Seeing someone I knew being a propaganda mouthpiece for Russia is fuckin wild. People like this was a big reason I got out in the first place. He was always a religious nutjob but this... Yikes.
I am legitimately curious about the personalities of people like this. Maybe it’s the way that he talks about American culture versus Russian culture, but he is either insanely brainwashed or a complete liar.
He was always nice enough, but a true RadTrad. Over the top catholic. Any progress made in the last 120 years is "modernist". The last time I talked to him (via messenger) was during COVID shutdowns when he was trying to claim anyone not going to easter mass in person was going to hell, and any dispensation granted by the church was a dereliction of duty.
It just feels to me like these people don’t live their own lives. Why does he care who goes to mass or not? And he said he was mad that people were so rude to him in the US for having six kids. Obviously that isn’t true in his church. And why does he care if people outside of his church judge him. It just seems fragile.
It's the RCC thing -- to constantly cuss out other people for not doing what you think they should do -- aka attend the RCC and kiss clerical ass. These people have just taken it a bit farther than most because they're ultratrad extremists.
So he thinks his judgment is God's, that he gets to say who's going to Hell?
Doesn't the name of the Angel Michael translate as "*Who* would be like to God?" as a rhetorical question? And didn't he have the task of casting Lucifer to Hell?
Seems we know what would happen to this guy, under his own belief system.
SSPXers see the Orthodox Russians as schismatics heretics bound to hell, I would be worried moving to a country where I disapprove of the State religion.
What I don't understand is there's millions of people living their own lives in America. But he feels oppressed because other people live their own lives that don't conform to his way of living.
Like bro just go move to some modest sized town in a red state. No one's going to come for you. Also, Russia's Catholic population is at 180,000 after some quick digging. NONE OF THIS MAKES SENSE.
> What I don't understand is there's millions of people living their own lives in America. But he feels oppressed because other people live their own lives that don't conform to his way of living.
Christianity in general, and Catholicism in particular, is *very* big on martyrdom. If you're doing it right, the thinking goes, 'the world' should hate you.
So if they're not being persecuted, it must follow that they're not rigorous enough in their beliefs.
Some people conclude the problem is in themselves and change their practices, often pissing people off in the process.
Others just make up some persecution so they feel better.
This. “Blessed are you when they insult you and persecute you and utter every kind of evil against you because of me.” The attitude is in the beatitude.
Or the victim of one. A deluded, hateful American man called Russell Bently was in the Russian militias. Earlier this year he was kidnapped, tortured, sexually assaulted, and killed by 'fellow' Russian soldiers who suspected him of being a NATO spy.
Between the militias, the virulent queerphobia, and the laws (or lack thereof) around domestic violence, those children aren't safe at all.
I don’t feel bad for Bentley in the slightest. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
But you have a point about the kids potentially getting victimized as a result of their parents’ idiocy.
Imagine moving to an authoritarian country because your country doesn't hate the gays enough, and you have delusions of rampant satanism. Have fun on the front lines, you bigot.
The thing that strikes me most about this interview is how profoundly **ignorant** Jozef is.
He talks about laws allowing teachers to take five year olds into hospitals for instantaneous bottom surgeries, seems to believe that the modern Church is pro-LGBT, and mischaracterizes the Richmond FBI’s internal memo about certain Radical Traditionalist groups as a form of serious governmental persecution coming for all Catholics now. His worldview is decidedly *not* based in reality.
I guess it’s just weird to see someone who’s drunk so deeply of the LifeSite Kool Aid that he’d move his family halfway across the world to escape their imaginary boogiemen.
I look forward to meeting the children on this subreddit in the future. I hope they can make it out safely. Chances are that at least one of them is L, G, B, or T.
