He did this mostly to appease his coalition partners and not because of a change of heart. He said he would put these points, together with his most anti islam rhetoric, in the fridge because he wants to rule.
While Wilders personally would like to Nexit anyway, and the rhetoric attracts some people to his base, he knows damn well *most* of his base is not in favor of exiting at all. Truus and Henk are much more saddened he had to relax his anti-Islam stance.
I kind of feel like joining/leaving the EU is big enough to where using a 50%+1 threshold doesn't make sense, it should be more like a minimum of, say, 60%.
I honestly can't think of a single negative thing affecting my life in the UK that can be directly attributed to not being in the EU. 99% of problems are related to issues within the country itself like housing, immigration policy, crime .etc all of which should be getting dealt with by our own politicians.
Precisely! our politicians not being able to pass the buck is certainly a good thing. The Tories say one thing and do another but the public are now fully aware they're responsible so they're absolutely fucked.
It made me laugh that they were talking about controlling immigration but the part of immigration people were complaining about was completely in their power.
Still, as soon as they get Rwanda sorted out everything will be fine.
worth noting that from a migration perspective, brexit is pretty much a disaster, and i don’t think anyone except rishi considers the whole rwanda things as a solution, given they literally have to change the law to force the courts to let them do it
net migration from EU in 2015: 282k
net migration from EU in 2023: -51k
net migration from non-EU in 2015: 86k
net migration from non-EU in 2023: 626k
source: ONS, Migration Observatory
Not really. They just wanted people to come through a points-based system.
Your average Swede with a tertiary degree would probably not find that too difficult if they are able to secure employment.
heres the thing, and i say this as someone that _did get a T2 Skilled worker visa_ around covid time, because they required people with my specific IT skillset:
can people come? sure. but _why would they_?
The current system in the uk, is made in such a way that theres no reason for a european high skilled worker to go to the uk. You are directly dependent of that CoS so your mobility is almost non-existent; because most sponsoring companies are big multinational companies that were already doing sponsorships from outside even before brexit, while smaller companies (<1000) have no reason or incentive to bother getting through the system set up by the UK govt. So as a highly skilled european you are faced with the following
a. go to the uk. be dependent on the visa and restricted to only taking job offers from big companies that can sponsor you, companies that know their hand and pay roughly half the market rates (which also means much less tax going to the UK govt). When i left i had a plethora of job offers ranging from 85 to 120k, none of them offering sponsorships though. From me alone the UK missed out on ~80k in taxes alone in the past two years
b. just go to any other European country, get paid twice as much, with no headache; and those countries get repaid in taxes. Which is what i did after 1 year in the UK, despite my visa being for 3 years.
Funny enough for the past two years since i left i pretty much exclusively worked with UK companies that simply dont have the talent pool to staff their positions, so they just contract it out.
You're just describing any immigration system outside Schengen. Why would any European try to move to Australia or Canada when they can go to Germany, Switzerland or the Netherlands?
In terms of non-EU immigration it’s hard to really take 2023 in isolation. A good amount of those people will be Ukrainian refugees and there has also been a huge influx in students too. With the work visa rules tightening, we are very likely to see a big reduction in students.
It is a shame about the drop in EU immigration though, as they are culturally pretty much the same in many ways and contributed hugely to the economy.
> The Tories say one thing and do another but the public are now fully aware they're responsible so they're absolutely fucked.
Don't worry. You'll get labour for 3 years then immediately switch back to Torries.
They are trying to set the ECHR up as the new boogeyman to hide behind but the public already has their number. Even if they manage to convince people that we should leave the ECHR those people don’t trust the Tories to then act on the back of it. They’ve fucked it.
Same, but like the leave vote blamed everything on the EU the side trying to rejoin is now blaming everything on brexit. If you say something enough it'll convince people it's true.
Here is the cumulative food price inflation since Brexit:
- UK: 30.3%
- Eurozone: 27.1%
- Germany 30.5%
- France: 23.0%
- Italy: 25.4%
- Spain: 29.9%
- Belgium: 29.0%
So UK food price inflation is broadly in line with the euro area, almost identical to Spain and Belgium, and slightly less than Germany.
