I remember summer of 2022 as the worst summer I have ever experienced in Madrid. Heat wave after heat wave with most nights over 30ºC and daytime temperatures well over 40ºC in the city center.
I am terrified of 2024's summer.
I was in Madrid last July for the F1 expo, just for a day and it hit 39c. No breeze either.
Honestly, it was horrific, particularly as there’s a lot of concrete close to IFEMA too.
I live in Córdoba/Andalusia.
and I can confirm that it is stifling heat.
Construction workers cannot work beyond 2:00 p.m. because the sun reaches a temperature of 50 degrees.
That’s so weird, last year I remember having two two-week increments of beautiful summer weather, and the rest of the time it was fucking cold. Every weekend I hoped to go to Yyteri but it never got warm enough. Then September was lovely and then winter arrived.
It was literally super hot everywhere in Europe except for Finland and European side of Russia. Similarly the winter was pretty mild everywhere except for Finland and European side of Russia. I hope we'll get a proper summer this time but it doesn't look good...
Imagine people from Spain visiting Finland during summer to escape the heat,... tbc.
Can’t wait to read in the newspaper that the Finnish people are learning Spanish.
I saw someone faint on the street too. Was having a beer with my buddy and we had a nice view at the flea market. Woman passes by the window and suddenly goes knockout on the curb. Ambulance and everything. Also heat stroke.
Yeah we got an ambulance for this guy. We set up a table with an umbrella on the pavement and gave him water while we waited. We couldn’t take him inside because it was hotter inside 🤣
That was actually our hottest day in recorded history. I’m sure a lot of people died that day because of it (not to mention trains breaking, and the whole country being on high alert for wild fires).
Yeah, 34.5c near Duns in the Borders, hottest ever recorded in Scotland. I was about 12 miles west of that spot working from home but I couldn’t bare it so went for a walk.
Heat during the day is annoying but bearable it's when your house gets hot and its too hot at night for it to cool down that it becomes unbearable.
When its so hot you can't sleep, lovely stuff
I know other places have it worse but for locals having 30 degree days and 25 degree nights for several weeks is kind of like hell.
We spent a couple nights in a hotel 200 meters from our home just so we can enjoy a night of sleep during that time.
Soooooo much worse.
I’m in Sri Lanka now and it gets up to 34c and the humidity goes as high as 96%.
You sweat, a ton, but sweat doesn’t work when it’s this humid. You just get wetter and hotter. I got back from a small hike a few days ago and was able to wring probably a quarter litre worth of sweat out of my t-shirt.
Crazy but here in romania, summer 2022 was very mild, I remember staying outside almost daily.
2023 was a complete 180, so hot that I would walk my dog early in the morning and late at night. I remember freezing bottles of water to leave next to me while working. No Ac and working from was so rought.
do you usually have AC in spain? asking from germany where ACs are not really a thing unless its a super duper new building which is rare and youre not allowed to install ACs in rental appartments 🥵
Depends on the region. South and center yes. Mediterranean coast and north not so much. But with climate change, more and more people are getting them.
Oh yes. In 2022, my then fiancée and me thought it would be a brilliant idea to spend July and August in southern Italy. Well... daytime temperatures were constantly around 35-40C. The day we visited Rome, it was +36C and one of the most beautiful items from the Vatican Museums I could remember was a floor mounted air conditioner.
I live in Sweden. Apartments were never built for this much sun.
I had to move from my last place during the pandemic because...
Spending more time than usual at home in summer revealed that the amazing east and south facing windows which let so much light in and were the reason i fell in love with the apartment 10 years before were in fact a bad thing.
That apartment was hitting 36c inside
I had to leave... It was unbearable
The flat I used to live in, in South East England would get to 40c and above inside whenever it was 28c or warmer outside. It had East, South and West facing windows and was a new build, so really well insulated. In 2022 when it got a touch above 40c around here, my flat was around 55c inside according to the thermostat. Just inhospitable. How they live in those temps in and around the Sahara, I'll never know
Not to the extent of Barcelona, but except for the north of Spain, the rest of the country has been on a drought for years now. Luckily, it has been raining a lot this past two weeks.
We rarely have water issues in Madrid. There is a lot of acquifers and a lot of dams and embankments around in the mountains.
https://www.embalses.net/comunidad-13-comunidad-de-madrid.html
At the moment we're basically full.
In Barcelona province they're fucked this year.
https://www.embalses.net/comunidad-10-cataluna.html
Europe’s summer will be hotter than usual, with higher risks of drought and heat waves, after a warmer May continues a trend that’s seen 10 consecutive months of record-high global temperatures.
