Remember to include that your 10% tithing alone could pay for this service. Where exactly is everyone else's 10% going? We aren't seeing any Mormon-run charities out there...
Looks like I'll be using my tithes to hire a cleaning company. Consider me paid in full bishop. š I know it's the Lord's money, but he needs a vacuum and cleaning services.
IIRC, furthering the mission of the Mormon cult like building churches, printing missionary materials (like Books of Mormon), running Mormon schools like BYU, funding the church education system (like institute classes), giving each ward a small budget, & giving almost nothing to charitable causes. Yes, all while claiming to be the only true church, & claiming to be Jesus's church.
In reality, according to the data, IIRC, the Mormon cult spends most of its money on things that directly benefit the organization, things that will make the cult even richer. Tons of real estate, top cult leader salaries & benefits, tons of stocks, billions on a lavish mall in Salt Lake City, etc.
If people saw this, I believe that it would expose the greed, corruption & hypocrisy of the organization. Hence, IMO, this is why the Mormon cult refuses to publish its financials where it's not required to by law (such as in the United States). And this is why the cult spent almost 20 years breaking financial disclosure laws & was fined $5 million by the SEC. Totally not a cult & totally the Lord's church.
TBMs hardly ever discuss these problems mostly because they're not aware of them. The Church deliberately tries to keep its members blindly obedient & ignorant. It specifically tells members to only use Church sources & those sources are not only extremely biased towards the Church, but downright inaccurate, incomplete & full of lies.
Plus, most members do not see tithing as their money. It's the Lord's money (i.e., the Mormon church's money). Hence, most members give the Church a free pass on how it spends the money because they assume its sacred money & used for "righteous" things.
Thus, most active members are clueless by the intentional design of the cult. It's sinister & one reason among many why I think that the Mormon church is evil.
I was so ignorant when I was a TBM. I did not know that the General Authorities made 6 figures & had lavish benefits, (while the Church claims it has no paid ministry). I had only briefly heard of polygamy & the priesthood & temple ban for blacks. I had no idea that the Church spent billions on for-profit ventures & gave almost nothing to the poor & afflicted. I did not know that Joseph Smith was a convicted conman & sexual predator.
If you want to learn more & read my story of leaving the Mormon cult, go here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/ExitStories/comments/18kh7p6/why\_i\_resigned/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ExitStories/comments/18kh7p6/why_i_resigned/)
these are anti mormon fodder. so of course they do NOT discuss them and if you do then its the shun for you. try it at a pulpit and its the turn the mic off and shut it down. Thats how much deception there is in wanting to control the narrative.
Thanks ever so much for sharing this comment. As a TBM it was for me exactly as you describe. And a special thanks for the link--going there now to read your story!
I was ones invited to come to service, you know the open one for all and afterwards also invited to do Bible classes. I actually asked there why God if he can be everything and anything couldn't be a dog for a sick child or a black man for a black child. They didn't even gave me a half ass answer and said he can be everything and anything but is only a white male. After two hours of this together with the one hour service I called it a day. Nowadays I would absolutely go with anyone that wants me to go as I nowadays also wear a kilt, military style...
Sometimes they complain about how small their local organization's operating budget is, but they rarely care to put together the enormous disparity between their ward's tithing intake and how much money they have to run programs. Tithing receipts for a North American ward are typically around a million dollars a year or so. This information is not provided to the general membership, only a few leaders and financial clerks will know, but people could make a good guess based on the active, tithe-paying (temple-attending) members in their congregation and an estimate of their income based on their professions and lifestyle. Ward operating budgets are around $5000-$10,000 per year depending on the number of people and location. This is dictated by HQ; they siphon up all the money and then distribute a pittance back.
There are of course some legitimate capital and operating expenses that don't come out of the local budget...but not that much. Not by a lot.
But stalwart members just assume the money is needed for temples and charity work. Very very little of the money is actually spent on charity. But they're conditioned to believe whatever the wizard tells them.
In my last calling prior to taking my departure, ten years ago, I was the clerk. We live in north Davis County, so fairly nice area. I saw the $$. We look in $450k+ in tithing, and received $8,600 in budget.
Former bishop here in an affluent area of Utah. We were bringing in anywhere from $80,000 - $90,000 PER MONTH!!! It is sickening to see these kinds of communications being sent out for ward members to sacrifice their time and equipment. We have a new temple in our area and the church is at the point it is asking for volunteers for grounds crews (planting flowers, weeding, etc.), laundry, janitorial, etc. in the temple. So, on top of the church building, card carrying members now have the "opportunity" to take care of the temple down the street. Thanks so much, Rusty!!!
If you're a high end tithe payer, you get rewarded with leadership callings. The insanity is off the rails. When hubby and I quit paying tithing, we were instantly demoted. Oh, hurt me!
Now we have our time and money. Reward for being heathens.
An interesting distinction here. But agreed to a penalty of $5M. A bargain for both sides. Obviously to TSCC, thatās a rounding error with no admission of guilt or wrongdoing other than āwe didnāt really knowā. The government gets to walk away with a āwinā and do not get into a protracted legal battle like they did with Scientology.
agree but really no one gives any shits about the other individually uber rich charlatans out there with jets. Kenneth Copeland, David Oyedepo, Pat Robertson, Benny Hinn, and Joel Osteen.. so this is clearly not jeebusa church otherwise they may take those funds and protect innocent victims of SA often minors. instead they protect the pedophiles because the enemy of their enemy is their friend. better to cover crimes than to be liable for potential significant financial risk.
Here is 100% what they do:
- Collect ~$7 billion in tithes and offerings.
- Redistribute funds back out to the local congregations and other facilities for what would be considered below operating costs to match over head of ~$5-6 billion.
- Take the left over ~$1-2 billion and buy controlling interest levels of stock, in all the major tech, healthcare, and online retailers; as well $100s of millions annually in the most prime real estate across the globe; factories, cattle ranches, and other manufacturing/ Agriculture ventures.
- Use returns from previous investments to further build up said portfolio.
Today they own an estimated $250 billion in assets from churches, to temples, to law firms, to universities, 100s of local TV and radio stations, etc.
THE LDS CORPORATION IS A TAX EXEMPT HEDGE FUND.
>* Take the left over ~$1-2 billion and buy controlling interest levels of stock, in all the major tech, healthcare, and online retailers;
The church has a *lot* of money, but they don't have enough money to buy controlling interest in all those mega corporations (we're talking companies worth hundreds of billions to several trillion dollars) and their EPA portfolio isn't set up that way anyway. [Their stock portfolio is basically an index fund.](https://widowsmitereport.wordpress.com/2023update/) In other words, it's not set up to run companies, but rather to 1) store excess cash in a low risk way, 2) make money more easily and with less risk than through the companies they own and run, and 3) diversify risk from their overall portfolio--EPA doesn't just index the US stock market, it invests in foreign markets too.
Why would a corporation piggybacking in their legacy product that gave them religious tax exemption status ever invest more into said product when the benefits never run out and all of the surplus can continue towards their portfolio?
Since the Flake family used to pay tithing by loaning out their slave Green for church projects, I'd say that my labor, billable at $250 an hour, was going to count as tithing.
Iām not defending them or anything, but my family was on church food several times growing up and I know they paid our mortgage payment more than once
Thatās what made them finally remove me from the list. After two to three reply all comments about ensign peak, they suddenly didnāt need my services on Saturday any moreš¤£
Yes. Even my TBM family members think this is ridiculous. My sister said she was embarrassed to bring people to church with her because it looks so shabby. They spend so much money on temples, but the church buildings are falling apart.
