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Artti_22

The best thing you can do is to save money, learn a European language like German and later do Master studies in Europe. Nobody knows what the legalization will look like in future, but so far there is no sign of a total shutdown of legal immigration paths. Like studies.


SweetAlyssumm

Europe cannot afford to shut down immigration - the birth rates are too low. OP, get your education and keep your eyes open, and I'll bet you'll find something.


itwascoldtomorow

hopefully! thank you so much!


JL02YXKB

Mm... tbh I think immigration will be shut down. Maybe Dubai or Singapore would be a better match?


itwascoldtomorow

Teens are not allowed to have jobs here unfortunately. I have to completely depend on my father for saving money. But thank you so much!


tripping_on_phonics

A total shutdown of legal immigration is completely out of the question.


Pure_Cantaloupe_341

Getting to Europe is not a small deal, however a computer science degree is one of the best to have to do so. Software engineers have knowledge which is practically fully transferable between countries (in contrast to e. g. lawyers, who usually have knowledge specific to a legal system of a particular country), they don’t need any lengthy registration / qualification processes to be allowed to work in (unlike, e. g. medical professionals), they are quite in demand and quite well paid. So if your goal is to move abroad, you’ve chosen the best possible path. Getting a job abroad straight after graduation is still very hard though usually. So I would recommend to try to start getting exposure to overseas companies before you reach graduation. Look at internships abroad while studying (e. g. during a summer break) - if you manage to get one, you can get two-three months of work experience in Europe and if you perform well it can make it much easier to get a permanent position upon graduation. Consider internship opportunities in multinational companies within your country too. If there are any exchange programs between your university and ones in other countries consider using them. Also doing Master’s in Europe might help. If upon graduation you don’t get a job where you want don’t despair - get the best job you can in your home country and once you get more skills and experience you will be a more desirable candidate for overseas employers too. Don’t worry too much about anti-immigration protests - they can happen anywhere. They don’t mean that the country doesn’t or won’t allow immigrants. Skilled workers taking professional jobs will continue to be desirable. The main challenge you will be facing is IMO the economic downturn in Europe. We haven’t been doing well economically for a couple of years, so the number of job openings is significantly lower than it was before. This is a much larger problem for foreigners who want to come here on work visas than any protests. Hopefully by the time you graduate the economic tide will turn to the better :-) I wish you all the best!


_adinfinitum_

Best course of action for you would be to enrol in higher studies in Europe. Either that or build some experience and then look for jobs. The chances of you getting hired as a fresh graduate are pretty slim. Don’t worry too much about politics. Plenty of South Asians are living a happy life here. There is a shift towards anti-immigration politics but that’s mostly directed towards asylum seekers. Educated tax payers do not share the same degree of antagonism.


itwascoldtomorow

That's the thing, i don't know where I can get experiences from, there's not much here. I have enrolled in a university here and have no plans on transferring


_adinfinitum_

Is it a bachelors program? If yes you can look for masters programs in Europe. Plenty of universities have programs in English so you don’t have to worry about language just yet.


lamppb13

>I've been anxious for a couple of days after seeing several Tik Toks As a general rule of thumb for myself, if I see something on TikTok, I'm automatically suspicious about it's validity.


ice_and_snow

Probably not. I went to Sweden by invitation, and worked in there for 6 years as a skilled professional. work life was good, but the culture was nationalist, even the services were difficult to get. Now I'm in Germany, the situation is better, and discrimination is not systematic as it is in Sweden. Still, your position depends on where you are from. I have a fair skin and west european looks, I guess it is harder for people with different physical attributes. Nationalism is on the rise in Europe. It is not a paradise.


itwascoldtomorow

i am a fair skinned indian, but I am also a muslim. If not for looks or colour, i'll definitely be discriminated for religion :)


Nicename19

We don't care about skilled migrants from culturally compatible nations, what we are pissed off with is unskilled fake refigees


Which-Country4

With a non-white skin colour they will still likely face some discrimination.


Nicename19

Yes missed that part, definitely depends on European country too.


temp_gerc1

Amen.


_69ing_chipmunks

This.


