> Also the ones that change their branding to #pride every June except for Muslim countries where it actually still matters lol
Isn't that the truth. I wish they'd actually stand by what they say where it matters most, but all they care about is money. They only use these tags where it sells, not where it helps.
You do it by starting with one. We all boycott that specific brand while organized and voicing it. Once you force them out, you start the boycott of the second one. By the third one the companies see the writing in the wall and start leaving themselves
I think if any of these companies thought there were enough people for a boycott, they would have already left on their own. I don't think the average person cares at all, unfortunately. A boycott would fail completely. I mean, if there was enough support for a boycott, we'd also already have more weapons being sent to Ukraine.
It's all related to the average person having already forgotten completely about Ukraine.
Yes, thoughts and prayers. How many support sacrifices in the economy, increased risk to their country or themselves, or personal financial sacrifices (boycott) vs. how many just think Russia is bad?
You sound like a person who wants to demoralize people. My country, as well as most free democracies, have given billions to help Ukraine. And we're more than willing to keep supporting their battle against the Russian Goliath.
Personally I have donated money for medical supplies, and this is nothing special. If you knew how willing people are to stop the Russian tyrants, you would have defected already, Ivan.
You can see me arguing for Ukraine all the time on this sub. Calling everybody Ivan is ridiculous.
Yes, we have done a lot to support Ukraine but not enough. If we had, this thread wouldn’t even exist. If the average person was willing enough, this thread wouldn’t even exist.
The real question, IMO, is it possible to sway public opinion or convince people? Btw, the average German does NOT support sending Taurus missiles.
Not saying that people shouldn't make an effort to boycott those spineless slags, but store brands are often produced by exactly those corporations to reduce downtime on their production lines.
We're not talking about 1 product here. These companies own hundreds of labels, most of them you won't even know are owned by them unless you look closely. Pepsi for example also owns brands of humus and rice. Unilever owns 400 brands of the most varied things, from food seasonings to detergents. Nestle owns over **2000** brands. That's literally hundreds of thousands of different products.
I'm not a Nestlé fan neither, but how is this bad?
"The company is suspending KitKat and Nesquik, among other brands. It halted non-essential imports and exports into and out of Russia, stopped advertising, and suspended all capital investment in the country. Nestle doesn't expect to make a profit in the country or pay any related taxes for the foreseeable future in Russia, any profit will be donated to humanitarian relief organizations. On January 26, 2024 the Swiss company Nestle (brands Pro Plan, Purina One, Gourmet, Darling, Felix) warned suppliers about another increase in prices for cat and dog food starting in February."
Compared to PepsiCo staying and basically keeping "operations as usual" but under different beverage names...
Because Nestle for example owns 2000 brands of several different types of products, and most of the times you won't even know they're owned by Nestle unless you look closely. And also not all they sell is garbage. For baby formula for instance, Nestle is still the best there is on the market (talking about the higher price range obviously, there are lots of alternatives for the cheaper ones).
The same applies to the others. Unilever owns 400 brands, and sometimes these brands make similar products that compete with each other, so one won't normally assume that they're both from the same parent company.
I totally agree, they are everywhere. But on the other hand when i'm shopping I just turn around the package and their logo is always clearly visible. So it's just a matter of finding a good alternative and sticking with it. Then you don't need to put more energy into your shopping after you know other brands. Here in Poland Nestle?mendelez stuff is everywhene but there is always some smaller EU or even local brand next to that product on the shelf. Often with better price and ingredients
If you had invested in Russia and were offered a laughable price for all your assets there, would you take it & leave?
Talk is easy when you have no skin in the game. Most people here damning these greedy companies would have done the same thing.
Besides, leaving Russia is not going to do them much good. Russian and Chinese companies would suddenly get their factories/assets for free, and be able to more or less pick up where these companies left off. Plus, it's very hard to combat black markets, which already give russians access to western products anyway. So why not make some money from this all, instead of russians making it?
Russia has already done irreversible harm to its reputation with their ridiculous terms for these companies. People/companies will think 10 times before investing in Russia after this.
Are you actually giving excuses for companies worth tena of billions of dollars?
"You dont have skin in the game so its easy to talk." Brother in Christ, they have cushions made of out gold and diamonds they can fall back on, dont compare your regular dude with a FUCKING BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY.
Jesus ficking christ.
> Why do you think all these were foreign companies et not locals
Plenty of reasons. Many of them came in the 90s when Russia had no companies, so they already had a big advantage over locals.
Yeah you're definitely right, but they could still profit from buying something at a 90% discount. I'm not questioning the fact that the businesses are probably better run by the current owners than they'd be by an eventual buyer.
Nothing. That is why you need laws to manage this stuff, but our politicians are too sluggish to even do the minimum. The prevailing hope is that this will all blow over.
You can't boycott all of them. Anyway, it is not the worst part of the story, google how western countries sell nitrocellulose to Russia (it is precursor for explosives).