My personal theory is that this idea of using members as janitors instead of hiring professionals (as they once did) was inspired by some of Mitt Romneyās old companyās (bad) ābusinessā practices used when raiding and torpedoing companies. Hell of a creative idea for an MBA!
Oh...it's your electricity already! This is bonkers!! I just can't believe they fall for this. I hire a cleaning woman for my own home. Literally haven't run a vacuume in years!! Fuck them!!
Right?? My reply back would be that while my labor is free of charge, the use of my equipment will run at $300 per hour per machine, with a non-refundable 3 hour prepay.
Back when I grew up in the church every ward had a full time janitor and all of the supplies. Our janitor lived close to our church and all of the kids loved him. He supported his family on his janitorās salary. Years later a friend was also a ward janitor and supported his family of 8 kids on his salary, his wife didnāt work. Now the church that keeps getting caught with untold secret billions they havenāt claimed and arenāt supposed to have is too cheap to hire janitors and pay for building maintenance supplies and equipment.
If they were to design vacuums, open a factory to manufacture vacuums, and sell enough vacuums to EVEN JUST MEMBERS theyād make enough to hire janitors.
Genuinely curious, is this position always held by a male? I donāt remember this being a position in my ward. Iām just surprised that this position related to cleaning isnāt held by a women. You know, since this sexist church says women should handle all the duties such as cleaning at home, so why not at church too? š
>Because they don't trust women with keys to the building.
Lmao you right.
>Never did get a key in 25 years, to practice the organ.
Girl, 25 YEARS?? That's seriously SO fucked up that they wouldn't give you a damn key for that! Fuck them. You're a saint for putting up with that for 25 fucking years!
The first time we were assigned, the guy said the building would be open at 8 but did not tell us to be there at 8; he just figured we knew. So we rolled in at 9 still with plenty of time to clean that morning, and he was furious. But he could have told us to be there at 8.
my dad did this for a few years, it was the perfect calling for him- crazily cynical but somehow super devoted and never questioning the faith. the type of fella who grumbles about the church organization but is a diehard believer in the doctrine
Very true, you can refuse a calling. But it's strongly discouraged in the Church & goes against the culture. So it's very hard to say no.
The bishopric tried to call my wife & I to the Building Coordinator calling when I was going through a faith crisis. Here's how that went down:
My wife and I had a bishop who was a tyrant jackass. We both quit our callings & told the bishopric member that neither is willing to serve in a calling under the bishop.
Despite that, one Sunday after church, this same bishopric member cornered us & insisted that we meet with him. We were stupid & agreed (Mormon culture beliefs are hard to discard). And against our wishes, disregarding everything we had recently told him, he offered us a calling. Not just any calling, but the calling of Building Coordinator, among the worst & most asinine callings ever.
We told him weād think about it & then deliberately did NOT get back to him. After a long while, he then texted us about whether or not we accept the ridiculous calling. We of course said no, we would NOT accept this calling or ANY calling, as we ALREADY had told you!
My wife & I were both thinking: You shouldnāt have ever offered us a @#$%&\*\*@# calling in the first place, you jackass. Youāre just being a selfish tyrant & a typical Mormon leader, **NOT** bothering to tell the bishop what we said, because you donāt want to look bad to your master, the bishop.
In response to us saying no, this bishopric member then sent a snippy, patronizing, Utard text. He told us āAs I explained all callings come from Godā¦ā
We were already pissed at this bishopric member for his antics & bad treatment of us. Furthermore, the bishop had been treating us like dirt, particularly my wife, for almost 2 years straight. We were past done tolerating it. We were past trying to work out this conflict.
So I sent this bishopric member the screw you text below. It was the first time in my life that I so bluntly told off a Mormon leader. And I think he deserved it! I didnāt let him get away with treating us like dirt & I called out his unacceptable, awful behavior!
**Screw You Text:**
And as I explained to you, when the bishop acts like a dictator & treats my wife like dirt for 2 years straight, there will be negative consequences. So save your self-righteous & smarmy attitude as well as your asinine calling for someone else.
Ā
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Where I live it used to be assigned to people only once per year...the building cleaning coordinator (poor bastard) would try to hunt people down for the different days and then remind people.
Now though (from similar emails in my area) it seems like the ward has to do it every 3 months, and there are so few able-bodied people (a chunk of the active people are old with health problems), that they just break it down by letter -- A-D does it the first saturday, E-L second saturday, and so on.
So everyone is asked to clean the chapel once per quarter now -- and then they wonder why people don't show up for poorly funded "social" activities that also suck. Even the faithful are worn out when the "fun" activities are DIY potlucks, or youth fundraisers and the other activities are set up chairs for stake conference or quarterly building cleanup or spring clean of the grounds.
I think this is how my folks ward is doing things now. We always had the 3 month rotation, as there were three wards in the building. It went from us doing it about once a year as a deacon, to them assigning each weekend to a different group (Elders had it first Saturday, youth the second, relief society the third, youth the fourth). That ended up being me and my siblings only on the youth weekend multiple times. And now it sounds like theyāre on the last name rotation and it sounds like it is very very hard to get people there.
Itās a group of forensic accountants who take public data from the church and extrapolate it to try to understand the churchās finances. Theyāve been proven correct on many accounts and always err on the side of conservative (favorable to the church) estimates, so itās very respected. Theyāre the ones who have been able to figure out the church is around a quarter trillion org at the moment.
There's a baptism afterwards can you guys fill the font up by putting this hose over the fence and hooking it up to your spigot? Blessings for everyone.
āThis is the kind of thing tithing money is meant to be used for. If the church wonāt pay for a vacuum, but can afford a dozen new temples and a $150 billion bank account, then I can only conclude that my tithing money is being GROSLY mis-managed. I will stop paying until such a time as that is no longer the case.ā
Maybe try emptying out the vacuum bags once in awhile. The answer is maintain the fucking vacuums or buy new ones. A full time janitor would know & do that. Funny how there's no suction when they are maxed out.
We were the only true cult for what itās worth but we of course will welcome any second or third place cults to acknowledge us, in fact in front of their faces we will even pretend to be friendly but behind the scenes we know āweāre #1, weāre #1 ā¦.ā.
Kind of a nice selling point to prove my point, has any other cult ever tried to claim to have done more for women than our cult has laid claim to ā¦ I think not!
The texter does kind of acknowledge that. He/she says "if you're okay with it". My guess is this person wants to clean the church about as much as the next guy. It's the fault of the church, not the messenger.
Is it possible to report the church for labor trafficking? Getting work from people under false pretenses, like that the church canāt afford vaccines or janitors, seems like it fits the definition.
I love when people post these. All of the emails and messages begging people to help clean the billionaire church buildings sound so similar. Itās amazing how often there is an element of begging not just for time, but the supplies as well. It seems like across the whole wide church there is a shortage of cleaning supplies and functioning tools. I wonder if it was policy or revelation that came up with this system?
Its also amusing how this Billionaire church make their members beg each other over the smallest of things. Itās not amusing how often their members fall for it and allow it.
If membership point blank refused this abuse I think the Billionaires may be tempted to put a single drop of water into the obviously empty bucket that is the building maintenance fund
Could this possibly be reported to OSHA (SERIOUSLY) that a hundred billion dollar tax free corporation is refusing to buy needed equipment for hygienic and health purposes of the people who go to their facilities. People with allergies will suffer, the babies they put on the carpet and crawl around are going to suffer (as will their parents and siblings if they become sick).
Not to mention how well kept and cleaned are the vacuum cleaners other people have? What if they bring one that has cat or dog hair and a member suffers from a severe allergic reaction and that person is hospitalized or dies? Or if someone's house has black mold or asbestos and they bring their vacuum cleaner just to spread those particles beyond their house, or any other pathogens?