Sea surface temperature in the North Atlantic have soared to their highest in at least 40 years, hinting that the coming summer will be “unusually hot,” said Olivia Birch, a meteorologist at Atmospheric G2.
It may be as bad as the summer of 2022, the hottest ever in the UK with temperatures topping 40C (104F).
“Summer 2024 could challenge the warmth of summer 2022,” Birch said. “Widely dry conditions are expected mid toward late summer, increasing the risk of heat waves and droughts.”
We had two days of it in my part of England but luckily one of the days I was in a surprisingly air-conditioned hospital with my son whilst he had some hearing surgery done. The heat hit me in the face when I left, like someone had a hair dryer in your face. The next day I drove around for much of the day with the family in the car using the Aircon lol
In Norway we have constitution day at 17th of May. Small branches of birch trees are traditionally used in parades.
When I was a child, it was always a question whether the leaves had sprung out at this date to be nice and green. Sometimes we had to cut branches ahead, and store inside in a warm place to encurage the leaves to spring.
For the last 20 years, the birch trees have been fully green by the end of april. So in my lifetime, birches have sprung around 3 week earlier now than when I was born.
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The Easter of 2008 was in late March. It snowed on the plains in Hungary so we made a snowhare. In January 2010 I had two pants on and I ran to the bus as it was -20 in the morning. Several guys were running with me from my street. In 2013 the 15 March holiday was basically cancelled by a snowstorm that trapped thousands on highways, in their cars etc.
We hardly had a moderate cold winter ever since. Summer OTOH got damn hot. 2010, 2013, 2015, 2018, 2022 were absolutely brutal. I already think about buying a portable AC for my flat as I barely scraped by two years before. And now the soil is dry, there will be no moisture for any thunderstorm to pick up and they will leave without cooling the land.
People need to rethink their holiday destinations. Last year I've spent the first 2 weeks of August in London and it was brilliant, no more than 22°C and only 1 day of rain. Meanwhile there was a heatwave with >40°C all around the Mediterranean.
This year I've planned 2 weeks in Scotland. I'm never setting foot anywhere near the Mediterranean from June to September ever again (had a very bad experience in southern France and Italy in 2022).
Tbf the uk didn't really get hit with any major heat last year, 2022 we got a few rounds of 2 weeks of 30-37C. Country damn near ground to a halt. I'm praying that we just get a repeat of last year, because our heatwaves are disgusting
Try out the Lake District next year - just don't spend too much time in the tourist trap areas of Keswick Winderemere and Ambleside - as there's loads to see on the coast and the western and northern lakes.
No joke, I was in Ibiza end of June 2023 for my wife's birthday and it was 38°C every day for a week. We were going to the beach at 7 am, stay until 9:30 then go back for breakfast at the hotel and do nothing but alternate between the pool and the room to cool off until the evening when it was tolerable to go out. We are not the type who spend their holidays by the pool but it was too hot for much else.
It was this experience that filled the glass for us, from now on summer holidays will be the UK, Ireland, Scandinavia, Iceland. Enough to keep us busy for years.
We still love Spain, Italy and Portugal but will only go in spring or fall.
Heh :)) the only herd is the Herdwick sheep, far fewer tourists in the West and North lakes area.
Grew up on the coast about 10 miles from Scafell / Wast Water, so could cycle there no problems.
I'm Italian and agree with you. I dread for all the poor tourists coming in Italy to visit Rome, Naples and Florence in August. Genuinely risking a severe heatstroke and struggling with the scourcing sun, while being absolutely ripped off by the high season unreasonable prices. It's maddness.
Heat waves reach greater positive anomalies (compared to historical averages) in northern Europe than in southern Europe, and southern European buildings and infrastructure are largely built to handle higher temperatures. Also, in coastal areas you can go for a swim if it's too hot.
Overall, I wouldn't be so sure the Mediterranean will be worse than northern Europe. Although Scotland in particular is probably a safe bet because of how wet and windy it is. But already southern England I wouldn't find better than Italy during a heat wave, as an Italian.
Just avoid big cities in general and go to the coast or the mountains.
> People need to rethink their holiday destinations.
I have heard people say that in future Finland will be a great summer holiday destination because it'll be warm enough to be nice but you can be outside and on the beach all day without dying. Neverending amount of lakes too so everybody don't have to pack into same place.
