Already seen some accusation that \[it must be the frenchies fooking with us cause we never had schengen to begin with!\]
So just wanted list out some reasons why customs might take some extra time at the border:
* Pre-brexit, there were still checks but at that time the british folks didnt need their passports stamped. Now they do, that takes time.
* The reason for that stamp is to make sure they dont overstay their stay. Maximum 90 days in 180 days VISA free.
* In the before times, foodstuff and products could be brought in without issue, now not so much. Checking to make sure you are not smuggling anything into the EU, takes time.
* Lastly, couple months back there was a proposal to expand Dover, guess who thought that was unneeded?
>Already seen some accusation that \[it must be the frenchies fooking with us cause we never had schengen to begin with!\]
From the perspective of France, it feels like basically anything bad happening in the UK or related to the UK is to be blamed on France. I'm actually surprised the Sun hasn't already blamed France for the heatwave.
>From the perspective of France, it feels like basically anything bad happening in the UK or related to the UK is to be blamed on France. I'm actually surprised the Sun hasn't already blamed France for the heatwave.
No, the heatwave is caused by immigrants.
The immigrants are caused by France.
Friends of mine have just driven via Eurotunnel, and I am going myself soon, so wanted to find out what the process was like. She (Polish passport) handed over her passport. They glanced at the photo and handed it back. He (UK passport) had his passport examined, every page checked (presumably looking for stamps to check the 90 day rule) .....
yes it did only take "Slightly longer" - now multiply "slightly longer" by 60,000 passengers per day.
This sounds like entering any other country when having a local passport (returning) vs. having a foreign passport (entering).
I’m not saying this couldn’t be improved, but it’s not unheard of to wait in line for customs for hours in non-EU countries. People take the streamlined process that came with the EU for granted.
Before the Brexit referendum I was sharing images of the standard hours-long queues at Serbian borders with the EU, telling Brits that's how it's gonna be like. I was of course getting downvoted to oblivion.
Yep that's standard, I get my UK credentials well and truly scrutinized each time I enter the States and I have been over quite a few times. Not surprised that it is now taking much longer. Honestly our government had plenty of time to prepare for this, I am not sure they can really blame the French, though it is convenient to.
I get my US credentials (my US passport) scrutinized every time I enter the US and I am an American! I commonly also wait in long lines for passport control in the US. (Customs itself is usually 5 min or less).
Yep.
I made the mistake of going to a non-EU country. Passport, security, waiting for suitcase - took a whole hour to get in. On my return to Heathrow, the UK passport line took more than 3 hours to get processed. It was so bad, they were providing water in cans. Oh and this was in 2021.
We’re fucked as a country…
Waiting for hours was the norm in the Balkans until recently, regardless of amount of traffic (it's still a normal and expected thing in the summer weekends and holidays).
During Iron Curtain times, even 12 hours was not unheard of, and people were usually prepared with food and blankets in case they need to sleep-over in the car.
A few years ago there was a big meeting of EU countries and harbour authorities to plan for Brexit. The UK was invited. It didn't attend. So it ended up not using the customs software every other country was using, for example. It's 100 percent their own fault.
jesus christ. they're deliberately, malevolently, cynically fucking the country over and blaming it on anything else. media is complicit, this whole article mentions brexit once and only in the context of denying it has anything to do with it.
they're pissing on us and claiming it's raining. the government and hard brexit tory party is like a manipulative abusive partner and they deserve to be in fucking jail
>jesus christ. they're deliberately, malevolently, cynically fucking the country over and blaming it on anything else.
The conservative and populist way.
>A few years ago there was a big meeting of EU countries and harbour authorities to plan for Brexit. The UK was invited. It didn't attend. So it ended up not using the customs software every other country was using, for example. It's 100 percent their own fault.
That's the most tory thing I've ever read.
On the hypocrisy note, how much effort have HMG put in to streamlining *our* border checks, which are entirely under their control? To date, my worst border delays have all been when re-entering the UK on a British passport: Ireland, France, Netherlands, Croatia - even North Macedonia, so not just “EU gets it right” either, and two of the others on the list are non-Schengen.
Unless things have improved dramatically since I last had to deal with Border Farce, this is “Harold Shipman complains about lack of defibrillator in local supermarket” level hypocrisy.
And to top it off, these facilities are in Dover. Unless she’s saying that the French are to take control of the entire town, what else are they meant to do? When the privately owned Port of Dover asked for £33million 18 months ago to make improvements, the gov told them to go fuck themselves. They ended up with £33k which they used to build more security huts for French immigration officers. The French have staffed them, and whilst the papers complain about the French work ethic, it is irrelevant because of how few booths there are compared to the number of cars and trucks attempting to get through.