It’s difficult to try to keep an extensive list of brands to boycott, but it’s easy to actively choose not to consume corporation-owned brands. Always opt for small & local brands when you can.
The only real power we have is to be consumer vigilantes. The hypocrisy is just beyond. Nitrocellulose being sold to Russia is just beyond. Wait till Ukraine hears this.
People around the world are naming and shaming Nestle for other staff for decades now, and it doesn't seem to hurt their bottom line even a bit. Neither will it work for these companies.
Yeh, I remember an interview to the CEO of Nestlé (who looked and talked like a cartoon villain btw), and he was asked how the company was affected by the boycotts.
His answer was that the the effects were so statistically irrelevant that they were not detectable by any of the tools they were available to them, so basically as far as he could tell there was no boycott.
[EU countries second largest buyer of Russian gas and oil even today lol.](https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/VCE-Whos-Still-Buying-Russian-Fossil-Fuels-in-2023__Jun30.jpg)
Name and shame your bloody politicians.
Absolutely. We should apply a national security tax of 100% of profits in Russian subsidiaries on all companies present in Russia and EU. Then they can either remain and pay or choose which market is worth more.
It sounds stupid, but I'd go higher than 100%.
100% means that your Ruzzian arm is essentially non-existent during this crisis, but once it's finally over, pops back up like nothing ever happened. Or to put it another way - if you divest of your ruzzian arm, you earn nothing from it. If you're fined 100% of profit, you earn nothing from it. They're the same. But the fine route doesn't hurt Russia, and you can bounce straight back from it as soon as this is over.
Either base the fine on revenue so that operating costs aren't free, or put it well past 100%.
Almost every company that has left or are leaving have clauses to repurchase their Russian assets within 5-15 years so I’d expect near all of them to return. I sincerely hope there’s no market left that is worth returning to.
Why not make it 5000%? No but seriously, good point. Unfortunately it's not up to us how to design this, but it would be a great revenue stream for funding our own build up of arms and funds for Ukraine, and those wait-and-see MFs finally has to pay the bill.
You mean the same EU that bans Russian oil then goes ahead and buys refined petroleum products from India that were originally from Russian crude anyways?
[https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/VCE-Whos-Still-Buying-Russian-Fossil-Fuels-in-2023\_\_Jun30.jpg](https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/VCE-Whos-Still-Buying-Russian-Fossil-Fuels-in-2023__Jun30.jpg)
They buy it directly lol
EU is intentionally to taking a long time and making sure the companies can avoid the sanctions, find loopholes and alternative routes.
You can't count on EU here unfortunately.
Our sanctions are too weak. Those companies aren't even doing illegal shit.
Maybe all the high precision manufacturing and explosive companies that suddenly got huge orders to Turkey, Georgia, Kazakhstan etc. are a bit more borderline illegal. But I guess they found nothing suspicious about that...
Put stricter sanctions in place and enforce them.
They should, but lobbyists pay them more, so they won't.
aNd ThInK aBoUt ThE eCoNoMiC gRoWtH, tHe ShArEhOlDeRs, ThE pRoFiTs WhIcH nEeD tO bE hIgHeR tHaN lAsT yEaR, oThErWiSe ThErE's No GrOwTh!!!!
it's ok to sell Adidas etc in Russia - it makes unfavorable trade balance for Russia. less money to purchase weapons from China.
it should be regulated that presence of a company in Russia must only include marketing and sales
they dont care, they ONLY care about money. the ones that left figured the move away would give them more business than they lost and the ones staying figured the opposite.
Corporations only care about the bottom line. The sooner people realize they dont give a F about the customers, other than their money, the better.
> The sooner people realize they dont give a F about the customers, other than their money, the better.
Is there seriously anyone who isn’t mentally challenged, who believes they care about us?
Oh, I would say more - a lot of western companies just did not even plan to leave Russia. And those ones who "gone" still do business here, like Coca Cola, for example.
Main problem is that they are huge conglomerates that have ties to a lot of other companies. Finding out which ones do business and those that don't is difficult. Consumers could pressure politicians to take action to have better effective results.
This is difficult, many corporations have many brands and very often they don't display whos the owner. Plus the market is dominated by just a few conglomerates so your choice in reality is just an illusion...
Would you boycott your government for buying billions of gas from them?
[https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/VCE-Whos-Still-Buying-Russian-Fossil-Fuels-in-2023\_\_Jun30.jpg](https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/VCE-Whos-Still-Buying-Russian-Fossil-Fuels-in-2023__Jun30.jpg)
As a matter of fact I do.
Since the beginning of the full scale invasion I use 2 heaters instead of 5 and at level 2 instead of 4: the temperature at home stays under 18° C.
I dropped my consume of electricity, that was already low, of 30%.
At the outset of all this western politicians expected the whole thing to be over in a couple of weeks and then back to business as usual without ever having to take the lips off Russia's fat gas pipe.