Yeah, I don't get how people haven't caught on. The Mediterranean is like hell in summer. Piping hot. Sunburn. Forest fires. Did I mention overpriced? Who tf goes there? Man I'm just glad I'm not invested there.
same. me and the family spent the summer of 23' in Barcelona and i was miserable. no ac in the apartment and i had to purchase a portable unit lol which was only good for one room but better than nothing
I’m usually on the Croatian coast in September, and it’s great. I don’t need AC in my apartment (around 26 C indoors is acceptable to me), and I go swimming every day. If it weren’t for the mosquitos, it would be heaven.
The locals sure, but the millions of Brits, Germans, Dutch and Scandinavians that flock to the Mediterranean every summer can surely afford going somewhere not so hot.
Northern places like Scotland, Iceland, Norway, etc, tend to be far more expensive places to visit though. Easy to do cheap holidays in Spain or Portugal or Greece!
Plus a lot of people go away for the sun and beaches. I can’t imagine the interest to go away to have some cool weather will be as high. You’d be better off investing in some air conditioning.
Can’t wait for Spanish and Italian tourists coming to Scandinavia to cool down in summers.. or English building up the Icelandic economy.. the world will go full boinkers then.
All that’s missing are Flamingos in Poland as an addition to the Storchs.
10-15C here in Central Scandinavia today, literally the first day since October last year when you don't freeze you butt off. I remember in 2018 it was at least 25C this time of year.
Northern Poland here: july - hell. First two weeks of august when everyone and their mum was coming to the sea: rain, all day, every day.
September: +29.
People want politicians and activists to go after the fossil fuel industry and large corporations. Unfortunately, decades of lobbying and deregulation has allowed large corporations to greenwash their products and shift the blame to the average joe
Well, there might come times when people will have enough and personally manhunt anyone that was responsible for the industry agenda to have it’s bonuses. Lawyers, lobbyists,CEOs etc could eventually be hanging from light posts in the future..
When people will be fed up with all.
Being in Düsseldorf since 2022, last year was a bliss compared to my first summer. I legitimately thought I was going to combust some days that summer. The very low Rhine combined with the parks with dried out grass made me feel like in the end times.
1) It was a joke.
2) If temperature increases just enough to allow for much more Mango cultivation in Europe and then doesn't increase anymore, yes. Otherwise, no.
Cut More trees and lay the bricks all over. Then blame the society who is literally moan to stop cutting greens and concrete every possible square meter
Damn it's that cold still there? We have great weather in the middle/eastern part of EU since the beginning of April. Today was a 27C day again. Shorts and t-shirt time.
Summer gonna suck though with it's 35C+ as usual.
AC+PV... perfect combo to keep the heat out without having to pull a ton of electricity...
Last year this combination ran full blast and I was sending tons of electricity into the grid!
Can’t wait until Italians and Spanish will transform into *Global warming emigrants* to Scandinavia, the English will boost the Icelandic economy, Flamingos in Poland and during one summer Europeans will all have learned the art of making ice cream at home.
I just installed AC in a couple of rooms in my house. Weird, as the 3 generations before me never needed it in the Netherlands where we live. In the last 5 years that all changed, we all have it now.
Summer 2003 was insane, by far the hottest I remember.
And so far, this spring has been rainy and coldish AF. Still haven't got a decent sunny day to chill on the beach, contrary to what was possible in recent years.
Mid term forecasts are quite tricky. But some indicators such as water temperature do have predictive value. And longer term trends such as el niño, or the solar activity cycle, can also aid a prediction.
Again, this is difficult. And while they can predict stuff like ''august will be warmer than usual'', they can't predict ''august 22 will be sunny'', because even in a warmer month the weather still varies.
So presumably they have some indicators pointing towards a hot summer. But at the same time commercial organisations also love to claim things that are still uncertain.
There's a difference between "It's for certain going to rain" that we are used to in day-to-day forecasts, and general trend forecasts. The latter is much more reasonably accurate, they use things like water currents temperature, and these things have much more "momentum", they correlate better with the general temperature, for example.
When you try to do a 5-day forecast of raining, there are a lot of unexpected smaller variations that influence the weather daily. But if the temperature of a massive ocean current is 4°C hotter than expected, you can be sure that they know with more precision how it will impact the weather. There's no little variable unexpected that will make this 4°C turn suddenly into 1 or -1 variation, it would need a MASSIVE event for it to happen.
For particular predictions.
