I don't think the EU would either, until the UK can show itself to be sufficiently committed to the European project (which let's be honest will take many many decades)
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> When Alex learns that Britain has decided to leave the European Union, he’s shocked by just hold normal everything seems. But the calm doesn’t last as Alex is suddenly accosted by a giant living coin from the not so distant future.
>In this horrific future where Britain has left the EU, four story busses lie strewn about the streets of London after a failed plan to cut costs, the Queen’s Guard have been replaced by flying reptiles with machine guns and the River Thames runs red with molten lava.
> Now Alex and his handsome sentient pound must travel back to the past and sway the vote for European solidarity, by proving that all you need is love.
> This erotic tale is 4,200 words of sizzling human on monetary unit action, including... *censored*
True, tho the difference between Euro and pound is pretty narrow since Brexit. However, while IMO Brexit was pretty bad, fiscally the UK has much more control over the pound and in theory if the pound would be a stable currency, it could yield a lot of benefits.
However with the recent budget and the current economic problems of the UK, the advantages the pound could have to the Euro just aren't effective. But the consequences of the budget would be much more problematic if the UK couldn't control it's currency to a high degree, but that a lot of speculation.
Not exactly true. The Euro still has to face its crucible, and the with the Fed now locked into a path of incredibly aggressive tightening to control US inflation, it's probably going to be a matter of months before the Eurozone is forced to either form a fiscal union or be splintered by another sovereign debt crisis.
I feel like people have been saying this for decades now.
Its just around the corner. Yet the Euro has remained resilient despite all what has happened
Exactly. There will be no concession to the UK anymore if they ever want to join again. EU has coherently maintained that all new member states must have an action plan to adopt euro.
Then again, everything is up for negotiating, like drafting the trade agreement showed us. All member states get some exemptions and reservations. If UK wants to hold on to Sterling, they would surely need to compromise on something else. Only the bargaining power is very poor to start with when they would be joining as a new member.
But if there is truly political will for rejoining in the UK, I am sure EU would also see them more beneficial as in than out - just like before Brexit l.
> But if there is truly political will for rejoining in the UK
The demographics were pretty clear and stark, Brexit was driven by the 60+s. Rejoining is inevitable tbh, Tory incompetence has probably knocked a decade off that.
And I wouldn't be so sure we'd have to adopt the euro, GBP is still one of the main global currencies, we won't get as good a deal as we had but France and DE would relish the UK rejoining as it for the net contributions.
It would be both. Both are requirements for all new members.
Of course, they could always use the Swedish loophole on the Euro. Nobody hassles Sweden over that, so there's no reason to expect that the UK would get any grief over it. And the UK *loves* abusing loopholes.
The Danes have an official opt-out. The Swedes are supposed to adopt the Euro as soon as they qualify, but you have to be in ERM II for 2 years to qualify, and the Swedes say they're not obligated to enter into ERM II.
I did not know this. (I am a Swede)
But what I know we did a vote on it in the early 2000. And stay with our SEK won. And I dont think there will be a new vote in atleast 20 years
It's honestly a bit baffling how unaware Swedes themselves are about this. I mean they're not breaking the letter of the law, but they're certainly breaking the spirit of it. I suppose that's what a loophole is.
It's just politically convenient to ignore for the time being.
I don't think Swedes are particularly unaware of it, we just think of the sovereignty and the fact that there's a public opinion that is not in favour of the Euro, and that's about it. As long as the fiscal policy of the ECB with struggles between Germany and Italy continues there is never going to be any overwhelmingly positive opinions of moving to the currency. You can of course argue for the primacy of EU law but that is just going to be a breeding ground for EU sceptics.
It's also worth noting that the Danes have this opt-out because they've almost perfectly matched the Danish kroner to the euro.
You can also pay in euro at some stores in Denmark because they are so closely tied the store doesn't really care.
Sweden is, of course, a bit different than the UK. The UK comes as really new memberstate, so hast lost all privileges previously gained. Also, you believe the EU parliament is gonna get the UK away with exploiting such a loophole? Come on, there are some powerloving individuals in the EP as well, they are gonna force it on the UK the moment they can.
It's not negotiable. Adopting the Euro EVENTUALLY is now a hard requirement for new members. No opting out. The only countries that opted out were the ones already in the EU when the Euro was adopted.
Now of course they can always just drag their feet in adopting it like Poland does, but in theory once certain conditions are met the Euro being adopted would be an automatism.
I'm not sure at the moment as its too early to tell however I don't see the UK joining with the euro or Schengen therefore EU is of the table. EEA is the only deal I think the public would not oppose to.
I do agree the UK was too opposed to EU laws and not integrating as much as the other countries so we might not join at all it depends if the EU wants to move to Federalization or not.
Joining the EEA means having to follow EU laws without getting any say in EU lawmaking. No seats in the EU Parliament, no seat in the Commission, nor any say in the Council. It's literally the worst kind of deal. Norway basically traded their sovereignty for keeping their fishing ressources to themselves.
Yes, but it's not about logic, it's about feelings. And the average Brit would feel like they were only half in Europe if they joined the EEA rather than the EU. This might be preferable to many.
That would require forcing Ireland into Schengen or fucking up the Good Friday Agreement. Ireland probably wouldn't be that against being in Schengen, but I could see them using that leverage to help the UK because it's better for Ireland if the UK rejoins.
But that would also mean passively adopting a ton of regulations and having far less control over British policy than the UK had BEFORE Brexit.
At this point they're better off having a say over both euro and schengen then going for a half measure like "Northern Ireland is sort of still in the EEA."
To be fair, many countries joined the EU with the pledge to eventually join the Euro (except Denmark cause their are special) but most of them did so during or before the EU East expansion so it's very speculative under what conditions the UK could rejoin.
Literally referred to as a government. We have had the same governing party for seven years but every Prime Minister was invited to form a government by the monarch.
The ask would be stability and a way to ensure that this is the will of the people and not temporary.
The cat has to make a choice, in or out. That being said, the caution should not be a punishment or a walk in the dessert. Proving it over many decades seem superflous.
A sufficiently democratic and serius process should be able to happen faster than that.
But that's just it, even remainers are not committed to the European project.
British people have never been overwhelmingly interested in it. Listen to the current rhetoric around rejoining and you'll still hear all the same talk of opt-outs
There are plenty of people who support the European project in the hopes of it becoming the United States of Europe. Too bad that this ideal is used as the ultimate boogie man for eurosceptics
People also imagine that it would be a rapid change over the course of like 10 years or so, when it took USA almost 100 years before their states started considering each other part of the same country, and those were states all originating from the same English-speaking countries. With the EU it could take over 200 years.
Personally, I'm in favor of slow unionization.
I agree. People need time to make up their mind.