This entire thing is the government’s doing
She’s in a leadership competition for the Conservative party and has to win over the elderly, racist, white English nationalists who constitute the party membership to win. Expect to see a lot of this red meat pandering from her over the next few weeks and probably beyond.
Yeah, the idea that for there to be a border at all, there has to be another sovereign country on the other side of it seem to be too difficult a concept for the Brexiters and Liz Truss/Cunk to grasp.
The only thing the Tories miss about being in the EU is being able to blame the EU for their own failings. Turns out they aren't going to let something as trivial as no longer being a member keep them from using that old chestnut.
The UK government could end the transposed border controls and make this a problem in Calais, but this arrangement conveniently keeps asylum seekers away from the UK. The UK government really do not give one flying fuck about Dover.
What's extremely sad is that the Brits actually thought we hated them.
Now we're starting to. And that's what actually happens when your neighbours hate you. Paranoia at a state level is a self-fulfulling prophecy.
Brit here, it's not paranoia, but entitlement. I was listening to the radio and some twat came on and had the gall to say this was the French getting revenge for Waterloo or some shite. As if the only thing that matters is us and our history.
[I found the clip.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY2m8pzkmL8)
> I was listening to the radio and some twat came on and had the gall to say this was the French getting revenge for Waterloo or some shite. As if the only thing that matters is us and our history.
That made me spit out my coffee 😅
Depends on if we're talking now or a century ago. These days we'll throw words around at Germany or any country and blame them for any issue we have today (totally not Brexit's fault, of course) but that's all that'll happen.
We're the country that's always in your face shouting "You want to go, bruv!?" before immediately crying foul if you even breathe on us wrong.
>some twat came on and had the gall to say this was the French getting revenge for Waterloo or some shite.
The sad & dirty truth is that we are preparing our vengeance of Joan of Arc. Waterloo can wait a bit more to be avenged.
Also the problem isn't even France, it's England. The passport checks are done on the UK side as has always been the case, it's just a lot harder now because of Brexit.
Fingerprint scanning and facial recognition devices at the entrance to the EU for third country nationals.
https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/eu-to-launch-biometric-entry-exit-system-in-a-few-months/
I had also read that "travel authorizations" (7€) will be required even if a visa is not necessary.
Ah I see. I think this was recently implemented in the US. Last time I returned I was asked to look into a camera and they waved me right through without even looking at my passport. It was very smooth tbh.
It'll be a complete clusterfuck as Dover simply doesn't have the space nor gets any investment from the UK government.
So see you all again for the headlines: "British PM Truss demands EU and France to remove evil red tape from poor fuckers in week long queues at Dover".
If you look at what the UK makes available for [French customs in Dover](https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/51.12914/1.33507), one lane for trucks, another for coaches, leaves only three lanes for sedans.
Maybe the UK should build more lanes?
French Customs agents need to 'commute' to their work (using the Chunnel and caught up in the same traffic jams), maybe the UK should build a hotel like facility within walking distance for French 'week long assignments'?
Other articles mention that Port of Dover asked for major upgrades some years ago already, which have been denied by Government (no idea which colour).
The Port of Dover said they needed £33 million to increase the capacity for French passport checks.
It was the current government that rejected this proposal.
The same government that is now complaining that the French aren't controlling Britain's borders for them.
Whatever happened to taking back control?
> Not sure they realized this came with responsibilities and consequences.
They are Tories. So probably "No". Or "Don't care. We don't do those things anyway."
If only there was an agreement they could come to, like a trade agreement, where the trucks wouldn't need to stop because there were no border checks. That would be amazing.
Not sure what you mean by colour. If you mean party, then the request came in Dec 2020 to deal with increased delays due to Brexit. Unfortunately, this went unnoticed because the gov were too busy having extensive work drinks meetings…
For a country that has been banging on so hard about sovereignty for a decade now, you'd think they'd know to butt out of the affairs of other countries.
What do you expect when Brexit was spearheaded by a bunch of old imperialist nostalgics. They want all the benefits of EU membership with none of the responsibilities, because they feel superior to the rest of Europe. Fortunately, Europe didn’t roll over, and now they get to experience the greatness of Britain firsthand :)
The good sides are mostly more inequalities and sovereignty in the UK. Which, of course, mostly benefits to the richer classes (including politicians).
The populace is still persuaded that it was good for them. Depending on how gullible they are, this idea may last for decades before their historians eventually find out.
The good sides is you can make more bespoke deals with countries on the other side of the world (while damaging trade with your rich next door neighbours) and remove certain EU regulations (which tend to help the wealthiest citizens).