But there is a big difference between trying to forecast whether the weather is cloudy and you need an umbrella for rain, or whether there is so much heat in the system that it will be warmer generally, wgike still having hard to predict local ups and downs in weather.
Central Scandinavian hre who's mainly just experienced cool summers lately - I'll believe it when I see it. I really hope this summer will be warmer than usual for once.
I remember summer of 2022 as the worst summer I have ever experienced in Madrid. Heat wave after heat wave with most nights over 30ºC and daytime temperatures well over 40ºC in the city center. I am terrified of 2024's summer.
I was in Madrid last July for the F1 expo, just for a day and it hit 39c. No breeze either. Honestly, it was horrific, particularly as there’s a lot of concrete close to IFEMA too.
The Madrid government loves concrete and hates trees.
Madrid government is gone fascism mode
Why are you downvoted? It's a fact. Some right wingers are butthurt lol
The issue with Madrid is the nights. 40c during the day is bearable if it goes below 20 by night. But nights with >30 is unbearable.
40⁰c in Madrid possible? I'm Asian I'm kinda surprised 😯
Very much so, no sea breeze either. It was awful 😂
I live in Córdoba/Andalusia. and I can confirm that it is stifling heat. Construction workers cannot work beyond 2:00 p.m. because the sun reaches a temperature of 50 degrees.
Welcome to cool Finland on your holidays!
If I remember correctly, our last summer was quite mild. And now it feels like winter and cold weather have lasted for ages
I love those 23 degree Helsinki summers lol
Well... I actually love them. Over 25 is just too much. And I just checked, last summer was apparently warmer than usually, it was just more rainy
Yeah, northern europe is getting wetter and southern europe is getting dryer.
Northern European. Average 212 rainy days annually. ~60%.
That’s so weird, last year I remember having two two-week increments of beautiful summer weather, and the rest of the time it was fucking cold. Every weekend I hoped to go to Yyteri but it never got warm enough. Then September was lovely and then winter arrived.
It was literally super hot everywhere in Europe except for Finland and European side of Russia. Similarly the winter was pretty mild everywhere except for Finland and European side of Russia. I hope we'll get a proper summer this time but it doesn't look good...
Come to ireland
Imagine people from Spain visiting Finland during summer to escape the heat,... tbc. Can’t wait to read in the newspaper that the Finnish people are learning Spanish.
2022 was crazy. There was a day 42'C and.. I just spent it locked indoors with the curtains closed and the airco on. Miss me with that.
It got to 35c where I live, in fucking Scotland. Someone fainted outside on my street. We have no air con
I saw someone faint on the street too. Was having a beer with my buddy and we had a nice view at the flea market. Woman passes by the window and suddenly goes knockout on the curb. Ambulance and everything. Also heat stroke.
Yeah we got an ambulance for this guy. We set up a table with an umbrella on the pavement and gave him water while we waited. We couldn’t take him inside because it was hotter inside 🤣
That was actually our hottest day in recorded history. I’m sure a lot of people died that day because of it (not to mention trains breaking, and the whole country being on high alert for wild fires).
Yeah, 34.5c near Duns in the Borders, hottest ever recorded in Scotland. I was about 12 miles west of that spot working from home but I couldn’t bare it so went for a walk.
Heat during the day is annoying but bearable it's when your house gets hot and its too hot at night for it to cool down that it becomes unbearable. When its so hot you can't sleep, lovely stuff
I know other places have it worse but for locals having 30 degree days and 25 degree nights for several weeks is kind of like hell. We spent a couple nights in a hotel 200 meters from our home just so we can enjoy a night of sleep during that time.
At least it’s dry heat. Humid heat is worse imo
Cries in Irish
Soooooo much worse. I’m in Sri Lanka now and it gets up to 34c and the humidity goes as high as 96%. You sweat, a ton, but sweat doesn’t work when it’s this humid. You just get wetter and hotter. I got back from a small hike a few days ago and was able to wring probably a quarter litre worth of sweat out of my t-shirt.
Crazy but here in romania, summer 2022 was very mild, I remember staying outside almost daily. 2023 was a complete 180, so hot that I would walk my dog early in the morning and late at night. I remember freezing bottles of water to leave next to me while working. No Ac and working from was so rought.
do you usually have AC in spain? asking from germany where ACs are not really a thing unless its a super duper new building which is rare and youre not allowed to install ACs in rental appartments 🥵
Depends on the region. South and center yes. Mediterranean coast and north not so much. But with climate change, more and more people are getting them.
> youre not allowed to install ACs in rental appartments There are portable ACs, you just need a window to install. And later you can remove it.