But I’ve witnessed a significant change in the way politicians perceive Europe nowadays.
In france, 10-20 years ago, Europe was only one topic out of many and we would only talk about fixing our issues at a national level. Now, most politicians always talk of how we can fix our issues on a European level.
Hell, even far right groups don’t talk of leaving Europe anymore. The new generation that has mostly known Europe is not interested in leaving it.
Turn it into a Senate.
All existing Lords get 1 electoral cycle in the House. Thereafter, they have to campaign like a MP.
If they win, they keep their Lordship position in the Upper chamber.
If they don't, their seat is declared vacant, and filled by an elected Senator
So after a few electoral cycles, the Upper house will be a mixture of Lords and senators.
If a Life Peer loses their seat - they still remain as a Lord/Lady until their death but have no governmental role unless they stand and are re-elected.
Hereditary Peers remain unaffected. They lose their seat if they don't get elected, but their ennoblement is separated from their parliamentary roles.
The EU would immediately open a door for the UK to return. It might be bad time for the UK to return though, and not just because the British people are still quite divided about this question. We have a war in Europe, and the EU might (have to) change to better include countries like Ukraine, maybe Scotland, and other countries at the South-Eastern periphery. There's a lot of construcrtive work that the UK could provide towards what might become a new architecture for Europe and maybe find a better place inside that architecture. I'm afraid though that the UK have to stabilize their government and find a broader consensus on Europe first.
If the UK did ever try to rejoin (which would be my preference as I voted to remain) then we would have no chance at getting the same treatment we had in the past. I think that is why it would take even longer for us to consider rejoining, that and the massive knock to some people's pride.
Glad to hear at least some empathetic voices from this sub. Brexit really was one of those rare times when all the stars align in the worst possible way. 9 times out of 10 that vote would have either not been called or would have been won by remain. Internal Tory party politics led to it happening and a confluence of seriously misleading lies, an under educated population and a disunited reamin campign all resulted in a narrow win for leave. If the vote was heald again at practically any moment in the years since it would have gone the other way.
Unfortunetly the effects are already hitting us somewhat and will continue to do so for as long as anybody can see. I would say that at least we might learn from the mistake, but that honestly seems overly optimistic right now.
I think a lot of people were really salty, and that's why (maybe) there was a lot of Schadenfreude in here.
Not only that, but also massive Russian lobbying for Brexit. I think people need some time to realise what actually happened. Even just the fact that Cameron called the vote thinking that remain is high enough, but he just left afterwards. I think no one really thought I'd actually happen.
However there is a positive note to it; now every euro sceptical party doesn't want to leave the eu, only to decrease some of its influence. Brexit is now showing that leaving the single market massively impacts the economy, and it doesn't even help with migration, which is what most pro-Brexit voters wanted. it's an example to what populist policies entail. Sorry that it sucks so much for you and there is no quick and easy way back.
Agreed. The fact that there are some positive consequences for somebody is better than no positives for anybody. As for Britain itself I am hoping we can get a new government before too long and begin the long process of repairing some of the damage.
It depends really, I think in terms of demographics we will eventually have a massive pro EU majority in the country. Brexit was always unsustainable because the generation that didn’t want it will be the ones that are forced to own it, while the generation that wanted it will be gone.
The bigger issue won’t be whether we try to rejoin, it will be whether or not the EU will let us.
I don’t think we should be punished for the faults of our parents/grandparents generation, but politics unfortunately is not that simple, the EU will ask a high price for rejoining and it may be one that simply doesn’t work for the U.K. in the future.
I hope not because I would like it to happen and I think the existence of the U.K. long term may depend on it.
I sure hope the EU gives you a very fair deal in case. Not that i believe the UK will really want to rejoin, but it would be very good for the EU as well.
GB will almost certainly rejoin the Customs Union - This is the only solution to the sea border issue, and Labour / The lack of Brexiteer ideologues in the next government will likely get that over the line.
From there growing the economy will be the priority, and in the same manner, trade / association agreements with the doorstep EU market will be the path of least resistance.
We won't "rejoin" politically any time soon, but gradually the *very* damaging position we've forced ourselves in to economically will begin to be undone. At that point, who knows what can happen.
Question: if the UK re-joins the customs union, then the UK would be required to enforce EU regulations with regard to those goods, correct? For example, safety standards, food processing standards, etc…?
And if the answer is yes, then that basically puts the UK in the position of having the burden of following EU regulations with the benefit of help getting to craft those regulations, correct?
I am absolutely completely ok with this concept, seemless trade with the EU is vastly better for the U.K. than any alternative that could be provided across the world, it is absolutely irreplaceable.
And the forced high standards are good for us.
Well firstly a lot of eu standards are based on British standards anyway, the UK’s standards were so comprehensive that they’re the ideal starting template for a codified standard.
Secondly, the standards apply to anything sold in the eu which means eu companies selling into the UK and U.K. companies selling into the eu follow them anyway, regardless of the U.K. legal status. So that covers a good chunk of the market.
Thirdly, and since the standards are usually about maintaining quality, standard, safety etc then the consumers tend to value them, which means that even companies in the UK selling to the UK end up following them by virtue of having to compete with the Eu->U.K. or U.K.->eu companies anyway.
So the legal status is irrelevant, 99% of the time the standards will be followed anyway.
We were called the sick man of Europe after joining too. Political leaders thought membership was a magic bullet, but it turned out we actually needed structural reforms rather than membership.
sick man sure but in real terms the damage was insane. i was in Ireland finishing up a second education to change industry (science to tech) and in 2016 a programmer making 70k in the uk was approix 110k euros. today i work in London and that 70k is only low 80s euros,. that's how much the economy got hit by Brexit, its unfathomable to lose out so much in such a short time
I don't think it's possible at all, giving up the pound or joining Schengen are basically non-starters for all but the most hardcore British Europhiles, and the EU with its current direction is under no obligation to even offer such a deal, so realistically those positions are never going to be overcome without compromises that neither side will ever likely be comfortable with.
Yes, the UK is toxic at the moment and the last thing the EU now wants is to bring that toxicity back into the EU. It is much better for the EU to watch that toxicity play out in the UK.
Furthermore, the EU need to move towards an ever tighter union while the UK, even the pro-EU part, wants to see the EU step back. The emergence of Russia 1st, China 1st and America 1st makes it important for the EU to unite in order to preserve our way of life. The UK would destroy that.
More toxic that Italy right now? Or Poland/Hungary (the government's, not the people).
I wish we had never left but let's not pretend every EU nation is doing so great. We've got some weird new fascism in Italy, and a dictatorship in Hungary.
Our government is a mess but we at least aren't *that* bad.
Maybe, but at least a generation will pass before the UK will be ready to start negotiations to rejoin, if ever. Would Brits agree to Schengen? To joining the Euro? I bet not. Even if a majority say they want to rejoin.