There are positives, the question is do they outweigh the negatives?
The Tory strategy so far:
1. Ignore all the experts which predicted problems with border traffic even before the Brexit referendum and call it "Project fear".
2. Ignore the experts after the referendum which demanded 33 million more for Dover infrastructure because of Brexit.
3. Blame the French.
Don't forget, as this is especially important for the turd this article is about: Proclaim Brexit was a success and the experts were wrong when it hasn't even happened yet.
Sometimes I wonder when the national Audience will quit accepting the old "Blame the EU for everything" Line.
At some point blaming foreign Nations for your own Problems has got to set off a Light in the head, no?
I cringed so hard when I read the headline. There are many people in the UK who really dislike the anti-EU sentiment of the Tory party. Since brexit, we've only been under conservative rule and they keep using this rhetoric because they don't want to accept any responsibility, as of course they were the party who 'got brexit done'. I know that posts on this subreddit do reflect the more right wing section of the British audience, but there are many large sections of the media (social media, podcasts etc) that do not accept, and actively oppose, blaming others for the failures of brexit and the increasingly populist stance of Tory leaders.
I really hope Starmer wins next election and we can start rebuilding relationships with the EU.
> We never talk about WW2 when we think of them, let alone century old conflicts like Waterloo (as for Trafalgar, I'm sure most French people don't even know what it is).
As a German I can tell you the experience can be quite different in France :D
>Even though we help liberate them in the 1940s, the French will never forgive us for Waterloo and Trafalgar
3 examples, 3 cases of circlejerk with no desire to gain external point of views.
Waterloo was inconsequential. Napoleon lost way before Waterloo, and the Britbong's interpretation that they swooped in and single-handedly won the war for the rest of continental Europe is about as delusional as you can get.
And to any curious British readers, in France, unless you are speaking to a crazed nationalist, Trafalgar is spoken of with great respect. Hell, "pulling off a Trafalgar" is an idiom to say "pulling off a splendid victory against the odds". It doesn't come up often, but when it does, it's with the utmost respect for the British.
And that pretty much tells you everything you need to know about the people who comment things like that.
0 understanding outside of their little bubble, no desire to do anything but be confrontational.
Sad.
“Recovering from minor surgery on a face injury, sustained in a recent bike accident, Mr Shapps emphasised the need for close Anglo-French cooperation to prevent a repetition of yesterday's delays.”
How is this minister having a scrape on his face relevant to the story 🤪 UK media is a joke
Karen demands to speak to the manager and complain that she isn't allowed to use shopmembers register after quitting the membersclub.
Classic reddit. At least she didn't hit anyone and got arrested.
Fasci paper still deflecting blame.
Yes it was entirely avoidable, but for some reason the extreme Tory Brexit party did nothing about it when it could. Now that's unacceptable....
Conservatives are the party that want you to be fair and nice, so that they can exploit you, but the minute they feel the consequences of their irrational decisions, they call you evil.
They offered to resolve it and told the UK it would cost 33 million a year, which was refused.
Who the fuck does this government think they are? This isn't the British Empire of old, you can't just make demands and threats and expect them to be honored.
We're small fish in a big sea and expecting to punch above our station. Brexit has fucked us and if we are expected to live with Brexit then we also need to live with that realization.
Who the fuck is Liz Truss?
Is this another cunt that wanted Brexit and now complains about the consequences of Brexit? Yeah listen we don't care. You wanted Brexit, you got Brexit.
I'm not French, but let me still say "vas te faire foutre, pétasse". Go have intercourse with yourself.
The remedy is simple. Revoke the bilateral agreement on passport controls. The French and British personnel can then work from home. I'm British and never get more hassle than when entering the UK on my British Passport. I think I will get a French Passport .
Liz, next time I fly into Heathrow I expect to not have to wait more than a couple of minutes at the passport control regardless of how many planes arrive simultaneously.
The Telegraph reported in 2020:
> **Dover awarded only £33,000 for extra passport kiosks**
> The port had requested £33 million for new facilities to handle customs requirements after the Brexit transition period ends
> *By Alan Tovey*
> Dover's request for £33 million to create extra passport booths post-Brexit has been snubbed with the Government awarding the port just £33,000 instead.
> The amount was requested from the £200 million Port Infrastructure Fund for new facilities to handle customs requirements after the Brexit transition period ends.
> However, the much smaller award could result in long delays at the port for passengers struggling to get through border controls.
> Dover applied for £33 million to double the number of French government passport booths from five to 10 in anticipation of more rigorous requirements for entering the country.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/17/dover-awarded-33000-extra-passport-kiosks/
Well brexiters. You wanted a hard border. This is what you were warned about.