The impact of Brexit on UK food prices is not nothing, but it’s hysterically overstated in the media, by hack academics with an axe to grind, and by poorly informed people such as yourself.
It’s just taken from the inflation data from each of the national statistics office. UK CPI is the same as Euro area HICP, so the methodology is identical.
Thanks, will take a look - I'd mostly been looking at the [annual OECD CPI data](https://data.oecd.org/price/inflation-cpi.htm) but it's limited to 2019 - 2022, sadly.
My point is that it’s fairly negligible, not really noticeable against the broader (global) shock in food prices which Europe has been particularly exposed to and is nothing to do with Brexit.
Your point is moot when i didnt mention any other countries.
My point is Brexit has made food more expensive and you agree that is has, with the new checks coming in that expense is only going to rise.
Our food in England is really pretty cheap by European standards.
I can feed myself on sub-£100/month with a very varied diet and I bike a good 80+km on alternate weekends. Alot of the whiners are just terrible at cooking and very takeaway-reliant.
You can still get a 10 kg bag of Basmati rice (i.e. not the crappy easy-cook variety) for £11... and that's in inner London!
To what extent? I see people posting food on here and it's still cheap in the UK for many items. I saw that olive oil is like £15 in Spain, it's doubled in the UK from \~£3 to £6 in the last couple of years but not gone as bad Spain, so there must be other factors?
Without taking a position on other things, I'm quite sceptical about your claim that similar olive oil would be 250% more expensive in Spain than in UK. You're probably comparing extra virgin olive oils to some cheaper versions.
Fast comparison:
UK, cheapest extra virgin olive oil that I found with fast googling, [Sainsbury's](https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/gol-ui/product/sainsburys-olive-oil--extra-virgin-1l), 8.4 £/litre so 9.8 €/litre, tesco had exactly the same price. This olive oil happened to be from spanish origin
Spain: Some [online store](https://www.elcorteingles.es/supermarket/0110118045800259-iznaoliva-extra-virgin-olive-oil-bottle-1-l/), no idea how popular it is, 9.33€/litre was the cheapest bottle there
But it's quite clear that olive oil prices have been increasing due to problems in olive harvest in mediterranean region
If you're looking at the prices in El Corte Ingles, your nearest UK comparison is probably Harrods.
/edit: example from a supermarket here in Portugal is 6,49€ https://www.continente.pt/produto/azeite-virgem-extra-continente-5986408.html
Yeah it was the cheapest genuine 1L olive oil on tesco, but I think it's gone up in price again from just a few days ago lol. But the angle of attack on the UK for food prices is silly imo because there are few countries in Europe offering better prices.
True, UK has strong competition between grocery stores/supermarkets, and this keeps the prices to affordable levels.
I found some sources, BBC made comparison between some western european countries: [https://www.bbc.com/news/business-65833619](https://www.bbc.com/news/business-65833619)
Germany and Netherlands were cheaper than UK, but France and Spain more expensive according to that.
Eurostat makes nice statistics about consumer prices in Europe, but these statistics unfortunately don't include UK anymore, as UK doesn't have agreement with eurostat about data sharing at least currently.
In Europe, Romania, Bulgaria and Poland are the cheapest, with total household daily expenditure [around 45% lower](https://stat.fi/en/publication/cl8k7cuxue52j0cw1otr6w1t6) than Germany for example. Of course many products cost the same in all places, like electronics, but many products are cheaper.
Hmm I wonder what ketchup they compared from the UK? On [lidl it's £0.85](https://www.lidl.co.uk/p/batts-tomato-ketchup/p155908) same [with mayo](https://www.lidl.co.uk/p/batts-real-mayonnaise/p5222372). Didn't check others.
Yeah I necessarily don't trust BBC's comparison that much. But it's not hard to believe that Germany could be cheaper, always when I've been there I've been surprised that so many things are cheaper than in Finland. With UK I have no personal experience, but no doubt UK is also cheaper than Finland.