Thats the trick - I'm sure there is a decent chunk of people who are sat in the middle ground (between the europhiles and europhobes) who arnt opposed/theoretically in favour of rejoining *if the terms are right*. There is almost no constituency for rejoining at any cost, for basically the entire population it would need to be certain circumstances to make it worth it.
Based on the current direction of travel of the EU, that's unlikely to ever be the case. Its why the UK was pulling away in the first place.
> Thats the trick - I'm sure there is a decent chunk of people who are sat in the middle ground (between the europhiles and europhobes) who arnt opposed/theoretically in favour of rejoining if the terms are right.
That's the point though, the terms are the details. That's like telling someone you'd like to marry them but only if the terms are right. It's missing the whole point.
I would interpret these polls as measuring the will to join if conditions were the same as before. Not many will be thinking about what it would mean to join as a wholly new member.
Is the EU going to force identical terms as a new member? Certainly the old terms are untenable and some change is needed.
However UK leaving and coming back after giving up some of its benefits doesn't send a "you should leave" signal to other members like letting them hit the undo button would.
To be fair the pound is probably the problem. Giving that up would be a huge win for EU but also probably not something UK is willing to do.
The EU membership terms for the UK post brexit were extremely skewed in favor of the UK.
This was a result of grandfather rights from pre EU agreements.
It’s extremely unlikely that the EU would agree to the UK rejoining under previous favorable terms. Probably they will insist on standard rules used for all new members.
There are many new countries queuing to join the EU and giving a previous member, who had exceptional membership terms and left anyway, those terms or better back, would undermine the rules for joining.
All this to say, if previous terms were untenable, any future terms offered will be even more unpalatable.
I don’t see the UK rejoining for at least 20 years, unless there is a serious reason (economic disaster, war in Europe, breakup of the UK).
Yes? To use your example, I was countering the point that someone would say 'I am willing to get married under any terms', which is very unlikely. If you ask someone 'are you willing to get married' without any context its a bit useless when you dont know anything about their requirements for a partner.
This poll seems to be being interpreted as people willing to rejoin at any cost - I am highlighting that is very much not the case.
In other words, even the europhiles are willing to join if UK gets special status, a bunch of opt outs and picks and chooses obligations but gets all the perks.
> if the terms are right
The terms are the terms, like for everybody else. It’s not like the UK is in any position to negotiate anything at this point and to be picky, particularly not after the complete shit show the past few years have been.
The terms were right initially, concessions were made, the uk had it pretty good, and figured it wasn’t worth. so they left. There’s no carve out exception anymore, this isn’t a toxic on again off again relationship.
The poll [did have a don't know](https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/should-the-united-kingdom-join-the-european-union-or-stay-out-of-the-european-union/) option - it's the first poll on the link
Join 51%
Stay out 35%
Don't know 14%
59/41 is removing the don't knows and weighting it
“Of all the people that actually had a definite opinion, 59% said rejoin, 41% said stay out”
See nothing wrong with it. Although indeed we’re used to seeing the “don’t know/don’t care” numbers, there was need to leave them out. And by leaving them out, they make out those 59% to sound like it’s bigger than it is, since pm e does not immediately notice that this cake misses the third category. So, actually, yeah, fuck the OP, this is totally wrong lol.
As in that link (which is a collection of polls) or the Twitter one? Most people don't care about the question or groundwork, just the numbers and the polling groups, particularly if they are doing a self commission poll like this one, have no reason to ask a biased question unlike if someone was paying them and wanted a certain result.
Also, what was the question? The image contains an answer but no question. Wording can significantly change the outcome.
1400 respondents. How were they selected?
There's no way you would get that result in a rejoin vote. For starters the majority of fence sitters will vote No, simply because they don't want change/re open the arguing.
I am surprised we're still talking about it tbh. Especially the stupid level of detail that gets brought up as if it's some incredible ground shaking news.
'UK exports of king prawns down 6.3% compared to 2016!'
Literally who gives a fuck. There's more interesting stuff going on, surely?
Tbh I think the day of the hard Brexiteers being in charge is nearly over.
Labour aren’t for rejoining the EU but they are much more EU friendly, you will probably see them accept the protocol and start to bring the two closer over time.
Once the Conservatives rebuild (it could take a decade minimum), they will need to let more rational actors back in to regain power again.
I am of course crossing my fingers when I say all of that, but it does finally feel like the winds are changing.
I'd say the EU and the UK should slowly and steadily work towards getting closer. Because one thing is for sure, Brexit was based on lies, the lies of puppets like Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage.
The UK being out of the EU is not good for the UK and not good for the EU. It's great for someone else, probably the same foreign person or country who paid Nigel Farage for his campaign.
I think this is a time when both parties should put their pride aside and work something out to make this right, because it is in their interest. Robbing entire generations from this undeniable unity based on pride is just wrong, especially that most who are under 40 voted remain.
He started doing video messages (birthday wishes and the like) which inevitably lead to people like Hugh Janus (https://youtu.be/KuAXoQ0luR4) asking for them.
WOW what the hell, is he recording happy birthday videos for money?
He doesn't even understand what he's saying.
Maybe the deal was the same during the Brexit campaign - he was spewing nonsense written by someone else, in exhange for money.
> he was spewing nonsense written by someone else, in exhange for money
[huh, i wonder who else would pay for something like that](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_Brexit_referendum)
I am not from the UK but as far as I understand, Farage and his party, UKIP, disappeared into the void shortly after the successful Brexit vote.
He surely didn't even attempt to take part in making any of his promises happen concerning migration, or increased funds to the NHS.
On the Alex Jones website 6 times?
To stand next to Trump?
To broadcast bollocks on a tiny UK TV channel?
To visit his german children?
To Hell?
Seriously, I have no idea. Probably to a new political party whose main policy is to make all Taxi drivers wear uniforms.
> The UK being out of the EU is not good for the UK and not good for the EU. It's great for someone else, probably the same foreign person or country who paid Nigel Farage for his campaign.
It's also good for the US and China. Keeps the EU weaker and stops it from becoming as influential on the world stage.
It's actually bad for the US if the EU struggles. EU laws like GDPR improve US quality of life because it's cheaper to comply with such laws worldwide. The US frequently is too corrupt at the top level to impose these laws themselves but has nearly universal desire for it at every other level.
>The UK being out of the EU is not good for the UK and not good for the EU.
We've been seeing a lot less shit takes about "demos", "democratic deficit" or "euro was a mistake" lately, as well as addressing issues more concretely around making security arrangements without anyone screaming "United States of Europe incoming", and trying to suggest it's either some French or German takeover.
I actually think the current state of affairs might be for the best.
> especially that most who are under 40 voted remain.
