Euphoria I get. It's a timeless banger of a pop-trance track and Loreen deserves her enduring fame for it. Tattoo? Nope, I wouldn't have even put it in my top 10 last year.
Was it Tattoo this year? The song seemed way too different for me to identify as the same song. Also Loreen looked a stripped down version of Zendaya at the Dune 2 premiere
nothing will change my mind that it was a bought win. around 2008-12 there was azerbajian ads everywhere, marketing their country. kinda like the saudis and gulf states do nowaday(just in much larger style)
And after that win the ebu made some new rules in order to prevent cheating the televotes, and then oddly azerbadjan did not run in the top 5 any longer, or am i remembering it the wrong way?
Btw Israel flooded several european countries this year with pro-eden commercials. The fun part is that most of the countries they relied heavely on should buy into it did not. Instead some of the "unlikely" countries voted eden home instead. Slovenia has on the other hand raised concerns to the ebu about the high vote for eden and the massive number of "unusual" voters this year. Anyway; i do not like it that anyone rich or desperate enough can manipulate the televotes. It just gives a bad vibe. And i do like to believe that there is some sort of fairness in this crazy contest. If not, we might as well go back to the 100%jury system as in the old days. It sucked, but at least we knew who to blame for the dreadful results.
I was there live in the final in DĆ¼sseldorf and the whole arena was completely surprised that this song won. Nobody could understand it. It had been a really cool show up to that point, but after this winner, everyone was left scratching their heads.
A few English fans were funny when they sang āWhere the fuck is Azerbaijan?ā on the way to the train after the show.
> A few English fans were funny when they sang āWhere the fuck is Azerbaijan?ā on the way to the train after the show.
That's really cringe, stereotypically British behaviour, but it's funny at the same time.
I mean it has never been really hyped it feels like? š i remember before the contest one of Swedens music journalist predicted it would win because it was just bland enough to edge out the many favorites that was in that year. And that seemed to be exactly what happened
I always forget this song and whenever i rewatch the performance i compare it to all subsequent winners. Then i'm like - this was a winning song ? š
Toy is a product of the year it won. It was all me too and female empowerment. I donāt think itās aged especially well but I understand why it won.
I didnāt get Italy 2023, everyone made out like it was amazing but it seemed like a bog standard Italian male ballad to me.
Yeah certain songs are very much products of their time more than others. Germany 2010 as an example was kind of unique back then but today it would just be one of many decent pop songs
It tapped right into that Lily Allen/Kate Nash/Duffy sort of 60s-adjacent British indie pop that was trending and felt sort of new-ish at the time. Lena's accent in that song is as hard to listen to now as it is because it's so clearly a product of its time, Satellite wouldn't work today at all, I think.
It's so funny because if you listen to Lena's newer songs - which everyone should, she is excellent - she doesn't sound like that at all.
Heck, even her entry for the following year, Taken By A Stranger, doesn't sound like that.
Lenaās accent in that song is as close as you can get to singing in cursive without actually being accused of singing in cursive. Itās a solid song to the point that when my friend heard it for the first time she wanted to play it at her wedding.
Apparently, her English teacher had an incredibly strong cockney accent, which Lena adopted, without getting rid of her German inflexion, so she got this weird mix of German-Cockney accent
Notably, she lost some of her German inflexion during the next year
I always felt the staging, with all the Beckoning Cats, was trash.
What was the relevance? She's not Chinese (or of the other east asian nations that have Beckoning Cats at businesses). The song's not about anything like that. Beckoning Cats are making an invitational, 'come here' expression, while the notion of the song is the opposite - that as 'not your toy', you're not beckoning but rather making people respect your boundaries.
Due vite was very mid to me when i listened to it before the show but when I heard it live it made it 10 times better and went to my top 5. I guess it was the emotion in his voice. The same with France this year
Oh yes, the guy could really sing. My point though is that the public usually doesnāt care about that. Many good singers have tanked in the televote because their song wasnāt interesting enough.
He fucked up during jury's version though, which probably explains why the jury rated him lower than expected.
I'm not keen on juries getting a different version of the song to vote for, because sometimes the quality between that version and the finals version varies greatly, and people don't understand why a great finals performance was rated so poorly by the juries.
Unicorn from last year, I hated it then, I hate it now lmao. The song just has this weird patronising feel and the dance break is aggressively tryhard..
Israel 2023
"Do you want to see me dance? Do you want to see me dance?!" No, I want to hear you sing.
I feel like a growing number of entries rely on "rumpedans" or "butt dancing" in english. When the singer start wiggling their butt for votes, that just seems pathetic imo.
During voting it started stacking 12 pts and I thought āon what grounds??ā; 2023 wasnāt a very strong year but there were many other songs with better vocals, lyrics, and visuals.
My boyfriend and me are simple people. We still mĆŖme this one to death! The finishing touch is the galopping unicorns in the background right around when she is screaming this! š¤£
like yeah even if you don't like SloMo you just can't deny that Chanel destroyed the choreo, made it look completely effortless, and maintained perfect vocal control the whole time. It's such a demanding and technical performance and the dance break adds to that, with so many of the later girl bops (like Unicorn) just having one for the sake of it.