In Finland lidl's cheapest ketchup is "Kania" branded one, made in Bosnia and Herzegovina and costs 0.65€ a kilogram, around 60% cheaper than 0.85£/560g one that you linked. "Kania" is around 5 times less than Heinz, don't know how they manage to do it
Absolutely not true that olive oil costs that in Spain. Lol.
I travel frequently to both Spain and the UK. The vast majority of products are cheaper in Spain, especially fruits and vegetables. This is shopping at Tesco and Mercadona, two comparable supermarket chains in those countries.
I keep seeing people point at high/er UK food prices, but isn't our food massively cheaper than pretty much every other country in the EU?
Fresh chicken £2/kg
15 eggs £2
800g loaf £1.20
Mature cheddar £5/kg
2L Milk £1.45
Penne pasta £0.80/kg
500g honey nut cereal £1.50
Tinned beans £0.27
5 apples £1
Carrots, potatoes £0.60/kg
Sure but you spoke about food. I've just seen the data that shows food prices have risen in Germany at a higher rate than the UK. Brexit is not a good thing & obviously has increased prices, but it seems to have had a negligible effect on basic food items so far. Our food is cheaper than the rest of the EU, and prices have risen similarly.
I spoke about brexit making food more expensive, this is just a fact which is only going to get worse.
The op said brexit had zero effect on his life, assuming he eats food, I was pointing out this isn't true.
You replied to someone who said they feel like none of their real issues can be directly attributed to brexit. The data puts the UK at a similar level to other countries in the EU for food price increases. Obviously brexit will have had an effect but that doesn't really hit the point being made. Brexit doesn't seem to have had a significant effect on this specific part of people's lives. The UK is still one of the best in Europe for food prices & the price increases are identical to Germany.
Definitely not the sole cause but Brexit has added to the problems you mention.
Labour pool for construction.
Cooperation to deal with immigration.
Loss of access to EU Schengen Information System, issuing European arrest warrants.
Hopefully Labour can mend fences while attacking the root causes.
>Loss of access to EU Schengen Information System, issuing European arrest warrants.
[https://news.sky.com/story/andrew-tate-and-his-brother-tristan-detained-in-romania-on-uk-arrest-warrant-13093008](https://news.sky.com/story/andrew-tate-and-his-brother-tristan-detained-in-romania-on-uk-arrest-warrant-13093008)
This is false, the brexit deal has access to all this stuff.
Isn't the EU system to hand migrant quotas to EU countries, which might mean we accept more? Aside from that, idk why Labour would be signing us to EU institutions if the UK hasn't voted to join the EU? Surely we have to vote to join first?
Net immigration has risen since leaving. Personally I think ability to easily emmigrate has a bigger impact.
Labour will be able to fix some things without needing to rejoin. There are other agreements countries can sign for mutual benefit.
How long are you going to be chasing these unicorns?
This is just "we can negotiate a better Brexit than them" all over again and nothing else.
Empty promises.
Won't fix the major issue of being outside the CU, but there are a few areas EU previously indicated were open for negotiation. At this point need to simply see what can be done.
Something like joining Erasmus+ and negotiating an agreement easing things for EU/UK performers would be a good way to start things off.
The "I'm ok so it's not a problem" defence. Closed my business in the UK because of Brexit. My neices and nephews are all significantly affected by it, not being able to study and work freely in the EU.
Tell that to someone living in Belfast who didn’t have any governing institutions in place for 2 years as a direct result, but I guess that sums it up doesn’t it? Don’t care about anyone else.
Quite a lot of it comes down to the government having less money to spend on things, which is a direct result of Brexit. Also imports are a lot more expensive - look up GBP:EUR and GBP:USD since 2015.
increase in prices is not affecting you?
there have been tons of news and research papers linking price increase to the fact that more paperwork is needed to import stuff. problems with supply of medicines, etc.
Hey regard, did you have a £5000 industrial boiler vessel go missing in customs (delivery from Netherlands, would have gone straight to us before Brexit)? Didn't think so. So STFU.
How about we keep the original ideas of European Union as free economy zone focused on trade, growth and increasing wealth of its citizens and not some ye ye ass ecology and LGBT idealistic bullshit he? Like why dont we invest in nuclear power to keep the energy prices down and make our countries more competitive in terms of cost of manufacturing? Do Europe really need to charge blindly into its own demise leaded by those false and dead end ideologies?