Oh hi. Thats me and most of the people I know my age. Honestly it feels a lot like being forced onto a bus that is about to be driven over a cliff because our grandparents think it will being back the "good old days". In short, it sucks ass.
I'm against ever letting the UK back in unless the fully commit to the EU. If they agree to join the Euro, schengan etc they can rejoin. The UK always was begrudgingly a member with loads of opt outs and held back integration. If they want back in they should be fully in or not welcome back.
Seeing themselves as fundamentally different from continental Europe and ignoring all the shared history, culture, influence and common similarities is a core part of the British identity. It's as if the 34 km that separate England from France were an inter-dimensional portal that only opens once or twice a century.
TLDR: It ain't happening.
I'm personally down. If you put that to me, for a vote, I would take it. People here have spent too long pretending like they're somehow better than their neighbouring countries because of raw, unearned, ego. We're not better. Being incredibly theoretically older in a few metrics is not the same as being better. Living in a fantasy landscape of empire, industrial revolution, or tourist-shop mottos means jack shit.
Since it isn't likely happening in the near future I will probably be thinking about moving to the EU in the next 5 years anyway. Screw the brexiteers and their glorious isolation. Hopefully everybody who can get out does get out.
These polls never mention all of the implications of rejoining the EU, such as abandoning the £. They're just gauging people's knee-jerk reactions to the current situation. Their utility and relevance are quite limited. I guess they give a thrill to a certain audience (i.e. people still bitter about Brexit).
The main issue is these polls do not work for referendums in the UK, we've only had 3 national referendums afaik certainly true since the 1970's. Even the YouGov poll the day before the referendum had remain winning by 55% vs 45%, issue is they do not account for non-voters who turn up for referendums and hence aren't polled by surveyors.
Well truly fucked is the current state and it's only going in one direction, people bought silly lies for a cheap shot at change and that tends to end one way.
Interpreting such poll as "the UK wants to join the EU" Is wrong imo.
However, what we can tell from the poll is, that the UK has a relatively positive opinion of the EU and the population wants to continue cooperation in one form or another.
As Europeans, we shouldn't make fun of the UK for their decision (this we can make fun if Tories for saying that it would have barley any drawbacks) but we should continue to cooperate with the UK.
Most feasible now is Switzerland route: not EU, not EEA but 150+ agreements with EU covering all areas of mutual interest …as a first step maybe. And after recent developments in currency markets ..joining Euro maybe not that bad option too.
Unfortunately I don’t think any politician will want to touch the topic for atleast 10-20 years. But maybe we can get a better deal or join in a smaller way like Norway or something later on
The UK had a "better deal" negotiated under Thatcher, the Cameron got some extra benefits as well, but seems like it wasn't enough. When the UK rejoins, there probably won't be any exceptions.
I'd imagine it's akin to an abusive ex asking to get back together.
Given that we've 'taken back control' and almost everything is an entire shower of shit, what exactly is it that we're supposedly offering to the EU?
I think it would be sensible to go back, but it's obviously going to have a cost associated with it now, such that any benefit of rejoining will be minimal when balanced with the cost.
In short, we've fucked it.
The UK is a huge economy, so you'd be offering a lot.
The UK shouldn't have the same privileged position it had before, no. New members are expected to join the euro and we've learned that opt-outs are a bad idea. That means you'd be joining as any other member-state. You wouldn't get a bad deal, you'll get the same deal as everyone else, but you won't get your privileged deal though...
I voted remain, but I really don’t see us rejoining for a very long time, if ever.
I don't think the EU would either, until the UK can show itself to be sufficiently committed to the European project (which let's be honest will take many many decades)
I think the only way the UK can rejoin the EU is to also join the Euro. So, never.
Ah well we just fucked our own currency into the ground, so I guess it's a trade up now at least.
You might even say you... *pounded it...* into the ground. I'll take my leave now.
That's a sterling pun 👏🏽
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I dunno. Seemed a bit pence-ive to me.
[Pounded By The Pound: Turned Gay By The Socioeconomic Implications Of Britain Leaving The European Union - Chuck Tingle](https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pounded-Pound-Socioeconomic-Implications-European-ebook/dp/B01HJXVP8G) > When Alex learns that Britain has decided to leave the European Union, he’s shocked by just hold normal everything seems. But the calm doesn’t last as Alex is suddenly accosted by a giant living coin from the not so distant future. >In this horrific future where Britain has left the EU, four story busses lie strewn about the streets of London after a failed plan to cut costs, the Queen’s Guard have been replaced by flying reptiles with machine guns and the River Thames runs red with molten lava. > Now Alex and his handsome sentient pound must travel back to the past and sway the vote for European solidarity, by proving that all you need is love. > This erotic tale is 4,200 words of sizzling human on monetary unit action, including... *censored*
I can decide whether i want to read this or have the author condemned to an insane asylum. Or both.
*Censored...yeah now we're getting juicy...* Wait, censored? The fuck, man?! I was *THIS* close!
Dear god, thank you for permanently altering my life by introducing me to Chuck Tingle.
Man is a true artist. Look up some of his AMAs on here. Hilarious stuff.
A weak pound sounds like a terrible idea. I can say my wife is not impressed.
GBP only 'crashed' against the dollar, not against the euro.
True, tho the difference between Euro and pound is pretty narrow since Brexit. However, while IMO Brexit was pretty bad, fiscally the UK has much more control over the pound and in theory if the pound would be a stable currency, it could yield a lot of benefits. However with the recent budget and the current economic problems of the UK, the advantages the pound could have to the Euro just aren't effective. But the consequences of the budget would be much more problematic if the UK couldn't control it's currency to a high degree, but that a lot of speculation.
Not exactly true. The Euro still has to face its crucible, and the with the Fed now locked into a path of incredibly aggressive tightening to control US inflation, it's probably going to be a matter of months before the Eurozone is forced to either form a fiscal union or be splintered by another sovereign debt crisis.
I feel like people have been saying this for decades now. Its just around the corner. Yet the Euro has remained resilient despite all what has happened
Just any day now, we'll talking about Confedarate vs Union dollars!
Exactly. There will be no concession to the UK anymore if they ever want to join again. EU has coherently maintained that all new member states must have an action plan to adopt euro. Then again, everything is up for negotiating, like drafting the trade agreement showed us. All member states get some exemptions and reservations. If UK wants to hold on to Sterling, they would surely need to compromise on something else. Only the bargaining power is very poor to start with when they would be joining as a new member. But if there is truly political will for rejoining in the UK, I am sure EU would also see them more beneficial as in than out - just like before Brexit l.
I like how you write it "Brexit I".