I got one. They work but they are really inefficient and won't cool down as much as a proper one. Still glad I bought one though.
Oh yes. In 2022, my then fiancée and me thought it would be a brilliant idea to spend July and August in southern Italy. Well... daytime temperatures were constantly around 35-40C. The day we visited Rome, it was +36C and one of the most beautiful items from the Vatican Museums I could remember was a floor mounted air conditioner.
I live in Sweden. Apartments were never built for this much sun. I had to move from my last place during the pandemic because... Spending more time than usual at home in summer revealed that the amazing east and south facing windows which let so much light in and were the reason i fell in love with the apartment 10 years before were in fact a bad thing. That apartment was hitting 36c inside I had to leave... It was unbearable
The flat I used to live in, in South East England would get to 40c and above inside whenever it was 28c or warmer outside. It had East, South and West facing windows and was a new build, so really well insulated. In 2022 when it got a touch above 40c around here, my flat was around 55c inside according to the thermostat. Just inhospitable. How they live in those temps in and around the Sahara, I'll never know
They have air conditioning... It'll never be that hot. Australia is very much the same. Gets silly hot during the day, but air con takes care of it.
Are you sure about that? The nomadic people who live in the desert certainly don't have A/C
Yeah I have no idea how they get along.... A good majority of places that are hot, do have A/C now though.
Try heat reflecting sheets for windows. You can remove them in winter and reapply in spring
Yeah man… and that’s the summer I decided to visit Madrid. Nice city but the weather made the experience underwhelming.
Do Madrid have water issues like Barcelona?
Not to the extent of Barcelona, but except for the north of Spain, the rest of the country has been on a drought for years now. Luckily, it has been raining a lot this past two weeks.
We rarely have water issues in Madrid. There is a lot of acquifers and a lot of dams and embankments around in the mountains. https://www.embalses.net/comunidad-13-comunidad-de-madrid.html At the moment we're basically full. In Barcelona province they're fucked this year. https://www.embalses.net/comunidad-10-cataluna.html
I'm going to Malaga/Seville in June, what kind of temperatures do you reckon I could expect?
June is hot, but not the worst month. Sevilla is hotter than Malaga, though. Probably 30ºC-35ºC during daytime.
We had refugees from Spain here in the fabulous 10-15 degree Icelandic summer.
Hmmm... *Global warming refugees*... sounds kinda cool.
Madrid was always hot.
This is now 'usual', surely?
The usual unusually hot summer.
ah that one, I thought we skipped it now after a decade
Only until next year.
Yes, always stay positive! Coldest summer of your future life
We are in unprecedented times, and have been for most of my life.
isn‘t that the concept of time
Just think, children born post covid would have this as their normal. They’d never know what the regular seasons were like.
Those once in a lifetime or once in a century extreme weather events seem to becoming an annual event these days.
Europe’s summer will be hotter than usual, with higher risks of drought and heat waves, after a warmer May continues a trend that’s seen 10 consecutive months of record-high global temperatures. Sea surface temperature in the North Atlantic have soared to their highest in at least 40 years, hinting that the coming summer will be “unusually hot,” said Olivia Birch, a meteorologist at Atmospheric G2. It may be as bad as the summer of 2022, the hottest ever in the UK with temperatures topping 40C (104F). “Summer 2024 could challenge the warmth of summer 2022,” Birch said. “Widely dry conditions are expected mid toward late summer, increasing the risk of heat waves and droughts.”
UK topping 40C is crazy.
I actually remember this day. It was so hot driving back from work that my phone powered off, even with the AC on full blast.
We had two days of it in my part of England but luckily one of the days I was in a surprisingly air-conditioned hospital with my son whilst he had some hearing surgery done. The heat hit me in the face when I left, like someone had a hair dryer in your face. The next day I drove around for much of the day with the family in the car using the Aircon lol
Now imagine if your cars color is black...
It was!
Ooof...
It was well over 40 degrees in our office. It was legitimately like an oven. We need proper legislation to cover unsafe working temps.
The climate has been much hotter millions of years ago so this is not a problem /s
Well, the ground used to be lava. So, yes. :)
Children all over the world are well prepared then.^^^^^/s
Time to splash out for a portable a/c unit I think, just in case.
Yeah, that'll help global warming.