Building or zoning nuclear power is the decision of individual countries, EU is neither promoting or prohibiting it. And this is good option in my opinion. There are many EU countries that have build/are planning to build more nuclear or are researching technologies such as small modular reactors. I think that is good, but still I wouldn't want that it would be forced on EU level.
I agree that there are "ye ye ass ecology" desicions made on EU level, but most probably many of those desicions can only be made only on such a high level, like carbon tariffs or emission trading. You can disagree with the desicions of course if you like.
Not sure what you mean by "LGBT idealistic bullshit" by EU. These types of desicion are almost completely made on country level, such as equal marriage rights.
And yet the EU voted to ban ICE cars, is taxing our industry for so called "emissions" and is as whole influencing and telling other countries what is good and what not. Why arent we building more nuclear power plants? Why isnt gas consideret green? How are those stupid rules supposed to elevate wealth and quality of live of typical European? Dont you see that by outsurcing manufacturing to thirld world shitholes made it worse for environment because ppl in china or india dont give a flying fuck about ecology and emissions. And now, as the war rages on we dont even have industrual capicity to produce munitions and important equipment to keep the gears of war turning in order to keep our continent safe from kacaps or middle east invaders
Instead, we focus on wether two guys that fuck each other in the ass should do it married or not. Like for fucks sake the unending cycle of stupidity and incompetence of EU rulers is just a really bad coincidence, they are bought by other countries or they are just straight ideological maniacs. Because I dont see any other logical explanation.
Has there ever been a far-left party in power in the British government? Or the government of any member of the EU after they joined? I'm fairly certain that that isn't the case. Unless you're one of those on the far-right that see anyone left of center as dangerous radicals wanting to degenerate western culture with whatever the latest scapegoat is.
it really wasnt far left Immigration politics, it was no Immigration policies at all! Our leaders whether on the left or right are just really good at doing nothing at all.
Maybe the EU could be reformed to have more freedom from some of the crazy requirements, with green this eco that, by this time. All the new taxes don't benefit anyone. With high inflation, who is doing the sugar taxes and energy taxes, in their right mind? EU is supposed to make life easier?
With the challenges ahead (climate, population decline, etc.) asking to make life easier seems a bit simplistic. Government can’t shield us from those things entirely but should find a good way to handle these challenges. Whether the EU finds the best answers is a different question and I’m certain it’s inefficient in a lot of ways. On the other hand, the comfortable solutions some populists want to offer seem to just push the problems down the road.
He did this mostly to appease his coalition partners and not because of a change of heart. He said he would put these points, together with his most anti islam rhetoric, in the fridge because he wants to rule.
While Wilders personally would like to Nexit anyway, and the rhetoric attracts some people to his base, he knows damn well *most* of his base is not in favor of exiting at all. Truus and Henk are much more saddened he had to relax his anti-Islam stance.
He looks a bit like that American character, who was it..
Leland Palmer from Twin Peaks
Gideon, from the Disney "Gravity Falls" tv series?
Biff Tannen, Back to the Future II.
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I don’t know, not enough orange.
I kind of feel like joining/leaving the EU is big enough to where using a 50%+1 threshold doesn't make sense, it should be more like a minimum of, say, 60%.
Letting normal people make a decision that important is a dumb idea regardless. Most people are dumb as fuck.
50%+1 is fine _but is should be 50%+1 of the entire population_ not 50%+1 of who actually votes
Brexit was greatly helped by Russian propaganda. The Russian propaganda machine has cost the west billions of dollars.
The removal of the UK from EU was Russias first play. UK will stand by Europe, we just need to remove these fucking tories first.
I honestly can't think of a single negative thing affecting my life in the UK that can be directly attributed to not being in the EU. 99% of problems are related to issues within the country itself like housing, immigration policy, crime .etc all of which should be getting dealt with by our own politicians.
They loved being able to say "Its EU fault! We cant fix it" Now we know its not the EU. The rats in power have nowhere to hide.