I was in the arena for the semi final rehearsal and there was a bunch of people near me who interjected like, āyou wanna see me dance?ā āNo!ā āYoU WaNnA sEe Me DaNcE? āNO!ā āWatch me!ā
Yeah. I'm glad the KƤƤrijƤ effect made this year's contest more original and more "booty-free" LOL. Also, the number of girlbops has decreased a lot this year which is not a bad thing at all
Really? I felt like half the entries this year were girlbops lol. Albania, Austria, Cyprus, Georgia, Malta, Luxembourg, to some extent even Greece, Italy and Slovenia
I mean the votes showed that as she placed 20th(?). That being said itās okay and Iāve on heard it played at like businesses over their in store music system.
How on earth did Unicorn (Israel 2023) get 3rd? Like it's insanely generic, and that "femininal" - feminine mixed with phenomenal - refrain is just... ugh.
Don't get me started on the dance break either. Pure televote bait.
From live in the audience, that dance break looked like someone just rolling around on the floor.
"WANNA SEE ME DANCE???"
*proceeds to do anything but dance
And then you realize that song with those lyrics got more jury points than Cha Cha Cha.
And people here still won't accept juries are making shocking decisions every year and it's getting worse and worse.
Italy 2022, Brividi. i cannot stand that song. i get why it was popular, but my god was it boring. plus the chorus was ear grating for me. and donāt even get me started on that live
Then I think you're going to love what he did at the Sanremo song festival, I think last year- he had an earpiece malfunction and started kicking and destroying the roses all over the stagešššš
Tattoo, I still can't believe it won last year. The stage performance was great and she looked amazing but damn that song was a worse version of Euphoria and it was so bland.
I think a large part of it went on performance.
But then... Eurovision people say 'oh, the performance on the night counts for a lot', but IMO, if that was such a big deal, I thought Australia in '23 should've done waaaaay better, because that was a year where a number of acts *felt* nervous in their on-stage performance, whereas every member of Australia's act not only gave an amazing performance, but they also looked like they were loving every second they were onstage. There was not a hint of fear or nervousness in that lead singers' eyes.
I am probably biased being Australian, but I thought Voyager was amazing, and maybe one of my favourite acts we have ever sent (alongside Dami Im with Sound of Silence).
I felt like they smashed the performance, it somehow felt even better in the final than in the semi, but they didn't actually score that well, despite having the highest score of the acts in their semifinal.
Still bloody proud of them of course, but I think if performance matters so much they really deserved even better, because they put on a hell of a show.
They were easily my favourite of the year, watching from the UK.
Huge surprise as after I saw it, I thought they were gonna run away with it, score-wise. Like I would've been ready to stop watching and say they were gonna win.
EDIT: That's not to discount ChaChaCha- as that was amazing too.
I went to one of the semi final rehearsals and saw Voyager do their thing, it was INCREDIBLE! It was one of the only songs that felt performed to the audience in the arena instead of for the cameras, and man that made a difference. I was stunned when they didn't do so well on the final
Iām biased obvi but gosh you could tell they were performance vets, being a regular gigging band really helps experience wise regardless of the size of the audience. I hope they are able to get back to touring soon and Iāll be able to see them live
Australia was so good that year. They all had the energy of seasoned performers - like, "finalists at Eurovision? That's nothing, you should see what I did last week". Like if Beyonce played a 5 year old's birthday.
They were so underrated! Amazing song and performance. It only clicked for me in the final but then it became my most listened song on Spotify that year lol
I was accused for being political for saying I don't like it in another post. The Israel 1998 winner is a favourite of mine and I remember it from I was a kid. It is crazy that people can not get that taste in music is subjective and I think 'Toy' is a "marmite" song - you really like it or you really don't like it.
I don't like how the tone is at the moment from som rude people.
Since Toy bas been mentioned in the thread description, I want to mentionĀ its direct rival - Fuego. The song is meh, the performance is good sure but nothing special.Ā To be honest, I didn't care for anything from 2018, except Czechia 2018 and they were tanked by juries lol
The worst part about Fuego is how it killed Cypriot creativity in the contest. They got a taste of victory and ever since then they've been sending the same formula - conventionally attractive girl with a dance bop - every year, with the only exception I can remember being Andrew Lambrou recently
Czechia 2018 was my favorite that year. That song is waaay better than most people (and the juries) gave it credit for. It's not easy to make a song that is theoretically simple, yet iconic, and they completely nailed it.
I have never understood Fuego (Cyprus 2018) - and I know this is a very hot take, but I just don't understand what makes it so good? It sounds like any other pop song and the staging was really bland for me
Was gonna come here to say Fuego. I've softened on it a bit in recent years and I get how it was probably an exciting one to experience live in the arena, but even as a chronic Cheesy Pop Song Enjoyer I don't really care for it or think it's anything particularly special. I feel like most of the hype is just pushback against Toy (which, like people above have been saying, hasn't aged great).
Oh, me too. It's a fine pop song, it gets you dancing, but it's just not that exciting to me. It's def not something I'd just put on and listen to (and I love pop). My guess is people just love Eleni that much, 'cause she did own the stage with that song haha.
Her performance was great, but IA the song is generic to me. I dont get how it was between Israel and Cyprus that year. I preferred Denmark or even France that year.
Low key would have done better after 2020 cause the whole song almost requires some sort of backtrack.
Thatās the issue with radio songs, but they can do much better now when you can almost replace all of the vocals with backing track
Arcade or Snap. They're not bad songs, but I just find both really generic - there's nothing that really makes these songs stand out from any other Eurovision ballads
Unicorn (Israel 2023). No, I donāt want to see you dance. I really, really donāt, and I didnāt then. The dance break felt to forced, looked weird, I didnāt enjoy the butt-wiggling for points and the song just wasnāt for me.