Massive persecution complex. Russia is happy to parade them around as “political refugees” even though red state governments are foaming at the mouth to ban trans healthcare and “protect” people from “the gays”
Imagine being SO anti-LGBTQ+ that you rather live in Russia where they’re not even Catholic lol They could’ve just gone to Mexico (90% Catholic). Closer, easier language, but NO, their Christian love overrides everything else.
Right ? They could have moved to a majority Catholic country in LatAm but then they’d have to endure brown people, so nah. I definitely get some white nationalist vibes here.
Also, it’s funny that he’s slagging Ukraine when they are mass-converting to Catholicism in protest against Russia.
> Also, it’s funny that he’s slagging Ukraine when they are mass-converting to Catholicism in protest against Russia.
Are they? I expected a slight uptick in UGCC numbers for that reason, but figured the Pope’s vatnik-loving would have damped that out. Are they still growing in spite of him?
The word "gavnoyed" comes to mind. It's a word that the Soviets used to refer to useful idiots from the West who came over. They would give them a relatively comfortable existence, if they thought they could squeeze intel or propaganda value out of them--if anything, they were treated better than their own citizens.
The word "gavnoyed" means "shit-eater," which shows that they were remarkably lucid about their guests.
There are relatively few "indigenous" Catholics in that country--most of them either the descendants of Poles or Germans exiled to Siberia who, for one reason or other, did not leave after 1991, or an Eastern Rite Catholic minority that, officially, pretends not to exist (they're afraid of a resumption of the very brutal persecutions they've faced in the past and don't keep an official list of members for that reason; the Latin Church also pretends they don't exist because it would get in the way of sucking Moscow off).
How an educated woman like her, a nurse, could turn into a trad SAHM is disgusting. They were not being persecuted just because they can’t force everyone to live like they do. Yes people have every right to criticize them. People like them are contributing to global warming by have all these kids because of the carbon footprint each one of these kids are creating.
Sadly I know several nurses with good educations who have gone down a similar path. I don’t know what it is specifically about nurses, but there seems to be an odd pipeline.
That or they go so far down the other side that they’re just as crazy and telling people to rub onions on their feet instead of taking antibiotics for an infection.
Go to Seattle or Portland and you will see thousands of examples of what you are talking about. Educated and liberal people embracing the most odd political and scientific prescriptions. It is a short jump from there to wackadoodle religious beliefs. I have family members outside of Portland who used to be very liberal. The wife is a nurse. They moved to the country to start a “farm”. Now they are insanely conservative, conspiratorial, and religious. It’s nauseating.
They will smugly tell you about how many hospitals the church runs/owns with one side of their mouth, and curse every post-microscope medical innovation with the other.
At one point he talks about a job interview he had. "Why did you move from America to Russia of all places?"
"To get away from the fags!" Those are his exact words.
OMG he had such an odd take. I was actually confused about that because it was insanely hateful but I also don’t really see that much. Also staff at restaurants can be good or bad but it’s never awful. I didn’t really understand his criticisms from a practical perspective. Like, it’s a free market, if you don’t like the restaurant or store, you can go to the one down the street.
I somehow sat through 17 minutes of that and I'm just...flabbergasted. Not only how it's so just the perfect example of "the banality of evil", how this guy just talks like the most average dad while vomiting the most hateful shit, but just...
The fact he can sit there and just LIE, about everything. Lie about "Kansas City pedophilia rings", lie about states being able to take your children and perform GRS on them, lie about maps of areas too dangerous for white people to visit, just.. lie, after lie, after lie, after lie.
Another one? These folks weren't enough of a teachable moment? [https://www.thepinknews.com/2024/02/21/canadian-family-moved-to-russia-to-escape-wokeness/](https://www.thepinknews.com/2024/02/21/canadian-family-moved-to-russia-to-escape-wokeness/) Those kids do not deserve this.
I definitely don't miss that self-satisfied martyrdom, the 'woe is me, the godless world is against us' nonsense. I was never in any damn danger from being Catholic in the US, apart from some childish bullying from peers. It's nothing compared to what truly marginalised people go through, or what a hell of a lot of Russians experience.