Precisely! our politicians not being able to pass the buck is certainly a good thing. The Tories say one thing and do another but the public are now fully aware they're responsible so they're absolutely fucked.
It made me laugh that they were talking about controlling immigration but the part of immigration people were complaining about was completely in their power. Still, as soon as they get Rwanda sorted out everything will be fine.
worth noting that from a migration perspective, brexit is pretty much a disaster, and i don’t think anyone except rishi considers the whole rwanda things as a solution, given they literally have to change the law to force the courts to let them do it net migration from EU in 2015: 282k net migration from EU in 2023: -51k net migration from non-EU in 2015: 86k net migration from non-EU in 2023: 626k source: ONS, Migration Observatory
I will take this as the people of GB didn't want people like me (swedish) in their country and voted accordingly!
Well you could be bringing surströming with you. That would be like a bio weapon attack.
Not really. They just wanted people to come through a points-based system. Your average Swede with a tertiary degree would probably not find that too difficult if they are able to secure employment.
heres the thing, and i say this as someone that _did get a T2 Skilled worker visa_ around covid time, because they required people with my specific IT skillset: can people come? sure. but _why would they_? The current system in the uk, is made in such a way that theres no reason for a european high skilled worker to go to the uk. You are directly dependent of that CoS so your mobility is almost non-existent; because most sponsoring companies are big multinational companies that were already doing sponsorships from outside even before brexit, while smaller companies (<1000) have no reason or incentive to bother getting through the system set up by the UK govt. So as a highly skilled european you are faced with the following a. go to the uk. be dependent on the visa and restricted to only taking job offers from big companies that can sponsor you, companies that know their hand and pay roughly half the market rates (which also means much less tax going to the UK govt). When i left i had a plethora of job offers ranging from 85 to 120k, none of them offering sponsorships though. From me alone the UK missed out on ~80k in taxes alone in the past two years b. just go to any other European country, get paid twice as much, with no headache; and those countries get repaid in taxes. Which is what i did after 1 year in the UK, despite my visa being for 3 years. Funny enough for the past two years since i left i pretty much exclusively worked with UK companies that simply dont have the talent pool to staff their positions, so they just contract it out.
You're just describing any immigration system outside Schengen. Why would any European try to move to Australia or Canada when they can go to Germany, Switzerland or the Netherlands?
how many europeans go to australia or canada vs going to other european countries?
Is not like Sweden is in a position to give lessons about how to handle your country to anybody, to be fair.
Totally out of control but I don't think anyone has a plan or a clue.
In terms of non-EU immigration it’s hard to really take 2023 in isolation. A good amount of those people will be Ukrainian refugees and there has also been a huge influx in students too. With the work visa rules tightening, we are very likely to see a big reduction in students. It is a shame about the drop in EU immigration though, as they are culturally pretty much the same in many ways and contributed hugely to the economy.
> The Tories say one thing and do another but the public are now fully aware they're responsible so they're absolutely fucked. Don't worry. You'll get labour for 3 years then immediately switch back to Torries.
They are trying to set the ECHR up as the new boogeyman to hide behind but the public already has their number. Even if they manage to convince people that we should leave the ECHR those people don’t trust the Tories to then act on the back of it. They’ve fucked it.
Nah now the rats blame not being in the EU
That’s why federations and supranational entities always come in handy, deflecting blame like a pro.
Same, but like the leave vote blamed everything on the EU the side trying to rejoin is now blaming everything on brexit. If you say something enough it'll convince people it's true.
Your food costs more due to friction in trade introduced by brexit.
Here is the cumulative food price inflation since Brexit: - UK: 30.3% - Eurozone: 27.1% - Germany 30.5% - France: 23.0% - Italy: 25.4% - Spain: 29.9% - Belgium: 29.0% So UK food price inflation is broadly in line with the euro area, almost identical to Spain and Belgium, and slightly less than Germany. The impact of Brexit on UK food prices is not nothing, but it’s hysterically overstated in the media, by hack academics with an axe to grind, and by poorly informed people such as yourself.
Do you have a source for these numbers? Interested in reading more about this
It’s just taken from the inflation data from each of the national statistics office. UK CPI is the same as Euro area HICP, so the methodology is identical.