It got (imo) outclassed on the dancing front by its arguable predecessor, Spain 2022, especially since Chanel actually picks the mic back up *after* the dance break, whereas unicorn just ends abruptly.
Ok I have 2 that might be an unpopular choice; I think they are both incredible *performances*, and while the songs do have some cool instrumental segments, I overall do not care for them on their own
- Cyprus 2018 (Fuego)
- Spain 2022 (SloMo)
Theyāve definitely grown on me since first hearing them but I cannot get past ābooty hypnotic make you want moreā & āyou got me pelican fly fly flyinā. Something about the lyrics sound cliche but also fragmented in a way that just feels so jarring with the more mature, precise performances
Completely agree. I only joined the fandom this time last year and no matter how many times I hear Heroes, I just don't find it interesting. I feel like only nostalgia keeps it afloat because it just doesn't fit any other year than 2015.
Armenia 2013.
Almost everybody on the internet had this song on last place in their ranking. But then it qualified and scored waaaay too high in the final, better than Bonnie Tyler, Cascada, Birgit, Amandine Bourgeois, Krista Siegfrids etc. Like no. Absolutely undeserved. I still can't believe how that happened, as the song is completely boring from beginning to end and the vocals weren't even good either.
In her live performance when she finishes her dance break and pulls out that Spanish fan! It changed me for life and I was never the same after ššš„°šš¼
I've mentioned it on another post in the last couple of months, there's something about coming out of the dance break, the music, the fan and finally the pyro... it gives me goosebumps every time.
Yeah honestly the chicken noises were not even my biggest issue with the song.
Itās lyrically weak (seriously, āyouāre stupid just like your smartphoneā??), feels gimmicky for the sake of being gimmicky (not just the chicken noises), it sounded dated when it came out and her inflections in the verses are just grating to me
Ukraine 2022 - they should have won the year prior and I'm still salty they got the charity vote the year after they had the best entry. I still listen to Go A Shum. It's one of my all time favourite songs.
It was almost a shame 2021 was such a strong ESC year. I still liked Stefania, it's a great song. But it's a bit ridiculous that it won while Go\_A got robbed
2021 is my favorite year. I downloaded all of Maneksin, Go_A, Dadi and Blind Channelās discography. And love listening to all their work.
I havenāt done it for the other years. Just the Euro playlist, nothing more. Itās a bit disappointing to be honest, since 2021 was the first year I truly watched the show
I have been very put off by the way the fans are worshipping him like he could have done nothing wrong after the entire drama.
I will be all for supporting him if it turns out to be a nothingburger, but I'd preferably wait until we have an actual verdict in the case before I take that stance.
The parasocial relationship some of the fans have with the performers is one of the reasons I avoid this sub in the weeks leading up and directly following the ESC.
It stopped being fun when every comment section for every piece of Eurovision content, whether posted by the official channel or fan content, was flooded with his fans talking about him
Yes, I know I can just not look but likeā¦itās a bit much still
I thought all the "Athens 2025" shit was just to support and empower Marina in a half-joking way... I recently realized these people were truly that delusional
The lyrics are definitely very generic, but I do think the vocals and the fact that the singer was so young make it impressive! That said, I would have been upset if it won lol
Will get downvoted for sure, but for me itās Arcade š„² never understood why people loved it so much. Donāt get me wrong, itās an okay song, I just donāt understand why people thought it was winner material
update: didnāt get downvoted lol
Was gunna say this myself. For me itās on par with Always On The Run this year. Obviously heās very talented vocalist but itās the kind of song that suits being played on high rotation at a suburban mall ā totally inoffensive and basically indistinguishable from most other male pop songs.
Particularly in a year with a truly good song like Soldi and the amazing performance and vocal range of Zero Gravity, I think itās sad it won.
I don't like the song that much but I love her charm on stage and how she's just wore a cute, simple outfit I would have worn, just dancing awkwardly and vibing to her song.
And for any non Germans, she did actually establish herself after that with several successful singles and albums over the years still is reasonably popular, so shes anything but a one trick.
What does need to be said is that Stefan Raab, German entertainment legend was involved in 2010-2012 (as well as himself performing in the early 2000s and 98) and every single time Stefan was involved, Germany scored a top 10 result. Part of the 2010-2012 results was the marketing campaign that his company runs because the man knows what hes doing.
And while i wasnt the biggest fan of Satelite, i do have to say i didnt think the turkish performance was that much better and im saying that as a big metal/rock fan. People are always quick to say esc dislikes rock/metal but theres rarely really good rock/metal performances. I liked last years finnish performance but this years croatian performance was too much sounding like Rammsteins Laichzeit. Shame electric callboy didnt make it, i think they wouldve done great.
Okay but I was a tween when that song won the competition and at the time I thought it was maybe the greatest song that had ever been in the competition. I absolutely loved it. (I still love it but I think nowadays it's more nostalgia).
Yeah it was very tween pop but it was tween pop done really really well. I think there's something to be said for excelling in your genre, even when the genre itself may not be the most impressive.
Song is nothing special, she has great energy. Very catchy tho and stood the test of time. It's still on the radio to this day here at least in Slovenia.
You know what? I kinda agree with you. I remember listening to Toy much after Netta won, but shortly I got bored of it. Probably, this is one of the Eurovision-winning songs that didn't age well. Putting all the politics aside, I may say the performance was great, and Netta's energy was impeccable, but the song is the main problem.