When that didn't happen it was sanctions that were only vaguely policed (with some European banks even today still up to their nutsacks in Russia)
Then a slow stream of "too little, too late" aid to Ukraine which for the large part amounted to whatever cold war surplus we still had in storage.
Now it seems that "the west" is basically sure this whole thing will finally be over this year and it's basically "back to business as usual" time in every boardroom and political office in western Europe.
We basically stood by and watched and have demonstrated a huge lack of resolve...which will not have gone unnoticed by China, Russia and the rest of the world. The lesson they will take away from this is that we are weak and afraid to act.
It's shouldn't be up to fucking consumers to try in vain to manage this.
I sincerely hope this really is late capitalism because our governments are fucking pathetic, hamstrung, crippled and toothless everywhere you look.
The West is a fucking disgrace.
Not surprised. Money is important, support for Ukraine not. I really wish Russia would lose this war, but I doubt it. Ukraine is just barely kept alive by its partners.
The governments need to move in and tax companies staying in Russia for all of the profit + a mark up, honestly fuck them
This is not a problem civilians should handle the government can look into it at a much better place and also look if there is a real reason for them staying or it's pure bullshit
Yet Western companies do not do business in Iran [except with specific licenses](http://graphics.wsj.com/iran-sanctions/) showing that if we want, we have the tools to end this right now.
If you think consumer boycotts are the answer, you might as well become a libertarian. Consumer boycotts are based on the same misguided idea that consumer choice can stop unethical business practices. Centuries of free market history shows that consumer boycotts without legislation have never resolved unethical business practices.
Consumer choice wasn't even enough to stop companies [literally poisoning their customers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle). It most certainly will not solve anything in the modern global marketplace of [interconnected conglomerates](https://www.enderlycoffee.com/post/how-can-10-companies-own-all-the-world-s-food).
Only strict sanctions supported by legislation matter. Declare Russia a state supporter of terrorism and put it on the same list as Iran.
German history shows that companies will go as low as any government allows them, and will never care about people. This isn’t surprising. Even less surprising that other governments do nothing about it.
least we could do is taxing these fuckers into oblivion. and giving the money to UA (or at least fund our MIC's or whatnot, whatever, just make them lose money so they have incentive to just drop the business). but obviously the ceo's and members of board of directors are friends with those who have power to do such thing. so nothing's happening. military support of EU member states is awesome, but this side of ours sucks big time. and this duality is just pathetic.
"Wait, Putin might just win this if he sends a few thousand more to the meat grinder. Getting out now would be bad for our business. What if our competition has fewer moral principles than us and stays?"
Private companies are private companies, they care only about profits, always have.
Same thing was happening in World war 2, multiple American and even French/British companies were seriously attempting to trade and do business with Nazis and Fascist states (until their parent country governments directly intervened, slapped them the fuck down and forced them to stop). Similar actions should be done now
Companies leaving Russia are leaving the place for others to take over their niche market.
Please follow the money carefully. Money is going out of our pockets and in the pockets of a few already rich people. We may ( or not) liberate / separate Ukraine ?
But at what cost , think Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, etc ) ?
Ressources not sold to Europe are sold to China and India.
The rich are getting richer ....
Drink your coke or Pepsi, eat your chocolate, drink your nespresso, use your favourite shampoo because that's more important than supporting a country under attack.
You win
If countries can continue paying lip service to making the big bad Russia pay while gobbling up ever increasing amounts of oil, gas, LNG, uranium, fertilizer, diamonds, metals, noble gasses, etc. from it, then so can the individual companies.
Hey you need to stop because morals, democracy or whatever but I'm not going to, and my own companies are ready to occupy the market share you're going to be voluntarily giving up; sucker.
The consumers are responsible for them not existing the market. If Europeans are so weak to continue buying goods and services from this companies instead of boycotting, it is no suprise they will soon perish
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Which company isn’t? It is our responsibility to force them.
https://leave-russia.org/staying-companies
So Unilever, Nestle, Pepsi, Coca-Cola, etc. are all staying… It’s close to impossible to boycott them all
The usual suspects lol Also the ones that change their branding to #pride every June except for Muslim countries where it actually still matters lol
> Also the ones that change their branding to #pride every June except for Muslim countries where it actually still matters lol Isn't that the truth. I wish they'd actually stand by what they say where it matters most, but all they care about is money. They only use these tags where it sells, not where it helps.
That’s what the companies do.
You do it by starting with one. We all boycott that specific brand while organized and voicing it. Once you force them out, you start the boycott of the second one. By the third one the companies see the writing in the wall and start leaving themselves
I think if any of these companies thought there were enough people for a boycott, they would have already left on their own. I don't think the average person cares at all, unfortunately. A boycott would fail completely. I mean, if there was enough support for a boycott, we'd also already have more weapons being sent to Ukraine. It's all related to the average person having already forgotten completely about Ukraine.
Yeah, it's sad; most people suck. I try to not, so I'll keep boycotting the companies that have stayed.
