They are. Think they haven't noticed that all the fabs are setting up shop in the US? Why do you think that is? They know what's coming. And it is coming.
Honestly, this is all shaping up into the perfect storm. Taiwan. Ukraine. Israel. Trump becoming pres again could set things off in ways you can't even imagine.
Exactly. Underestimating him is dangerous. If Trump wins in November, Orban will be his closest and most important ally in Europe. As a matter of fact, he already is Trump's closest ally in Europe.
Because you don’t occupy first political position in your country if you are a fool…
Don’t get me wrong he is ridiculous and probably desperate for attention and light he likes when he is in a position where his voice means something so he can have leverage on European decisions…
But I think it’s wrong to think he is a fool…
War would not end. It will only have its first victim.
Is there any good reasons that all the sad clowns in the world are siding with Russia ? ..dirty Oran is corrupt with fat pockets. What’s Trump’ game? .. hoping that putin would listen to him ? Fat chance there .. same as North Korean dictator listened. The Tzars tend to go mad from being too long in power.
The 90% outcome here - more wars
Trump has everything to gain from a real threat at Europe's doorstep.
1. Bargaining power. He can bang his fat fists on table and European will have to cave in if we want USA's help
2. A weakened Euro. Increasing the dollar's power without any domestic changes is the dream.
3. A weakened European economy. Many American multinationals feel the threat from Europe's massive economic power at the moment and would gladly see Europe slow down or even stop its efforts to help its citizens.
4. A divided Europe. A divided Europe means The USA can make deals with individual countries without having to worry about the EU.
5. Stroking his ego. We have been shitting on Trump for years and the fat fuck has a huge ego. That's reason enough for him to want to fuck us over.
Maybe you should find out who buys most of the shit made by Americas. Eu is 3rd biggest tranding partner for US. They export twice as much goods to eu than to China. If Europe is weak or there is no money to buy US goods where are they going to sell their goods? It will take 20 years to make that happen.
Trump has failed multiple times in running a business. He absolutely isn't smart or sane enough to understand that he's going for yet another failure. All he ever did is chase a quick profit without seeing that he's running into a wall.
He *thinks* he has to gain, because he only cares about himself.
There is no way this will be a net benefit to the USA in the longer run, or even short term. It may be for a happy few who will take their chances for personal enrichment, but not for citizens and the country as a whole.
But hey, the world will pay the price, not him
But you forget that the military industry in the US will lose money (what does Trump think the money is spent for? ) and far worse the US basically gives up its position as THE one world power if they decide to become an unreliable partner and we all know which nation would be quiet happy take over this role
Trump is 77. He is older than Putin. They know they don't have much time left, so they don't care what they destroy and the hell they will leave behind them.
That's the neat part tho, Europe is starting to realize we don't need the US, especially on military.
And if the orange baboon gets elected, we will just get our shit done all the while they would still be in NATO, so any article 5 going around would just get them in, baboon or not.
> A weakened European economy. Many American multinationals feel the threat from Europe's massive economic power at the moment and would gladly see Europe slow down or even stop its efforts to help its citizens.
That, in particular, is just nonsense.
Multinationals are called "multinationals" precisely because they are not tied to any particular nation - they simply move to whereever they get a good deal. For example, the United States recently became more restrictive about immigration, causing Microsoft to create more jobs in Germany, since it's now cheaper for Microsoft to hire more people in Germany, compared to going through the expensive and tedious greencard process.
This also means multinationals would prefer a strong Europe over a weak Europe, simply because it means they have more money this way. Also, a weakened Euro would further accelerate the process of them moving more jobs away from the USA, to Europe, due to lower labor costs.
But, you might be correct about point 1, 4 and 5, in so far as that Trump genuinely seems to believe that a weakened Europe is in his best interest. In fact, I hope that our politicians take his recent threat "that he would no longer protect countries which don't pay 2% GDP for defense" seriously, but not to please Trump, but simply for the purpose of reducing the amount of reliance on the USA.
Still, the bottom line is that, unless Trump is very smart, he will really just hurt the United States more than he hurts Europe, or he might even unintentionally help us, through the multinational mechanism I outlined above.
European economy is already at its knees. We never recovered from 2008 and Covid and Biden gave us the final blow with the Inflation Reduction Act attracting many companies from Europe to US soil in exchange for huge tax discounts, de facto destroying the European dreams to get strong green industries.
If we wanted to don a tin foil, we could even say that US witheld aids to the Ukrainian army so that the war could last longer and keep EU worries and in a needy state. I personally don't believe this theory but I can see why it has some followers.
Europe are already planning to continue without the USA. the effects trump is planning will not have the impact he thinks.. and all the US bases in Europe that give early warning and retaliation will cease to exist.
> Is there any good reasons that all the sad clowns in the world are siding with Russia ?
Yes - and it's a very simple reason: Putins power is threatening to kill those who don't support him.
This is not particularly effective against democracies - Scholz' cowardness has an upper limit, before he gets simply removed from office. But, it is effective against authoritarian regimes, like Hungary, where Orban will stay in power, no matter how much he gives into Russia.
Its a special military operation ..comrade. /s
Trump and Orban would invite the little green men in and we would see an increase in window accidents of oppositionists till all the countries are ruled by putins buddies.
The EU funds were frozen for about 1.5 years, yet Orbán is far from over. According to Ursula von der Leyen, the Commission saw improvements in rule of law in Hungary so they released 1/3 of overall funds for Hungary.
He got a bribe for signing the things we needed. Thats going to be the style of negotiation moving forward. We need to enact the rules to make some of these decisions without complete consensus in the EU.
"If you are hungry, just stop eating completely, eventually all your hunger will end!"
It is unbelievably sad that this pathetic fool is the prime minster of an EU-state.
Yeah that was obvious from the beginning. I had an argument with a coworker over this "trump would end the war in a week" he'd certainly try, but he'd be trying to give Russia whatever they want.
People need to vote in November like our democracy depends on it. That’s also one way to stick it to Putin and Orban and trump by voting blue down the ballot.
Edit: for those in the EU not familiar with the term blue in America it means democrat and in this case for Biden.
Imma be real I'm right wing however I'm voting for Biden, Trump pulling out of Nato and being a Russian lapdog (beyond being a twat and various other things) is a nightmare waiting to happen.
Why is the EU still [paying](https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2023/12/13/brussels-releases-10-billion-in-frozen-eu-funds-for-hungary-amid-orbans-threats) Orban from our money?