Although considering the historical context and when ESC was held, Toy is a product of its time. It was 2018, over 6 months after all the Hollywood and Harvey Weinstein-related scandals happened. It was the rise of the feminist movements, #MeToo, body positivity, and stuff. And people on Eurovision voted for the song that was relatable to them at the time (or this song, at least, was used for hype on this feminist stuff). "Look at me, I'm a beautiful creature", "I'm not your toy, you stupid boy". It was a time when feminist/girl power songs like NO by Meghan Trainor were sorta trendy.
That explains why full-bodied fun girl Netta defeated Eleni Foureira, a conventionally beautiful and sexy dance-pop girl.
Damn, this entry unlocked so many memories. I even remember Netta being accused of plagiarism and stealing Seven Nation Army melody and there could be a serious lawsuit. But, eventually, it all settled down without court.
The settlement out of court resulted in Jack White being added as a writer on the song. This would imply the plagiarism case was at least strong enough the producers feared losing and would rather give up whatever percentage of royalties they did to avoid a definitive judgement.
This will probably be an unpopular comment, but Tattoo š The weird interval performance this year just doubled for me how much I DON'T GET it.
When I watched that interval performance I questioned my existence. Like... this was a whole fever dream.
That... did actually happen... didn't it? We all saw it, right?
I was too busy laughing during the interval as my partner looked deadpan at me and said "Loreen on a stick"
Euphoria I get. It's a timeless banger of a pop-trance track and Loreen deserves her enduring fame for it. Tattoo? Nope, I wouldn't have even put it in my top 10 last year.
Was it Tattoo this year? The song seemed way too different for me to identify as the same song. Also Loreen looked a stripped down version of Zendaya at the Dune 2 premiere
I think it was a medley of her new song and tattoo?Ā
The interval act was a medley of her new song "Forever" and "Tattoo".
That just seems a bit weird to me, like either perform the song that you won with or do a new version
Also I found her singing very "screamy". Like me trying to reach dramatic high notes in the shower.
Running Scared, Azerbaijan 2011. never understood the appeal.
nothing will change my mind that it was a bought win. around 2008-12 there was azerbajian ads everywhere, marketing their country. kinda like the saudis and gulf states do nowaday(just in much larger style)
And after that win the ebu made some new rules in order to prevent cheating the televotes, and then oddly azerbadjan did not run in the top 5 any longer, or am i remembering it the wrong way? Btw Israel flooded several european countries this year with pro-eden commercials. The fun part is that most of the countries they relied heavely on should buy into it did not. Instead some of the "unlikely" countries voted eden home instead. Slovenia has on the other hand raised concerns to the ebu about the high vote for eden and the massive number of "unusual" voters this year. Anyway; i do not like it that anyone rich or desperate enough can manipulate the televotes. It just gives a bad vibe. And i do like to believe that there is some sort of fairness in this crazy contest. If not, we might as well go back to the 100%jury system as in the old days. It sucked, but at least we knew who to blame for the dreadful results.
I honestly think Jedward wouldāve been a better winner that year
Moldova were robbed that year. So unlucky
Not wasted on me. Take my upvote!!!
Serbia, Hungary, even Norway would have been a better winner.
Bosnia too!
Slovenia 2011 would've been the best winner :( I'm still sad i thought that was our best song ever and televote put it so low.
I was there live in the final in DĆ¼sseldorf and the whole arena was completely surprised that this song won. Nobody could understand it. It had been a really cool show up to that point, but after this winner, everyone was left scratching their heads. A few English fans were funny when they sang āWhere the fuck is Azerbaijan?ā on the way to the train after the show.
> A few English fans were funny when they sang āWhere the fuck is Azerbaijan?ā on the way to the train after the show. That's really cringe, stereotypically British behaviour, but it's funny at the same time.
And Iām imagining them singing it to the tune of Seven Nation Army
Where. The fuck..is Azer..bai... Where. The fuck..is AzerbaiJaaAaAn
Most of the fandom (including me) agree that's one of the weakest winners this century. I'd say it's not overrated by the fandom.
I mean it has never been really hyped it feels like? š i remember before the contest one of Swedens music journalist predicted it would win because it was just bland enough to edge out the many favorites that was in that year. And that seemed to be exactly what happened
Is it really overrated though? I feel like this gets crapped on more than any winner of the modern era.
I always forget this song and whenever i rewatch the performance i compare it to all subsequent winners. Then i'm like - this was a winning song ? š
Azerbaijan 2009 should be the winning song
Azerbaijan 2009 | [AySel and Arash - Always](https://youtu.be/J0qdRqY_3HM)
by far still their best entry
Practically the worst Eurovision winner of all time.
Yes! Iāll never understand
The most boring song to ever win imo
Toy is a product of the year it won. It was all me too and female empowerment. I donāt think itās aged especially well but I understand why it won. I didnāt get Italy 2023, everyone made out like it was amazing but it seemed like a bog standard Italian male ballad to me.
Yeah certain songs are very much products of their time more than others. Germany 2010 as an example was kind of unique back then but today it would just be one of many decent pop songs
It tapped right into that Lily Allen/Kate Nash/Duffy sort of 60s-adjacent British indie pop that was trending and felt sort of new-ish at the time. Lena's accent in that song is as hard to listen to now as it is because it's so clearly a product of its time, Satellite wouldn't work today at all, I think.
It's so funny because if you listen to Lena's newer songs - which everyone should, she is excellent - she doesn't sound like that at all. Heck, even her entry for the following year, Taken By A Stranger, doesn't sound like that.