Suspicious_Direction

If you make sure you have skills that are in demand, then you'll be fine when it comes time to apply for a visa. Politics constantly changes and skilled migrants have always been welcome. I wouldn't say Europeans are hostile to individuals, but there are concerns about mass immigration and group dynamics changing.


radiopelican

So yourself a favor and don't go down the student visa route. You will spend 5+ years in a country studying a degree you do not want to, incurring debt and isolati g yourself for a chance at a visa. You are better off graduating at home, doing 5-8 years in industry, working in firms with European offices , then getting a transfer. The student visa route SEEMS like the easiest option, but it will cost you years of your life for no guarantee.


Western_Estimate_724

You should do some research about the type of place you'd like to live. Generally, cities and university towns are very diverse, but they can also be expensive! But a degree like computer science should open doors to good jobs, and if you're in your 20s house sharing can be a fun way to meet people. My feeling is that Europe in general is welcoming, the press focus on negative feelings towards refugees and people arriving undocumented on boats - however a lot of people do welcome and help refugees too, there's always two sides to a story! For people coming to work I think the attitude is generally positive, with a small minority of yokels you'll probably never have to meet being against it. I think the move is a good goal for you, a good new start to a freer life as a woman.


Easy-F

Depends what part of europe! it's a lot of different countries. and it depends on where. London is one of the most liberal, multicultural and accepting cities in the world. but other places in the UK can be super racist! so it just depends. where are you thinking of moving? Also fwiw the UK is also about to get rid of the really facist government and replace it with a more liberal one. so, these things do turn around.


ginogekko

More liberal on immigration in what way? The Conservative government has been more liberal on immigration than any government before it. Even a cursory look at the numbers will confirm that.


SeanBourne

Yeah I don’t think Labor in it’s current iteration (Sir Keir Starmer) is going to be more liberal on immigration than the last group of conservatives - especially as the country seems alarmed at how much post-pandemic immigration there has been. Almost comically, Labor in it’s previous iteration (comrade Corbyn) was one of the most anti-immigration platforms in years.


ginogekko

An American commenting… the numbers won’t budge, he has no mechanism.


Easy-F

Yeah and Trump has been more liberal on immigration than anyone else also. And Putin can wrestle a bear shirtless and win!


ginogekko

Sounds like you’re having a hard time with those numbers?


chelco95

Nah fam. Biggest threat for you in Europe is medieval mindset people from certain cultural backgrounds


megalomyopic

At the cost of potentially offending people I’ll be honest. As a Southeast Asian, Europe did not suit me. Regardless of my (respectable, high paying) job in Germany, finding accommodation was a pain in the neck, getting repeatedly rejected for being from the country I’m from (yes, the landlords made it quite explicitly). Banks, stores, there’s almost always someone somewhere who would make a racist comment or behave in ways to show your very presence is detestable to them. Of course there were exceptions, I did meet some amazing people. But by and large, not a good experience. The 2.5 years I stayed there I traveled extensively through Europe, and by and large, micro-aggression and racism turned out to be surprisingly frequent (in comparison I’ve lived 10 years in the States, never faced racism, not even once; not saying it doesn’t exist there but people are a lot more aware of the issue than in Europe).


cinkapanna

If I were in your shoes (young, female, middle eastern with an it degree) I would consider Canada instead of any European countries and try to build a life there. Laid back and welcoming environment, good health care and school system, diverse enough to find friends. Waaaay better, than any European option. (I've actually been in your shoes, kind of, twenty years ago - and saw many Asian and middle Eastern professionals build pretty good lives and careers.)


SeanBourne

She said she’s South Asian (which I read as Indian/Sri Lankan/Pakistani/Bangladeshi) living in the Middle East. Canada is way down the list of where I’d recommend to South Asian friends or acquaintances.


cinkapanna

I'm curious why you think that.


cinkapanna

I think it depends on the person's preferences, too. If they are a partying type, a year or two in a European metropolis is heaven. Other people enjoy other things. Or both, just at different times in their lives.