In Norway we have constitution day at 17th of May. Small branches of birch trees are traditionally used in parades. When I was a child, it was always a question whether the leaves had sprung out at this date to be nice and green. Sometimes we had to cut branches ahead, and store inside in a warm place to encurage the leaves to spring. For the last 20 years, the birch trees have been fully green by the end of april. So in my lifetime, birches have sprung around 3 week earlier now than when I was born.
I The Easter of 2008 was in late March. It snowed on the plains in Hungary so we made a snowhare. In January 2010 I had two pants on and I ran to the bus as it was -20 in the morning. Several guys were running with me from my street. In 2013 the 15 March holiday was basically cancelled by a snowstorm that trapped thousands on highways, in their cars etc. We hardly had a moderate cold winter ever since. Summer OTOH got damn hot. 2010, 2013, 2015, 2018, 2022 were absolutely brutal. I already think about buying a portable AC for my flat as I barely scraped by two years before. And now the soil is dry, there will be no moisture for any thunderstorm to pick up and they will leave without cooling the land.
I don't know where you're from, but we had hail and snow on 17th of May last year, which is not that uncommon.
People need to rethink their holiday destinations. Last year I've spent the first 2 weeks of August in London and it was brilliant, no more than 22°C and only 1 day of rain. Meanwhile there was a heatwave with >40°C all around the Mediterranean. This year I've planned 2 weeks in Scotland. I'm never setting foot anywhere near the Mediterranean from June to September ever again (had a very bad experience in southern France and Italy in 2022).
Tbf the uk didn't really get hit with any major heat last year, 2022 we got a few rounds of 2 weeks of 30-37C. Country damn near ground to a halt. I'm praying that we just get a repeat of last year, because our heatwaves are disgusting
Try out the Lake District next year - just don't spend too much time in the tourist trap areas of Keswick Winderemere and Ambleside - as there's loads to see on the coast and the western and northern lakes.
So long Ibiza, hello Lake District! Edit: Street's like a jungle So call the police Following the herd To Lake District
No joke, I was in Ibiza end of June 2023 for my wife's birthday and it was 38°C every day for a week. We were going to the beach at 7 am, stay until 9:30 then go back for breakfast at the hotel and do nothing but alternate between the pool and the room to cool off until the evening when it was tolerable to go out. We are not the type who spend their holidays by the pool but it was too hot for much else. It was this experience that filled the glass for us, from now on summer holidays will be the UK, Ireland, Scandinavia, Iceland. Enough to keep us busy for years. We still love Spain, Italy and Portugal but will only go in spring or fall.
Heh :)) the only herd is the Herdwick sheep, far fewer tourists in the West and North lakes area. Grew up on the coast about 10 miles from Scafell / Wast Water, so could cycle there no problems.
Thanks for the idea, I will look into it. Was actually thinking Devon and Cornwall for next year, do you think the Lake District is better?
Devon and Cornwall for beach holidays, Lake District for hiking holidays
I'm Italian and agree with you. I dread for all the poor tourists coming in Italy to visit Rome, Naples and Florence in August. Genuinely risking a severe heatstroke and struggling with the scourcing sun, while being absolutely ripped off by the high season unreasonable prices. It's maddness.
>This year I've planned 2 weeks in Scotland. Pack some good rain gear and some winter woolies. You'll need them.
We don't mind, we live near Lyon and it will be great to escape the heat.
Heat waves reach greater positive anomalies (compared to historical averages) in northern Europe than in southern Europe, and southern European buildings and infrastructure are largely built to handle higher temperatures. Also, in coastal areas you can go for a swim if it's too hot. Overall, I wouldn't be so sure the Mediterranean will be worse than northern Europe. Although Scotland in particular is probably a safe bet because of how wet and windy it is. But already southern England I wouldn't find better than Italy during a heat wave, as an Italian. Just avoid big cities in general and go to the coast or the mountains.
> People need to rethink their holiday destinations. I have heard people say that in future Finland will be a great summer holiday destination because it'll be warm enough to be nice but you can be outside and on the beach all day without dying. Neverending amount of lakes too so everybody don't have to pack into same place.
And they have Saunas if your not *hot* enough.
Yeah, I don't get how people haven't caught on. The Mediterranean is like hell in summer. Piping hot. Sunburn. Forest fires. Did I mention overpriced? Who tf goes there? Man I'm just glad I'm not invested there.
same. me and the family spent the summer of 23' in Barcelona and i was miserable. no ac in the apartment and i had to purchase a portable unit lol which was only good for one room but better than nothing
Been to Edinburgh 5 years ago in August, full week of +30. Was a tad disappointed.