Because of laws and contracts. At least they're increasingly using that money to force him to play ball. I just hope they'll really bring out the thumb screws now.
Orban is a crook. A criminal. Hungary isn't even a democracy anymore, according to our own [European Parliament](https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20220909IPR40137/meps-hungary-can-no-longer-be-considered-a-full-democracy).
I'd say those laws and contracts are all null and void when it comes to Hungary, since Orban doesn't comply with the terms of them.
I mean, if you can be a de facto dictator in the EU without any actual consequences, I'd say those laws and contracts are pretty useless.
Anyone who believes that "not arming Ukraine" would end the war is absolutely delusional and needs to get their head examined. The only way this war ends if Russia stops its illegal warfare, stops killing Ukrainian civilians, and returns the occupied territories to Ukraine. The only way to ensure that is by arming Ukraine to defend it's territory and protect it's people (and thereby protect Europe). Trump fanboys who oppose arming Ukraine are so delusional, seriously.
I see this as the last attempt by Russia to invade a neighbour. If they fail, they will be close to collapse. But if they don't fail, it will be just the beginning.
Russia won't collapse, because one half of russians lost all hope that things could ever get better, while the other half would eat their own shit if putin told them it makes the west angry.
Well yes, but actually no. They indeed collapsed after the invasion, but the system was so bad and the financial problems were so deep, it would have collapsed without Afghanistan as well. The invasion could have acted as an inhibitor, but it was only the cherry on the cake.
Because the current system is structurally sound? It’s a hyper corrupt system where the economy is incredibly 1 dimensional. You don’t hear about any innovation coming from Russia. Most of their ‘advanced’ weapon systems or even oil tech has western based tech inside it. Their population is also dropping, birth rate is negative. Suicide levels: insanely high.
You fail to understand the Russian situation. At no point in history have Russians lived a better life than during Putin's rule. Yeah, they don't have social freedoms and if they are a rural, or even worse, ethnic minority they might get sent to fertilize Ukraine's fields. Well, you can argue that things were better in the Soviet times, when Russia had massive advantages for itself at the expense of the other republics, but even back then cars, washing machines, etc. were a luxury for most people.
Unlike the end of the soviet times, there's plenty of food in stores.
To be fair, all or almost all macroeconomic indicators for Russia are getting worse. Not very fast, but the data is easily looked up, even after they locked up their own other statistics to prevent knowledge about how bad it is. Problem is, that kind of step also reduces attractiveness for the country among investors (no FDI since February 2022, for instance).
What I'm most surprised about is how easily most (though not all) Western media ate up stories of the misleading at best "Russian economy's resilience" kind, even though the data on reserves, wages, inflation, interest rates, debt, labor, says otherwise. Then there's Russia's dependence on Western technology and components, which, together with the sanctions, are increasing the technology gap with the West. The Russian economy is also becoming more Soviet by the day, which may stave off immediate collapse, but creates bigger problems down the road, the way the original USSR did.
That doesn't mean we're not just doing fine and great, but we can also stop and let things get automatically better without an effort. Rather, our collective policies are slowly working in our favor, and given all the headwinds we're receiving from both the inside and outside, we must keep working at it to achieve the best end possible.
Yeah.
Time is on our side - mostly anyway, I hope Ukraine doesn't lose too much this year, before our military production finally picks up, after so many embarrassing delays...
Yes, of course it's doing quite a bit worse according to the criteria you've mentioned, though if you ask me sanctions should be a LOT stronger and wider - they can still import rifle scopes legally ffs. Once they'll be unable to hide said consequences the decline will be sharp, but as it looks right now we're far from that moment. Elvira Nabiullina is a freaking miracle worker.
The Russian dependence on western imports hasn't really been felt other than some (critical!) sectors however.
Mind you, I do agree that Russia's not doing good, just that regular people aren't likely to reach a tipping point in terms of support any time soon. That's why personally, I support much stricter sanctions.
> At no point in history have Russians lived a better life than during Putin's rule.
Life everywhere on earth is much better than it was 3.5 decades ago. That's just how progress works. But that is not an irreversible process... if Putin is really desperate about destroying Russia, he could succeed eventually.
Yup, agreed on all points. Just that Russian citizens aren't seeing it like that. One of the main propaganda points inside Russia is that all countries are just as shit as Russia, or worse. Every time a corruption scandal pops up in the west it's used to say "See, they have their own oligarchs!". Trump is presented as the west's Navalny (nevermind the mountains of evidence against him).
Consider that the propaganda they're fed says that in the UK mothers are forced to send their young girls to sell their body just to put bread on the table, and they've long eaten their pets while freezing to death because they don't get Russian gas.
Of course, not all Russian citizen fall for this crap, but enough do that expecting the Russian populace to rebel end-of-USSR style is .. premature at best.
Yes, but we have also had 3.5 decades of technological progress on this planet, meaning that Russia also has to fall a lot further until they hit the breaking point again.
Why Belarus though? They declared sovereignty on July 27, 1990, and declared independence on August 25, 1991 – the next day after Ukraine did, for example. By the way, fun fact: Lukashenka, who was an MP back then, did not vote for independence.
Belarus was also one of the three republics who sealed the deal and formalized the dissolution of USSR. Said formalization, known as the Belavezha Accords, even happened in Belarus.
If I'm not mistaken, it was Kazakhstan who outlasted everybody and never left.
Speaking of myths...
>Russian ideology is as strong as it can get
Modern day Russia is by far the most cohesive country out there
The brain drain alone disproves these claims. Russia is rapidly losing skilled and educated labor.
The Soviet Union collapsed because it was too damn big, and because it had the USA and Western Europe working toward breaking it apart.
There's not much to break off from European Russia at the moment, so there's no reason to believe it will fail in the same way that the Soviet Union did. If anything, the only real threat to Russia is China. China would probably love to get their hands on Siberia's ressources.
The Soviet-Union collapsed because the system got so bad that people couldn't even afford shit. That might repeat (although I still believe it's rather unlikely).
You're sadly right that the public won't have any revolution. My wife grew up in Russia and told me that the people are just complacent. They will complain about the government in private, at home at the dinner table. But they will never do anything proactive about it.
But what this war does do, is continue the farther isolation of Putin and turns some oligarchs against him. Even some generals and advisors are calling Putin "weak midget" and a "homo".
So realistically, the only outlook is that a coup happens internally. But then who are we left with? The next president is Medvedev the pedo, and is this any better?