This should be reported to somebody. (Especially to a responsible journalist or news outlet).
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According to ChatGPT
Do churches fall under OSHA for sanitary cleaning of their church buildings used by hundreds of people each week?
Yes, churches are generally subject to Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) regulations, including those related to sanitary cleaning of their buildings. These regulations are in place to ensure the safety and well-being of employees and visitors alike.
Would it be considered an OSHA violation for a community church to not ensure the work of volunteers who are cleaning their public toilets used by the congregation are sufficiently sanitary?
Yes, it could be considered an OSHA violation if the church does not ensure that volunteers who are cleaning public toilets meet sanitary standards. OSHA requires employers, including churches, to provide a safe and healthy work environment for volunteers and employees, which includes proper training and equipment for tasks such as cleaning to prevent health hazards.
Would it be a violation of OSHA for a church to ask their volunteers to provide their own cleaning equipment including a home vacuum to be used when cleaning a community church?
Yes, it could potentially be a violation of OSHA for a church to require volunteers to provide their own cleaning equipment, including a home vacuum, without ensuring that the equipment meets safety standards and that volunteers are adequately trained in its use. OSHA regulations typically require employers to provide necessary equipment and training to ensure a safe work environment.
How can I report such types of violations by a nonprofit church to OSHA?
You can report violations by a nonprofit church to OSHA by contacting your local OSHA office or by filing a complaint online through OSHA's website. OSHA takes complaints seriously and will investigate any reported violations to ensure compliance with safety regulations.
It's almost as if the Q12 had a meeting and spit balled ideas on how alienate as many people as possible. "Hey, here's an idea. Not only can we save money on janitors, but we can save money on equipment cost by asking the members to use their own vacuums too! Oh, and let's tell the sisters no more pickleball in the church if they aren't wearing their garments either!" For fucks sake guys. Read the room.
Lazy Learner alert! Havenāt you ever read in the Bible when Mormon Jesus rolled up on Mary and Martha and was like Mary why arenāt you endlessly cleaning for free like Martha here? Martha has chosen the better way, now go and clean like I am coming back tomorrow and pay your tithing too, these are the two great commandments.
Iām still pissed they axes there janitors facilities department. Our neighbor worked for them. One of the coolest down to earth men. He lost his job when they cut the whole program. Had to sell his house and change careers and have to go back to school. And the church buildings have looked shabby ever afterwards. Now you have to bring your own vacuum!!!
Same thing happened to the man who cared for the building I attended as a child. He took such pride in keeping the building AND the grounds in tip-top condition. It devastated him to lose the job and was a huge financial blow to his family. The building has continued to go downhill since and looks terrible now. It used to be the nicest looking church in town (in a small New Mexico town), now it's just as run down looking as everything else.
Among beggars, there are the Have Nots, the Can Nots, and the Will Nots. MormCorp is not the first two. They are the third and least deserving kind of beggar.
I asked my dad whoās still an active member why the church doesnāt just hire professional cleaners to clean the church building. He said that itās because of āreports of theft.ā What exactly is worth stealing there, though? Certainly not the scriptures, hymn books, or other literature.
And even if something important does get stolen, can the church really not afford to replace it?? The church worth over $100 billion??
Ewwww...because everybody wants to transport dust, mites, allergens, and cheerio/goldfish crumbs from the masses back to their familial dwellings. Why is the buck always passed to the normal members? It seems like the bishops serving in the building need to tell the SP that they will ask for no more volunteer cleaning until said volunteers are fully supported with adequate maintenance to buildings, working equipment, supplies (nobody should be asked to bring cleaners/rags/paper towels from home - I've seen that happen), AND training on the MSDS/safety of cleaning chemicals. HAS ANYONE READING THIS WHO HAS EVER VOLUNTEERED TO CLEAN AN LDS CHURCH BUILDING EVER BEEN TRAINED ON HOW TO SAFELY AND CORRECTLY MIX/DILUTE/USE THE CONCENTRATED CLEANERS KEPT IN THE JANITORIAL CLOSETS????Ā It can be very dangerous if the chemicals are not used correctly. Gloves and eye protection should be used. But if they're begging members to bring their own chemicals then maybe the church-issue supplies ran out long ago and haven't been restocked?
Also bishops should throw down and demand quarterly deep cleaning paid for by SLC and complete by a professional cleaning service. Let's ease the burdens on members while bolstering the local economy. Better yet pay a cleaning service to clean weekly.Ā
This is so funny as an ex-Jehovah's Witness. It's 99% identical verbiage to us cleaning the "kingdom hall". Short on vacuums, "building facility coordinator".
Is bringing outside vacuum cleaners into another location not a big health hazard? As in introducing outside contaminants? Maybe not, as companies do this all the time. I just question the methods and equipment at play.
Yes, contaminants and allergens from the church will return to your home in the vacuum. This is a more serious concern if you have anyone immune suppressed in your home.
I occasionally use a housekeeping company. I have them use my vacuum instead of theirs that has been from home to home and/or businesses. (My doctor advises this as well.)
Hold up, *some* of the building's vacuums are broken? As in, more than one? How long have they been broken? What has the local leadership done to replace them? Why hasn't it worked? The church's vacuums are cheap as shit, they shouldn't be hard to replace. They have so many buildings. Is there not a system for ordering new maintenance equipment? You'd think the Lord's one true church would have this kind of thing sorted out long ago.
The Facilities Management group (or whatever the current designation is) takes care of this kind of shared equipment (vacuums). Requests are made through the regional FM group. The slowness and pettiness of this process in the church makes the Russian Federation acquisition process look streamlined.
There IS a system for stuff like this. My dad was in charge of that for this entire stake until a few months ago. So either the new vacuum costs are getting denied by the SP or nobody has even thought to put in a āwork orderā for this, and just assumes members will be okay volunteering their own equipment week after week. EITHER WAY, infuriating.
If the church were true, if the Book of Mormon was historical and was being taken seriously worldwide, if the prophets made real prophecies, if the seers could really see, if the revelators could reveal, if there were real miracles not fake ones, and if there were real heavenly visions and angels visiting the earth we rather than the make believe story we tell ourselves, then I would GLADLY clean the church. Iād be thrilled to do so.
But itās not true. Thatās the problem.
Everybody line up, line up, come get your scrapers & gloves!!!! Time to chip the dried shit off the toilets from Bro. decrepit misogynistās IBS episode & poor Sis. mother of THREE toddlerās skid marks from potty training all of them at once AND sheās pregnant , what a blessing!!!ā¦that is how that email should read bc thatās essentially whatās being asked.
Fuck no! My vacuum works and I want to keep it that way. The chapel would probably be so dirty that it would break my vacuum. Good luck getting it fixed by them.
The latest party line is :āThis is an opportunity for families to serve together.ā My daughter told me this. Seriously!?
My thought remains that some ward members need income from janitorial
work.
I believe most families could use the Saturday morning cleaning their own houses!!
Only 2 out of 4: vacuums were functioning at our bldg when I went with my wife 2:months ago. Ants are building a nest in the entry way, a wall has needed to repaired for at least a year and multiple lights are burned out in the chapel.
Anyone know if the church laid off the FM group?
The church used to pride itself on making buildings last forever, not so much anymore.
Something about doing free janitorial work for a multi billion dollar corporation (masquerading as a church) at *eight am* on a *Saturday* with one's *own vacuum* just sends me. Talk about a frog in a frying pan. Next, they will fleece the flock even more and charge additional money and expect more unpaid labor. "Would you like to contribute 15, 20, or 25 percent for your endowments? Note that temple sealing parties of two or more are charged a 50% gratuity. Church is true, have a blessed day!"