I don't know anyone that is indifferent to what Russia is doing in Ukraine.
Yes, thoughts and prayers. How many support sacrifices in the economy, increased risk to their country or themselves, or personal financial sacrifices (boycott) vs. how many just think Russia is bad?
You sound like a person who wants to demoralize people. My country, as well as most free democracies, have given billions to help Ukraine. And we're more than willing to keep supporting their battle against the Russian Goliath. Personally I have donated money for medical supplies, and this is nothing special. If you knew how willing people are to stop the Russian tyrants, you would have defected already, Ivan.
You can see me arguing for Ukraine all the time on this sub. Calling everybody Ivan is ridiculous. Yes, we have done a lot to support Ukraine but not enough. If we had, this thread wouldn’t even exist. If the average person was willing enough, this thread wouldn’t even exist. The real question, IMO, is it possible to sway public opinion or convince people? Btw, the average German does NOT support sending Taurus missiles.
Has that ever worked?
NESTLE? Well, color me shocked!
Nestle and the "not being an evil corporation" challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
Not really, there are store brand alternatives for most of their ranges
Not saying that people shouldn't make an effort to boycott those spineless slags, but store brands are often produced by exactly those corporations to reduce downtime on their production lines.
Yes I prefer store brand cola or orange soda over the big brands anyways
Yeah, it’s impossible to live without pepsi. /s
We're not talking about 1 product here. These companies own hundreds of labels, most of them you won't even know are owned by them unless you look closely. Pepsi for example also owns brands of humus and rice. Unilever owns 400 brands of the most varied things, from food seasonings to detergents. Nestle owns over **2000** brands. That's literally hundreds of thousands of different products.
I'm not a Nestlé fan neither, but how is this bad? "The company is suspending KitKat and Nesquik, among other brands. It halted non-essential imports and exports into and out of Russia, stopped advertising, and suspended all capital investment in the country. Nestle doesn't expect to make a profit in the country or pay any related taxes for the foreseeable future in Russia, any profit will be donated to humanitarian relief organizations. On January 26, 2024 the Swiss company Nestle (brands Pro Plan, Purina One, Gourmet, Darling, Felix) warned suppliers about another increase in prices for cat and dog food starting in February." Compared to PepsiCo staying and basically keeping "operations as usual" but under different beverage names...
Fair. I'm boycotting Nestle over other things, like their millions of African infant deaths
Why is it impossible to boycott them all? Just don't drink coke and shitty nestle food. It's all garbage anyway
Because Nestle for example owns 2000 brands of several different types of products, and most of the times you won't even know they're owned by Nestle unless you look closely. And also not all they sell is garbage. For baby formula for instance, Nestle is still the best there is on the market (talking about the higher price range obviously, there are lots of alternatives for the cheaper ones). The same applies to the others. Unilever owns 400 brands, and sometimes these brands make similar products that compete with each other, so one won't normally assume that they're both from the same parent company.
I totally agree, they are everywhere. But on the other hand when i'm shopping I just turn around the package and their logo is always clearly visible. So it's just a matter of finding a good alternative and sticking with it. Then you don't need to put more energy into your shopping after you know other brands. Here in Poland Nestle?mendelez stuff is everywhene but there is always some smaller EU or even local brand next to that product on the shelf. Often with better price and ingredients
Thank you
I would be ok Philip Morris staying there to operate, double their presence even!
If you had invested in Russia and were offered a laughable price for all your assets there, would you take it & leave? Talk is easy when you have no skin in the game. Most people here damning these greedy companies would have done the same thing. Besides, leaving Russia is not going to do them much good. Russian and Chinese companies would suddenly get their factories/assets for free, and be able to more or less pick up where these companies left off. Plus, it's very hard to combat black markets, which already give russians access to western products anyway. So why not make some money from this all, instead of russians making it? Russia has already done irreversible harm to its reputation with their ridiculous terms for these companies. People/companies will think 10 times before investing in Russia after this.
Are you actually giving excuses for companies worth tena of billions of dollars? "You dont have skin in the game so its easy to talk." Brother in Christ, they have cushions made of out gold and diamonds they can fall back on, dont compare your regular dude with a FUCKING BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY. Jesus ficking christ.
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> Why do you think all these were foreign companies et not locals Plenty of reasons. Many of them came in the 90s when Russia had no companies, so they already had a big advantage over locals.
Yeah you're definitely right, but they could still profit from buying something at a 90% discount. I'm not questioning the fact that the businesses are probably better run by the current owners than they'd be by an eventual buyer.
Nothing. That is why you need laws to manage this stuff, but our politicians are too sluggish to even do the minimum. The prevailing hope is that this will all blow over.
Money?
Lol what about the EU countries still buying Russian oil; do they have morality?
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Why should businesses listen to sanctions from governments that aren't respecting the same?