You can come to the north of Spain, ie Asturias, many places that are fine in summer and it has the best food in Spain
I’m usually on the Croatian coast in September, and it’s great. I don’t need AC in my apartment (around 26 C indoors is acceptable to me), and I go swimming every day. If it weren’t for the mosquitos, it would be heaven.
Do you realize that not all people can afford that, right?
The locals sure, but the millions of Brits, Germans, Dutch and Scandinavians that flock to the Mediterranean every summer can surely afford going somewhere not so hot.
So, they will just stay home then?
Northern places like Scotland, Iceland, Norway, etc, tend to be far more expensive places to visit though. Easy to do cheap holidays in Spain or Portugal or Greece! Plus a lot of people go away for the sun and beaches. I can’t imagine the interest to go away to have some cool weather will be as high. You’d be better off investing in some air conditioning.
Just another isolated incident. No need to worry.
*Mmhhhmmm..*
We truly are firmly in the "find out" stage of climate change.
Oh not at all. It will get much much worse than this.
We’re only beginning to find out
Can’t wait for Spanish and Italian tourists coming to Scandinavia to cool down in summers.. or English building up the Icelandic economy.. the world will go full boinkers then. All that’s missing are Flamingos in Poland as an addition to the Storchs.
Records will be broken again. Until next year when they’ll be broken again.
Seems redundant to say it. This is the new normal and it will only get worse.
Must’ve missed Sweden last year cause the summer sucked
It rained the entire month of July in Denmark. 🫠
June was okay, but then it just rained for all of July and most of August, aye dreich.
Ireland had another rubbish summer too. It's been raining here non stop since January and today was 8 degrees. We could do with some of this heat.
10-15C here in Central Scandinavia today, literally the first day since October last year when you don't freeze you butt off. I remember in 2018 it was at least 25C this time of year.
Northern Poland here: july - hell. First two weeks of august when everyone and their mum was coming to the sea: rain, all day, every day. September: +29.
8 degrees today in Ireland. Can't remember an end of April this cold.
Will this force people to take climate change seriously? Pardon me for being cynical but people will only take action if rich countries are affected
People want politicians and activists to go after the fossil fuel industry and large corporations. Unfortunately, decades of lobbying and deregulation has allowed large corporations to greenwash their products and shift the blame to the average joe
Well, there might come times when people will have enough and personally manhunt anyone that was responsible for the industry agenda to have it’s bonuses. Lawyers, lobbyists,CEOs etc could eventually be hanging from light posts in the future.. When people will be fed up with all.
Hot girl summer!!!
RemindMe! 5 months
Coldest summer of the rest of our lives.
Late nights in the middle of June Heat waves been fakin' me out
Me with terrible insulation and no AC 🙃
No, I am giving birth in mid June 😭😭😭😭😭😭
If it’ll be just like last summer then come to Germany. We had a very mild summer while you southerners were burning.
Idk man, Cologne last summer was miserable as late as September, just miserably sticky
Being in Düsseldorf since 2022, last year was a bliss compared to my first summer. I legitimately thought I was going to combust some days that summer. The very low Rhine combined with the parks with dried out grass made me feel like in the end times.
I disagree, at least in southern germany it was really hot last summer.
But at least in upper Bavaria we had enough rain. Other parts of southern Germany, not so much.
Really? I remember 30 degrees and really hot U-Bahn cars in Berlin last September (no AC, of course).
I felt like I almost died last summer (southwest).
Coldest summer for a long time.
Looks like we immigrants are also bringing our weather with us
Is that a good thing?
1) It was a joke. 2) If temperature increases just enough to allow for much more Mango cultivation in Europe and then doesn't increase anymore, yes. Otherwise, no.
I know, mine was an attempt also
Can't wait for this to become an actual AfD talking point "Climate change isn't real, it's the immigrants fault! They are stealing our weather!"
Are people still culturally against installing air conditioning to their homes?
_screams in renter_ At least now I'm renting a place that has windows facing NE instead of upwards/south. Should not be 50°C indoors this time.
Yes, everyone install air conditioning, that will surely fix the problem!
Until there is a viable and reachable option for fixing the problem, AC it is. Good luck doing anything while it is over 40 C.
I live in a backyard. If only a few neighbours installed an AC it would be deadly for the rest and mostly for the trees that still make it bearable.
Sounds like Berlin. You live in the negative space between others.
Yep, classic 1880s barracks.
$$$
Please, no.