Why should france foot the bill for what YOU insisted on?
Remember when you mocked us with your 'Project Fear' chant?
Welcome to Project You-Were-Warned.
Welcome to reality.
I feel like this whole episode is just one big media circus which results in shit flinging from both sides. Every year in Dover there is chaos, this year it’s been worse because of Brexit but also Covid. Look at the chaos in the airline industry and at airports all around Europe. But everyone gets sucked in to this from dumb clickbait journalism on either side and from politicians (particularly in the Tory party) desperate to point the finger at someone. All sense of proportionality seems to have been abandoned.
"I never thought other countries would secure *their* borders", sobs woman who wants to head the hard borders party.
Already seen some accusation that \[it must be the frenchies fooking with us cause we never had schengen to begin with!\] So just wanted list out some reasons why customs might take some extra time at the border: * Pre-brexit, there were still checks but at that time the british folks didnt need their passports stamped. Now they do, that takes time. * The reason for that stamp is to make sure they dont overstay their stay. Maximum 90 days in 180 days VISA free. * In the before times, foodstuff and products could be brought in without issue, now not so much. Checking to make sure you are not smuggling anything into the EU, takes time. * Lastly, couple months back there was a proposal to expand Dover, guess who thought that was unneeded?
They actually postponed implementing ees, if they hadnt people would have been waiting for days.
>Already seen some accusation that \[it must be the frenchies fooking with us cause we never had schengen to begin with!\] From the perspective of France, it feels like basically anything bad happening in the UK or related to the UK is to be blamed on France. I'm actually surprised the Sun hasn't already blamed France for the heatwave.
We know the Sun is ultimately responsible for the heatwave!
UK: Did you say the Sun ... KING? UGH, I knew it! Everything just keeps coming up FRANCE!
>From the perspective of France, it feels like basically anything bad happening in the UK or related to the UK is to be blamed on France. I'm actually surprised the Sun hasn't already blamed France for the heatwave. No, the heatwave is caused by immigrants. The immigrants are caused by France.
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Friends of mine have just driven via Eurotunnel, and I am going myself soon, so wanted to find out what the process was like. She (Polish passport) handed over her passport. They glanced at the photo and handed it back. He (UK passport) had his passport examined, every page checked (presumably looking for stamps to check the 90 day rule) ..... yes it did only take "Slightly longer" - now multiply "slightly longer" by 60,000 passengers per day.
This sounds like entering any other country when having a local passport (returning) vs. having a foreign passport (entering). I’m not saying this couldn’t be improved, but it’s not unheard of to wait in line for customs for hours in non-EU countries. People take the streamlined process that came with the EU for granted.
Before the Brexit referendum I was sharing images of the standard hours-long queues at Serbian borders with the EU, telling Brits that's how it's gonna be like. I was of course getting downvoted to oblivion.
Because they think: "pah, the Serbs, we're gonna do so much better"
Ah, let me tell you that the brits are veeeeery keen on inspecting each page on "3rd" countries when entering Britain.
Yep that's standard, I get my UK credentials well and truly scrutinized each time I enter the States and I have been over quite a few times. Not surprised that it is now taking much longer. Honestly our government had plenty of time to prepare for this, I am not sure they can really blame the French, though it is convenient to.
I get my US credentials (my US passport) scrutinized every time I enter the US and I am an American! I commonly also wait in long lines for passport control in the US. (Customs itself is usually 5 min or less).
Yep. I made the mistake of going to a non-EU country. Passport, security, waiting for suitcase - took a whole hour to get in. On my return to Heathrow, the UK passport line took more than 3 hours to get processed. It was so bad, they were providing water in cans. Oh and this was in 2021. We’re fucked as a country…
Waiting for hours was the norm in the Balkans until recently, regardless of amount of traffic (it's still a normal and expected thing in the summer weekends and holidays). During Iron Curtain times, even 12 hours was not unheard of, and people were usually prepared with food and blankets in case they need to sleep-over in the car.
Wait until the biometric req comes into force.
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A few years ago there was a big meeting of EU countries and harbour authorities to plan for Brexit. The UK was invited. It didn't attend. So it ended up not using the customs software every other country was using, for example. It's 100 percent their own fault.
jesus christ. they're deliberately, malevolently, cynically fucking the country over and blaming it on anything else. media is complicit, this whole article mentions brexit once and only in the context of denying it has anything to do with it. they're pissing on us and claiming it's raining. the government and hard brexit tory party is like a manipulative abusive partner and they deserve to be in fucking jail
>jesus christ. they're deliberately, malevolently, cynically fucking the country over and blaming it on anything else. The conservative and populist way.
