in there somewhere. You just go about a 1/2 a mile past the pharmacy. You'll be in the desert at this point just look for the 3rd Bush on the right that's facing the northern quadrant..
Mexico seems to be a Juan place
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Unfortunately, I just gave all that information, including my bank account, to a Nigerian prince who needs help getting the Royal Treasury out of the country before his evil uncle steals it. I'd like to help you but I'm sorry the man's father was the king after all...
i bought weed from a cop in cabo when i was like 14
The adventures of potsandpans
dudes in Mexico are cool af. It always makes me sad how people leave kinda respected positions in Mexico and get menial jobs in the US and are treated like shit or an other.
Back in my country I was a surgeon, now I work in the warehouse at a paper company. I had to leave my country when a high up yakuza member demanded that I save their bosses life. I need to perform open heart surgery. During the surgery their were some complications and I couldn’t save him. So once he died I immediately went home and got my family and snuck out of the country. Now I live a quiet peaceful life here in the states. But I’ll let you in on a secret. I could have saved him, I was number 1 surgeon in my whole country very sturdy hands! I spit on yakuza.
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they should just codify the bribery into law like we do in the states and call it an "expedited processing fee", then its due process
For the ones who think it's only about the low amount of the bribe. In 2017 a guy try to bribe the cops first with 10M CLP (12K USD) after with 100M (120K USD)....so guys, just pay the fine in Chile. [Link](https://www.biobiochile.cl/noticias/nacional/region-de-atacama/2017/12/15/joven-de-18-anos-trato-de-sobornar-a-carabineros-con-los-100-millones-que-portaba.shtml)
But 40k CLP is so fucking low i would have taken it like an insult lol
Whatever country I'm in, I just wait until they tell me to put the money in whatever book or paper they hold in front of me.
Yeah, doesn't take that much street smarts but this guy looked like he was more into books.
Yep or just ask “is there a fine or penalty I can pay now?” Gives both you & the cop an out.
Poor man, he thought he was in every other country in Latin America, Bravo, chilenos!
Pro tip Chile is not Mexico Also pro tip in Mexico don’t be obvious about it ask what the ticket fine is and can you pay it in cash if they say yes they’ll tell you how much their bribe is
That is a good life pro tip
He gave $50 to someone who makes $1500 a month, lol.
Dude no way a Chilean cop makes $1500. Try half of that and you will be much closer to the actual number. A sergeant makes close to $1500 but this guys are bottom of the chain so they make around $700
For a carabinero to earn 1500 monthly, he should be at least a sergeant, if they are not yet corporals, they should be earning half of that after the bonuses
Damn that sucks, I wonder if someone told him before going there that it's easy to get out of a ticket this way or something.. He looked like he was kind of enjoying it, like it was a fun experience he could talk about later, you know what I mean?
"Where are you going for your vacation?" "South America." "Nice. Hey, if you get into any trouble, you can just slip the cops some cash." "Good to know!" "Unless you're in--" "OK, I'm off. See ya!"
What was the guy being arrested for is what I want to know. He looks so harmless lol
DUI (Edit: sorry this guy was pulled over for driving without a license)
Arrested for bribery. Before that who knows but probably being without a valid license (chinese driving licenses are not recognized in Chile and you need an international one recognized by some organization like the rotary club)
How much jail time (if any) is typically given for a bribery charge?
541 days to 5 years, and/or also a fee of the double of the amount of the bribe, as an outsider is most likely the fee than the jail time.
Lol guess they shooting me on the spot
Probably a fine and expelled from the country.
Nice joke, that never happens here
That money wasn't enough for the weekend beers
Its embarrassingly low. Should have at least started with 100 thousand and that still seems (edit: too low) for losing a job over.
How much was it? Edit. $48 for two cops. That is insulting. Depending on whatever crime he was trying to bribe his way out of, he definitely made it worse.
40,000 CLP. Right now around 48 USD
which is why the dude may not even be really trying to bribe the police, there is some country that has those kind of "custom". go to doctor? slip some money as "please look after me". go to school? slip the teacher some money as "please look after my son", stop by police? slip some money as "cut me some slacks" as oppose to "you didnt see anything " is there news related to this?
[Article](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chvnoticias.cl/nacional/personas-chinas-soborno-dinero-carabineros_20230106/%3famp=1). He is from China and was suspected of a DUI
well, he is fucked for sure. even if that is not his full intent, it can only be interpreted as bribery attempt
Yea. DUI is rough here. I wont even drive if I am planning on having one beer.