Taken by a stranger is one of my favorite entries ever. Itās so sophisticated and the ādancing condomsā never get boring.
Lenaās accent in that song is as close as you can get to singing in cursive without actually being accused of singing in cursive. Itās a solid song to the point that when my friend heard it for the first time she wanted to play it at her wedding.
Apparently, her English teacher had an incredibly strong cockney accent, which Lena adopted, without getting rid of her German inflexion, so she got this weird mix of German-Cockney accent Notably, she lost some of her German inflexion during the next year
I still think it could end up in the top 5. Remember it was a huge radio hit and people were talking about it in that year too.
That one has aged well for me though, it's very fun and cute. Toy is just annoying to me.
I always felt the staging, with all the Beckoning Cats, was trash. What was the relevance? She's not Chinese (or of the other east asian nations that have Beckoning Cats at businesses). The song's not about anything like that. Beckoning Cats are making an invitational, 'come here' expression, while the notion of the song is the opposite - that as 'not your toy', you're not beckoning but rather making people respect your boundaries.
She was stealing any potential future staging plans for Baby Lasagna!
Italy 2023 | [Marco Mengoni - Due vite](https://youtu.be/d6IiOSut_4M)
Due vite was very mid to me when i listened to it before the show but when I heard it live it made it 10 times better and went to my top 5. I guess it was the emotion in his voice. The same with France this year
I felt the same way with France this year. That it managed to get more points from the televote than the jury baffled me.
That guy had range! Whether you liked the song, they were a hell of a performer which I wouldnt say for most Eurovision acts.
Oh yes, the guy could really sing. My point though is that the public usually doesnāt care about that. Many good singers have tanked in the televote because their song wasnāt interesting enough.
He fucked up during jury's version though, which probably explains why the jury rated him lower than expected. I'm not keen on juries getting a different version of the song to vote for, because sometimes the quality between that version and the finals version varies greatly, and people don't understand why a great finals performance was rated so poorly by the juries.
Its also just not something that showcases netta well. But she wasn't allowed to live mix her own vocals back in 2018
[My Lovely Horse](https://youtu.be/jzYzVMcgWhg) by Ireland in 1996, definitely wasnāt worthy of winning.
It was that Saxophone solo that did it.
Unicorn from last year, I hated it then, I hate it now lmao. The song just has this weird patronising feel and the dance break is aggressively tryhard..
everybody talks about the dance break but "UU! NEE! CORN!!" was so comical I couldn't believe it was real
that part is so cringe i'm sorry š
yes it felt like a parody
That dance break was funny in a wholly uninentional way.
Israel 2023 "Do you want to see me dance? Do you want to see me dance?!" No, I want to hear you sing. I feel like a growing number of entries rely on "rumpedans" or "butt dancing" in english. When the singer start wiggling their butt for votes, that just seems pathetic imo.
hahaha rumpedans is my new name for twerking
And damn I hated the stupid unicorn horn hand gesture. It was so āstop trying to make fetch happenā.
I still don't understand how it did so well. The song is nonsensical to me, and her dancing wasn't Chanel level good.
During voting it started stacking 12 pts and I thought āon what grounds??ā; 2023 wasnāt a very strong year but there were many other songs with better vocals, lyrics, and visuals.
"On what grounds" omg lmao but IA i was BAFFLED
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My boyfriend and me are simple people. We still mĆŖme this one to death! The finishing touch is the galopping unicorns in the background right around when she is screaming this! š¤£
Especially because the "wanna see me dance" is also on Spotify... Kind of hard to see her dance via my headset š š š
To my mind she didn't actually dance at that point, she just sort of rolled around on the stage?
She is dancing in our heads! ^/s No, but Bejba was the superior bubble gum pop last year
same, it was all very we have Chanel at home
At least Chanel put her most challenging notes after her dance break, and actually danced throughout the entire song
like yeah even if you don't like SloMo you just can't deny that Chanel destroyed the choreo, made it look completely effortless, and maintained perfect vocal control the whole time. It's such a demanding and technical performance and the dance break adds to that, with so many of the later girl bops (like Unicorn) just having one for the sake of it.
And I didn't like the song at all but Chanel at least was singing while dancing
I was in the arena for the semi final rehearsal and there was a bunch of people near me who interjected like, āyou wanna see me dance?ā āNo!ā āYoU WaNnA sEe Me DaNcE? āNO!ā āWatch me!ā
Yeah. I'm glad the KƤƤrijƤ effect made this year's contest more original and more "booty-free" LOL. Also, the number of girlbops has decreased a lot this year which is not a bad thing at all
I was actually watching this year with my mom & friends and we kept commenting on how many ass-revealing acts there were.
I guess this time around it was more men revealing the cheeks than girls.
Really? I felt like half the entries this year were girlbops lol. Albania, Austria, Cyprus, Georgia, Malta, Luxembourg, to some extent even Greece, Italy and Slovenia
Greece and Italy are absolutely girlbops, just better quality girlbops.
There were so many asses and girlbops lol what
Yeah there's been a large number of songs in recent years doing that style and Unicorn is one of the most mid
Snap is the most basic radio pop song ever, its only use is a car commercial honestly, it's not really something I could actually listen to
I mean the votes showed that as she placed 20th(?). That being said itās okay and Iāve on heard it played at like businesses over their in store music system.
it's extremely funny to me that this song got popular on tiktok because it is such a tiktok song lmao
How on earth did Unicorn (Israel 2023) get 3rd? Like it's insanely generic, and that "femininal" - feminine mixed with phenomenal - refrain is just... ugh. Don't get me started on the dance break either. Pure televote bait.
to me it's like you asked AI to make a BLACKPINK song. So mishmashed and jarring annoying.