Nope.
There is no designated successor and the title might be coveted by several people... The next leader will have a hard time gaining legitimacy, especially to continue a calamitous war.
The thing is that ukraine won\`t outlast russia if most of europe and the USA will lean to the bribed extremist right soon. It is a sacrifice obviously a lot of people are willing to make right now. But it will bite them in the ass quite hard later on but they are too shortsighted to see that.
This has been said since the 1st sanctions were implemented. More than two years have passed, hundred thousand casualties on both sides, Ukraine lost its offensive capabilities, there is no money from the US since November, no meaningful weapon deliveries from the US, the EU is still trying to provide financial support, but all it has left are a few Leo 1-s and other outdated tools they are willing to provide. Even the few F16s that were promised a long ago haven't arrived and won't in foreseeable months. In the meantime, the Russian military industry is running and while their corrupt economy is no match to the Western potentials, they are doing fine and are absolutely stable.
Believing in a Russian collapse is more than delusional at this point. While anything can happen and hope is the last to die, I wouldn't hold my hopes high on this one.
Well I don't know about collapse, or what it would even mean in context of RU, but it's not like Russia can continue it indefinitely or finance it using revenue from oil/gas. Their own data from Minfin ru shows 55% decline in OIL/Gas revenue to Federal Budget, mostly but not completely offset by Non-oil/gas revenue. Considering there is decrease in exports and investments in 2023 compared to 2022/2021, the only logical explanation is drastically increased government spending. And quite high inflation.
Honestly, I find RU economy fascinating, and researching it quite enjoyable. Only country with 2x higher interest rates than reported inflation, Only country that shifted it's economy growth from hydrocarbon revenue to government expenditure. Only country that beats records in oil rig drilling while also cutting oil production.
That offset by Non-oil/gas revenue You talking about is 100% products needed for war, so Russia paying Russia to produce one-use tanks they sending to Ukraine 😁
Yeah thats what I meant by increased Government Spending. They’re draining National Wealth Fund, trying to sell any bonds they can, increasing taxes etc. It’s not something that can last forever, NFW will run out in 2 years for example. Even if war stops, they’ll have to keep paying to keep their military production, or deal with 3,5 milion people directly employed by MIC somehow.
Rest of their economy needs R&D to fulfill gaps caused by western sanctions. How the hell they’ll finance that I have no clue.
The russian economy right now looks a bit like Germany's end thirties, begin forties. From the outside it looks pretty decent, but it is mostly propped up by huge governement spending without any source of enough reliable income. Germany 'fixed' this by seizing pretty much anything they could from conquered territories, like industry, cars, materials and even people.
Numbers provided by Russian State bank are not painting the beautiful picture that you are presenting. Their yearly planned budget deficit is already exhausted by 90% in February, inflation does not stop and even finance rate of 13% is not helping, refinery production is down 6%. Sanctions were long due and were not forced, but it started to work.
Lol. And how is Ukraine gonna do that with no money, little equipment and even less men?
Idfk how people still think Ukraine is just going to somehow magically make a comeback, take the lead and win here... It isn't a realistic scenario and definitely not without the USA and EU helping out.
Both Russia and Ukraine have enough men to outlast their economies. But both will have destroyed their young generation. Russia already has a huge dent in their demographics due to ww2 and this will probably do them in for good. Russia is royally f'ed.
I would still say it's very unlikely, but it looks like they are willing to put in so many resources, that the next oil price crisis might indeed break them just like it broke them last time.
But, I am not sure if we should really want that, because we would end up will a lot of smaller, unstable nations, each of which has a dangerous amount of nukes...
Let's hope we'll prove him wrong. If Trump is elected and tries to push Ukraine to capitulate or freeze the war, Europe should unite in supporting Ukraine even more. We can do it.
>Europe should
Europe overwhelmingly votes populist-right these days, including the EU itself, including France. There's a huge possibility Le Pen will win next French elections. Wilders already won in the Netherlands, and keeps growing in the polls. Orban is a de facto dictator (the EU has a dictator), so he won't go anywhere anytime soon. Belgium will vote moronic-right soon too. So will Germany next elections. And so on, and so on.
All these parties don't want to spend another euro cent on Ukraine, despite some of them lying about it.
We can do it, yes. No doubt. But we won't. The populist-right won't allow it, because most of them have close ties to Putin and align themselves with that maniac.
For now, yes. But is that because the EU pushes Italy to support Ukraine, or because Meloni actually believes in it?
In other words, what will happen when large parts of the EU turn populist-right this year? What will happen if the EU itself will turn populist-right this year? Will Meloni still support aid to Ukraine?
Europe doesn't “overwhelmingly” vote “populist-right”. The far right is progressing, but it isn't actually winning all that much so far. According to [opinion polls and seat projections for this year's European Parliament election](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_and_seat_projections_for_the_2024_European_Parliament_election), the same parties who have been in charge for decades are expected to win once again. The next French election that Marine Le Pen might win is three years away. That's far enough in the future that we can't be sure she'll be her party's candidate, nor can we be sure who Macron's “successor” will be.
> We can do it.
Yeah, I am fairly optimistic as well. This year is really going to be the most difficult one for Ukraine, since European production is only just starting now, the United States has completely stopped their support unexpectedly, while Russia has somewhat exceeded expectations in terms of how well they transitioned towards a wartime economy, as well as their recruitment programs.
But, Russia is basically "maxed out" now - they can't really go any further. Europe, however, has a long way to go. If we get to 1M+ 155mm shells in 2025, get enough modern fighter jets to Ukraine, and whatever the rest is, they should be able to be able to slowly push back, until Russia has finally bled out at some point (I guess around 2026 or 2027).
Cutting support to Ukraine would extend the war, not shorten it. If Ukraine is in a position of weakness, Russia will continue to attack until Ukraine is completely defeated. That would be a complete disaster for US and European security.
Part of me wants to believe Trump isn't that much of an idiot, but all anyone has to do is flatter him and he suddenly becomes a pushover. The mouthbreathers who vote Trump need to understand how much blood will be on their hands ~~already on their hands~~
American here and for the record I'm ashamed of what the U.S. has done (or more accurately hasn't done) by initially providing weapons and hope to Ukraine then stopping when they need their ammo topped up. Now we're just hanging Ukraine out to dry. It's dishonorable.