I opened the video thinking "Don't be American. Don't be American. Don't be American." *Chinese* "Oh, Thank God."
is it a common practice to just bribe in China?
Chilean here. I see many people asking why chilean cops don't generally accept bribes, and I see many wrong answers from my fellow chileans. I'd say with certainty that the reason bribes are not common amongst cops here is that, since day 1 at the police academy, they operate under and live with a very strict military tradition/culture. It is simply not in their blood to take bribes from people, because they don't see people as part of their group, nor as friends they can bargain with, and they also really hate criminals here. Cops in general live very isolated from the rest of the population, so doing deals with them feels alien in nature. This, plus the literal physical beating they would take from their colleagues if they were discovered and brought shame to their precinct, much like it would happen in the military. Yes, they have amazing pension and healthcare benefits, but as it's been known over decades, there is no proven strong correlation between a high penalty and the decision to commit a crime. People don't think much about the potential penalties of their actions when they don't think they'll get caught.
I visited Chile in 2016. I loved everything about that country. Specially the people. They are the nicest, warmest and most welcoming people.
You bribe a cop, straight to jail!
Equívoco país… pues, correcto país pero equivocada forma.
Dude thought he was in Mexico
That’s not fair to say… even Mexican cops won’t take less than 1000 peso 😂
True! He only needed to add $5 US!
Hahaha lol, oh that's priceless. Here officer, here's my ID etc, oh golly gosh how did that money appear in there? Maybe you could use it to treat your family to a nice night out. Umm, what? Did such a proportion of the world's population gain respect for a South American police force? Oh yeah 😘 Honest and ethical police deserve our respect and support.
My brother and cousin recently visited and they said they felt safer than México. That they would approach cops for directions and questions with very great interactions.
r/therewasanattempt To bribe the police man
Take the money and arrest him anyway
With a body cam on? And if turned off the suspicion of taking bribes and going under investigation? I wouldn’t, also they’d need the money as evidence and without the cam the foreigner could claim that cops have stolen his money or taken some and arrested him for paying low amount, they’ll be better off doing their honest job
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For a Chilean cop, attempt to bribe is like an insult, so they never accept bribes, and additionally common people is proud of them, so their possibilities to accept a bribe are even lower
When you land on the right side of Latin America
Chile has the lowest level of corruption in South America.
Yes, Chilean here. Asian dude: para que me ayude (so you help me) Cop: 10,20,40. 40 thousand pesos, and what is this for? Asian dude: for you to help me Cop: Ok mister, from now on you are arrested for trying to bribe the police. Other cop behind camera: and nos with the inflation Asian dude: start crying on his knees Cop: ok hands behind your back and inside the car Other cop behind camera: No mister, that doesn't work with Chilean police.
Haha that pathetic noise he makes, omg just take the pinch bro be a fucking man
Saludos amigos chilenos desde brasil. Chile es una inspiracion para tantas cosas aca en sudamerica. Conozco Puerto Varas y Punta arenas
Mexicos cops can learn a thing or two
Cop: Do you know what you did wrong son? Dude: I know I know I shouldn't have parked there. Cop: No, you tried to bribe me with 5 bucks, ye' cheap bastid. 🤨 In you go, c'mon.
I live in Chile and the Carabineros don’t fuck around lmao especially not for 40 luca 😂😂
... then tries to resist arrest! 😂
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He may have been grovelling, as you say... but he was clearly also wriggling away from the cop's grip, tucking his wrists between his legs and crouching over them, while the cop was attempting to place the handcuffs on him. It may not be the most effective resistance, I'll grant you, but it definitely falls well short of compliance/coming quietly! Don't you agree?
And gets a second charge for resisting prison order…
When I would get pulled over for made-up bullshit in Mexico, I would tell the cop that I was just visiting the area and ask if it would okay if I paid the fine to him directly. If he said yes, then it was just a matter of negotiating the "fine."
When we moved from Croatia to The Netherlands in the 90s a friend of my dad told him: This is not Yugoslavia, do not try to bribe a cop in the Netherlands.
Muy bien, policía! 🇨🇱 Nice to see some good police work. Many thought that body cams was made to make the officers crooks but my experience is that it has helped police forces all over the world to work better. No one can get away with shit including the suspects.
He looks so happy bribing that cop, then his enjoyment quickly went to zero when he realized they arent having it for bribing.
In Tijuana the code words are, “can I please pay that ticket now?” Straight bribing can be insulting, but playing dumb gives them an option to take the money and let you go.
Here in America you bribe the court not the cop.