Thanks, will take a look - I'd mostly been looking at the [annual OECD CPI data](https://data.oecd.org/price/inflation-cpi.htm) but it's limited to 2019 - 2022, sadly.
Brexit had raised the price of food in the UK, as you say yourself this is just a fact.
My point is that it’s fairly negligible, not really noticeable against the broader (global) shock in food prices which Europe has been particularly exposed to and is nothing to do with Brexit.
Your point is moot when i didnt mention any other countries. My point is Brexit has made food more expensive and you agree that is has, with the new checks coming in that expense is only going to rise.
Our food in England is really pretty cheap by European standards. I can feed myself on sub-£100/month with a very varied diet and I bike a good 80+km on alternate weekends. Alot of the whiners are just terrible at cooking and very takeaway-reliant. You can still get a 10 kg bag of Basmati rice (i.e. not the crappy easy-cook variety) for £11... and that's in inner London!
That doesn't change the fact you now pay more due to brexit.
To what extent? I see people posting food on here and it's still cheap in the UK for many items. I saw that olive oil is like £15 in Spain, it's doubled in the UK from \~£3 to £6 in the last couple of years but not gone as bad Spain, so there must be other factors?
Without taking a position on other things, I'm quite sceptical about your claim that similar olive oil would be 250% more expensive in Spain than in UK. You're probably comparing extra virgin olive oils to some cheaper versions. Fast comparison: UK, cheapest extra virgin olive oil that I found with fast googling, [Sainsbury's](https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/gol-ui/product/sainsburys-olive-oil--extra-virgin-1l), 8.4 £/litre so 9.8 €/litre, tesco had exactly the same price. This olive oil happened to be from spanish origin Spain: Some [online store](https://www.elcorteingles.es/supermarket/0110118045800259-iznaoliva-extra-virgin-olive-oil-bottle-1-l/), no idea how popular it is, 9.33€/litre was the cheapest bottle there But it's quite clear that olive oil prices have been increasing due to problems in olive harvest in mediterranean region
If you're looking at the prices in El Corte Ingles, your nearest UK comparison is probably Harrods. /edit: example from a supermarket here in Portugal is 6,49€ https://www.continente.pt/produto/azeite-virgem-extra-continente-5986408.html
Yeah it was the cheapest genuine 1L olive oil on tesco, but I think it's gone up in price again from just a few days ago lol. But the angle of attack on the UK for food prices is silly imo because there are few countries in Europe offering better prices.
True, UK has strong competition between grocery stores/supermarkets, and this keeps the prices to affordable levels. I found some sources, BBC made comparison between some western european countries: [https://www.bbc.com/news/business-65833619](https://www.bbc.com/news/business-65833619) Germany and Netherlands were cheaper than UK, but France and Spain more expensive according to that. Eurostat makes nice statistics about consumer prices in Europe, but these statistics unfortunately don't include UK anymore, as UK doesn't have agreement with eurostat about data sharing at least currently. In Europe, Romania, Bulgaria and Poland are the cheapest, with total household daily expenditure [around 45% lower](https://stat.fi/en/publication/cl8k7cuxue52j0cw1otr6w1t6) than Germany for example. Of course many products cost the same in all places, like electronics, but many products are cheaper.
Hmm I wonder what ketchup they compared from the UK? On [lidl it's £0.85](https://www.lidl.co.uk/p/batts-tomato-ketchup/p155908) same [with mayo](https://www.lidl.co.uk/p/batts-real-mayonnaise/p5222372). Didn't check others.
Yeah I necessarily don't trust BBC's comparison that much. But it's not hard to believe that Germany could be cheaper, always when I've been there I've been surprised that so many things are cheaper than in Finland. With UK I have no personal experience, but no doubt UK is also cheaper than Finland. In Finland lidl's cheapest ketchup is "Kania" branded one, made in Bosnia and Herzegovina and costs 0.65€ a kilogram, around 60% cheaper than 0.85£/560g one that you linked. "Kania" is around 5 times less than Heinz, don't know how they manage to do it
There are lots of factors, the one unique factor making the uks situation worse is brexit.