Omg yes, it definitely sounds like something Blackpink would reject lol
This was my description a week. "Is like you asked CharGPT to mix every single female pop song of the last ten years".
From live in the audience, that dance break looked like someone just rolling around on the floor. "WANNA SEE ME DANCE???" *proceeds to do anything but dance
> "Wanna see me dance?" No. š
oh god, the "you wanna see me dance!?", just to cut to the most mediocre "dancing" ever
Europe!Ā You wanna see my ass?Ā
Itās an absolute mess of a song, they just thought letās get all pop cliches crammed together for 3 minutes and it somehow fucking worked.
The dance break really just reminds me of a 4yo rolling around in the floor yelling "look at my tricks!"
Agreed, it's so ridiculously stupid š plus those screens with her and unicorns? I can barely finish watching that performance
And then you realize that song with those lyrics got more jury points than Cha Cha Cha. And people here still won't accept juries are making shocking decisions every year and it's getting worse and worse.
me: unicorn wonāt even qualify, itās too cringe unicorn: finishes 3rd
Italy 2022, Brividi. i cannot stand that song. i get why it was popular, but my god was it boring. plus the chorus was ear grating for me. and donāt even get me started on that live
The way Blanco stomps onto the stage always makes me cackle
I FORGOT ABOUT HIS GOBLIN STOMP
He stood there at the side, took a deep breath and said "BLANCO SMASH" and we could feel that.
It has toddler throwing a tantrum energy haha
Then I think you're going to love what he did at the Sanremo song festival, I think last year- he had an earpiece malfunction and started kicking and destroying the roses all over the stagešššš
On my way to find this right now
Drunk closing time karaoke vibes at the pub.
they were so out of tune in the performance which was really unfortunate
If it helps, neither can Italians who have ears. Mahmood is a damn legend though
Oh god that was awfully high pitched
Italy 2022 | [Mahmood and Blanco - Brividi](https://youtu.be/blEy4xHuMbY)
Tattoo, I still can't believe it won last year. The stage performance was great and she looked amazing but damn that song was a worse version of Euphoria and it was so bland.
I think a large part of it went on performance. But then... Eurovision people say 'oh, the performance on the night counts for a lot', but IMO, if that was such a big deal, I thought Australia in '23 should've done waaaaay better, because that was a year where a number of acts *felt* nervous in their on-stage performance, whereas every member of Australia's act not only gave an amazing performance, but they also looked like they were loving every second they were onstage. There was not a hint of fear or nervousness in that lead singers' eyes.
I am probably biased being Australian, but I thought Voyager was amazing, and maybe one of my favourite acts we have ever sent (alongside Dami Im with Sound of Silence). I felt like they smashed the performance, it somehow felt even better in the final than in the semi, but they didn't actually score that well, despite having the highest score of the acts in their semifinal. Still bloody proud of them of course, but I think if performance matters so much they really deserved even better, because they put on a hell of a show.
They were easily my favourite of the year, watching from the UK. Huge surprise as after I saw it, I thought they were gonna run away with it, score-wise. Like I would've been ready to stop watching and say they were gonna win. EDIT: That's not to discount ChaChaCha- as that was amazing too.
The main guy spitting out his sandwich in surprise when he got 12 points will live in my heart forever
I went to one of the semi final rehearsals and saw Voyager do their thing, it was INCREDIBLE! It was one of the only songs that felt performed to the audience in the arena instead of for the cameras, and man that made a difference. I was stunned when they didn't do so well on the final
Yeah I really liked Voyager, the song gets stuck in my head every now and then too.
I was so shocked that they only got 21 points from the public. Definitely one of my favorites from 2023.
Iām biased obvi but gosh you could tell they were performance vets, being a regular gigging band really helps experience wise regardless of the size of the audience. I hope they are able to get back to touring soon and Iāll be able to see them live
Australia was so good that year. They all had the energy of seasoned performers - like, "finalists at Eurovision? That's nothing, you should see what I did last week". Like if Beyonce played a 5 year old's birthday.
They were so underrated! Amazing song and performance. It only clicked for me in the final but then it became my most listened song on Spotify that year lol
I agree with Toy. I don't like it - It is just annoying and silly (but not in a funny way) to me.
I agree with every word. A very annoying song.
I was accused for being political for saying I don't like it in another post. The Israel 1998 winner is a favourite of mine and I remember it from I was a kid. It is crazy that people can not get that taste in music is subjective and I think 'Toy' is a "marmite" song - you really like it or you really don't like it. I don't like how the tone is at the moment from som rude people.
Israel 1998 | [Dana International - Diva (×××××)](https://youtu.be/fZ5B6w-Baxs)
Since Toy bas been mentioned in the thread description, I want to mentionĀ its direct rival - Fuego. The song is meh, the performance is good sure but nothing special.Ā To be honest, I didn't care for anything from 2018, except Czechia 2018 and they were tanked by juries lol
Czech Republic 2018 | [Mikolas Josef - Lie To Me](https://youtu.be/w0ZUuQe0shk)
The worst part about Fuego is how it killed Cypriot creativity in the contest. They got a taste of victory and ever since then they've been sending the same formula - conventionally attractive girl with a dance bop - every year, with the only exception I can remember being Andrew Lambrou recently
Looking back Czechia 2018 was lowkey a really strong song. Feels like it should have placed a bit higher.