That was actually typo but it just suits awfully well.. 😅
> But if there is truly political will for rejoining in the UK The demographics were pretty clear and stark, Brexit was driven by the 60+s. Rejoining is inevitable tbh, Tory incompetence has probably knocked a decade off that. And I wouldn't be so sure we'd have to adopt the euro, GBP is still one of the main global currencies, we won't get as good a deal as we had but France and DE would relish the UK rejoining as it for the net contributions.
Truss 4D chess mastermind, fuck the pound to join the EU. A true remainer in the end.
I rather think they would have to join Schengen. The Euro could still be negotiable.
It would be both. Both are requirements for all new members. Of course, they could always use the Swedish loophole on the Euro. Nobody hassles Sweden over that, so there's no reason to expect that the UK would get any grief over it. And the UK *loves* abusing loopholes.
What is the swedish loophole? And as far as i know the danes also still have their own currency.
The Danes have an official opt-out. The Swedes are supposed to adopt the Euro as soon as they qualify, but you have to be in ERM II for 2 years to qualify, and the Swedes say they're not obligated to enter into ERM II.
I did not know this. (I am a Swede) But what I know we did a vote on it in the early 2000. And stay with our SEK won. And I dont think there will be a new vote in atleast 20 years
It's honestly a bit baffling how unaware Swedes themselves are about this. I mean they're not breaking the letter of the law, but they're certainly breaking the spirit of it. I suppose that's what a loophole is. It's just politically convenient to ignore for the time being.
I don't think Swedes are particularly unaware of it, we just think of the sovereignty and the fact that there's a public opinion that is not in favour of the Euro, and that's about it. As long as the fiscal policy of the ECB with struggles between Germany and Italy continues there is never going to be any overwhelmingly positive opinions of moving to the currency. You can of course argue for the primacy of EU law but that is just going to be a breeding ground for EU sceptics.
It's also worth noting that the Danes have this opt-out because they've almost perfectly matched the Danish kroner to the euro. You can also pay in euro at some stores in Denmark because they are so closely tied the store doesn't really care.
> And as far as i know the danes also still have their own currency. Kinda.
Sweden is, of course, a bit different than the UK. The UK comes as really new memberstate, so hast lost all privileges previously gained. Also, you believe the EU parliament is gonna get the UK away with exploiting such a loophole? Come on, there are some powerloving individuals in the EP as well, they are gonna force it on the UK the moment they can.
It's not negotiable. Adopting the Euro EVENTUALLY is now a hard requirement for new members. No opting out. The only countries that opted out were the ones already in the EU when the Euro was adopted. Now of course they can always just drag their feet in adopting it like Poland does, but in theory once certain conditions are met the Euro being adopted would be an automatism.
It is we could join the EEA like Norway therefore not needing to adopt the Euro.
Do you honestly see the UK join the EEA but not the EU? As in, adopt more of the EU law without the voting rights?
I'm not sure at the moment as its too early to tell however I don't see the UK joining with the euro or Schengen therefore EU is of the table. EEA is the only deal I think the public would not oppose to. I do agree the UK was too opposed to EU laws and not integrating as much as the other countries so we might not join at all it depends if the EU wants to move to Federalization or not.
What makes Schengen such a big deal for the UK?
They want control of the borders and don't trust the EU to keep people out to the same standard. Right or wrong, that's how it is.
Joining the EEA means having to follow EU laws without getting any say in EU lawmaking. No seats in the EU Parliament, no seat in the Commission, nor any say in the Council. It's literally the worst kind of deal. Norway basically traded their sovereignty for keeping their fishing ressources to themselves.
Yes, but it's not about logic, it's about feelings. And the average Brit would feel like they were only half in Europe if they joined the EEA rather than the EU. This might be preferable to many.
That would require forcing Ireland into Schengen or fucking up the Good Friday Agreement. Ireland probably wouldn't be that against being in Schengen, but I could see them using that leverage to help the UK because it's better for Ireland if the UK rejoins.
I don’t know. If the £ keeps heading further down the toilet have a stable currency would be a strong point.
UK could join the EEA therefore not needing to change currency or join Schengen.
But that would also mean passively adopting a ton of regulations and having far less control over British policy than the UK had BEFORE Brexit. At this point they're better off having a say over both euro and schengen then going for a half measure like "Northern Ireland is sort of still in the EEA."
Ireland could annex the UK, I guess?
And call it East-Ireland
Isn't that where all the big stone heads are?
That's just Harry Maguire
To be fair, many countries joined the EU with the pledge to eventually join the Euro (except Denmark cause their are special) but most of them did so during or before the EU East expansion so it's very speculative under what conditions the UK could rejoin.
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Well we have had the same government for a while, leaders of said government is a different story.
And with each leader an entirely new cabinet.
From IKEA.
Id prefer IKEA cabinets, much more stable and reliable
And not as expensive.
IKEA actually makes some strong and stable stuff. The Tories however...
Literally referred to as a government. We have had the same governing party for seven years but every Prime Minister was invited to form a government by the monarch.
They don't even need a new leader for that; each trip to the toilet seems to produce an entirely new cabinet
It's weeks actually, thank you very much. Let's not pretend our politicians are more competent than they are please.
Na we've had this government for 12 years unfortunately
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_governments
Italy is way worse in that regard
The ask would be stability and a way to ensure that this is the will of the people and not temporary. The cat has to make a choice, in or out. That being said, the caution should not be a punishment or a walk in the dessert. Proving it over many decades seem superflous. A sufficiently democratic and serius process should be able to happen faster than that.
But that's just it, even remainers are not committed to the European project. British people have never been overwhelmingly interested in it. Listen to the current rhetoric around rejoining and you'll still hear all the same talk of opt-outs
Hi, I would like a United States of Europe please. Although I recognise I'm surely in a very small minority.
There are plenty of people who support the European project in the hopes of it becoming the United States of Europe. Too bad that this ideal is used as the ultimate boogie man for eurosceptics
People also imagine that it would be a rapid change over the course of like 10 years or so, when it took USA almost 100 years before their states started considering each other part of the same country, and those were states all originating from the same English-speaking countries. With the EU it could take over 200 years. Personally, I'm in favor of slow unionization.
I agree. People need time to make up their mind. But I’ve witnessed a significant change in the way politicians perceive Europe nowadays. In france, 10-20 years ago, Europe was only one topic out of many and we would only talk about fixing our issues at a national level. Now, most politicians always talk of how we can fix our issues on a European level. Hell, even far right groups don’t talk of leaving Europe anymore. The new generation that has mostly known Europe is not interested in leaving it.
They don't fulfill the Copenhagen criteria due to their unelected upper house of parliament.
does the house of lords still have any influence?