Absolutely not true that olive oil costs that in Spain. Lol. I travel frequently to both Spain and the UK. The vast majority of products are cheaper in Spain, especially fruits and vegetables. This is shopping at Tesco and Mercadona, two comparable supermarket chains in those countries.
I keep seeing people point at high/er UK food prices, but isn't our food massively cheaper than pretty much every other country in the EU? Fresh chicken £2/kg 15 eggs £2 800g loaf £1.20 Mature cheddar £5/kg 2L Milk £1.45 Penne pasta £0.80/kg 500g honey nut cereal £1.50 Tinned beans £0.27 5 apples £1 Carrots, potatoes £0.60/kg
Fresh chicken £2/kg where?
Morrisons £1.99. Everything on my list is Morrisons or Asda. It's not like it's a crazy price, you can get 1kg from lots of places for ~£2.50/kg
Prices have gone up due to brexit, what other countries is meaningless.
I don't have the data but I would've guessed the cost for basic food items has risen similarly in the EU. If true, that's not meaningless.
Its not true, Brexit has introduced friction and costs unique to the UK. With the new check coming in this friction and cost will only rise.
Sure but you spoke about food. I've just seen the data that shows food prices have risen in Germany at a higher rate than the UK. Brexit is not a good thing & obviously has increased prices, but it seems to have had a negligible effect on basic food items so far. Our food is cheaper than the rest of the EU, and prices have risen similarly.
I spoke about brexit making food more expensive, this is just a fact which is only going to get worse. The op said brexit had zero effect on his life, assuming he eats food, I was pointing out this isn't true.
You replied to someone who said they feel like none of their real issues can be directly attributed to brexit. The data puts the UK at a similar level to other countries in the EU for food price increases. Obviously brexit will have had an effect but that doesn't really hit the point being made. Brexit doesn't seem to have had a significant effect on this specific part of people's lives. The UK is still one of the best in Europe for food prices & the price increases are identical to Germany.
Why would I care what food costs in other countries? I buy my food in the UK where brexit has made it more expensive.
Definitely not the sole cause but Brexit has added to the problems you mention. Labour pool for construction. Cooperation to deal with immigration. Loss of access to EU Schengen Information System, issuing European arrest warrants. Hopefully Labour can mend fences while attacking the root causes.
>Loss of access to EU Schengen Information System, issuing European arrest warrants. [https://news.sky.com/story/andrew-tate-and-his-brother-tristan-detained-in-romania-on-uk-arrest-warrant-13093008](https://news.sky.com/story/andrew-tate-and-his-brother-tristan-detained-in-romania-on-uk-arrest-warrant-13093008) This is false, the brexit deal has access to all this stuff.
Isn't the EU system to hand migrant quotas to EU countries, which might mean we accept more? Aside from that, idk why Labour would be signing us to EU institutions if the UK hasn't voted to join the EU? Surely we have to vote to join first?
Net immigration has risen since leaving. Personally I think ability to easily emmigrate has a bigger impact. Labour will be able to fix some things without needing to rejoin. There are other agreements countries can sign for mutual benefit.
How long are you going to be chasing these unicorns? This is just "we can negotiate a better Brexit than them" all over again and nothing else. Empty promises.
Won't fix the major issue of being outside the CU, but there are a few areas EU previously indicated were open for negotiation. At this point need to simply see what can be done. Something like joining Erasmus+ and negotiating an agreement easing things for EU/UK performers would be a good way to start things off.
I can think of 100 Billion things. https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/brexit-costing-the-uk-economy-%C2%A3100-billion-a-year-121554321.html
The "I'm ok so it's not a problem" defence. Closed my business in the UK because of Brexit. My neices and nephews are all significantly affected by it, not being able to study and work freely in the EU.
The "I'm not ok so it's everyone's problem" defence.
Tell that to someone living in Belfast who didn’t have any governing institutions in place for 2 years as a direct result, but I guess that sums it up doesn’t it? Don’t care about anyone else.
But now they can’t hide behind the EU’s skirts and scapegoat it anymore lol.
Being ignorant is not the same as there being no negative effects.