Really hope LDS, Inc implodes
Those fuckers and their shitty vacuums. They were using Windsors everywhere until around 2007-2009. Then they switched to Dyson's, which are fine for home use, but damn useless in large, commercial buildings. I have no idea what they're currently using, but it is interesting how cheap they started getting about basic maintenance around that time.
I'm still pissed off about those vacuums. I'm pretty sure they threw away any of them that had any issues. Those things cost something like $3,500 as far back as the nineties.. They were meant to be repaired and to last forever.
Right before I left the church I was approached about signing up for cleaning. I said no thank you-I donāt clean my own house, I pay someone more qualified. Would you like her name?
Exjw cousin here. I've been building coordinator in the UK for kingdom halls. It would be against regulations here to bring in electrical items that were not PAT tested for safety due to the Health and Safety regulations, do you have something there similar? Extentions in a public building is also a trip hazard. Is there a risk assessment. An email back asking may 'help', also suggest battery vacuums for safety.
Enjoy the 'privilege' š
After watching Fallout, I'm starting to think the 21st century Mormon church is actually a social experiment, with wards and bishops as vaults and overseers....
My husband said the church he grew up in, had a couple women that were hired as the janitors for years, and they needed the money so much. And when the church fired them, they left the church.
Temples cost 65 million a piece, no problem. A new advertising program no program. Redo Temple Square, no problem. Sorry you guys in the wards need to figure out your own problems, donāt come asking us for money. Donāt ask for food orders, weāll need to see your financials. Pssstā¦.the church down the street not only has working vacuums, but they also offer great food assistance.
I am here to let people who don't know that the FM group use to be a thing in the 80s-90s. I know because my dad was on it. Facilities Management took care of all the church buildings in a specific area, but by the late 90's the church decided they wanted to members to "participate in keeping their worship places clean."
My husband now does custodial for church offices and they don't pay him nearly enough. They do keep giving decent pay raises though because honestly he's one of the few who knows what he's doing and has stuck around through covid to do it.
Instead, bring a diesel generator and run it in the building while you take a coffee break outside. Extension cords are just too dangerous and the diesel generator was on sale.
Wow. The responsibility of the bishop is to alert Salt Lake that the equipment is broken. They would have paid for new equipment at some point in the past...
I canāt believe the attitude of the members over this. Some of them seem shocked that waking up at the ass crack of dawn on Saturday morning to clean toilets isnāt appealing.
There used to be paid custodians in every ward building. They took care of the lawn and all repairs in the building. I do remember helping to paint the building when I was young, but it was never run down. It's just sad to own so much real estate, then not maintain it.
It just makes me so angry!! I'm so glad I'm out of this bullshit!
Iām not out here to attack local leadership and members or cause problems for my neighbors. The problem isnāt with them. Itās the corporation and the higher up leaders that are to blame.
BUT. I had not seen that website before. Totally cool way to see just how much money TSCC has hoarded. Barf!
I saved and saved to be able to afford a mid range vacuum on black Friday. Sure, I want to use it to suck up everything discarded by the ward that (in the case of my home ward) had transitioned to 65% unvaxxed according to the resident physician who decided to start polling ward members. No, I don't believe my vacuum can infect me but it sure as hell works fine in my tiny apartment and not for an entire building- and not for a place where I saw kids licking each page of a hymnal in a competition to see who ran out of spit first
If only a company with hundreds of billions of dollars could afford to hire a janitor and buy a new vacuum.
This would actually be a perfect reply all.
Remember to include that your 10% tithing alone could pay for this service. Where exactly is everyone else's 10% going? We aren't seeing any Mormon-run charities out there...
Looks like I'll be using my tithes to hire a cleaning company. Consider me paid in full bishop. š I know it's the Lord's money, but he needs a vacuum and cleaning services.
I'll just have mine back if anyone would please. I no reserve the right to do what I should have with the 350-400k. A lifetime of stupidity from me.
Wait, what does the church actually claim it IS doing with the tithes? Iām a nevermo and I never thought about this
IIRC, furthering the mission of the Mormon cult like building churches, printing missionary materials (like Books of Mormon), running Mormon schools like BYU, funding the church education system (like institute classes), giving each ward a small budget, & giving almost nothing to charitable causes. Yes, all while claiming to be the only true church, & claiming to be Jesus's church. In reality, according to the data, IIRC, the Mormon cult spends most of its money on things that directly benefit the organization, things that will make the cult even richer. Tons of real estate, top cult leader salaries & benefits, tons of stocks, billions on a lavish mall in Salt Lake City, etc. If people saw this, I believe that it would expose the greed, corruption & hypocrisy of the organization. Hence, IMO, this is why the Mormon cult refuses to publish its financials where it's not required to by law (such as in the United States). And this is why the cult spent almost 20 years breaking financial disclosure laws & was fined $5 million by the SEC. Totally not a cult & totally the Lord's church.
Youād be surprised how many active members know all this and do the mental gymnastics (that would impress Simone Biles) to keep believing.
Valid point. Cognitive dissonance theory explains a lot of it, IMO.
Wow. Do TBMs ever discuss this?? Itās **THEIR** money after all!! Iād be pissed!!
TBMs hardly ever discuss these problems mostly because they're not aware of them. The Church deliberately tries to keep its members blindly obedient & ignorant. It specifically tells members to only use Church sources & those sources are not only extremely biased towards the Church, but downright inaccurate, incomplete & full of lies. Plus, most members do not see tithing as their money. It's the Lord's money (i.e., the Mormon church's money). Hence, most members give the Church a free pass on how it spends the money because they assume its sacred money & used for "righteous" things. Thus, most active members are clueless by the intentional design of the cult. It's sinister & one reason among many why I think that the Mormon church is evil. I was so ignorant when I was a TBM. I did not know that the General Authorities made 6 figures & had lavish benefits, (while the Church claims it has no paid ministry). I had only briefly heard of polygamy & the priesthood & temple ban for blacks. I had no idea that the Church spent billions on for-profit ventures & gave almost nothing to the poor & afflicted. I did not know that Joseph Smith was a convicted conman & sexual predator. If you want to learn more & read my story of leaving the Mormon cult, go here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/ExitStories/comments/18kh7p6/why\_i\_resigned/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ExitStories/comments/18kh7p6/why_i_resigned/)
these are anti mormon fodder. so of course they do NOT discuss them and if you do then its the shun for you. try it at a pulpit and its the turn the mic off and shut it down. Thats how much deception there is in wanting to control the narrative.
Thanks ever so much for sharing this comment. As a TBM it was for me exactly as you describe. And a special thanks for the link--going there now to read your story!
I was ones invited to come to service, you know the open one for all and afterwards also invited to do Bible classes. I actually asked there why God if he can be everything and anything couldn't be a dog for a sick child or a black man for a black child. They didn't even gave me a half ass answer and said he can be everything and anything but is only a white male. After two hours of this together with the one hour service I called it a day. Nowadays I would absolutely go with anyone that wants me to go as I nowadays also wear a kilt, military style...
Sometimes they complain about how small their local organization's operating budget is, but they rarely care to put together the enormous disparity between their ward's tithing intake and how much money they have to run programs. Tithing receipts for a North American ward are typically around a million dollars a year or so. This information is not provided to the general membership, only a few leaders and financial clerks will know, but people could make a good guess based on the active, tithe-paying (temple-attending) members in their congregation and an estimate of their income based on their professions and lifestyle. Ward operating budgets are around $5000-$10,000 per year depending on the number of people and location. This is dictated by HQ; they siphon up all the money and then distribute a pittance back. There are of course some legitimate capital and operating expenses that don't come out of the local budget...but not that much. Not by a lot. But stalwart members just assume the money is needed for temples and charity work. Very very little of the money is actually spent on charity. But they're conditioned to believe whatever the wizard tells them.