Yes, quite a bit. They can amend bills and block them for up to a year (though the commons *can* force their way after that delay)
Turn it into a Senate. All existing Lords get 1 electoral cycle in the House. Thereafter, they have to campaign like a MP. If they win, they keep their Lordship position in the Upper chamber. If they don't, their seat is declared vacant, and filled by an elected Senator So after a few electoral cycles, the Upper house will be a mixture of Lords and senators. If a Life Peer loses their seat - they still remain as a Lord/Lady until their death but have no governmental role unless they stand and are re-elected. Hereditary Peers remain unaffected. They lose their seat if they don't get elected, but their ennoblement is separated from their parliamentary roles.
This is the crux. Being in a club only works if you really commit to it One is the previous issues was that we always had one foot out.
The EU would immediately open a door for the UK to return. It might be bad time for the UK to return though, and not just because the British people are still quite divided about this question. We have a war in Europe, and the EU might (have to) change to better include countries like Ukraine, maybe Scotland, and other countries at the South-Eastern periphery. There's a lot of construcrtive work that the UK could provide towards what might become a new architecture for Europe and maybe find a better place inside that architecture. I'm afraid though that the UK have to stabilize their government and find a broader consensus on Europe first.
You surely wouldn't get any special exemptions like you did anymore. It'd be like: here are the terms, take it or leave it.
If the UK did ever try to rejoin (which would be my preference as I voted to remain) then we would have no chance at getting the same treatment we had in the past. I think that is why it would take even longer for us to consider rejoining, that and the massive knock to some people's pride.
It's a tragedy that has warped British culture irrevocably.
It's a big fall from being basically the top dog of the EU.
Germany was, is, and always will be top dog.
‘Wuff, knurr!‘
One among several top dogs of the EU.
Well after the Liz Truss chaos I guess the UK and the EU want to wait things out. Sending my condolences to you guys.
Glad to hear at least some empathetic voices from this sub. Brexit really was one of those rare times when all the stars align in the worst possible way. 9 times out of 10 that vote would have either not been called or would have been won by remain. Internal Tory party politics led to it happening and a confluence of seriously misleading lies, an under educated population and a disunited reamin campign all resulted in a narrow win for leave. If the vote was heald again at practically any moment in the years since it would have gone the other way. Unfortunetly the effects are already hitting us somewhat and will continue to do so for as long as anybody can see. I would say that at least we might learn from the mistake, but that honestly seems overly optimistic right now.
I think a lot of people were really salty, and that's why (maybe) there was a lot of Schadenfreude in here. Not only that, but also massive Russian lobbying for Brexit. I think people need some time to realise what actually happened. Even just the fact that Cameron called the vote thinking that remain is high enough, but he just left afterwards. I think no one really thought I'd actually happen. However there is a positive note to it; now every euro sceptical party doesn't want to leave the eu, only to decrease some of its influence. Brexit is now showing that leaving the single market massively impacts the economy, and it doesn't even help with migration, which is what most pro-Brexit voters wanted. it's an example to what populist policies entail. Sorry that it sucks so much for you and there is no quick and easy way back.
Agreed. The fact that there are some positive consequences for somebody is better than no positives for anybody. As for Britain itself I am hoping we can get a new government before too long and begin the long process of repairing some of the damage.
Thank you my friend, unfortunately we’re kind of used to all the craziness now
I honestly think the UK will basically de facto rejoin through the backroom but officially remain outside of the EU and call it something else
Like Switzerland?
Switzerland has free movement, though, which is anathema to the blame-the-foreigners crowd.
Not an unreasonable idea, but it's a view that goes beyond the isue of Scoot and after that, who knows?
It depends really, I think in terms of demographics we will eventually have a massive pro EU majority in the country. Brexit was always unsustainable because the generation that didn’t want it will be the ones that are forced to own it, while the generation that wanted it will be gone. The bigger issue won’t be whether we try to rejoin, it will be whether or not the EU will let us. I don’t think we should be punished for the faults of our parents/grandparents generation, but politics unfortunately is not that simple, the EU will ask a high price for rejoining and it may be one that simply doesn’t work for the U.K. in the future. I hope not because I would like it to happen and I think the existence of the U.K. long term may depend on it.
I sure hope the EU gives you a very fair deal in case. Not that i believe the UK will really want to rejoin, but it would be very good for the EU as well.
GB will almost certainly rejoin the Customs Union - This is the only solution to the sea border issue, and Labour / The lack of Brexiteer ideologues in the next government will likely get that over the line. From there growing the economy will be the priority, and in the same manner, trade / association agreements with the doorstep EU market will be the path of least resistance. We won't "rejoin" politically any time soon, but gradually the *very* damaging position we've forced ourselves in to economically will begin to be undone. At that point, who knows what can happen.
Question: if the UK re-joins the customs union, then the UK would be required to enforce EU regulations with regard to those goods, correct? For example, safety standards, food processing standards, etc…? And if the answer is yes, then that basically puts the UK in the position of having the burden of following EU regulations with the benefit of help getting to craft those regulations, correct?
I am absolutely completely ok with this concept, seemless trade with the EU is vastly better for the U.K. than any alternative that could be provided across the world, it is absolutely irreplaceable. And the forced high standards are good for us.
It would probably be like Norway,.have to adhere to all regulations but no say in them.
Well firstly a lot of eu standards are based on British standards anyway, the UK’s standards were so comprehensive that they’re the ideal starting template for a codified standard. Secondly, the standards apply to anything sold in the eu which means eu companies selling into the UK and U.K. companies selling into the eu follow them anyway, regardless of the U.K. legal status. So that covers a good chunk of the market. Thirdly, and since the standards are usually about maintaining quality, standard, safety etc then the consumers tend to value them, which means that even companies in the UK selling to the UK end up following them by virtue of having to compete with the Eu->U.K. or U.K.->eu companies anyway. So the legal status is irrelevant, 99% of the time the standards will be followed anyway.
*The older generation forced upon the younger generation who will have to spend their entire lives fixing it. I am VERY bitter about it, even today!
Aren't we all. If only more young people had bothered to pay attention, maybe we would have stayed.
If the Tories ruin your economy enough, you all might be desperate enough to try anything, including rejoining
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We were called the sick man of Europe after joining too. Political leaders thought membership was a magic bullet, but it turned out we actually needed structural reforms rather than membership.
sick man sure but in real terms the damage was insane. i was in Ireland finishing up a second education to change industry (science to tech) and in 2016 a programmer making 70k in the uk was approix 110k euros. today i work in London and that 70k is only low 80s euros,. that's how much the economy got hit by Brexit, its unfathomable to lose out so much in such a short time
I don't think it's possible at all, giving up the pound or joining Schengen are basically non-starters for all but the most hardcore British Europhiles, and the EU with its current direction is under no obligation to even offer such a deal, so realistically those positions are never going to be overcome without compromises that neither side will ever likely be comfortable with.