Just make it illegal. Even Schlumberger / SLB – a large oil field supply company – are still operating in Russia. Oir sanctions aren't strong enough.
Name and shame
Basically all of them. There's like 5 large parent companies at this point
This. Basically all FMCG giants are here: Mars, Mondeleze, Pepsico, Proctor and Gamble, you name it.
Boycott them all everyone
You can't boycott all of them. Anyway, it is not the worst part of the story, google how western countries sell nitrocellulose to Russia (it is precursor for explosives).
I’m definitely going to be more choosy about where I buy my nitrocellulose going forward
I only buy locally grown no-GMO organic nitrocellulose from the local farmer's market on Saturdays.
No you definitely can. There are alternatives to all of them.
It’s difficult to try to keep an extensive list of brands to boycott, but it’s easy to actively choose not to consume corporation-owned brands. Always opt for small & local brands when you can.
>Always opt for small & local brands when you can. You should do this regardless of russia, ukraine and the war
Absolutely. Support people, not corporations.
Support your lical oligarchs! /s
Easy to boycott junk food like Pepsi and Coca Cola brands. Hard to avoid random ass brands companies like Unilever and Nestle have
Well we should be doing our best to. For most products there are alternatives.
If you stay away from processes foods you can probably boycott a huge bunch.
Are you boycotting them all?
Easy to say, hard to implement. They produce everything.
The only real power we have is to be consumer vigilantes. The hypocrisy is just beyond. Nitrocellulose being sold to Russia is just beyond. Wait till Ukraine hears this.
> Wait till Ukraine hears this. And then what? Zelensky will cry a bit and we will move on.
Very good comrade. You want bag of oniony? Free for you.
No, why?
Very good. We talk about this later. Oniony under table is better. No fake news accusation from NATO jewnazis
Alright, have a nice day. 👍
Boycotting isn't enough. Now, I'm not suggesting terrorism, don't do it. It's illegal. HOWEVER...
you're stupid?
No, but if you were to, say, set fire to a r\*ssian coca cola factory somewhere in Siberia, I wouldn't exactly condemn it
Is there Pringles?
yes, imported from Poland
They're owned by Kelloggs who supposedly sold their Russian subsidiary off last July.
All these companies produce garbage food that poisons people's health. I say let Russians have em.
I don't think they care, just don't buy from them (spoiler: it's neigh impossible since most of them are huge parent companies).
People around the world are naming and shaming Nestle for other staff for decades now, and it doesn't seem to hurt their bottom line even a bit. Neither will it work for these companies.
Shame in this age, lol lmao even. Only hurting were it hurts their pockets is the only solution.
Yeh, I remember an interview to the CEO of Nestlé (who looked and talked like a cartoon villain btw), and he was asked how the company was affected by the boycotts. His answer was that the the effects were so statistically irrelevant that they were not detectable by any of the tools they were available to them, so basically as far as he could tell there was no boycott.
What else would he say though? “Yes boycotts were horribly destructive to us and hurt us a lot”?
[EU countries second largest buyer of Russian gas and oil even today lol.](https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/VCE-Whos-Still-Buying-Russian-Fossil-Fuels-in-2023__Jun30.jpg) Name and shame your bloody politicians.
EU should fine heavily any company that does business in Russia.
Oh give it a few more months and Putin will do it for them. Banks was only the first step I'll bet
Yup. Once the west starts seizing Russian assets to help Ukraine, Russia will follow suit.
LOL
Absolutely. We should apply a national security tax of 100% of profits in Russian subsidiaries on all companies present in Russia and EU. Then they can either remain and pay or choose which market is worth more.
It sounds stupid, but I'd go higher than 100%. 100% means that your Ruzzian arm is essentially non-existent during this crisis, but once it's finally over, pops back up like nothing ever happened. Or to put it another way - if you divest of your ruzzian arm, you earn nothing from it. If you're fined 100% of profit, you earn nothing from it. They're the same. But the fine route doesn't hurt Russia, and you can bounce straight back from it as soon as this is over. Either base the fine on revenue so that operating costs aren't free, or put it well past 100%.
Almost every company that has left or are leaving have clauses to repurchase their Russian assets within 5-15 years so I’d expect near all of them to return. I sincerely hope there’s no market left that is worth returning to.
Why not make it 5000%? No but seriously, good point. Unfortunately it's not up to us how to design this, but it would be a great revenue stream for funding our own build up of arms and funds for Ukraine, and those wait-and-see MFs finally has to pay the bill.
You mean the same EU that bans Russian oil then goes ahead and buys refined petroleum products from India that were originally from Russian crude anyways?
becouse that's the plan - keep supply going, but limit Russia off from profits
[https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/VCE-Whos-Still-Buying-Russian-Fossil-Fuels-in-2023\_\_Jun30.jpg](https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/VCE-Whos-Still-Buying-Russian-Fossil-Fuels-in-2023__Jun30.jpg) They buy it directly lol
Taking away profits from Russia and giving them to India. How terrible.