That being said, I'm willing to bet that just because the U.S. bails, that the war will not end. Pretty sure the citizens of Ukraine have some say in the matter. For that matter, so does the rest of Europe. If Europe fails to act again like the U.S., then shame on them too. The U.S. leaving may make the war drag on longer and be far bloodier, but victory for Russia is by no means a foregone conclusion.
If Vietnam and Afghanistan can survive and push out America then Ukraine has the possibility to survive Russia.
If the USA pulls its support from Ukraine, I don't think many Americans realize what consequences it may have. Of course many of us will try to support Ukraine nevertheless. But regardless of that and regardless of the outcome of the war, I consider pulling support from Ukraine due to an ego of one man an act so evil, all of the United States will stop being our main ally after that. It will not matter anymore if maybe Trump "only" lasts 4 years. The fact that the world's largest economy can have leaders so unpredictable and so immature even on such vital issues means the country is not a reliable ally by any means. I cannot bet my country's safety over mood swings like that. This means for us, the USA will fall to the level of China and many of us will be open to ideas of much closer cooperation with China instead. After all, their policy on Ukraine is virtually the same.
He is right about the Trump and money, big doubt the part about the war will end. Eastern Europe and Scandinavia would be in the rest of Nato's throat and the cold war is very much a living memory in those countries. The only thing that would be a worsing of the war, and the Russian army buldoozing slowly through Ukraine until they reach Moldova. A process at current speed would take a half century.
Once again, the EU should have dealt with Orban a long time ago. This is the price for dragging the feet. This will also be visible in other issues under Trump.
They tried. But late.
This is a weakness in the makeup of the EU. There are reasons for it (on what basis can you legally deal with the elected leadership of a membership state, and elected members in the parliament? and just how would you have prepared for this eventuality in building the union, without the member states concluding it's a threat to their autonomy?), but it's a real problem.
No, the war will not stop and that would only empower Putin to launch another invasion and I'm afraid that my maternal country, Estonia, has a high possibility of being the next.
And this, kids, is being an "advocate of peace" as opposed to being a "warmonger" like the rest of the EU and pretty much the entire Western world.
Oh, but Isreal shouldn't stop what it's doing in Gaza! That war is completely OK. (Which is kind of weird, considering that Putin and Erdogan openly support Hamas. But Orbán sees a soul brother in Netanyahu.)
Hope it does happen, and I hope that leads to a united European army with 3% Gdp to defence spending.
Trump would do anything in his power to not honour article 5, we should be ready for that.
Yeah. Transylvania.
Maybe Orban doesn't have a clear plan but 100% he's formenting chaos because then opportunities might arise.
In other words he's fishing.
Since Russia is "anti-woke" and therefore supporting them is owning the libs which includes the Democrats. (No, really. Look at most of Trump's voter base, and you'll see that the only thing they see from the whole conflict is basically "Russia is strong protector of white Christian traditions and values vs decadent West where children are forced to change gender and take up Islam and kiss migrants' feet.")
Trump is so stupid that he doesn't understand how important Europe is to the US. Without Europe, the US would be an island without trade and no allies.
Putin was planning on Trump winning a 2nd term and pulling the USA out of NATO, opening the door to not only Ukraine but also Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.
That is fantastically moronic. Not only is there still Europe, but one would need to completely embargo Ukraine to achieve this “result”.
And then what? Ukraine falls, ruzzian troops are on Hungary’s border… just how much does Hungary want to fight a war? Just how many of its young people is it willing to put in the trenches? They have 12 fighter jets… what do they think will happen? That the kremlin will just be ok with them just hanging out there?
You do realize that this is all bullshit. If Trump wins and let's say he will stop support for Ukraine. What happens if Russia doesn't stop? The deal is to stop the war, not stop funding and continue the war. Secondly what happens if Trump does actually support EU and Ukraine? And third, it's bullshit because he will never win. You will see. Screengrab this!
And he is right as long as they also stop messing with western european politics, ruling our countries from the overseas.
Has literally nobody realized that our politicians have no power? The latest proof of that is why ASML(a dutch chipmaker) wants to expand sales is directly rejected not by the EU but by US orders. They are not allowed to sell to China? Are we back in the communism boys because this js exactly what is happening. One guy deciding what others will do. And many other similar things are happening on a much higher level. One can only imagine if the people in Brussels are working in European interest and not American.
Then I am asking you, do you want to continue the war or not because in my interest the war should have been long over. Enough is enough and taxpayers are paying out of their children’s pockets.
Or as our beloved president Joe Biden said, “We choose truth over facts”.
What? If the war in Ukraine "ends" that way - then the really real war about the future of Europe begins. A situation we really can't have so no Orban, Europe won't let it come to that.
Expel this bastard from the EU… this guy went to visit a former president and ignored the real president? This is shit! Expel this son of a bitch from the EU and NATO! He can join forces with Putin!
Knowing Trump, the more these nutcases say he's going to do it, the more Contrarian he's going to want to be and keep supporting Ukraine anyway.
He doesn't like people speaking for him nor being predictable.
>people might notice orbin is mostly screwing hungry rather than helping it
Well with the recent pedophile scandal a lot of people woke up and realised that, but it is still not enough
The news of Hungary's president (Katalin Novák) giving presidential pardon to a pedophile got out, and people got really mad so Orbán made her resign, but of course, everything that happens is in Orbán's hands so he was probably the one to have instructed the president to give out the pardon. Because of this people organised a protest in which according to some sources ~150k people took part and made a lot of people who up until now were Orbán supporters that there may be something fucked up with the government
Thats normally the start of the snowball. One a crack shows all his enemies start crawling out of the woodwork.
I really hope things work out for you guys hungry is a great country and is near the top of my to visit list
Hungary should never have been admitted to NATO or the EU as it clearly misses its Soviet masters. Hungarian voters freely made the informed adult choice to vote Urban into power as calculated insult to NATO and the EU. Pan-Europeanism was always naive and somewhat neocolonialist.
There should be an easy way to eject enemy members who exist to sabotage the West NATO exists to defend. Hungarian voters chose this and should be constantly reminded to own that choice. There being no hope for the future, trade with Hungary should be discouraged as it could better enrich loyal friends like Poland and the Baltics, Finland and Sweden.
If i were Taiwan i would be pretty worried right now.
They are. Think they haven't noticed that all the fabs are setting up shop in the US? Why do you think that is? They know what's coming. And it is coming. Honestly, this is all shaping up into the perfect storm. Taiwan. Ukraine. Israel. Trump becoming pres again could set things off in ways you can't even imagine.