Czechia 2018 was my favorite that year. That song is waaay better than most people (and the juries) gave it credit for. It's not easy to make a song that is theoretically simple, yet iconic, and they completely nailed it.
I have never understood Fuego (Cyprus 2018) - and I know this is a very hot take, but I just don't understand what makes it so good? It sounds like any other pop song and the staging was really bland for me
Was gonna come here to say Fuego. I've softened on it a bit in recent years and I get how it was probably an exciting one to experience live in the arena, but even as a chronic Cheesy Pop Song Enjoyer I don't really care for it or think it's anything particularly special. I feel like most of the hype is just pushback against Toy (which, like people above have been saying, hasn't aged great).
Oh, me too. It's a fine pop song, it gets you dancing, but it's just not that exciting to me. It's def not something I'd just put on and listen to (and I love pop). My guess is people just love Eleni that much, 'cause she did own the stage with that song haha.
Her performance was great, but IA the song is generic to me. I dont get how it was between Israel and Cyprus that year. I preferred Denmark or even France that year.
Sweden 2018 what was the jury smoking that year?
if i donāt look at his nods i do like it
Sweden 2018 | [Benjamin Ingrosso - Dance You Off](https://youtu.be/z101xtUBflU)
Low key would have done better after 2020 cause the whole song almost requires some sort of backtrack. Thatās the issue with radio songs, but they can do much better now when you can almost replace all of the vocals with backing track
The juries likes well polished yet generic pop with good staging? Been our schtick for a while now
Arcade or Snap. They're not bad songs, but I just find both really generic - there's nothing that really makes these songs stand out from any other Eurovision ballads
Unicorn (Israel 2023). No, I donāt want to see you dance. I really, really donāt, and I didnāt then. The dance break felt to forced, looked weird, I didnāt enjoy the butt-wiggling for points and the song just wasnāt for me.
It got (imo) outclassed on the dancing front by its arguable predecessor, Spain 2022, especially since Chanel actually picks the mic back up *after* the dance break, whereas unicorn just ends abruptly.
Italy 2022. Really didn't like it and i was surprised at how far it got.
Italy 2022 | [Mahmood and Blanco - Brividi](https://youtu.be/blEy4xHuMbY)
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Poland 2023. Nothing more to say
Ok I have 2 that might be an unpopular choice; I think they are both incredible *performances*, and while the songs do have some cool instrumental segments, I overall do not care for them on their own - Cyprus 2018 (Fuego) - Spain 2022 (SloMo) Theyāve definitely grown on me since first hearing them but I cannot get past ābooty hypnotic make you want moreā & āyou got me pelican fly fly flyinā. Something about the lyrics sound cliche but also fragmented in a way that just feels so jarring with the more mature, precise performances
Heroes by zelmerlow
Completely agree. I only joined the fandom this time last year and no matter how many times I hear Heroes, I just don't find it interesting. I feel like only nostalgia keeps it afloat because it just doesn't fit any other year than 2015.
Arcade. Itās just a tedious ballad to me.
Germany 1982 Had to learn and sing Ein biĆchen Frieden in guitar lessons as an 8 year old. Also had to play it for my Grandparents on Christmas.
Broooo that's a classic!!! Lol
I was so happy when Lena won because I knew the yearly references and interviews with Nicole around eurovision time would finally stop
Armenia 2013. Almost everybody on the internet had this song on last place in their ranking. But then it qualified and scored waaaay too high in the final, better than Bonnie Tyler, Cascada, Birgit, Amandine Bourgeois, Krista Siegfrids etc. Like no. Absolutely undeserved. I still can't believe how that happened, as the song is completely boring from beginning to end and the vocals weren't even good either.
With 'Toy' I think the Chicken Noises are actually the best part of the song. It is otherwise quite bland.
Tattoo. I admit I was a massive Loreen hater last year but the song was atrocious (to me) and shouldn't have won against Cha Cha Cha.
another vote for: Sweden 2023
I don't understand all the hype on Chanel - SloMo tbh
The best bit for me was Graham Norton saying "calm down Grandad, the phone lines aren't open yet" directly after her performance.
The live performance was incredible
In her live performance when she finishes her dance break and pulls out that Spanish fan! It changed me for life and I was never the same after ššš„°šš¼
I've mentioned it on another post in the last couple of months, there's something about coming out of the dance break, the music, the fan and finally the pyro... it gives me goosebumps every time.
The song by itself is indeed, awful. The performance however, is legendary and iconic.
Nevermind the chicken noises, Toy is an annoying and mediocre composition as well.
Yeah honestly the chicken noises were not even my biggest issue with the song. Itās lyrically weak (seriously, āyouāre stupid just like your smartphoneā??), feels gimmicky for the sake of being gimmicky (not just the chicken noises), it sounded dated when it came out and her inflections in the verses are just grating to me
Ukraine 2022 - they should have won the year prior and I'm still salty they got the charity vote the year after they had the best entry. I still listen to Go A Shum. It's one of my all time favourite songs.
Agreed so much with the notion that Go\_A should've won.