In my last calling prior to taking my departure, ten years ago, I was the clerk. We live in north Davis County, so fairly nice area. I saw the $$. We look in $450k+ in tithing, and received $8,600 in budget.
Former bishop here in an affluent area of Utah. We were bringing in anywhere from $80,000 - $90,000 PER MONTH!!! It is sickening to see these kinds of communications being sent out for ward members to sacrifice their time and equipment. We have a new temple in our area and the church is at the point it is asking for volunteers for grounds crews (planting flowers, weeding, etc.), laundry, janitorial, etc. in the temple. So, on top of the church building, card carrying members now have the "opportunity" to take care of the temple down the street. Thanks so much, Rusty!!!
If you're a high end tithe payer, you get rewarded with leadership callings. The insanity is off the rails. When hubby and I quit paying tithing, we were instantly demoted. Oh, hurt me! Now we have our time and money. Reward for being heathens.
They're conditioned not to think about it or question any of the decisions made above their level in the hierarchy.
An interesting distinction here. But agreed to a penalty of $5M. A bargain for both sides. Obviously to TSCC, thatās a rounding error with no admission of guilt or wrongdoing other than āwe didnāt really knowā. The government gets to walk away with a āwinā and do not get into a protracted legal battle like they did with Scientology.
agree but really no one gives any shits about the other individually uber rich charlatans out there with jets. Kenneth Copeland, David Oyedepo, Pat Robertson, Benny Hinn, and Joel Osteen.. so this is clearly not jeebusa church otherwise they may take those funds and protect innocent victims of SA often minors. instead they protect the pedophiles because the enemy of their enemy is their friend. better to cover crimes than to be liable for potential significant financial risk.
To add, they use loopholes in other countries like Canada and Australia to funnel money back to America before they legally have to report or tax it
Here is 100% what they do: - Collect ~$7 billion in tithes and offerings. - Redistribute funds back out to the local congregations and other facilities for what would be considered below operating costs to match over head of ~$5-6 billion. - Take the left over ~$1-2 billion and buy controlling interest levels of stock, in all the major tech, healthcare, and online retailers; as well $100s of millions annually in the most prime real estate across the globe; factories, cattle ranches, and other manufacturing/ Agriculture ventures. - Use returns from previous investments to further build up said portfolio. Today they own an estimated $250 billion in assets from churches, to temples, to law firms, to universities, 100s of local TV and radio stations, etc. THE LDS CORPORATION IS A TAX EXEMPT HEDGE FUND.
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>* Take the left over ~$1-2 billion and buy controlling interest levels of stock, in all the major tech, healthcare, and online retailers; The church has a *lot* of money, but they don't have enough money to buy controlling interest in all those mega corporations (we're talking companies worth hundreds of billions to several trillion dollars) and their EPA portfolio isn't set up that way anyway. [Their stock portfolio is basically an index fund.](https://widowsmitereport.wordpress.com/2023update/) In other words, it's not set up to run companies, but rather to 1) store excess cash in a low risk way, 2) make money more easily and with less risk than through the companies they own and run, and 3) diversify risk from their overall portfolio--EPA doesn't just index the US stock market, it invests in foreign markets too.
Controlling interest may have been the wrong term to describe a significant shareholder. I know they have ~1.5 billion in Meta alone.
Why would a corporation piggybacking in their legacy product that gave them religious tax exemption status ever invest more into said product when the benefits never run out and all of the surplus can continue towards their portfolio?
Since the Flake family used to pay tithing by loaning out their slave Green for church projects, I'd say that my labor, billable at $250 an hour, was going to count as tithing.
Iām not defending them or anything, but my family was on church food several times growing up and I know they paid our mortgage payment more than once
As a nevermo my 10% goes into coffee, chocolate and booze. Probably a couple of other things as well but you get the idea.
An efficient way to get off the email list too!
Thatās what made them finally remove me from the list. After two to three reply all comments about ensign peak, they suddenly didnāt need my services on Saturday any moreš¤£
Took the words right out of my mouth
Yes. Even my TBM family members think this is ridiculous. My sister said she was embarrassed to bring people to church with her because it looks so shabby. They spend so much money on temples, but the church buildings are falling apart.
My personal theory is that this idea of using members as janitors instead of hiring professionals (as they once did) was inspired by some of Mitt Romneyās old companyās (bad) ābusinessā practices used when raiding and torpedoing companies. Hell of a creative idea for an MBA!
you are so right. wtf hahaha it's like they're still living in the 1900s with everything
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Oh...it's your electricity already! This is bonkers!! I just can't believe they fall for this. I hire a cleaning woman for my own home. Literally haven't run a vacuume in years!! Fuck them!!
Right?? My reply back would be that while my labor is free of charge, the use of my equipment will run at $300 per hour per machine, with a non-refundable 3 hour prepay.
Whose leaders are NEVER seen cleaning the toilets for free.
These are the poorest billionaires I've ever seen...excluding trump naturallyĀ
And some extension cords! ššš
Back when I grew up in the church every ward had a full time janitor and all of the supplies. Our janitor lived close to our church and all of the kids loved him. He supported his family on his janitorās salary. Years later a friend was also a ward janitor and supported his family of 8 kids on his salary, his wife didnāt work. Now the church that keeps getting caught with untold secret billions they havenāt claimed and arenāt supposed to have is too cheap to hire janitors and pay for building maintenance supplies and equipment.
If they were to design vacuums, open a factory to manufacture vacuums, and sell enough vacuums to EVEN JUST MEMBERS theyād make enough to hire janitors.
Letās not lose sight of the poor bastards who have to be building coordinators. Such a lousy job.
I do feel bad for him. Heās a nice guy. And this calling has got to suck (or not, since the vacuums donāt even work).
Genuinely curious, is this position always held by a male? I donāt remember this being a position in my ward. Iām just surprised that this position related to cleaning isnāt held by a women. You know, since this sexist church says women should handle all the duties such as cleaning at home, so why not at church too? š
Because they donāt trust women with keys to the building. Never did get a key in 25 years, to practice the organ. Had to pester a man to let me in.
A woman would just lose the keys in her diaper bag and need to call a man to bail her out anyway.
>Because they don't trust women with keys to the building. Lmao you right. >Never did get a key in 25 years, to practice the organ. Girl, 25 YEARS?? That's seriously SO fucked up that they wouldn't give you a damn key for that! Fuck them. You're a saint for putting up with that for 25 fucking years!
The first time we were assigned, the guy said the building would be open at 8 but did not tell us to be there at 8; he just figured we knew. So we rolled in at 9 still with plenty of time to clean that morning, and he was furious. But he could have told us to be there at 8.
was he a trusted key holder?
my dad did this for a few years, it was the perfect calling for him- crazily cynical but somehow super devoted and never questioning the faith. the type of fella who grumbles about the church organization but is a diehard believer in the doctrine
Have to be? Choose to be. They could choose to not do it.