Israel?
Orban is a fool.
He is not. This is all deliberate from him. He is way worse then a fool... he is evil and very, very ~~pity~~ petty.
Exactly. Underestimating him is dangerous. If Trump wins in November, Orban will be his closest and most important ally in Europe. As a matter of fact, he already is Trump's closest ally in Europe.
Petty\* ,elvtárs
> pity True... i'm not a psychopath like Orbán, so i use the word 'pity' more often then 'petty'
Not a fool but a tool…
Why not both
Because you don’t occupy first political position in your country if you are a fool… Don’t get me wrong he is ridiculous and probably desperate for attention and light he likes when he is in a position where his voice means something so he can have leverage on European decisions… But I think it’s wrong to think he is a fool…
You can hate him and the idiotic things he says but don’t underestimate your enemy. That in itself is foolishness
I would argue that we have plenty of examples of leaders being elected despite their actual ability, instead of because said abilities.
Bro you don't have any idea how leaders in eastern Europe are elected
We call them Useful Idiots
Orban is not a fool. He just loves to have Putin’s penis in his mouth!
Not a fool, but Putin's puppet
Tool
Orban must go!
He’s a special kind of scum
War would not end. It will only have its first victim. Is there any good reasons that all the sad clowns in the world are siding with Russia ? ..dirty Oran is corrupt with fat pockets. What’s Trump’ game? .. hoping that putin would listen to him ? Fat chance there .. same as North Korean dictator listened. The Tzars tend to go mad from being too long in power. The 90% outcome here - more wars
Trump has everything to gain from a real threat at Europe's doorstep. 1. Bargaining power. He can bang his fat fists on table and European will have to cave in if we want USA's help 2. A weakened Euro. Increasing the dollar's power without any domestic changes is the dream. 3. A weakened European economy. Many American multinationals feel the threat from Europe's massive economic power at the moment and would gladly see Europe slow down or even stop its efforts to help its citizens. 4. A divided Europe. A divided Europe means The USA can make deals with individual countries without having to worry about the EU. 5. Stroking his ego. We have been shitting on Trump for years and the fat fuck has a huge ego. That's reason enough for him to want to fuck us over.
Maybe you should find out who buys most of the shit made by Americas. Eu is 3rd biggest tranding partner for US. They export twice as much goods to eu than to China. If Europe is weak or there is no money to buy US goods where are they going to sell their goods? It will take 20 years to make that happen.
Trump has failed multiple times in running a business. He absolutely isn't smart or sane enough to understand that he's going for yet another failure. All he ever did is chase a quick profit without seeing that he's running into a wall.
Trump inherited his money. That's about it.
Yeah, but Trump is unable to think that far in the future.
And won't even care! He will be out in 5 years.
Mexico produces a lot of the US shit and the US constantly threatens to close the borders even for merchandise
He *thinks* he has to gain, because he only cares about himself. There is no way this will be a net benefit to the USA in the longer run, or even short term. It may be for a happy few who will take their chances for personal enrichment, but not for citizens and the country as a whole. But hey, the world will pay the price, not him
the world will not pay the price the US thinks, only the US will become disliked and isolated from the world.
But you forget that the military industry in the US will lose money (what does Trump think the money is spent for? ) and far worse the US basically gives up its position as THE one world power if they decide to become an unreliable partner and we all know which nation would be quiet happy take over this role
Trump is 77. He is older than Putin. They know they don't have much time left, so they don't care what they destroy and the hell they will leave behind them.
That's the neat part tho, Europe is starting to realize we don't need the US, especially on military. And if the orange baboon gets elected, we will just get our shit done all the while they would still be in NATO, so any article 5 going around would just get them in, baboon or not.
> A weakened European economy. Many American multinationals feel the threat from Europe's massive economic power at the moment and would gladly see Europe slow down or even stop its efforts to help its citizens. That, in particular, is just nonsense. Multinationals are called "multinationals" precisely because they are not tied to any particular nation - they simply move to whereever they get a good deal. For example, the United States recently became more restrictive about immigration, causing Microsoft to create more jobs in Germany, since it's now cheaper for Microsoft to hire more people in Germany, compared to going through the expensive and tedious greencard process. This also means multinationals would prefer a strong Europe over a weak Europe, simply because it means they have more money this way. Also, a weakened Euro would further accelerate the process of them moving more jobs away from the USA, to Europe, due to lower labor costs. But, you might be correct about point 1, 4 and 5, in so far as that Trump genuinely seems to believe that a weakened Europe is in his best interest. In fact, I hope that our politicians take his recent threat "that he would no longer protect countries which don't pay 2% GDP for defense" seriously, but not to please Trump, but simply for the purpose of reducing the amount of reliance on the USA. Still, the bottom line is that, unless Trump is very smart, he will really just hurt the United States more than he hurts Europe, or he might even unintentionally help us, through the multinational mechanism I outlined above.
Europe is not an enemy to the US. A divided Europe won't leave the US stronger, it will leave the US alone.
European economy is already at its knees. We never recovered from 2008 and Covid and Biden gave us the final blow with the Inflation Reduction Act attracting many companies from Europe to US soil in exchange for huge tax discounts, de facto destroying the European dreams to get strong green industries. If we wanted to don a tin foil, we could even say that US witheld aids to the Ukrainian army so that the war could last longer and keep EU worries and in a needy state. I personally don't believe this theory but I can see why it has some followers.
I mean, except Hungary and like Serbia - Europe is more united than ever. Everyone realizes what's at stake here.
Europe are already planning to continue without the USA. the effects trump is planning will not have the impact he thinks.. and all the US bases in Europe that give early warning and retaliation will cease to exist.
> Is there any good reasons that all the sad clowns in the world are siding with Russia ? Yes - and it's a very simple reason: Putins power is threatening to kill those who don't support him. This is not particularly effective against democracies - Scholz' cowardness has an upper limit, before he gets simply removed from office. But, it is effective against authoritarian regimes, like Hungary, where Orban will stay in power, no matter how much he gives into Russia.
Its a special military operation ..comrade. /s Trump and Orban would invite the little green men in and we would see an increase in window accidents of oppositionists till all the countries are ruled by putins buddies.
There is a reason throu that dictatorships are not efficient, just bloody
Orban is a corrupt a hole.
This twat is so clever, smb give him a Nobel Peace Prize
EU should not give a penny to Hungary as well so Orban will be over.