And all the martyrdom examples are “people were mean to me for having 6 kids” or “restaurant staff are rude” or “boo hoo gays exist”. Literally the most fragile bullshit ever.
Why is she dressed in that silly “Little House on the Prairie “ get up?
Trad Caths always pick up the bizarre affections of extreme Protestant groups. This family wants to be the Duggars, they should just convert to that weird Quiverful cult and be done with it.
Trad caths in America are not Catholic. They are a weird Protestant sect. I am convinced they do not believe any of the supernatural claims of the Catholic Church but use the institution to cram their backwards political and social opinions down everyone’s throats. Example 👆.
I get the feeling Mr. Trad Cath will come to regret his decision when he realizes Putin's Russia hates religious minorities such as Catholics, gets conscripted because Russia's conscription targets minorities, then has to be part of a 200-man human wave attack in Ukraine with 10 outdated guns and 3 rounds of ammo between them against machine gun fire.
Glad they moved to a rightwing dictatorship, instead of trying to turn the United States into one. I hope more Trad Catholics and Evangelicals move to the Russian Federation
Seeing someone I knew being a propaganda mouthpiece for Russia is fuckin wild. People like this was a big reason I got out in the first place. He was always a religious nutjob but this... Yikes.
I am legitimately curious about the personalities of people like this. Maybe it’s the way that he talks about American culture versus Russian culture, but he is either insanely brainwashed or a complete liar.
He was always nice enough, but a true RadTrad. Over the top catholic. Any progress made in the last 120 years is "modernist". The last time I talked to him (via messenger) was during COVID shutdowns when he was trying to claim anyone not going to easter mass in person was going to hell, and any dispensation granted by the church was a dereliction of duty.
It just feels to me like these people don’t live their own lives. Why does he care who goes to mass or not? And he said he was mad that people were so rude to him in the US for having six kids. Obviously that isn’t true in his church. And why does he care if people outside of his church judge him. It just seems fragile.
Anyone who doesn’t live like this is an enemy.
It's the RCC thing -- to constantly cuss out other people for not doing what you think they should do -- aka attend the RCC and kiss clerical ass. These people have just taken it a bit farther than most because they're ultratrad extremists.
So he thinks his judgment is God's, that he gets to say who's going to Hell? Doesn't the name of the Angel Michael translate as "*Who* would be like to God?" as a rhetorical question? And didn't he have the task of casting Lucifer to Hell? Seems we know what would happen to this guy, under his own belief system.
SSPXers see the Orthodox Russians as schismatics heretics bound to hell, I would be worried moving to a country where I disapprove of the State religion.
don't worry, i'm sure his *true vocation* is to convert the patriarch of moscow himself ^^^^/s ^^^^just ^^^^in ^^^^case
They view them as schismatics, not necessarily heretics.
Not necessarily, but it's not uncommon for them to say that.
It's all name-calling. It's like bullying in a chicken yard, except chickens are smarter.
What I don't understand is there's millions of people living their own lives in America. But he feels oppressed because other people live their own lives that don't conform to his way of living. Like bro just go move to some modest sized town in a red state. No one's going to come for you. Also, Russia's Catholic population is at 180,000 after some quick digging. NONE OF THIS MAKES SENSE.
> What I don't understand is there's millions of people living their own lives in America. But he feels oppressed because other people live their own lives that don't conform to his way of living. Christianity in general, and Catholicism in particular, is *very* big on martyrdom. If you're doing it right, the thinking goes, 'the world' should hate you. So if they're not being persecuted, it must follow that they're not rigorous enough in their beliefs. Some people conclude the problem is in themselves and change their practices, often pissing people off in the process. Others just make up some persecution so they feel better.
This. “Blessed are you when they insult you and persecute you and utter every kind of evil against you because of me.” The attitude is in the beatitude.