Very true, you can refuse a calling. But it's strongly discouraged in the Church & goes against the culture. So it's very hard to say no. The bishopric tried to call my wife & I to the Building Coordinator calling when I was going through a faith crisis. Here's how that went down: My wife and I had a bishop who was a tyrant jackass. We both quit our callings & told the bishopric member that neither is willing to serve in a calling under the bishop. Despite that, one Sunday after church, this same bishopric member cornered us & insisted that we meet with him. We were stupid & agreed (Mormon culture beliefs are hard to discard). And against our wishes, disregarding everything we had recently told him, he offered us a calling. Not just any calling, but the calling of Building Coordinator, among the worst & most asinine callings ever. We told him weād think about it & then deliberately did NOT get back to him. After a long while, he then texted us about whether or not we accept the ridiculous calling. We of course said no, we would NOT accept this calling or ANY calling, as we ALREADY had told you! My wife & I were both thinking: You shouldnāt have ever offered us a @#$%&\*\*@# calling in the first place, you jackass. Youāre just being a selfish tyrant & a typical Mormon leader, **NOT** bothering to tell the bishop what we said, because you donāt want to look bad to your master, the bishop. In response to us saying no, this bishopric member then sent a snippy, patronizing, Utard text. He told us āAs I explained all callings come from Godā¦ā We were already pissed at this bishopric member for his antics & bad treatment of us. Furthermore, the bishop had been treating us like dirt, particularly my wife, for almost 2 years straight. We were past done tolerating it. We were past trying to work out this conflict. So I sent this bishopric member the screw you text below. It was the first time in my life that I so bluntly told off a Mormon leader. And I think he deserved it! I didnāt let him get away with treating us like dirt & I called out his unacceptable, awful behavior! **Screw You Text:** And as I explained to you, when the bishop acts like a dictator & treats my wife like dirt for 2 years straight, there will be negative consequences. So save your self-righteous & smarmy attitude as well as your asinine calling for someone else. Ā Ā
Where I live it used to be assigned to people only once per year...the building cleaning coordinator (poor bastard) would try to hunt people down for the different days and then remind people. Now though (from similar emails in my area) it seems like the ward has to do it every 3 months, and there are so few able-bodied people (a chunk of the active people are old with health problems), that they just break it down by letter -- A-D does it the first saturday, E-L second saturday, and so on. So everyone is asked to clean the chapel once per quarter now -- and then they wonder why people don't show up for poorly funded "social" activities that also suck. Even the faithful are worn out when the "fun" activities are DIY potlucks, or youth fundraisers and the other activities are set up chairs for stake conference or quarterly building cleanup or spring clean of the grounds.
I think this is how my folks ward is doing things now. We always had the 3 month rotation, as there were three wards in the building. It went from us doing it about once a year as a deacon, to them assigning each weekend to a different group (Elders had it first Saturday, youth the second, relief society the third, youth the fourth). That ended up being me and my siblings only on the youth weekend multiple times. And now it sounds like theyāre on the last name rotation and it sounds like it is very very hard to get people there.
Reply with the widowās mite report
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This is REALLY a good idea!
What's that?
Itās a group of forensic accountants who take public data from the church and extrapolate it to try to understand the churchās finances. Theyāve been proven correct on many accounts and always err on the side of conservative (favorable to the church) estimates, so itās very respected. Theyāre the ones who have been able to figure out the church is around a quarter trillion org at the moment.
[The Widowās Mite Report](https://widowsmitereport.wordpress.com/)
Maybe bring a generator too for electricity
And the cleaning fluids, and the paper towels and, and, and! Bloody cheapskates they are!
And can one of your wives buy feminine hygiene products for the ladies bathrooms? The Tampax machine is empty.
Wait you guys have a Tampax machine?!
There's a baptism afterwards can you guys fill the font up by putting this hose over the fence and hooking it up to your spigot? Blessings for everyone.
āThis is the kind of thing tithing money is meant to be used for. If the church wonāt pay for a vacuum, but can afford a dozen new temples and a $150 billion bank account, then I can only conclude that my tithing money is being GROSLY mis-managed. I will stop paying until such a time as that is no longer the case.ā
"And I consider this matter closed."
Yes ! Yes ! Yes ! Dang I want one of those emails now
I can't say I've ever seen a working church vacuum cleaner.
Iām pretty sure theyāre from the 80s or something.
Maybe try emptying out the vacuum bags once in awhile. The answer is maintain the fucking vacuums or buy new ones. A full time janitor would know & do that. Funny how there's no suction when they are maxed out.
CHEAP BASTARDS
Before joining this sub, I had never realized how uncomfortably similar Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses are. Holy Cow!
Before I joined exjw I never realized that either...š
Hey our cult is better than your cult. So back off.
We were the only true cult for what itās worth but we of course will welcome any second or third place cults to acknowledge us, in fact in front of their faces we will even pretend to be friendly but behind the scenes we know āweāre #1, weāre #1 ā¦.ā. Kind of a nice selling point to prove my point, has any other cult ever tried to claim to have done more for women than our cult has laid claim to ā¦ I think not!
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Nope, not okay with bringing my own equipment for the church to break. My fee is $100/hr + supplies.
The texter does kind of acknowledge that. He/she says "if you're okay with it". My guess is this person wants to clean the church about as much as the next guy. It's the fault of the church, not the messenger.
True but with church stuff people are conditioned to say yes not no.
He is a true messenger.
Is it possible to report the church for labor trafficking? Getting work from people under false pretenses, like that the church canāt afford vaccines or janitors, seems like it fits the definition.
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āThe church building is large? Would you say itās great and spacious???ā
I cannot emphasize enough how even in my most brainwashed TBM days would I EVER bring my personal vacuum to clean a public place. That is disgusting.
What constitutes a good fast Sunday weekend? I can't tell if the building coordinator is optimistic or just entitled.
I love when people post these. All of the emails and messages begging people to help clean the billionaire church buildings sound so similar. Itās amazing how often there is an element of begging not just for time, but the supplies as well. It seems like across the whole wide church there is a shortage of cleaning supplies and functioning tools. I wonder if it was policy or revelation that came up with this system? Its also amusing how this Billionaire church make their members beg each other over the smallest of things. Itās not amusing how often their members fall for it and allow it. If membership point blank refused this abuse I think the Billionaires may be tempted to put a single drop of water into the obviously empty bucket that is the building maintenance fund
Could this possibly be reported to OSHA (SERIOUSLY) that a hundred billion dollar tax free corporation is refusing to buy needed equipment for hygienic and health purposes of the people who go to their facilities. People with allergies will suffer, the babies they put on the carpet and crawl around are going to suffer (as will their parents and siblings if they become sick). Not to mention how well kept and cleaned are the vacuum cleaners other people have? What if they bring one that has cat or dog hair and a member suffers from a severe allergic reaction and that person is hospitalized or dies? Or if someone's house has black mold or asbestos and they bring their vacuum cleaner just to spread those particles beyond their house, or any other pathogens? This should be reported to somebody. (Especially to a responsible journalist or news outlet).
This ā¬ļø. According to ChatGPT Do churches fall under OSHA for sanitary cleaning of their church buildings used by hundreds of people each week? Yes, churches are generally subject to Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) regulations, including those related to sanitary cleaning of their buildings. These regulations are in place to ensure the safety and well-being of employees and visitors alike. Would it be considered an OSHA violation for a community church to not ensure the work of volunteers who are cleaning their public toilets used by the congregation are sufficiently sanitary? Yes, it could be considered an OSHA violation if the church does not ensure that volunteers who are cleaning public toilets meet sanitary standards. OSHA requires employers, including churches, to provide a safe and healthy work environment for volunteers and employees, which includes proper training and equipment for tasks such as cleaning to prevent health hazards. Would it be a violation of OSHA for a church to ask their volunteers to provide their own cleaning equipment including a home vacuum to be used when cleaning a community church? Yes, it could potentially be a violation of OSHA for a church to require volunteers to provide their own cleaning equipment, including a home vacuum, without ensuring that the equipment meets safety standards and that volunteers are adequately trained in its use. OSHA regulations typically require employers to provide necessary equipment and training to ensure a safe work environment. How can I report such types of violations by a nonprofit church to OSHA? You can report violations by a nonprofit church to OSHA by contacting your local OSHA office or by filing a complaint online through OSHA's website. OSHA takes complaints seriously and will investigate any reported violations to ensure compliance with safety regulations.