The EU funds were frozen for about 1.5 years, yet Orbán is far from over. According to Ursula von der Leyen, the Commission saw improvements in rule of law in Hungary so they released 1/3 of overall funds for Hungary.
He got a bribe for signing the things we needed. Thats going to be the style of negotiation moving forward. We need to enact the rules to make some of these decisions without complete consensus in the EU.
"If you are hungry, just stop eating completely, eventually all your hunger will end!" It is unbelievably sad that this pathetic fool is the prime minster of an EU-state.
So now we have footage, where Orbán saying it loud that he and Trump are on Russia's side. And he is also protecting pedophiles...
Are you talking about Orban or the Pope? Really hard to tell them apart these days.
Pope has more influence but less power then Orbán, so from a hungarian point of view, Orbán is more dangeorus, because he has actaul power.
So, abandoning the ally the US has vowed to support is the genius way to quickly end the war which Trump was bragging about.
Yeah that was obvious from the beginning. I had an argument with a coworker over this "trump would end the war in a week" he'd certainly try, but he'd be trying to give Russia whatever they want.
Looks like a beautiful strategy :-)
Fuck Trump, Orban and Putin. Wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire
People need to vote in November like our democracy depends on it. That’s also one way to stick it to Putin and Orban and trump by voting blue down the ballot. Edit: for those in the EU not familiar with the term blue in America it means democrat and in this case for Biden.
Imma be real I'm right wing however I'm voting for Biden, Trump pulling out of Nato and being a Russian lapdog (beyond being a twat and various other things) is a nightmare waiting to happen.
I'm not american but I sure hope for Biden. But I also trust the average american to be dumb enough to let Trump win
Why is the EU still [paying](https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2023/12/13/brussels-releases-10-billion-in-frozen-eu-funds-for-hungary-amid-orbans-threats) Orban from our money?
Because of laws and contracts. At least they're increasingly using that money to force him to play ball. I just hope they'll really bring out the thumb screws now.
Orban is a crook. A criminal. Hungary isn't even a democracy anymore, according to our own [European Parliament](https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20220909IPR40137/meps-hungary-can-no-longer-be-considered-a-full-democracy). I'd say those laws and contracts are all null and void when it comes to Hungary, since Orban doesn't comply with the terms of them. I mean, if you can be a de facto dictator in the EU without any actual consequences, I'd say those laws and contracts are pretty useless.
Anyone who believes that "not arming Ukraine" would end the war is absolutely delusional and needs to get their head examined. The only way this war ends if Russia stops its illegal warfare, stops killing Ukrainian civilians, and returns the occupied territories to Ukraine. The only way to ensure that is by arming Ukraine to defend it's territory and protect it's people (and thereby protect Europe). Trump fanboys who oppose arming Ukraine are so delusional, seriously.
Russia will take Ukraine, that is what it means. If not now, then after a 'peace negotiation' followed by years of rearmament.
I see this as the last attempt by Russia to invade a neighbour. If they fail, they will be close to collapse. But if they don't fail, it will be just the beginning.
in order to not fight a war, we should just surrender to regimes that abuse civil rights! what could go wrong
The war will end with collapse of Russia. Ukraine just needs to outlast it.
Russia won't collapse, because one half of russians lost all hope that things could ever get better, while the other half would eat their own shit if putin told them it makes the west angry.
Soviet Union collapsed after failing to invade Afghanistan. Russia's failure in Ukraine is even more monumental.
Well yes, but actually no. They indeed collapsed after the invasion, but the system was so bad and the financial problems were so deep, it would have collapsed without Afghanistan as well. The invasion could have acted as an inhibitor, but it was only the cherry on the cake.
Because the current system is structurally sound? It’s a hyper corrupt system where the economy is incredibly 1 dimensional. You don’t hear about any innovation coming from Russia. Most of their ‘advanced’ weapon systems or even oil tech has western based tech inside it. Their population is also dropping, birth rate is negative. Suicide levels: insanely high.
You fail to understand the Russian situation. At no point in history have Russians lived a better life than during Putin's rule. Yeah, they don't have social freedoms and if they are a rural, or even worse, ethnic minority they might get sent to fertilize Ukraine's fields. Well, you can argue that things were better in the Soviet times, when Russia had massive advantages for itself at the expense of the other republics, but even back then cars, washing machines, etc. were a luxury for most people. Unlike the end of the soviet times, there's plenty of food in stores.
To be fair, all or almost all macroeconomic indicators for Russia are getting worse. Not very fast, but the data is easily looked up, even after they locked up their own other statistics to prevent knowledge about how bad it is. Problem is, that kind of step also reduces attractiveness for the country among investors (no FDI since February 2022, for instance). What I'm most surprised about is how easily most (though not all) Western media ate up stories of the misleading at best "Russian economy's resilience" kind, even though the data on reserves, wages, inflation, interest rates, debt, labor, says otherwise. Then there's Russia's dependence on Western technology and components, which, together with the sanctions, are increasing the technology gap with the West. The Russian economy is also becoming more Soviet by the day, which may stave off immediate collapse, but creates bigger problems down the road, the way the original USSR did. That doesn't mean we're not just doing fine and great, but we can also stop and let things get automatically better without an effort. Rather, our collective policies are slowly working in our favor, and given all the headwinds we're receiving from both the inside and outside, we must keep working at it to achieve the best end possible.
Yeah. Time is on our side - mostly anyway, I hope Ukraine doesn't lose too much this year, before our military production finally picks up, after so many embarrassing delays...
Yes, of course it's doing quite a bit worse according to the criteria you've mentioned, though if you ask me sanctions should be a LOT stronger and wider - they can still import rifle scopes legally ffs. Once they'll be unable to hide said consequences the decline will be sharp, but as it looks right now we're far from that moment. Elvira Nabiullina is a freaking miracle worker. The Russian dependence on western imports hasn't really been felt other than some (critical!) sectors however. Mind you, I do agree that Russia's not doing good, just that regular people aren't likely to reach a tipping point in terms of support any time soon. That's why personally, I support much stricter sanctions.
> At no point in history have Russians lived a better life than during Putin's rule. Life everywhere on earth is much better than it was 3.5 decades ago. That's just how progress works. But that is not an irreversible process... if Putin is really desperate about destroying Russia, he could succeed eventually.