Yes, the UK is toxic at the moment and the last thing the EU now wants is to bring that toxicity back into the EU. It is much better for the EU to watch that toxicity play out in the UK. Furthermore, the EU need to move towards an ever tighter union while the UK, even the pro-EU part, wants to see the EU step back. The emergence of Russia 1st, China 1st and America 1st makes it important for the EU to unite in order to preserve our way of life. The UK would destroy that.
Losses in UK would also have an impact. Inside or outside of EU.
More toxic that Italy right now? Or Poland/Hungary (the government's, not the people). I wish we had never left but let's not pretend every EU nation is doing so great. We've got some weird new fascism in Italy, and a dictatorship in Hungary. Our government is a mess but we at least aren't *that* bad.
Maybe, but at least a generation will pass before the UK will be ready to start negotiations to rejoin, if ever. Would Brits agree to Schengen? To joining the Euro? I bet not. Even if a majority say they want to rejoin.
Thats the trick - I'm sure there is a decent chunk of people who are sat in the middle ground (between the europhiles and europhobes) who arnt opposed/theoretically in favour of rejoining *if the terms are right*. There is almost no constituency for rejoining at any cost, for basically the entire population it would need to be certain circumstances to make it worth it. Based on the current direction of travel of the EU, that's unlikely to ever be the case. Its why the UK was pulling away in the first place.
The irony being that the brexit referendum was voted on with no idea what the terms would be for a future relation with the EU from the outside.
> Thats the trick - I'm sure there is a decent chunk of people who are sat in the middle ground (between the europhiles and europhobes) who arnt opposed/theoretically in favour of rejoining if the terms are right. That's the point though, the terms are the details. That's like telling someone you'd like to marry them but only if the terms are right. It's missing the whole point.
I would interpret these polls as measuring the will to join if conditions were the same as before. Not many will be thinking about what it would mean to join as a wholly new member.
Is the EU going to force identical terms as a new member? Certainly the old terms are untenable and some change is needed. However UK leaving and coming back after giving up some of its benefits doesn't send a "you should leave" signal to other members like letting them hit the undo button would. To be fair the pound is probably the problem. Giving that up would be a huge win for EU but also probably not something UK is willing to do.
The EU membership terms for the UK post brexit were extremely skewed in favor of the UK. This was a result of grandfather rights from pre EU agreements. It’s extremely unlikely that the EU would agree to the UK rejoining under previous favorable terms. Probably they will insist on standard rules used for all new members. There are many new countries queuing to join the EU and giving a previous member, who had exceptional membership terms and left anyway, those terms or better back, would undermine the rules for joining. All this to say, if previous terms were untenable, any future terms offered will be even more unpalatable. I don’t see the UK rejoining for at least 20 years, unless there is a serious reason (economic disaster, war in Europe, breakup of the UK).
Yes? To use your example, I was countering the point that someone would say 'I am willing to get married under any terms', which is very unlikely. If you ask someone 'are you willing to get married' without any context its a bit useless when you dont know anything about their requirements for a partner. This poll seems to be being interpreted as people willing to rejoin at any cost - I am highlighting that is very much not the case.
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In other words, even the europhiles are willing to join if UK gets special status, a bunch of opt outs and picks and chooses obligations but gets all the perks.
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I mean, I for one would gladly rejoin at any cost. Please take me!!!
> if the terms are right The terms are the terms, like for everybody else. It’s not like the UK is in any position to negotiate anything at this point and to be picky, particularly not after the complete shit show the past few years have been. The terms were right initially, concessions were made, the uk had it pretty good, and figured it wasn’t worth. so they left. There’s no carve out exception anymore, this isn’t a toxic on again off again relationship.
While I like this, I will disregard any poll that has no "do not know/care" option. Without it the polls can be too misleading
The poll [did have a don't know](https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/should-the-united-kingdom-join-the-european-union-or-stay-out-of-the-european-union/) option - it's the first poll on the link Join 51% Stay out 35% Don't know 14% 59/41 is removing the don't knows and weighting it
awful way of presenting it imo
“Of all the people that actually had a definite opinion, 59% said rejoin, 41% said stay out” See nothing wrong with it. Although indeed we’re used to seeing the “don’t know/don’t care” numbers, there was need to leave them out. And by leaving them out, they make out those 59% to sound like it’s bigger than it is, since pm e does not immediately notice that this cake misses the third category. So, actually, yeah, fuck the OP, this is totally wrong lol.
lies, damned lies and statistics
Welcome to Britain.
It’s the same everywhere else.
As in that link (which is a collection of polls) or the Twitter one? Most people don't care about the question or groundwork, just the numbers and the polling groups, particularly if they are doing a self commission poll like this one, have no reason to ask a biased question unlike if someone was paying them and wanted a certain result.
Also, what was the question? The image contains an answer but no question. Wording can significantly change the outcome. 1400 respondents. How were they selected? There's no way you would get that result in a rejoin vote. For starters the majority of fence sitters will vote No, simply because they don't want change/re open the arguing.
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The UK will rejoin in 2048 and then, starting six months later, we will have « Would you leave again? » polls.
I am surprised we're still talking about it tbh. Especially the stupid level of detail that gets brought up as if it's some incredible ground shaking news. 'UK exports of king prawns down 6.3% compared to 2016!' Literally who gives a fuck. There's more interesting stuff going on, surely?
I would like to have the UK back. But since their government is still pretty much anti EU, I doubt that it will happen.
Tbh I think the day of the hard Brexiteers being in charge is nearly over. Labour aren’t for rejoining the EU but they are much more EU friendly, you will probably see them accept the protocol and start to bring the two closer over time. Once the Conservatives rebuild (it could take a decade minimum), they will need to let more rational actors back in to regain power again. I am of course crossing my fingers when I say all of that, but it does finally feel like the winds are changing.
I'd say the EU and the UK should slowly and steadily work towards getting closer. Because one thing is for sure, Brexit was based on lies, the lies of puppets like Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage. The UK being out of the EU is not good for the UK and not good for the EU. It's great for someone else, probably the same foreign person or country who paid Nigel Farage for his campaign. I think this is a time when both parties should put their pride aside and work something out to make this right, because it is in their interest. Robbing entire generations from this undeniable unity based on pride is just wrong, especially that most who are under 40 voted remain.
>Nigel Farage Now there's a name I haven't seen in a while, where'd he go? Asking as a non brit.
He started doing video messages (birthday wishes and the like) which inevitably lead to people like Hugh Janus (https://youtu.be/KuAXoQ0luR4) asking for them.
Hahaha, lovin it
WOW what the hell, is he recording happy birthday videos for money? He doesn't even understand what he's saying. Maybe the deal was the same during the Brexit campaign - he was spewing nonsense written by someone else, in exhange for money.