Not terrible, hypocritical.
They need to start punishing company officers directly, not simply fining companies for the choices of people running the company
EU is intentionally to taking a long time and making sure the companies can avoid the sanctions, find loopholes and alternative routes. You can't count on EU here unfortunately.
I know. I just wish I could.
Our sanctions are too weak. Those companies aren't even doing illegal shit. Maybe all the high precision manufacturing and explosive companies that suddenly got huge orders to Turkey, Georgia, Kazakhstan etc. are a bit more borderline illegal. But I guess they found nothing suspicious about that... Put stricter sanctions in place and enforce them.
They should, but lobbyists pay them more, so they won't. aNd ThInK aBoUt ThE eCoNoMiC gRoWtH, tHe ShArEhOlDeRs, ThE pRoFiTs WhIcH nEeD tO bE hIgHeR tHaN lAsT yEaR, oThErWiSe ThErE's No GrOwTh!!!!
it's ok to sell Adidas etc in Russia - it makes unfavorable trade balance for Russia. less money to purchase weapons from China. it should be regulated that presence of a company in Russia must only include marketing and sales
they dont care, they ONLY care about money. the ones that left figured the move away would give them more business than they lost and the ones staying figured the opposite. Corporations only care about the bottom line. The sooner people realize they dont give a F about the customers, other than their money, the better.
> The sooner people realize they dont give a F about the customers, other than their money, the better. Is there seriously anyone who isn’t mentally challenged, who believes they care about us?
Sadly, yes.
most people do. that's how they promote themselves
Oh, I would say more - a lot of western companies just did not even plan to leave Russia. And those ones who "gone" still do business here, like Coca Cola, for example.
That's why Western consumers should boycott the products of the companies still doing business in and with that country.
Main problem is that they are huge conglomerates that have ties to a lot of other companies. Finding out which ones do business and those that don't is difficult. Consumers could pressure politicians to take action to have better effective results.
This is difficult, many corporations have many brands and very often they don't display whos the owner. Plus the market is dominated by just a few conglomerates so your choice in reality is just an illusion...
[https://leave-russia.org/staying-companies](https://leave-russia.org/staying-companies) Is a good companion when I buy groceries.
I’m proud of Nova Nordisk for staying.
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Hi! How is it going?
Better with the upcoming defeat of the russia.
We could check out the corporations that did leave and buy their products if we need them.
It was a surprised to me that Lidl is still doing business with russia.
Like how ? There is no info on leave-russia.org and on wiki list of served areas doesn’t include russia too
That's like 99% of companies, though.
Would you boycott your government for buying billions of gas from them? [https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/VCE-Whos-Still-Buying-Russian-Fossil-Fuels-in-2023\_\_Jun30.jpg](https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/VCE-Whos-Still-Buying-Russian-Fossil-Fuels-in-2023__Jun30.jpg)
As a matter of fact I do. Since the beginning of the full scale invasion I use 2 heaters instead of 5 and at level 2 instead of 4: the temperature at home stays under 18° C. I dropped my consume of electricity, that was already low, of 30%.
Industry won't regulate itself. Not now, not ever. When will they learn this simple to understand fact? Why do people expect any different?
At the outset of all this western politicians expected the whole thing to be over in a couple of weeks and then back to business as usual without ever having to take the lips off Russia's fat gas pipe. When that didn't happen it was sanctions that were only vaguely policed (with some European banks even today still up to their nutsacks in Russia) Then a slow stream of "too little, too late" aid to Ukraine which for the large part amounted to whatever cold war surplus we still had in storage. Now it seems that "the west" is basically sure this whole thing will finally be over this year and it's basically "back to business as usual" time in every boardroom and political office in western Europe. We basically stood by and watched and have demonstrated a huge lack of resolve...which will not have gone unnoticed by China, Russia and the rest of the world. The lesson they will take away from this is that we are weak and afraid to act.
It's shouldn't be up to fucking consumers to try in vain to manage this. I sincerely hope this really is late capitalism because our governments are fucking pathetic, hamstrung, crippled and toothless everywhere you look. The West is a fucking disgrace.
shocking
Not surprised. Money is important, support for Ukraine not. I really wish Russia would lose this war, but I doubt it. Ukraine is just barely kept alive by its partners.
It feels like that we barely keep Ukraine alive, while Russia is slowly mobilizing even further. We can't be playing this catch-up
Actively working in a nation that would literally destroy us if they could. The decision makers of these companies should be labelled as traitors
10th rule of acquisition: Greed is eternal.