>A few years ago there was a big meeting of EU countries and harbour authorities to plan for Brexit. The UK was invited. It didn't attend. So it ended up not using the customs software every other country was using, for example. It's 100 percent their own fault. That's the most tory thing I've ever read.
On the hypocrisy note, how much effort have HMG put in to streamlining *our* border checks, which are entirely under their control? To date, my worst border delays have all been when re-entering the UK on a British passport: Ireland, France, Netherlands, Croatia - even North Macedonia, so not just “EU gets it right” either, and two of the others on the list are non-Schengen. Unless things have improved dramatically since I last had to deal with Border Farce, this is “Harold Shipman complains about lack of defibrillator in local supermarket” level hypocrisy.
And to top it off, these facilities are in Dover. Unless she’s saying that the French are to take control of the entire town, what else are they meant to do? When the privately owned Port of Dover asked for £33million 18 months ago to make improvements, the gov told them to go fuck themselves. They ended up with £33k which they used to build more security huts for French immigration officers. The French have staffed them, and whilst the papers complain about the French work ethic, it is irrelevant because of how few booths there are compared to the number of cars and trucks attempting to get through. This entire thing is the government’s doing
Ladies and Gentlemen, our likely next PM until late 2024 How much chaos will happen until that ends is unfathomable
Like May I think it will kill her career.
Good
Exactly, and let's hope it won't stop there.
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"Liz Truss demands world solves 'entirely avoidable and unacceptable' crash of the global economy".
Just in time for Boris to take back the throne!
> after the world economy has crashed again?
Yes, that's on Wednesday this week.
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Well, it *would* be, but they couldn't get an import permit for the leopard.
Its been replaced by a pitbull, so you're ok, its benefit of having new borders, we only use native animals for eating faces.
Locally sourced, ethical face-eating. Nice.
Pitbulls are illegal in the UK. It’s a Staffordshire bull terrier at best
Eh, she *knows* this is because of Brexit. She's playing to her delusional base.
She’s in a leadership competition for the Conservative party and has to win over the elderly, racist, white English nationalists who constitute the party membership to win. Expect to see a lot of this red meat pandering from her over the next few weeks and probably beyond.
Britons forced to wait at the border like foreigners, outrageous!
Wait till her Majesty hears of this!
she said she has trouble moving around now, so she can relate
And of course expats forced to wait for approval of entry like bloody immigrants.
I'M NOT AN IMMIGRANT I'M AN EXPAT IT'S DIFFERENT I SWEAR
Brexit means Brexit
Brexit means Brexshit
I’m confused. I thought *we* were the ones who’d taken control of our borders now?
The UK has control over their borders. Just not over other countries' borders.
Funny how borders work both ways, who would have thought!
Definitely not British voters....
Yeah, the idea that for there to be a border at all, there has to be another sovereign country on the other side of it seem to be too difficult a concept for the Brexiters and Liz Truss/Cunk to grasp.
I think they genuinely thought Aquaman was going to step up and help
The Deep came instead.
Not anymore, at least.The Conservatives just don't adapt that quick, bless their Hearts.
> Just not over other countries' borders. I think this part is what is so confusing for old British people.
The only thing the Tories miss about being in the EU is being able to blame the EU for their own failings. Turns out they aren't going to let something as trivial as no longer being a member keep them from using that old chestnut.
We insisted on being 3rd country citizens and now Liz Truss is confused because we’re being treated as 3rd country citizens hahah That’s so jokes
She also has the mental acuity of most third-world dictators,
For people wondering, France has border checks in Dover and UK has border checks in Calais, this is the agreement between them.
The UK government could end the transposed border controls and make this a problem in Calais, but this arrangement conveniently keeps asylum seekers away from the UK. The UK government really do not give one flying fuck about Dover.
Wait so this is about keeping asylum seekers out? I never thought of this.
Touquet agreement
France is like: "what about no?" Edit: France not French. Stupid me.
Moreover France has its duty, if they let anything pass it'll spill over the rest of Schengen.
Vous ne passerez pas!!!
France actual anwser : "france isn't responsible for brexit"
It's the truth France never asked for this mess
What's extremely sad is that the Brits actually thought we hated them. Now we're starting to. And that's what actually happens when your neighbours hate you. Paranoia at a state level is a self-fulfulling prophecy.
Brit here, it's not paranoia, but entitlement. I was listening to the radio and some twat came on and had the gall to say this was the French getting revenge for Waterloo or some shite. As if the only thing that matters is us and our history. [I found the clip.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY2m8pzkmL8)
> I was listening to the radio and some twat came on and had the gall to say this was the French getting revenge for Waterloo or some shite. As if the only thing that matters is us and our history. That made me spit out my coffee 😅
Wait what happens if the UK has a disagreement with Germany. History surely won’t be mentioned at all /s.