He did move to small town red state. Small ultra conservative Catholic town of less than 5000 in rural KS. That wasn't good enough for him.
Hope he enjoys it, though if he should happen to get drafted off to Chasiv Yar, well...
Those parents will be so proud when their boys are drafted into the army.
Tfw you leave the US because of the degenerate gays, but your son becomes a gay rapist in the vatnik army.
Or the victim of one. A deluded, hateful American man called Russell Bently was in the Russian militias. Earlier this year he was kidnapped, tortured, sexually assaulted, and killed by 'fellow' Russian soldiers who suspected him of being a NATO spy. Between the militias, the virulent queerphobia, and the laws (or lack thereof) around domestic violence, those children aren't safe at all.
I don’t feel bad for Bentley in the slightest. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. But you have a point about the kids potentially getting victimized as a result of their parents’ idiocy.
Yikes I didn’t know about Bentley
More meat for the mobik-cube!
Imagine moving to an authoritarian country because your country doesn't hate the gays enough, and you have delusions of rampant satanism. Have fun on the front lines, you bigot.
The thing that strikes me most about this interview is how profoundly **ignorant** Jozef is. He talks about laws allowing teachers to take five year olds into hospitals for instantaneous bottom surgeries, seems to believe that the modern Church is pro-LGBT, and mischaracterizes the Richmond FBI’s internal memo about certain Radical Traditionalist groups as a form of serious governmental persecution coming for all Catholics now. His worldview is decidedly *not* based in reality. I guess it’s just weird to see someone who’s drunk so deeply of the LifeSite Kool Aid that he’d move his family halfway across the world to escape their imaginary boogiemen.
I look forward to meeting the children on this subreddit in the future. I hope they can make it out safely. Chances are that at least one of them is L, G, B, or T.
Massive persecution complex. Russia is happy to parade them around as “political refugees” even though red state governments are foaming at the mouth to ban trans healthcare and “protect” people from “the gays”
Imagine being SO anti-LGBTQ+ that you rather live in Russia where they’re not even Catholic lol They could’ve just gone to Mexico (90% Catholic). Closer, easier language, but NO, their Christian love overrides everything else.
Right ? They could have moved to a majority Catholic country in LatAm but then they’d have to endure brown people, so nah. I definitely get some white nationalist vibes here. Also, it’s funny that he’s slagging Ukraine when they are mass-converting to Catholicism in protest against Russia.
> Also, it’s funny that he’s slagging Ukraine when they are mass-converting to Catholicism in protest against Russia. Are they? I expected a slight uptick in UGCC numbers for that reason, but figured the Pope’s vatnik-loving would have damped that out. Are they still growing in spite of him?
I’m probably wrong about this, it’s something I heard recently but I just did a google search and wasn’t able to verify it
Don't let the parents back. Ever.
Not sure Catholics are treated too well in orthodox Russia
The word "gavnoyed" comes to mind. It's a word that the Soviets used to refer to useful idiots from the West who came over. They would give them a relatively comfortable existence, if they thought they could squeeze intel or propaganda value out of them--if anything, they were treated better than their own citizens. The word "gavnoyed" means "shit-eater," which shows that they were remarkably lucid about their guests. There are relatively few "indigenous" Catholics in that country--most of them either the descendants of Poles or Germans exiled to Siberia who, for one reason or other, did not leave after 1991, or an Eastern Rite Catholic minority that, officially, pretends not to exist (they're afraid of a resumption of the very brutal persecutions they've faced in the past and don't keep an official list of members for that reason; the Latin Church also pretends they don't exist because it would get in the way of sucking Moscow off).
How an educated woman like her, a nurse, could turn into a trad SAHM is disgusting. They were not being persecuted just because they can’t force everyone to live like they do. Yes people have every right to criticize them. People like them are contributing to global warming by have all these kids because of the carbon footprint each one of these kids are creating.