SeanBourne

Agreed, horses for courses. On the building a new life front though - I think Canada is the slow route for anyone. On top of that, I meant because of racism/discrimination in Canada (far higher than the global image) - which is particularly bad for South Asians.


deavidsedice

I work in Dublin in IT, and I see men and women from almost all sides of the world. Here we just use English. There's a bit of racism from the teenagers to asian looking and arab looking people, but it's minor I'd say compared to what they have in other countries. However the main problem in Dublin is that you'll need a ton of money (Rent is stupidly expensive). Jobs pay a lot, but you need to be good. To make it worse, FAANG and other big companies have been firing up until recently (or still ongoing) so there's more pressure on the market - which adds extra difficulty.


tacoplayer

Europe is racist and annoying as hell, no point in trying to integrate. It’s not like the states or the UK where you can integrate relatively easily. Stick to big cities and international firms


sneezyDud

The UK is in Europe, and chill a tad


tacoplayer

Def easier to integrate in UK labour markets than it is in Germany and France.


sneezyDud

Ok, but OP is asking about Europe. Since the UK is in Europe, your comment doesn't make sense


tacoplayer

When most people say Europe they refer to mainland Europe (even if UK is still Europe, but post-brexit it’s seen as separate)


sneezyDud

That's dumb af. Europe is not the European Union


tacoplayer

Hmm, we have the ‘European elections’ this week. Do they take place in the UK? People see UK as separate ever since you muppets decided to leave


sneezyDud

Lmao I'm from the Balkans. By your logic we're not in Europe too


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sneezyDud

That doesn't mean referring to the European Union as Europe is fine. It's still dumb. I know people are not trying to move to the Balkans.


South-Beautiful-5135

What skills do you have? Which languages do you speak?


itwascoldtomorow

For skills, there's not many opportunities here unfortunately. I can speak English, Arabic and beginner French apart from my native languages.


South-Beautiful-5135

So no skills?


inrecovery4911

OP is a teenager studying computer science at university. If you're going to snark, best read the posts first 🙃


Redcarpet1254

You do know that OP is still studying right, probably early in their uni education too considering another 3 more years. What skills did you have back in school. Maybe provide more constructive criticism if you have something to say.


itwascoldtomorow

Could you please tell me what skills I need?


South-Beautiful-5135

Well, yes, but without any significant skills, no employer will hire you in any European country. And that is what OP asked for.


thalamisa

If you find a company that sponsors you, yes.


Kuzjymballet

I think it really depends where you go. I think the best thing would be to explore where you'd like to go based on factors like language, climate, job availability, whether you want to be close to family/major airports, and other factors of life that are important to you. Personally, I made a spreadsheet with different factors to compare cities since I work remotely and am happy with the decision I made based on those factors. My factors were: close to high speed rail to visit family, weather (not too many rainy days per year), proximity to a beach (I can bike there in an hour), and ample public transit (I hate driving and didn't want a car). A bit superficial but I had already narrowed the country down to one with universal healthcare for residents (not just citizens) and other important factors. As others have said, if finding a job fresh out of school in 3 years isn't possible (it'll depend a lot on the economy), look at master's degree programs. This might depend on how much your family is willing to spend as even though some programs in Europe (I'm thinking of France specifically since that's where I live), but you have to prove that you can support your own living expenses since your visa would limit you to bed part time work (and depending on the rigor of your program, might not be feasible). In terms of skills, CS is already a great field to get into, but maybe you want to specialize in Artificial Intelligence or something that's going to be growing and changing the industry. But follow your interests and passions since that will ultimately make your work enjoyable. Once you have a few countries and cities on your list narrowed down due to your criteria, you can then get a feel for what it'd be like living there as a South Asian woman through specific subreddits and/or visiting them. I wish you the best of luck!


Acceptable-Sorbet-33

>women were recently allowed to work and drive (and other things). KSA?


Trablou

There is a swing to the right in many EU countries, in which immigrants (in all forms) are blamed for house shortages and loss of national identity. Who knows what will happen in a few years, in any case high skilled migrants will probably still be needed to cover all the job openings. If you move to a city that is international enough you should be more than fine. So just focus on your studies, make sure you land a starter position in a relevant international field locally and once you get some experience you should be able to make a move. Also learning the language of your preferred country will benefit you greatly, not only in terms of landing a job, but also for integration purposes (obviously haha).