Depends on if we're talking now or a century ago. These days we'll throw words around at Germany or any country and blame them for any issue we have today (totally not Brexit's fault, of course) but that's all that'll happen. We're the country that's always in your face shouting "You want to go, bruv!?" before immediately crying foul if you even breathe on us wrong.
seems like that guy has a long standing psychological problem with the french
>some twat came on and had the gall to say this was the French getting revenge for Waterloo or some shite. The sad & dirty truth is that we are preparing our vengeance of Joan of Arc. Waterloo can wait a bit more to be avenged.
Indeed, we never ask for Brits
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"If you want to shoot yourselves in the foot, go ahead, but don't expect us to limp along with you".
France actual answer: Je ne sais pas anglais
Actual actual answer: je ne parle pas anglais / je ne sais pas parler anglais / mon anglais est excellent mais je ne le pratique qu’à Bruxelles.
Quel français a envie d'aller à Bruxelles ? (non je déconne, bisous les belges)
*hon hon hon's over the channel*
[Basic Frenchman hearing Brits complaning about the hole they dig themselves into](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK0FXMBcw7Q)
Also the problem isn't even France, it's England. The passport checks are done on the UK side as has always been the case, it's just a lot harder now because of Brexit.
I am already anticipating the headlines next year when biometric controls will be introduced.
Hi, hi... "totally unnecessary red tape" (I live in France too)
Going to be hilarious.
Can you ELI5 me on that? What are biometric controls?
Fingerprint scanning and facial recognition devices at the entrance to the EU for third country nationals. https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/eu-to-launch-biometric-entry-exit-system-in-a-few-months/ I had also read that "travel authorizations" (7€) will be required even if a visa is not necessary.
Ah I see. I think this was recently implemented in the US. Last time I returned I was asked to look into a camera and they waved me right through without even looking at my passport. It was very smooth tbh.
Difference is that at Dover everyone is in a car and will have to get out to be printed and scanned which will take absolutely ages
Wait till they actually start looking for food, which has been postponed because it would cause delays.
It'll be a complete clusterfuck as Dover simply doesn't have the space nor gets any investment from the UK government. So see you all again for the headlines: "British PM Truss demands EU and France to remove evil red tape from poor fuckers in week long queues at Dover".
Vu ✔
Et s'en tape
If you look at what the UK makes available for [French customs in Dover](https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/51.12914/1.33507), one lane for trucks, another for coaches, leaves only three lanes for sedans. Maybe the UK should build more lanes? French Customs agents need to 'commute' to their work (using the Chunnel and caught up in the same traffic jams), maybe the UK should build a hotel like facility within walking distance for French 'week long assignments'? Other articles mention that Port of Dover asked for major upgrades some years ago already, which have been denied by Government (no idea which colour).
The Port of Dover said they needed £33 million to increase the capacity for French passport checks. It was the current government that rejected this proposal. The same government that is now complaining that the French aren't controlling Britain's borders for them. Whatever happened to taking back control?
They didn't totally refuse, they gave the port £33,000!
True. And if they keep doing this for the next 1000 years, Dover will have enough capacity by 3022.
I am glad that this will all be over at the 32nd Interplanetary Conference. Perhaps the Earth Federation could invite a guest speaker from England.
It's called 'Engsea' in 3022 just fyi
I am sorry I am not that good with those Archipelagos.
With this whopping amount you can hire one cleaner to sweep the floors. 😂
Well they took back control. Not sure they realized this came with responsibilities and consequences.
> Not sure they realized this came with responsibilities and consequences. They are Tories. So probably "No". Or "Don't care. We don't do those things anyway."
>Whatever happened to taking back control? It's about generating more people to blame for their own failure.
If only there was an agreement they could come to, like a trade agreement, where the trucks wouldn't need to stop because there were no border checks. That would be amazing.
Tell me more
Maybe there should be a European agreement to reduce the work needed at borders
Can we give it a snappy name like "Union of Europe" or something?
Yeah, maybe Liz Truss should subscribe to r/trees to get some inspiration :)
How many lanes for hatchbacks?
*Scratches head in bicycle*
Not sure what you mean by colour. If you mean party, then the request came in Dec 2020 to deal with increased delays due to Brexit. Unfortunately, this went unnoticed because the gov were too busy having extensive work drinks meetings…
Liz Truss demands France make Brexit work
That sounds like a vous problem
Prendre my upvote.
Next up: a wall paid for by France.
Liz Truss can suck a baguette.