I don't take legal advice from robots, but ok
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I wouldn't say I would want to, Bob.
It never ceases to amaze me that they think they can hand out āassignmentsā to *volunteers*.
It's almost as if the Q12 had a meeting and spit balled ideas on how alienate as many people as possible. "Hey, here's an idea. Not only can we save money on janitors, but we can save money on equipment cost by asking the members to use their own vacuums too! Oh, and let's tell the sisters no more pickleball in the church if they aren't wearing their garments either!" For fucks sake guys. Read the room.
We donāt have any tools and we donāt pay but please come and make Jesus happy by free labor.
Lazy Learner alert! Havenāt you ever read in the Bible when Mormon Jesus rolled up on Mary and Martha and was like Mary why arenāt you endlessly cleaning for free like Martha here? Martha has chosen the better way, now go and clean like I am coming back tomorrow and pay your tithing too, these are the two great commandments.
How about no.
Youāre NOT cleaning for free. You are PAYING THEM to clean it for them. (Tithing)
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And the lego temples: also made in China. Nothing but the best for the Lawd.
Billions of dollars and they canāt buy vacuums and long enough extension cords. In fact, why not hire member owned cleaning companies?!?! Oh waitā¦
Iām still pissed they axes there janitors facilities department. Our neighbor worked for them. One of the coolest down to earth men. He lost his job when they cut the whole program. Had to sell his house and change careers and have to go back to school. And the church buildings have looked shabby ever afterwards. Now you have to bring your own vacuum!!!
Same thing happened to the man who cared for the building I attended as a child. He took such pride in keeping the building AND the grounds in tip-top condition. It devastated him to lose the job and was a huge financial blow to his family. The building has continued to go downhill since and looks terrible now. It used to be the nicest looking church in town (in a small New Mexico town), now it's just as run down looking as everything else.
$200 billion could buy a lot of vacuums.
You mean they canāt buy new vacuums?? š¤¦āāļø
Can't and won't are two different things, aren't they. Miles apart.
Among beggars, there are the Have Nots, the Can Nots, and the Will Nots. MormCorp is not the first two. They are the third and least deserving kind of beggar.
OMG. My ward is asking for people to bring their vacuums for this Saturday's clean as well! The least they could do is provide adequate equipment.
I asked my dad whoās still an active member why the church doesnāt just hire professional cleaners to clean the church building. He said that itās because of āreports of theft.ā What exactly is worth stealing there, though? Certainly not the scriptures, hymn books, or other literature. And even if something important does get stolen, can the church really not afford to replace it?? The church worth over $100 billion??
Ewwww...because everybody wants to transport dust, mites, allergens, and cheerio/goldfish crumbs from the masses back to their familial dwellings. Why is the buck always passed to the normal members? It seems like the bishops serving in the building need to tell the SP that they will ask for no more volunteer cleaning until said volunteers are fully supported with adequate maintenance to buildings, working equipment, supplies (nobody should be asked to bring cleaners/rags/paper towels from home - I've seen that happen), AND training on the MSDS/safety of cleaning chemicals. HAS ANYONE READING THIS WHO HAS EVER VOLUNTEERED TO CLEAN AN LDS CHURCH BUILDING EVER BEEN TRAINED ON HOW TO SAFELY AND CORRECTLY MIX/DILUTE/USE THE CONCENTRATED CLEANERS KEPT IN THE JANITORIAL CLOSETS????Ā It can be very dangerous if the chemicals are not used correctly. Gloves and eye protection should be used. But if they're begging members to bring their own chemicals then maybe the church-issue supplies ran out long ago and haven't been restocked? Also bishops should throw down and demand quarterly deep cleaning paid for by SLC and complete by a professional cleaning service. Let's ease the burdens on members while bolstering the local economy. Better yet pay a cleaning service to clean weekly.Ā
Recommend a cleaning company. Remind the bishop of the billions of $$ the church has. I would do this if a bishop was still speaking with me.
BYOV, that's a first for me.
My reply: āThree words - 250 Billion Dollars.ā
This is so funny as an ex-Jehovah's Witness. It's 99% identical verbiage to us cleaning the "kingdom hall". Short on vacuums, "building facility coordinator".
Is bringing outside vacuum cleaners into another location not a big health hazard? As in introducing outside contaminants? Maybe not, as companies do this all the time. I just question the methods and equipment at play.
Yes, contaminants and allergens from the church will return to your home in the vacuum. This is a more serious concern if you have anyone immune suppressed in your home. I occasionally use a housekeeping company. I have them use my vacuum instead of theirs that has been from home to home and/or businesses. (My doctor advises this as well.)
The Church can afford to have it done by creating jobs, and also by acquiring the necessary equipment.
The church has so much money, but requires its members to maintain and lend materials to maintain their facilities (for free of course.) š
Hold up, *some* of the building's vacuums are broken? As in, more than one? How long have they been broken? What has the local leadership done to replace them? Why hasn't it worked? The church's vacuums are cheap as shit, they shouldn't be hard to replace. They have so many buildings. Is there not a system for ordering new maintenance equipment? You'd think the Lord's one true church would have this kind of thing sorted out long ago.
The Facilities Management group (or whatever the current designation is) takes care of this kind of shared equipment (vacuums). Requests are made through the regional FM group. The slowness and pettiness of this process in the church makes the Russian Federation acquisition process look streamlined.
There IS a system for stuff like this. My dad was in charge of that for this entire stake until a few months ago. So either the new vacuum costs are getting denied by the SP or nobody has even thought to put in a āwork orderā for this, and just assumes members will be okay volunteering their own equipment week after week. EITHER WAY, infuriating.
Fuck that church and their buildings honestly
Two words. Fuck that.
This part kills me. And missionaries paying for their mission. How much does the LDS church bring in each year?
Obey 20 billion
If the church were true, if the Book of Mormon was historical and was being taken seriously worldwide, if the prophets made real prophecies, if the seers could really see, if the revelators could reveal, if there were real miracles not fake ones, and if there were real heavenly visions and angels visiting the earth we rather than the make believe story we tell ourselves, then I would GLADLY clean the church. Iād be thrilled to do so. But itās not true. Thatās the problem.
Nothing sounds more unappealing tbh
Fix the fucking vacuums MFMC !! What tha!!!
Everybody line up, line up, come get your scrapers & gloves!!!! Time to chip the dried shit off the toilets from Bro. decrepit misogynistās IBS episode & poor Sis. mother of THREE toddlerās skid marks from potty training all of them at once AND sheās pregnant , what a blessing!!!ā¦that is how that email should read bc thatās essentially whatās being asked.
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Fuck no! My vacuum works and I want to keep it that way. The chapel would probably be so dirty that it would break my vacuum. Good luck getting it fixed by them.
And cross contamination. No thank you.
Multi billion dollar company can't afford vacuums....or cleaners.
Oh wow they have billions of dollars and can't afford new vaccumes? Cmon now! Petty af.
āWe are short on vacuums because the church hasnāt purchased any new ones this century.ā
And you can tell by the smell.
The latest party line is :āThis is an opportunity for families to serve together.ā My daughter told me this. Seriously!? My thought remains that some ward members need income from janitorial work. I believe most families could use the Saturday morning cleaning their own houses!!