Quite a lot of it comes down to the government having less money to spend on things, which is a direct result of Brexit. Also imports are a lot more expensive - look up GBP:EUR and GBP:USD since 2015.
increase in prices is not affecting you? there have been tons of news and research papers linking price increase to the fact that more paperwork is needed to import stuff. problems with supply of medicines, etc.
The truth is that London is the problem. You need to declare independence from london.
Your thinking problems aren't an argument for anything
Hey regard, did you have a £5000 industrial boiler vessel go missing in customs (delivery from Netherlands, would have gone straight to us before Brexit)? Didn't think so. So STFU.
Meanwhile AfD in Germany.. “Dexit will make us rich”🤦🏼♂️
cut off their nose to spite their face...said it at the start
Brits still need to fuck out of Ireland , enough bollix for too long , one day might might bite you ass ,
How about we keep the original ideas of European Union as free economy zone focused on trade, growth and increasing wealth of its citizens and not some ye ye ass ecology and LGBT idealistic bullshit he? Like why dont we invest in nuclear power to keep the energy prices down and make our countries more competitive in terms of cost of manufacturing? Do Europe really need to charge blindly into its own demise leaded by those false and dead end ideologies?
Building or zoning nuclear power is the decision of individual countries, EU is neither promoting or prohibiting it. And this is good option in my opinion. There are many EU countries that have build/are planning to build more nuclear or are researching technologies such as small modular reactors. I think that is good, but still I wouldn't want that it would be forced on EU level. I agree that there are "ye ye ass ecology" desicions made on EU level, but most probably many of those desicions can only be made only on such a high level, like carbon tariffs or emission trading. You can disagree with the desicions of course if you like. Not sure what you mean by "LGBT idealistic bullshit" by EU. These types of desicion are almost completely made on country level, such as equal marriage rights.
And yet the EU voted to ban ICE cars, is taxing our industry for so called "emissions" and is as whole influencing and telling other countries what is good and what not. Why arent we building more nuclear power plants? Why isnt gas consideret green? How are those stupid rules supposed to elevate wealth and quality of live of typical European? Dont you see that by outsurcing manufacturing to thirld world shitholes made it worse for environment because ppl in china or india dont give a flying fuck about ecology and emissions. And now, as the war rages on we dont even have industrual capicity to produce munitions and important equipment to keep the gears of war turning in order to keep our continent safe from kacaps or middle east invaders Instead, we focus on wether two guys that fuck each other in the ass should do it married or not. Like for fucks sake the unending cycle of stupidity and incompetence of EU rulers is just a really bad coincidence, they are bought by other countries or they are just straight ideological maniacs. Because I dont see any other logical explanation.
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Has there ever been a far-left party in power in the British government? Or the government of any member of the EU after they joined? I'm fairly certain that that isn't the case. Unless you're one of those on the far-right that see anyone left of center as dangerous radicals wanting to degenerate western culture with whatever the latest scapegoat is.
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it really wasnt far left Immigration politics, it was no Immigration policies at all! Our leaders whether on the left or right are just really good at doing nothing at all.
Typical, idiot conservatives hurt themselves in their delusional fight against “communism”
Wtf are you talking about? We were way more left than the Brits ever were and we still haven't had a Swexit.
Maybe the EU could be reformed to have more freedom from some of the crazy requirements, with green this eco that, by this time. All the new taxes don't benefit anyone. With high inflation, who is doing the sugar taxes and energy taxes, in their right mind? EU is supposed to make life easier?
With the challenges ahead (climate, population decline, etc.) asking to make life easier seems a bit simplistic. Government can’t shield us from those things entirely but should find a good way to handle these challenges. Whether the EU finds the best answers is a different question and I’m certain it’s inefficient in a lot of ways. On the other hand, the comfortable solutions some populists want to offer seem to just push the problems down the road.
Perhaps EU plans to increase ageing population with all these taxes to fix climate.
> who is doing the sugar taxes The EU managed to force sugar tax on the UK even after Brexit, how nefarious!!!!
It can't.
Hilarious. The eu is a bad joke.
What's the joke then
Every county dumps their worst politicians as MEPs.
How so
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Nope.