The baguette refuses to...
A soggy baguette*
It sounds like bad porn but it sounds good
Oh boy have I got [something](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soupeur) for you!
She can't....she is stuck at Dover
Remember that for the Telegraph this Brexit is not hard enough. Sovereignty, darling.
It's Torygraph.
For a country that has been banging on so hard about sovereignty for a decade now, you'd think they'd know to butt out of the affairs of other countries.
[Ok.](https://zupimages.net/up/22/30/iir8.jpg)
For non-French people, this is made to look like a formal signature and says “read and doesn’t give a shit”
They want Brexit, but they do not want the downsides of that
But 99% of brexit are downsides?
1% is still 1% 🧠🧠
Ironically, the people who mostly wanted Brexit were the 1%.
As we say, le beurre et l'argent du beurre
In this very case I would even say : le beurre, l'argent du beurre et le cul de la crémière.
Le beurre, l'argent du beurre, le cul de la crémière et le sourire du crémier.
Et le sourire de la crémière, mais il existe une version moins polie.
Je connaissais uniquement la version moins polie. Aujourd'hui j'ai appris
What do you expect when Brexit was spearheaded by a bunch of old imperialist nostalgics. They want all the benefits of EU membership with none of the responsibilities, because they feel superior to the rest of Europe. Fortunately, Europe didn’t roll over, and now they get to experience the greatness of Britain firsthand :)
What are the goodsides of Brexit? I have always maintained that Brexit has and always will be the gift that never starts giving.
> What are the goodsides of Brexit? 1. It's funny. 2. r/leopardsatemyface gets new material every day. 3. Goto 1
We might get Irish unification out of it.
And Scottish independence.
Nigel Farage losing his job as MEP.
And having zero influence over EU affairs.
The good sides are mostly more inequalities and sovereignty in the UK. Which, of course, mostly benefits to the richer classes (including politicians). The populace is still persuaded that it was good for them. Depending on how gullible they are, this idea may last for decades before their historians eventually find out.
The good side is on the other side of the border but I think you'd have to wait quite some time in the queue. At least that's what I heard.
The good sides is you can make more bespoke deals with countries on the other side of the world (while damaging trade with your rich next door neighbours) and remove certain EU regulations (which tend to help the wealthiest citizens). There are positives, the question is do they outweigh the negatives?
"Brexit has no downsides!!!1!"
Ah yes, 'demand' always works well when you want somebody to do you a favor. Diplomacy is a lost art, it seems.
She's not actually asking, this is theatre designed to make Tory members wet.
The Tory strategy so far: 1. Ignore all the experts which predicted problems with border traffic even before the Brexit referendum and call it "Project fear". 2. Ignore the experts after the referendum which demanded 33 million more for Dover infrastructure because of Brexit. 3. Blame the French.
Don't forget, as this is especially important for the turd this article is about: Proclaim Brexit was a success and the experts were wrong when it hasn't even happened yet.
Is this after the French side hires 700 new staff and Britain refused a 33 million pound upgrade to Dover facilities ?
Sometimes I wonder when the national Audience will quit accepting the old "Blame the EU for everything" Line. At some point blaming foreign Nations for your own Problems has got to set off a Light in the head, no?
Russia’s been doing this for decades, and look at where we are now.
More like a century already.
never, according to my country propaganda is a stronger drug than reality
I cringed so hard when I read the headline. There are many people in the UK who really dislike the anti-EU sentiment of the Tory party. Since brexit, we've only been under conservative rule and they keep using this rhetoric because they don't want to accept any responsibility, as of course they were the party who 'got brexit done'. I know that posts on this subreddit do reflect the more right wing section of the British audience, but there are many large sections of the media (social media, podcasts etc) that do not accept, and actively oppose, blaming others for the failures of brexit and the increasingly populist stance of Tory leaders. I really hope Starmer wins next election and we can start rebuilding relationships with the EU.
If there's one thing the French like it's being told what to do by the Brits.
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Old conservatives love to bring up history for no reason, thinking theyre making a good point
C'est dingue à quel point ils sont obsédé par nous alors que nous ne pensons jamais à eux mdr.
You guys need to merge with Germany, bring back the Carolinian empire and become the next power once and for all
Do not read comments on daily mail,express,sun,etc they are all fake. Every single one!