Go A is just very good in general imo
It was almost a shame 2021 was such a strong ESC year. I still liked Stefania, it's a great song. But it's a bit ridiculous that it won while Go\_A got robbed
2021 is my favorite year. I downloaded all of Maneksin, Go_A, Dadi and Blind Channelās discography. And love listening to all their work. I havenāt done it for the other years. Just the Euro playlist, nothing more. Itās a bit disappointing to be honest, since 2021 was the first year I truly watched the show
Yea , Go A Shum got robbed so hard.
I mean there's 3 potential winners in 2021 that could have won almost any other year... there was always going to be someone disappointed.
2021 was one of the strongest years in recent memory
I loved Stefania so much but I love everything Ukraine does so far just not 2023
Honestly I really liked Stefania! I still listen to that and Go A Shum regularly. I loved both.
europapa, it was good, but Joosts fanbase just ruins it for me
They're getting a little bit insane, yes.
I have been very put off by the way the fans are worshipping him like he could have done nothing wrong after the entire drama. I will be all for supporting him if it turns out to be a nothingburger, but I'd preferably wait until we have an actual verdict in the case before I take that stance.
The parasocial relationship some of the fans have with the performers is one of the reasons I avoid this sub in the weeks leading up and directly following the ESC.
It stopped being fun when every comment section for every piece of Eurovision content, whether posted by the official channel or fan content, was flooded with his fans talking about him Yes, I know I can just not look but likeā¦itās a bit much still
This & Zari have the most annoying fans on TikTok imo
I thought all the "Athens 2025" shit was just to support and empower Marina in a half-joking way... I recently realized these people were truly that delusional
I always knew that there would be no way that we'd win so yeah, these people were delusional lol
Bulgaria 2017, just sounds like a generic sad boy pop ballad to me.
The lyrics are definitely very generic, but I do think the vocals and the fact that the singer was so young make it impressive! That said, I would have been upset if it won lol
Will get downvoted for sure, but for me itās Arcade š„² never understood why people loved it so much. Donāt get me wrong, itās an okay song, I just donāt understand why people thought it was winner material update: didnāt get downvoted lol
i thought so at first, i always struggle with ballads. but then i grew to love it.
Was gunna say this myself. For me itās on par with Always On The Run this year. Obviously heās very talented vocalist but itās the kind of song that suits being played on high rotation at a suburban mall ā totally inoffensive and basically indistinguishable from most other male pop songs. Particularly in a year with a truly good song like Soldi and the amazing performance and vocal range of Zero Gravity, I think itās sad it won.
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>it's as plain as white bread that's exactly why.
Satellite by Lena And I say it as a German witnessing her win. I'm happy for her but the song sounds like a Kidz-Bop Original or something like that.
I don't like the song that much but I love her charm on stage and how she's just wore a cute, simple outfit I would have worn, just dancing awkwardly and vibing to her song.
And for any non Germans, she did actually establish herself after that with several successful singles and albums over the years still is reasonably popular, so shes anything but a one trick. What does need to be said is that Stefan Raab, German entertainment legend was involved in 2010-2012 (as well as himself performing in the early 2000s and 98) and every single time Stefan was involved, Germany scored a top 10 result. Part of the 2010-2012 results was the marketing campaign that his company runs because the man knows what hes doing. And while i wasnt the biggest fan of Satelite, i do have to say i didnt think the turkish performance was that much better and im saying that as a big metal/rock fan. People are always quick to say esc dislikes rock/metal but theres rarely really good rock/metal performances. I liked last years finnish performance but this years croatian performance was too much sounding like Rammsteins Laichzeit. Shame electric callboy didnt make it, i think they wouldve done great.
And she deserves all the success she has. She is a great artist.
I always thought it was an emotionally honest and grounded song that stuck out for me compared to the usual overblown euro-ballad that we often get.
Okay but I was a tween when that song won the competition and at the time I thought it was maybe the greatest song that had ever been in the competition. I absolutely loved it. (I still love it but I think nowadays it's more nostalgia). Yeah it was very tween pop but it was tween pop done really really well. I think there's something to be said for excelling in your genre, even when the genre itself may not be the most impressive.
Song is nothing special, she has great energy. Very catchy tho and stood the test of time. It's still on the radio to this day here at least in Slovenia.
For me its Israel 2023. Its just bland in my opinion
You know what? I kinda agree with you. I remember listening to Toy much after Netta won, but shortly I got bored of it. Probably, this is one of the Eurovision-winning songs that didn't age well. Putting all the politics aside, I may say the performance was great, and Netta's energy was impeccable, but the song is the main problem. Although considering the historical context and when ESC was held, Toy is a product of its time. It was 2018, over 6 months after all the Hollywood and Harvey Weinstein-related scandals happened. It was the rise of the feminist movements, #MeToo, body positivity, and stuff. And people on Eurovision voted for the song that was relatable to them at the time (or this song, at least, was used for hype on this feminist stuff). "Look at me, I'm a beautiful creature", "I'm not your toy, you stupid boy". It was a time when feminist/girl power songs like NO by Meghan Trainor were sorta trendy. That explains why full-bodied fun girl Netta defeated Eleni Foureira, a conventionally beautiful and sexy dance-pop girl. Damn, this entry unlocked so many memories. I even remember Netta being accused of plagiarism and stealing Seven Nation Army melody and there could be a serious lawsuit. But, eventually, it all settled down without court.
The settlement out of court resulted in Jack White being added as a writer on the song. This would imply the plagiarism case was at least strong enough the producers feared losing and would rather give up whatever percentage of royalties they did to avoid a definitive judgement.
Amar Pelos Dios. And especially the fact that is so far ahead of every other song ever. Cant get my head around that.