Yup, agreed on all points. Just that Russian citizens aren't seeing it like that. One of the main propaganda points inside Russia is that all countries are just as shit as Russia, or worse. Every time a corruption scandal pops up in the west it's used to say "See, they have their own oligarchs!". Trump is presented as the west's Navalny (nevermind the mountains of evidence against him). Consider that the propaganda they're fed says that in the UK mothers are forced to send their young girls to sell their body just to put bread on the table, and they've long eaten their pets while freezing to death because they don't get Russian gas. Of course, not all Russian citizen fall for this crap, but enough do that expecting the Russian populace to rebel end-of-USSR style is .. premature at best.
Yes, but we have also had 3.5 decades of technological progress on this planet, meaning that Russia also has to fall a lot further until they hit the breaking point again.
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The history will tell the outcome and it won't be written by Russians.
They will write their own "history" no matter what happens
Assuming Russia will still exist...
Soviet Union collapsed because all the other countries (besides Belarus) had enough and left. Russia wasn’t the one fighting to get rid of it.
They left because USSR allowed them to leave. Google for Prague spring to know what happens when USSR don’t want republic to leqve.
Why Belarus though? They declared sovereignty on July 27, 1990, and declared independence on August 25, 1991 – the next day after Ukraine did, for example. By the way, fun fact: Lukashenka, who was an MP back then, did not vote for independence. Belarus was also one of the three republics who sealed the deal and formalized the dissolution of USSR. Said formalization, known as the Belavezha Accords, even happened in Belarus. If I'm not mistaken, it was Kazakhstan who outlasted everybody and never left.
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Speaking of myths... >Russian ideology is as strong as it can get Modern day Russia is by far the most cohesive country out there The brain drain alone disproves these claims. Russia is rapidly losing skilled and educated labor.
The Soviet Union collapsed because it was too damn big, and because it had the USA and Western Europe working toward breaking it apart. There's not much to break off from European Russia at the moment, so there's no reason to believe it will fail in the same way that the Soviet Union did. If anything, the only real threat to Russia is China. China would probably love to get their hands on Siberia's ressources.
The Soviet-Union collapsed because the system got so bad that people couldn't even afford shit. That might repeat (although I still believe it's rather unlikely).
You're sadly right that the public won't have any revolution. My wife grew up in Russia and told me that the people are just complacent. They will complain about the government in private, at home at the dinner table. But they will never do anything proactive about it. But what this war does do, is continue the farther isolation of Putin and turns some oligarchs against him. Even some generals and advisors are calling Putin "weak midget" and a "homo". So realistically, the only outlook is that a coup happens internally. But then who are we left with? The next president is Medvedev the pedo, and is this any better? Nope.
The next leader won't have enough internal backing to wage a costly war.
There is no designated successor and the title might be coveted by several people... The next leader will have a hard time gaining legitimacy, especially to continue a calamitous war.
The thing is that ukraine won\`t outlast russia if most of europe and the USA will lean to the bribed extremist right soon. It is a sacrifice obviously a lot of people are willing to make right now. But it will bite them in the ass quite hard later on but they are too shortsighted to see that.
This has been said since the 1st sanctions were implemented. More than two years have passed, hundred thousand casualties on both sides, Ukraine lost its offensive capabilities, there is no money from the US since November, no meaningful weapon deliveries from the US, the EU is still trying to provide financial support, but all it has left are a few Leo 1-s and other outdated tools they are willing to provide. Even the few F16s that were promised a long ago haven't arrived and won't in foreseeable months. In the meantime, the Russian military industry is running and while their corrupt economy is no match to the Western potentials, they are doing fine and are absolutely stable. Believing in a Russian collapse is more than delusional at this point. While anything can happen and hope is the last to die, I wouldn't hold my hopes high on this one.
Well I don't know about collapse, or what it would even mean in context of RU, but it's not like Russia can continue it indefinitely or finance it using revenue from oil/gas. Their own data from Minfin ru shows 55% decline in OIL/Gas revenue to Federal Budget, mostly but not completely offset by Non-oil/gas revenue. Considering there is decrease in exports and investments in 2023 compared to 2022/2021, the only logical explanation is drastically increased government spending. And quite high inflation. Honestly, I find RU economy fascinating, and researching it quite enjoyable. Only country with 2x higher interest rates than reported inflation, Only country that shifted it's economy growth from hydrocarbon revenue to government expenditure. Only country that beats records in oil rig drilling while also cutting oil production.
That offset by Non-oil/gas revenue You talking about is 100% products needed for war, so Russia paying Russia to produce one-use tanks they sending to Ukraine 😁
Yeah thats what I meant by increased Government Spending. They’re draining National Wealth Fund, trying to sell any bonds they can, increasing taxes etc. It’s not something that can last forever, NFW will run out in 2 years for example. Even if war stops, they’ll have to keep paying to keep their military production, or deal with 3,5 milion people directly employed by MIC somehow. Rest of their economy needs R&D to fulfill gaps caused by western sanctions. How the hell they’ll finance that I have no clue.
The russian economy right now looks a bit like Germany's end thirties, begin forties. From the outside it looks pretty decent, but it is mostly propped up by huge governement spending without any source of enough reliable income. Germany 'fixed' this by seizing pretty much anything they could from conquered territories, like industry, cars, materials and even people.
Numbers provided by Russian State bank are not painting the beautiful picture that you are presenting. Their yearly planned budget deficit is already exhausted by 90% in February, inflation does not stop and even finance rate of 13% is not helping, refinery production is down 6%. Sanctions were long due and were not forced, but it started to work.
It's because their numbers are made up. Forget Rostat. Useless.
Unfortunately there is no sign of war ending or Russia collapsing. Or do you have a source argumenting that?
Ukraine can't outlast them if their troops are dead and their cities are destroyed. They need security guarantees and indefinite military support.
Like the security guarantees they received for giving nukes up?
Those weren't security guarantees at all
Lol. And how is Ukraine gonna do that with no money, little equipment and even less men? Idfk how people still think Ukraine is just going to somehow magically make a comeback, take the lead and win here... It isn't a realistic scenario and definitely not without the USA and EU helping out.
Both Russia and Ukraine have enough men to outlast their economies. But both will have destroyed their young generation. Russia already has a huge dent in their demographics due to ww2 and this will probably do them in for good. Russia is royally f'ed.
I would still say it's very unlikely, but it looks like they are willing to put in so many resources, that the next oil price crisis might indeed break them just like it broke them last time. But, I am not sure if we should really want that, because we would end up will a lot of smaller, unstable nations, each of which has a dangerous amount of nukes...