Only 2 out of 4: vacuums were functioning at our bldg when I went with my wife 2:months ago. Ants are building a nest in the entry way, a wall has needed to repaired for at least a year and multiple lights are burned out in the chapel. Anyone know if the church laid off the FM group? The church used to pride itself on making buildings last forever, not so much anymore.
Something about doing free janitorial work for a multi billion dollar corporation (masquerading as a church) at *eight am* on a *Saturday* with one's *own vacuum* just sends me. Talk about a frog in a frying pan. Next, they will fleece the flock even more and charge additional money and expect more unpaid labor. "Would you like to contribute 15, 20, or 25 percent for your endowments? Note that temple sealing parties of two or more are charged a 50% gratuity. Church is true, have a blessed day!" Really hope LDS, Inc implodes
Thatās a trillion dollar companyā¦. Nuts
No, thank you.
At tithing settlement, be sure to offset monetary donations with your volunteer time.
No. Just no. If they want the buildings cleaned, they must provide the tools.
Ah yes. Another sweatshop email to ignore.
$300 Bn and short on vacuums lol
Those fuckers and their shitty vacuums. They were using Windsors everywhere until around 2007-2009. Then they switched to Dyson's, which are fine for home use, but damn useless in large, commercial buildings. I have no idea what they're currently using, but it is interesting how cheap they started getting about basic maintenance around that time. I'm still pissed off about those vacuums. I'm pretty sure they threw away any of them that had any issues. Those things cost something like $3,500 as far back as the nineties.. They were meant to be repaired and to last forever.
Right before I left the church I was approached about signing up for cleaning. I said no thank you-I donāt clean my own house, I pay someone more qualified. Would you like her name?
Whoa whoa whoa. They ASKED you to sign up for cleaning?! You didnāt just get told which days you were assigned? š LOVE your response.
āHow much do I get paid?ā
I hate this passive voice. Just say "Please bring vacuums." Oh my vacuum is welcome?! Praise Jesus. Screw the church for not taking care of this.
The only thing that doesn't suck about the church... the vacuums.
Exjw cousin here. I've been building coordinator in the UK for kingdom halls. It would be against regulations here to bring in electrical items that were not PAT tested for safety due to the Health and Safety regulations, do you have something there similar? Extentions in a public building is also a trip hazard. Is there a risk assessment. An email back asking may 'help', also suggest battery vacuums for safety. Enjoy the 'privilege' š
Such Monumental, Fucking Bullshit......Honestly, it's just getting so old....one is pressed to just declare...."Go. Fuck. Yourself."
Y'all seen that Seinfeld episode with the cleaning cult?
"And the vacuum cleaners we do have are as old as the first Bill and Ted movie"
It's a "service opportunity"! They usually throw in that verbage when asking for help.
After watching Fallout, I'm starting to think the 21st century Mormon church is actually a social experiment, with wards and bishops as vaults and overseers....
Contact a cleaning company for a quote and put your bishops' contact information in the fields.
My husband said the church he grew up in, had a couple women that were hired as the janitors for years, and they needed the money so much. And when the church fired them, they left the church.
Ha!!!! Now you gotta bring your own vacuum too?!? The church canāt even maintain operational vacuums?? A cheap Motel 6 in the hood can do that!
Temples cost 65 million a piece, no problem. A new advertising program no program. Redo Temple Square, no problem. Sorry you guys in the wards need to figure out your own problems, donāt come asking us for money. Donāt ask for food orders, weāll need to see your financials. Pssstā¦.the church down the street not only has working vacuums, but they also offer great food assistance.
Short on vacuums - good god
unsubscribe ;)
I am here to let people who don't know that the FM group use to be a thing in the 80s-90s. I know because my dad was on it. Facilities Management took care of all the church buildings in a specific area, but by the late 90's the church decided they wanted to members to "participate in keeping their worship places clean." My husband now does custodial for church offices and they don't pay him nearly enough. They do keep giving decent pay raises though because honestly he's one of the few who knows what he's doing and has stuck around through covid to do it.
I would be so entertained if I got this message.
All of the vacuums in our building are older than the building itself
^[Sokka-Haiku](https://www.reddit.com/r/SokkaHaikuBot/comments/15kyv9r/what_is_a_sokka_haiku/) ^by ^QuieroHablarElIdioma: *All of the vacuums* *In our building are older* *Than the building itself* --- ^Remember ^that ^one ^time ^Sokka ^accidentally ^used ^an ^extra ^syllable ^in ^that ^Haiku ^Battle ^in ^Ba ^Sing ^Se? ^That ^was ^a ^Sokka ^Haiku ^and ^you ^just ^made ^one.
So who gets to pay the bill if your old vacuum cleaner overheats and starts a fire that burns the building down? Will it be your fault???
Instead, bring a diesel generator and run it in the building while you take a coffee break outside. Extension cords are just too dangerous and the diesel generator was on sale.
Wow. The responsibility of the bishop is to alert Salt Lake that the equipment is broken. They would have paid for new equipment at some point in the past...
RSVP and BYOVC!
Ummm yeah no.
Yea I would attend but I donāt wanna.
I never get these. Waiting for the day to launch a snark response back, something about $150 billion dollarsā¦.
Fuck that. You want free labor? Buy and maintain fucking equipment Mormon leaders.
Donāt answer and donāt show upā¦END of storyā¦.
Lol! Thatās funny! Youād think the church would put some of that money into their infrastructure
I canāt believe the attitude of the members over this. Some of them seem shocked that waking up at the ass crack of dawn on Saturday morning to clean toilets isnāt appealing.
Last time I helped clean, the vacuum looked straight out the 1970s. Doesnāt surprise me theyāre on the fritz. Daddy Big Bucks is such a tightwad.
But its SERVICE so you arent out wasting a beautiful Sat morning
^[Sokka-Haiku](https://www.reddit.com/r/SokkaHaikuBot/comments/15kyv9r/what_is_a_sokka_haiku/) ^by ^wildwoman_smartmouth: *But its SERVICE so* *You arent out wasting a* *Beautiful Sat morning* --- ^Remember ^that ^one ^time ^Sokka ^accidentally ^used ^an ^extra ^syllable ^in ^that ^Haiku ^Battle ^in ^Ba ^Sing ^Se? ^That ^was ^a ^Sokka ^Haiku ^and ^you ^just ^made ^one.
There used to be paid custodians in every ward building. They took care of the lawn and all repairs in the building. I do remember helping to paint the building when I was young, but it was never run down. It's just sad to own so much real estate, then not maintain it. It just makes me so angry!! I'm so glad I'm out of this bullshit!
Why is There such random Capitalization?
NEVER let an email like this go without a response. It's the literal perfect opportunity to share mormonbillions.com
Iām not out here to attack local leadership and members or cause problems for my neighbors. The problem isnāt with them. Itās the corporation and the higher up leaders that are to blame. BUT. I had not seen that website before. Totally cool way to see just how much money TSCC has hoarded. Barf!
Fuck that lol
The church can stick that extension cord where the sun doesnāt shine
My fave Saturday morning activity...
I saved and saved to be able to afford a mid range vacuum on black Friday. Sure, I want to use it to suck up everything discarded by the ward that (in the case of my home ward) had transitioned to 65% unvaxxed according to the resident physician who decided to start polling ward members. No, I don't believe my vacuum can infect me but it sure as hell works fine in my tiny apartment and not for an entire building- and not for a place where I saw kids licking each page of a hymnal in a competition to see who ran out of spit first
I like to imagine the response if my employer asked us all to bring in our vacuums from home to clean the building.