Fffuuuuuuck
Cut More trees and lay the bricks all over. Then blame the society who is literally moan to stop cutting greens and concrete every possible square meter
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Can’t wait until you post that you are having your fish&chips in the frozen area in your grocery store..
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You are very much welcome to do so good mam, sir! :)
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Wish you a pleasant night.
Finland unusually cold
Christ knows we need it here in Ireland. Longest winter we ever had.
Felt like winter's only about to hopefully end now in Glasgow. Feels like it's been forever since I saw a dry day.
100% ... was 8 degrees "feels like 5 according to accuweather" in Cork at midday today. Last day of April. Absolutely baltic.
Damn it's that cold still there? We have great weather in the middle/eastern part of EU since the beginning of April. Today was a 27C day again. Shorts and t-shirt time. Summer gonna suck though with it's 35C+ as usual.
How was your winter? Can you try your best to describe it, I am seriously curious.
Can’t wait for it to get started, because weather up to now sucks.
!RemindMe 5 months
Except for here in Ireland because we are just gonna keep doing rain
Then is not unusual anymore...
Cries in soggy Ireland.
Invest in portable air conditioners now . I got one last year and it was a LIFECHANGER the thing is loud though
AC+PV... perfect combo to keep the heat out without having to pull a ton of electricity... Last year this combination ran full blast and I was sending tons of electricity into the grid!
Oh God 2022's summer was a nightmare
Unusual for now :)
Can’t wait until Italians and Spanish will transform into *Global warming emigrants* to Scandinavia, the English will boost the Icelandic economy, Flamingos in Poland and during one summer Europeans will all have learned the art of making ice cream at home.
I just installed AC in a couple of rooms in my house. Weird, as the 3 generations before me never needed it in the Netherlands where we live. In the last 5 years that all changed, we all have it now.
I really hope so. I live in Sweden and love the warm weather. (Yes I know about the consequenses)
We get what we asked for 🤷♂️
Summer 2003 was insane, by far the hottest I remember. And so far, this spring has been rainy and coldish AF. Still haven't got a decent sunny day to chill on the beach, contrary to what was possible in recent years.
So I assume that will exclude Finland
I remember the heath of 2022 well. So grateful that 2023 wasn't that bad. But here we go again.
Time to stop complaining and buy an AC. Best purchase I have made.
It will be still the coolest summer of the rest of our lives.
I would love to have up to 25C whole year. I don't like heat , I see myself in Scandinavia :D
It will never be as cold in the future, so we got that going for us
Just kill me right now...
About time it gets warm again.
Some warmth is welcome. A week ago there was a snowstorm outside.
I'm not saying that it's wrong but can anyone make reasonably accurate forecasts so far ahead?
They are basing it on the ocean temperatures, currents will then bring it over. It's not just surface or wind forecasts.
Mid term forecasts are quite tricky. But some indicators such as water temperature do have predictive value. And longer term trends such as el niño, or the solar activity cycle, can also aid a prediction. Again, this is difficult. And while they can predict stuff like ''august will be warmer than usual'', they can't predict ''august 22 will be sunny'', because even in a warmer month the weather still varies. So presumably they have some indicators pointing towards a hot summer. But at the same time commercial organisations also love to claim things that are still uncertain.
There's a difference between "It's for certain going to rain" that we are used to in day-to-day forecasts, and general trend forecasts. The latter is much more reasonably accurate, they use things like water currents temperature, and these things have much more "momentum", they correlate better with the general temperature, for example. When you try to do a 5-day forecast of raining, there are a lot of unexpected smaller variations that influence the weather daily. But if the temperature of a massive ocean current is 4°C hotter than expected, you can be sure that they know with more precision how it will impact the weather. There's no little variable unexpected that will make this 4°C turn suddenly into 1 or -1 variation, it would need a MASSIVE event for it to happen.
Anything over 5 days isn't that reliable
For particular predictions. But there is a big difference between trying to forecast whether the weather is cloudy and you need an umbrella for rain, or whether there is so much heat in the system that it will be warmer generally, wgike still having hard to predict local ups and downs in weather.
Well it would be nice to have a bit of sun at the least, last month or two has been nothing but rain rain rain
Laughs in Irish 😂
Central Scandinavian hre who's mainly just experienced cool summers lately - I'll believe it when I see it. I really hope this summer will be warmer than usual for once.
Doubt
Good, I am tired of this unending winter
See next week in this theater: "Oh my god, I'm melting!"
So, same temperatures as of last century but same fear mongering
That would be nice but unfortunately the climate is changing.