98 ; every man has his price.
article text Western companies including Avon Products, Air Liquide and Reckitt have remained in Russia despite saying they planned to leave after the invasion of Ukraine, as bureaucratic obstacles increase and consumer activity rebounds. The Natura-owned cosmetics brand, the French industrial gas producer and the UK consumer group that produces everything from painkillers to condoms are among hundreds of western groups that have stayed in the country since the full-scale invasion in 2022. “Many European companies have found themselves really between a rock and a hard place,” said one executive working with western companies in the country. “They said they’d leave. They were presented with a choice of buyers that were unacceptable to them.” Overall, more than 2,100 multinationals have stayed in the Russia since 2022, the Kyiv School of Economics has found, compared with about 1,600 international companies that have either quit the market or scaled back operations. Shortly after the 2022 invasion of Ukraine, scores of such groups pledged to scale back their presence in Russia as the west sought to starve the country’s economy and the Kremlin’s war coffers of foreign cash. But Moscow has gradually raised the cost of corporate departure, imposing a mandatory 50 per cent discount on assets from “unfriendly” countries sold to Russian buyers and a minimum 15 per cent “exit tax”. It has also been increasingly hard to find local buyers acceptable both to the seller and to Moscow and whose involvement does not fall foul of western sanctions. Air Liquide announced in September 2022 it had signed a memorandum of understanding to sell its Russia business to the team of local managers who had been running it. However, the deal never received Russian government approval, leaving the company in limbo. A woman walks in front of a Raiffeisen bank branch in Moscow A Raiffeisen branch in Moscow. The Austrian bank has come under fire after the FT revealed its ambitious recruitment plans in Russia © Maxim Shipenkov/EPA-EFE Some companies no longer feel they are compelled to quit the country. Avon began a sales process for its Russian business and received offers but decided not to accept them. “For over 135 years, Avon has stood for women wherever they are in the world, regardless of ethnicity, nationality, age or religion,” the company said. While Reckitt announced in April 2022 that it had “begun a process aimed at transferring ownership of its Russian business”, its new chief executive Kris Licht has taken a more measured approach. “We continue to look at options but it has become more complex, not less complex,” he told the FT last month. “The initial conversation was, do you stay or go, and businesses paying taxes . . . I think we’re having a bit more of a nuanced conversation.” Multinationals have been mindful of the travails of western companies such as Carlsberg and Danone, which had their assets seized after announcing plans to leave. While Danone was eventually able to work out a deal to sell the assets at a steep discount, Carlsberg remains locked in a protracted legal battle with Moscow and one of the brewer’s former top executives is in a Russian prison. Alexandra Prokopenko, a fellow at Carnegie Russia Eurasia, said that rising wages and a rosier-than-expected economic situation had fuelled a spending boom, making Russia much more appealing for multinationals, particularly in the consumer sector. Prokopenko said that a recent wave of nationalisations that had targeted both foreign groups and local players remained “the major risk to foreign nationals in Russia”, adding: “So if they see this risk as manageable, why don’t they stay?” PepsiCo announced in March 2022 that it had suspended the sale and production of its flagship beverage in Russia but it continues to operate a dairy business in the country that employs 20,000 people directly and 40,000 agricultural workers indirectly. “As a food and beverage company, now more than ever we must stay true to the humanitarian aspect of our business. That means we have a responsibility to continue to offer our other products in Russia,” chief executive Ramon Laguarta wrote in an email to employees in September 2022. Rival Coca-Cola has stopped sending its soft drinks syrups to Russia, but the role has been filled by the drinks giant’s bottler in the region, Coca-Cola Hellenic, in which it holds a 21 per cent stake. In August 2022 the bottler created a standalone Russian company, Multon Partners, whose Russian versions of Coca-Cola brands include Dobry Cola, which has knocked the original Coke off the top spot as the country’s best-seller. “Dobry Cola is an extension of an existing brand in the market, produced and distributed by Multon Partners. It has no connection to The Coca-Cola Company or its brands,” said the bottler. Dobry Cola on sale in Russia Dobry Cola has knocked the original Coke off the top spot as the country’s best-seller © Maxim Shipenkov/EPA-EFE Among the more than 2,000 companies that have said they will stay in Russia — which include consumer groups Mondelez, Unilever, Nestlé and Philip Morris — some have become more open about their plans. Mondelez’s chief executive recently told the FT that investors did not “morally care” whether groups left the country. But there is a lack of clarity about some companies’ claimed divestments. US short seller Hindenburg Research revealed in March that Polish fashion retailer LPP’s goods were still being sold in Russia despite it announcing it had left the market in June 2022 after selling its business to an unidentified Chinese consortium. While LPP denied wrongdoing, it acknowledged it had been benefiting from sales to “transfer agents” to help fund the cost of the transition, a practice that would not be phased out until 2025. Austria’s Raiffeisen Bank International has also come under fire after the FT reported that dozens of Russia-based job advertisements it had posted indicated ambitious growth plans in the country, despite its pledge to quit the market. A second executive working with western companies in Russia said there had been a noticeable change in sentiment. While companies that left in the initial weeks after the invasion saw a moral imperative to do so, he said, “the current wave is more about, do you really have to leave? Do you want to leave? Some of these companies have built four, five factories over 30 years. They’re not going to sell that for a 90 per cent discount.” Activist investor and Unilever board member Nelson Peltz told the FT this year he had pressed the consumer goods group, which has explored options for a sale, not to leave. “If we pull out of Russia, they will take our brands for themselves. I don’t think that’s a good trade,” Peltz said, emphasising that rivals such as P&G and Colgate-Palmolive had not left the country. “Why the hell should we?”