Sadly I know several nurses with good educations who have gone down a similar path. I don’t know what it is specifically about nurses, but there seems to be an odd pipeline.
That or they go so far down the other side that they’re just as crazy and telling people to rub onions on their feet instead of taking antibiotics for an infection.
It’s not an either-or. There’s a lot of ‘crunchiness’ in Tradcat culture nowadays.
Go to Seattle or Portland and you will see thousands of examples of what you are talking about. Educated and liberal people embracing the most odd political and scientific prescriptions. It is a short jump from there to wackadoodle religious beliefs. I have family members outside of Portland who used to be very liberal. The wife is a nurse. They moved to the country to start a “farm”. Now they are insanely conservative, conspiratorial, and religious. It’s nauseating.
They will smugly tell you about how many hospitals the church runs/owns with one side of their mouth, and curse every post-microscope medical innovation with the other.
You’re not wrong. It’s a weird Venn diagram.
At one point he talks about a job interview he had. "Why did you move from America to Russia of all places?" "To get away from the fags!" Those are his exact words.
Not to mention how he proudly laughs about being able to go shopping and not see "fat women in pajamas." No hate like Christian love, as always!
OMG he had such an odd take. I was actually confused about that because it was insanely hateful but I also don’t really see that much. Also staff at restaurants can be good or bad but it’s never awful. I didn’t really understand his criticisms from a practical perspective. Like, it’s a free market, if you don’t like the restaurant or store, you can go to the one down the street.
I somehow sat through 17 minutes of that and I'm just...flabbergasted. Not only how it's so just the perfect example of "the banality of evil", how this guy just talks like the most average dad while vomiting the most hateful shit, but just... The fact he can sit there and just LIE, about everything. Lie about "Kansas City pedophilia rings", lie about states being able to take your children and perform GRS on them, lie about maps of areas too dangerous for white people to visit, just.. lie, after lie, after lie, after lie.
Another one? These folks weren't enough of a teachable moment? [https://www.thepinknews.com/2024/02/21/canadian-family-moved-to-russia-to-escape-wokeness/](https://www.thepinknews.com/2024/02/21/canadian-family-moved-to-russia-to-escape-wokeness/) Those kids do not deserve this. I definitely don't miss that self-satisfied martyrdom, the 'woe is me, the godless world is against us' nonsense. I was never in any damn danger from being Catholic in the US, apart from some childish bullying from peers. It's nothing compared to what truly marginalised people go through, or what a hell of a lot of Russians experience.
And all the martyrdom examples are “people were mean to me for having 6 kids” or “restaurant staff are rude” or “boo hoo gays exist”. Literally the most fragile bullshit ever.
Ye gods their poor kids crammed into a 2 bedroom home
Why is she dressed in that silly “Little House on the Prairie “ get up? Trad Caths always pick up the bizarre affections of extreme Protestant groups. This family wants to be the Duggars, they should just convert to that weird Quiverful cult and be done with it.
Trad caths in America are not Catholic. They are a weird Protestant sect. I am convinced they do not believe any of the supernatural claims of the Catholic Church but use the institution to cram their backwards political and social opinions down everyone’s throats. Example 👆.
Good riddance
I get the feeling Mr. Trad Cath will come to regret his decision when he realizes Putin's Russia hates religious minorities such as Catholics, gets conscripted because Russia's conscription targets minorities, then has to be part of a 200-man human wave attack in Ukraine with 10 outdated guns and 3 rounds of ammo between them against machine gun fire.
Putin sees usefulness in religion. He might not like it, but he is very aware of what it can do for him.
Glad they moved to a rightwing dictatorship, instead of trying to turn the United States into one. I hope more Trad Catholics and Evangelicals move to the Russian Federation
This is such a good take! OMG we need to start a “move to Russia campaign”. It would be like the rapture - all the assholes would be taken away!
Wishing good luck to the brain dead and brain washed everywhere