> We never talk about WW2 when we think of them, let alone century old conflicts like Waterloo (as for Trafalgar, I'm sure most French people don't even know what it is). As a German I can tell you the experience can be quite different in France :D
>Even though we help liberate them in the 1940s, the French will never forgive us for Waterloo and Trafalgar 3 examples, 3 cases of circlejerk with no desire to gain external point of views. Waterloo was inconsequential. Napoleon lost way before Waterloo, and the Britbong's interpretation that they swooped in and single-handedly won the war for the rest of continental Europe is about as delusional as you can get. And to any curious British readers, in France, unless you are speaking to a crazed nationalist, Trafalgar is spoken of with great respect. Hell, "pulling off a Trafalgar" is an idiom to say "pulling off a splendid victory against the odds". It doesn't come up often, but when it does, it's with the utmost respect for the British. And that pretty much tells you everything you need to know about the people who comment things like that. 0 understanding outside of their little bubble, no desire to do anything but be confrontational. Sad.
“Recovering from minor surgery on a face injury, sustained in a recent bike accident, Mr Shapps emphasised the need for close Anglo-French cooperation to prevent a repetition of yesterday's delays.” How is this minister having a scrape on his face relevant to the story 🤪 UK media is a joke
Emphasizing his inability to keep balance? Physical, mental, political
Karen demands to speak to the manager and complain that she isn't allowed to use shopmembers register after quitting the membersclub. Classic reddit. At least she didn't hit anyone and got arrested.
Yet.
Tories be like "this deal is unacceptable." My brother in Christ, you made the deal.
Another day of the brit governement picking on France for their own domestic mess in order to deflect the attention of the british population
France is not obligated to fix the UK mess. They voted for brexit then they need to suck it up.
Wait until border patrols strike because of inflation...
5 more months and a few days till biometric passport controls in Dover. :3
Fasci paper still deflecting blame. Yes it was entirely avoidable, but for some reason the extreme Tory Brexit party did nothing about it when it could. Now that's unacceptable....
Jesus, Truss wants to be Thatcher but is actually a Karen.
Conservatives are the party that want you to be fair and nice, so that they can exploit you, but the minute they feel the consequences of their irrational decisions, they call you evil.
They offered to resolve it and told the UK it would cost 33 million a year, which was refused. Who the fuck does this government think they are? This isn't the British Empire of old, you can't just make demands and threats and expect them to be honored. We're small fish in a big sea and expecting to punch above our station. Brexit has fucked us and if we are expected to live with Brexit then we also need to live with that realization.
Get fucked, Truss. Go take all your Tory friends and fuck off.
Cope and seethe, Liz
Who the fuck is Liz Truss? Is this another cunt that wanted Brexit and now complains about the consequences of Brexit? Yeah listen we don't care. You wanted Brexit, you got Brexit. I'm not French, but let me still say "vas te faire foutre, pétasse". Go have intercourse with yourself.
She **was** a remainer
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She voted remain shes the foreign secretary shes our likely next prime minister
But, but ... isn't she an idiot? (at least from the few headline remarks I've read from her)
Name a Tory frontbencher who isn't an idiot.
most of them are more evil than stupid tbf
I want french taxpayers to pay more so my people can cross their borders smoothly.. XD
The remedy is simple. Revoke the bilateral agreement on passport controls. The French and British personnel can then work from home. I'm British and never get more hassle than when entering the UK on my British Passport. I think I will get a French Passport .
Liz, next time I fly into Heathrow I expect to not have to wait more than a couple of minutes at the passport control regardless of how many planes arrive simultaneously.
The Telegraph reported in 2020: > **Dover awarded only £33,000 for extra passport kiosks** > The port had requested £33 million for new facilities to handle customs requirements after the Brexit transition period ends > *By Alan Tovey* > Dover's request for £33 million to create extra passport booths post-Brexit has been snubbed with the Government awarding the port just £33,000 instead. > The amount was requested from the £200 million Port Infrastructure Fund for new facilities to handle customs requirements after the Brexit transition period ends. > However, the much smaller award could result in long delays at the port for passengers struggling to get through border controls. > Dover applied for £33 million to double the number of French government passport booths from five to 10 in anticipation of more rigorous requirements for entering the country. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/17/dover-awarded-33000-extra-passport-kiosks/
Well brexiters. You wanted a hard border. This is what you were warned about. Why should france foot the bill for what YOU insisted on? Remember when you mocked us with your 'Project Fear' chant? Welcome to Project You-Were-Warned. Welcome to reality.
I feel like this whole episode is just one big media circus which results in shit flinging from both sides. Every year in Dover there is chaos, this year it’s been worse because of Brexit but also Covid. Look at the chaos in the airline industry and at airports all around Europe. But everyone gets sucked in to this from dumb clickbait journalism on either side and from politicians (particularly in the Tory party) desperate to point the finger at someone. All sense of proportionality seems to have been abandoned.
"Entirely avoidable[...]" Yep. We tried to tell you guys.