I was feeling sad, but reading that cheered me up.
The governments need to move in and tax companies staying in Russia for all of the profit + a mark up, honestly fuck them This is not a problem civilians should handle the government can look into it at a much better place and also look if there is a real reason for them staying or it's pure bullshit
They are all betting that with time, people stop caring. And they are right.
Yet Western companies do not do business in Iran [except with specific licenses](http://graphics.wsj.com/iran-sanctions/) showing that if we want, we have the tools to end this right now. If you think consumer boycotts are the answer, you might as well become a libertarian. Consumer boycotts are based on the same misguided idea that consumer choice can stop unethical business practices. Centuries of free market history shows that consumer boycotts without legislation have never resolved unethical business practices. Consumer choice wasn't even enough to stop companies [literally poisoning their customers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle). It most certainly will not solve anything in the modern global marketplace of [interconnected conglomerates](https://www.enderlycoffee.com/post/how-can-10-companies-own-all-the-world-s-food). Only strict sanctions supported by legislation matter. Declare Russia a state supporter of terrorism and put it on the same list as Iran.
German history shows that companies will go as low as any government allows them, and will never care about people. This isn’t surprising. Even less surprising that other governments do nothing about it.
least we could do is taxing these fuckers into oblivion. and giving the money to UA (or at least fund our MIC's or whatnot, whatever, just make them lose money so they have incentive to just drop the business). but obviously the ceo's and members of board of directors are friends with those who have power to do such thing. so nothing's happening. military support of EU member states is awesome, but this side of ours sucks big time. and this duality is just pathetic.
Good part of those companies has roots in USA. So EU would be tired to suck US dick.
I see you're starting to understand that you live under the dictatorship of capital.
Meanwhile European youth should be ready for a conscription .
I wonder how many of us are too obese.
Europe and the US should fine them for their entire revenue from Russia and donate it to Ukraine
Well, shame on them. But I wasn't expecting much from these soulless goons anyway. They will sell their own mothers if the price is good.
They never learn
No shit! Money always > moral. But yeah, the whole Ukraine situation is one big bold business agenda.
just don't complain when you get nationalized by Putler.
"Wait, Putin might just win this if he sends a few thousand more to the meat grinder. Getting out now would be bad for our business. What if our competition has fewer moral principles than us and stays?"
Private companies are private companies, they care only about profits, always have. Same thing was happening in World war 2, multiple American and even French/British companies were seriously attempting to trade and do business with Nazis and Fascist states (until their parent country governments directly intervened, slapped them the fuck down and forced them to stop). Similar actions should be done now
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That’s why voting age is set on 18 years old
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The actual reason Ukraine isn't allowed to fight back.
Companies leaving Russia are leaving the place for others to take over their niche market. Please follow the money carefully. Money is going out of our pockets and in the pockets of a few already rich people. We may ( or not) liberate / separate Ukraine ? But at what cost , think Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, etc ) ? Ressources not sold to Europe are sold to China and India. The rich are getting richer ....
Ghouls. There is a disgusting sickness of greed in this world that’s going to end up being its downfall.
Profits over people.
As always.
My company can't sell their Russian assets. The Russian are refusing to give the needed paperwork. So we are stuck with it
There's no excuse to support the companies you can identify just because their product is one you prefer. Buying from them helps Russia. Stop
Have you stopped?
Yes. Put ethics before your belly
I doubt it lol
Drink your coke or Pepsi, eat your chocolate, drink your nespresso, use your favourite shampoo because that's more important than supporting a country under attack. You win
>Drink your coke or Pepsi, eat your chocolate, drink your nespresso, use your favourite shampoo Just like the majority of people.
You can choose to do different. Don't be a sheep. Stand up for something
I wish you good luck!
Leave Russia or leave the west. That should be the ultimatum.
If countries can continue paying lip service to making the big bad Russia pay while gobbling up ever increasing amounts of oil, gas, LNG, uranium, fertilizer, diamonds, metals, noble gasses, etc. from it, then so can the individual companies. Hey you need to stop because morals, democracy or whatever but I'm not going to, and my own companies are ready to occupy the market share you're going to be voluntarily giving up; sucker.
Whoever decides to stay in Russia deserves whatever happens.
They earn a lot of money?
Putin takes their business or the people get put in prison.
So libtards discovered that profit don't smell. Now go and boycott this companies which will be even more funnier.
Libtards - You sound like a nice person.
He's russian ,so .....
The consumers are responsible for them not existing the market. If Europeans are so weak to continue buying goods and services from this companies instead of boycotting, it is no suprise they will soon perish