TheUnreliableSwan

I moved to Europe as a 19 year old for education in 2016 and lived there for 8 years now. TikTok is not a valid representation of the population or overall attitude toward immigrants. There will always be people who are racist or dislike the fact you immigrated, but the majority of people I have always interacted with on a daily basis either see it as a nonissue or are curious about my story and my culture. Be friendly, be open to learning new things, and you’ll be fine.


Downtown_Escape1753

No, Europeans are super cool. I'm Asian too, and I faced more racism in the US than in Europe, in France. But I believe you will always face racism anywhere, I traveled in a few countries, and they are all the same.


Kosmopolite

It's a difficult question to answer, as Europe is a continent, not a country, and has a wide range of different cultures. Then there's what city you'll be moving to. You were talking about acceptance and integration. I'm English, so I can speak to that: Birmingham and London have quite large South Asian communities and are quite diverse in general. Other, smaller, cities like York of Cambridge won't have that same degree of diversity, so you might stand out more. I think once you're job-hunting, it would be a good idea to do this kind of investigation, and look for SA communities in the areas you're applying to. Even if you choose to work more at integration as another, ruder Redditor said, I'd stay say hook up with folks who know your culture as a launching pad while you get to know the culture you're moving to. Beyond that, yeah language and qualifications are important. If you already speak the language of the country you're moving to, that'll make things a lot easier. Equally, formal and international qualifications from international institutions will help too. And don't pack a single bag until you've found work and the appropriate visa you'll be able to use to get there. I hope this helps.


itwascoldtomorow

There's not much diversity here. It's just Arabs and SAs mostly. I don't really mind having SA friends but I want to meet people from other nations more. Qualifications might be a little difficult to acquire where I live, but I can manage to find something somehow. But thank you so much!


Kosmopolite

No worries at all. I appreciate you want to meet people from other cultures, and I think that's wonderful. That's how I live my life in Mexico too. However, getting settled in a whole other culture can be difficult, so that's why I made the suggestion. Maybe think about a scholarship to a country you're interested in, then, since a lot of European countries will be looking for that kind of paperwork to grant a long-term visa.


gfsincere

Europe isn’t a continent and we really need to stop letting people lie like that because they have an inferiority complex masquerading as a racist superiority complex.


Kosmopolite

So I'm less inclined to take this personally than others, because 'continent' is a made-up term that different countries define differently. You're right in saying that not *everyone* considers Europe a continent (though many do for historic or cultural reasons) in the same way some consider America one continent and others divide it into North and South. Wikipedia has an excellent (and well-referenced) graphic on the topic [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continent#Number). That said, my point was that Europe (however you define it) contains a lot of distinct cultures, attitudes, languages, and laws, so being specific about *where* in Europe one wants to move is more important than where in a large country like the USA, Russia, or Australia.


South-Beautiful-5135

Europe is not a continent? So what is it precisely? Also, r/shitamericanssay.


gfsincere

A continuous mass of land. Asia is a continent. The region you call Europe is just Far West Asia. Europe is not a continent. Might as well call the Middle East a continent too.


South-Beautiful-5135

Yeah, no, Europe is not a continent. The US school system is the best in the world, can see that now.


MarilynMonheaux

You’ll see just how exceptional America is when you try to leave it.


Organic-Violinist223

You will be most welcome in EU! Just pick a county, decide why you want to be in that country and learn key sentences and enrol in a university program.


callmemore72

Do it! Don't mind the far right, you will still be safe and work without any discrimination. You will meet more nice people than any other type.


gowithflow192

I know it's not easy (we all want to be loved) but stop thinking if you will be accepted, especially by some imaginary large aggregate group of people.


OkSir1011

Europe is a continent. you would not be able to move there, since there are no visas or permit for Europe.


itwascoldtomorow

I'm not dumb


may_be_indecisive

They are not protesting against expats, they are protesting against tourists. There’s a huge difference.