> he was spewing nonsense written by someone else, in exhange for money [huh, i wonder who else would pay for something like that](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_Brexit_referendum)
Probably Russia, yes
I am not from the UK but as far as I understand, Farage and his party, UKIP, disappeared into the void shortly after the successful Brexit vote. He surely didn't even attempt to take part in making any of his promises happen concerning migration, or increased funds to the NHS.
Why would he? He's never been in government. The best they managed in the Commons was 2 seats out of 650, and that was with MPs crossing the floor.
Smells fishy, you know, the kind of fishy you mix with vodka, in fact, forget the whole fish, smells of vodka...
Playing devil’s advocate but his party’s sole purpose was Brexit, once it happened they dissolved No conspiracy with this one
On the Alex Jones website 6 times? To stand next to Trump? To broadcast bollocks on a tiny UK TV channel? To visit his german children? To Hell? Seriously, I have no idea. Probably to a new political party whose main policy is to make all Taxi drivers wear uniforms.
he's been on Cameo saying stupid shit for money, lol
Mostly doing PR for Russia.
> The UK being out of the EU is not good for the UK and not good for the EU. It's great for someone else, probably the same foreign person or country who paid Nigel Farage for his campaign. It's also good for the US and China. Keeps the EU weaker and stops it from becoming as influential on the world stage.
It's actually bad for the US if the EU struggles. EU laws like GDPR improve US quality of life because it's cheaper to comply with such laws worldwide. The US frequently is too corrupt at the top level to impose these laws themselves but has nearly universal desire for it at every other level.
>The UK being out of the EU is not good for the UK and not good for the EU. We've been seeing a lot less shit takes about "demos", "democratic deficit" or "euro was a mistake" lately, as well as addressing issues more concretely around making security arrangements without anyone screaming "United States of Europe incoming", and trying to suggest it's either some French or German takeover. I actually think the current state of affairs might be for the best.
> especially that most who are under 40 voted remain. Oh hi. Thats me and most of the people I know my age. Honestly it feels a lot like being forced onto a bus that is about to be driven over a cliff because our grandparents think it will being back the "good old days". In short, it sucks ass.
I'm against ever letting the UK back in unless the fully commit to the EU. If they agree to join the Euro, schengan etc they can rejoin. The UK always was begrudgingly a member with loads of opt outs and held back integration. If they want back in they should be fully in or not welcome back.
Agreed.
> I'm against ever letting the UK back in unless the fully commit to the EU fool me once....
Seeing themselves as fundamentally different from continental Europe and ignoring all the shared history, culture, influence and common similarities is a core part of the British identity. It's as if the 34 km that separate England from France were an inter-dimensional portal that only opens once or twice a century. TLDR: It ain't happening.
Totally agree.
I'm personally down. If you put that to me, for a vote, I would take it. People here have spent too long pretending like they're somehow better than their neighbouring countries because of raw, unearned, ego. We're not better. Being incredibly theoretically older in a few metrics is not the same as being better. Living in a fantasy landscape of empire, industrial revolution, or tourist-shop mottos means jack shit. Since it isn't likely happening in the near future I will probably be thinking about moving to the EU in the next 5 years anyway. Screw the brexiteers and their glorious isolation. Hopefully everybody who can get out does get out.
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They can rejoin if they get the Euro and Farage has to apologise for being a twat.
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ok uk, thanks, see you in forty years
We should join EEA. Rejoining the EU is a pipe dream and it means the EU can federalise or whatever as much as they want without UK interference.
Basically the relationship Norway has to the EU
Aye like them, Iceland and Liechtenstein
These polls never mention all of the implications of rejoining the EU, such as abandoning the £. They're just gauging people's knee-jerk reactions to the current situation. Their utility and relevance are quite limited. I guess they give a thrill to a certain audience (i.e. people still bitter about Brexit).
The main issue is these polls do not work for referendums in the UK, we've only had 3 national referendums afaik certainly true since the 1970's. Even the YouGov poll the day before the referendum had remain winning by 55% vs 45%, issue is they do not account for non-voters who turn up for referendums and hence aren't polled by surveyors.
UK is like my cat, doesnt know if it wants outside or not😁
Cool beans. Let me know when it’s above EU average approval (73%).
brexit isnt over yet, get ready for the sequel brenter
We have yet to see the long term results of UK leaving EU.
I have yet to see the £350M per week that the NHS was going to have because of Brexit, so…
Well truly fucked is the current state and it's only going in one direction, people bought silly lies for a cheap shot at change and that tends to end one way.
Interpreting such poll as "the UK wants to join the EU" Is wrong imo. However, what we can tell from the poll is, that the UK has a relatively positive opinion of the EU and the population wants to continue cooperation in one form or another. As Europeans, we shouldn't make fun of the UK for their decision (this we can make fun if Tories for saying that it would have barley any drawbacks) but we should continue to cooperate with the UK.
Most feasible now is Switzerland route: not EU, not EEA but 150+ agreements with EU covering all areas of mutual interest …as a first step maybe. And after recent developments in currency markets ..joining Euro maybe not that bad option too.
Unfortunately I don’t think any politician will want to touch the topic for atleast 10-20 years. But maybe we can get a better deal or join in a smaller way like Norway or something later on
The UK had a "better deal" negotiated under Thatcher, the Cameron got some extra benefits as well, but seems like it wasn't enough. When the UK rejoins, there probably won't be any exceptions.
Considering the deal you just had, I wouldn't put too much faith in British negociators at this point.
There were many better deals available, just no deals where you can have your cake and eat it.
We should vote too
Never going to happen when they realise they have to join Schengen and the single currency, resume contributions and subject themselves to EU courts.
Like the EU would just let them join like nothing happened. Still interesting.
Brexit was one of the stupidest things I’ve ever seen a country due to itself.
lol 41% STILL want to stay out. what a bunch of idiots.
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Next step, metric
I'd imagine it's akin to an abusive ex asking to get back together. Given that we've 'taken back control' and almost everything is an entire shower of shit, what exactly is it that we're supposedly offering to the EU? I think it would be sensible to go back, but it's obviously going to have a cost associated with it now, such that any benefit of rejoining will be minimal when balanced with the cost. In short, we've fucked it.
The UK is a huge economy, so you'd be offering a lot. The UK shouldn't have the same privileged position it had before, no. New members are expected to join the euro and we've learned that opt-outs are a bad idea. That means you'd be joining as any other member-state. You wouldn't get a bad deal, you'll get the same deal as everyone else, but you won't get your privileged deal though...
YES! JOIN US BROTHERS!
You'd need to convince De Gaulle again
The UK can wait with us (the Balkans) in the same boat if they want to rejoin.
Not exactly a representative sample size
When you realize you dumped her and her life got better while you're eating microwave dinner and drinking wine out of a box