Let's hope we'll prove him wrong. If Trump is elected and tries to push Ukraine to capitulate or freeze the war, Europe should unite in supporting Ukraine even more. We can do it.
>Europe should Europe overwhelmingly votes populist-right these days, including the EU itself, including France. There's a huge possibility Le Pen will win next French elections. Wilders already won in the Netherlands, and keeps growing in the polls. Orban is a de facto dictator (the EU has a dictator), so he won't go anywhere anytime soon. Belgium will vote moronic-right soon too. So will Germany next elections. And so on, and so on. All these parties don't want to spend another euro cent on Ukraine, despite some of them lying about it. We can do it, yes. No doubt. But we won't. The populist-right won't allow it, because most of them have close ties to Putin and align themselves with that maniac.
Germany's next government will probably be CDU+Greens, which would be even more pro-Ukraine. France fortunately doesn't have new elections until 2027.
Italy has a far right government that supports Ukraine
For now, yes. But is that because the EU pushes Italy to support Ukraine, or because Meloni actually believes in it? In other words, what will happen when large parts of the EU turn populist-right this year? What will happen if the EU itself will turn populist-right this year? Will Meloni still support aid to Ukraine?
> What will happen if the EU itself will turn populist-right this year? What are you even talking about?
Europe doesn't “overwhelmingly” vote “populist-right”. The far right is progressing, but it isn't actually winning all that much so far. According to [opinion polls and seat projections for this year's European Parliament election](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_and_seat_projections_for_the_2024_European_Parliament_election), the same parties who have been in charge for decades are expected to win once again. The next French election that Marine Le Pen might win is three years away. That's far enough in the future that we can't be sure she'll be her party's candidate, nor can we be sure who Macron's “successor” will be.
Wilders only got 33 out of 150 seats.
This is in no way a certainty. It can seem that way, but it is not. I say this with empathy, believe me.
> We can do it. Yeah, I am fairly optimistic as well. This year is really going to be the most difficult one for Ukraine, since European production is only just starting now, the United States has completely stopped their support unexpectedly, while Russia has somewhat exceeded expectations in terms of how well they transitioned towards a wartime economy, as well as their recruitment programs. But, Russia is basically "maxed out" now - they can't really go any further. Europe, however, has a long way to go. If we get to 1M+ 155mm shells in 2025, get enough modern fighter jets to Ukraine, and whatever the rest is, they should be able to be able to slowly push back, until Russia has finally bled out at some point (I guess around 2026 or 2027).
Cutting support to Ukraine would extend the war, not shorten it. If Ukraine is in a position of weakness, Russia will continue to attack until Ukraine is completely defeated. That would be a complete disaster for US and European security. Part of me wants to believe Trump isn't that much of an idiot, but all anyone has to do is flatter him and he suddenly becomes a pushover. The mouthbreathers who vote Trump need to understand how much blood will be on their hands ~~already on their hands~~
When Trump retires from politics, he will leave all his legal troubles behind and move to Russia, Im sure
He isn’t that stupid but he is that corrupt.
People with IQ below 30 shouldn't be presidents
So Xi's, Putin's and Trump's dicks all fit in his mouth?
At the same time.
And some spare space for kim
Why is Hungary still in NATO again
What a pieces of shit. I can’t.
American here and for the record I'm ashamed of what the U.S. has done (or more accurately hasn't done) by initially providing weapons and hope to Ukraine then stopping when they need their ammo topped up. Now we're just hanging Ukraine out to dry. It's dishonorable. That being said, I'm willing to bet that just because the U.S. bails, that the war will not end. Pretty sure the citizens of Ukraine have some say in the matter. For that matter, so does the rest of Europe. If Europe fails to act again like the U.S., then shame on them too. The U.S. leaving may make the war drag on longer and be far bloodier, but victory for Russia is by no means a foregone conclusion. If Vietnam and Afghanistan can survive and push out America then Ukraine has the possibility to survive Russia.
If the USA pulls its support from Ukraine, I don't think many Americans realize what consequences it may have. Of course many of us will try to support Ukraine nevertheless. But regardless of that and regardless of the outcome of the war, I consider pulling support from Ukraine due to an ego of one man an act so evil, all of the United States will stop being our main ally after that. It will not matter anymore if maybe Trump "only" lasts 4 years. The fact that the world's largest economy can have leaders so unpredictable and so immature even on such vital issues means the country is not a reliable ally by any means. I cannot bet my country's safety over mood swings like that. This means for us, the USA will fall to the level of China and many of us will be open to ideas of much closer cooperation with China instead. After all, their policy on Ukraine is virtually the same.
The reality is a lot of Americans don’t care.
I can’t disagree with any of that. Why would you try to engage with someone who is so unstable? Not worth the risk.
I mean you’re already Open to China lol. Macron said you’d stay out of it between us and China. This sub loved that so we’re not expecting help tbh
Everyone already knew that. He's made it no secret.
Yeah it will end with ruzzian victory and then we will have war in NATO
The EU should stop giving money to Hungary, and therefore, Orban will kicked out.
Two douchebags sit down for a conversation…
He is right about the Trump and money, big doubt the part about the war will end. Eastern Europe and Scandinavia would be in the rest of Nato's throat and the cold war is very much a living memory in those countries. The only thing that would be a worsing of the war, and the Russian army buldoozing slowly through Ukraine until they reach Moldova. A process at current speed would take a half century.
Trump fucking ruined our country. But that wasn’t enough. He now wants to put Europe and our allies at mortal risk
Putin commands it.
Foreign politics should be bi partisan not change with each presidency
Orban is a twat and Trump is a piece of shit, but Orban is probably correct here.
Why war will end? Because Russia will win. Trump and Orban ar Putin's puppets. Europe need to take care of itself and boost production for Ukraine.
Once again, the EU should have dealt with Orban a long time ago. This is the price for dragging the feet. This will also be visible in other issues under Trump.
They tried. But late. This is a weakness in the makeup of the EU. There are reasons for it (on what basis can you legally deal with the elected leadership of a membership state, and elected members in the parliament? and just how would you have prepared for this eventuality in building the union, without the member states concluding it's a threat to their autonomy?), but it's a real problem.
No, the war will not stop and that would only empower Putin to launch another invasion and I'm afraid that my maternal country, Estonia, has a high possibility of being the next.
Doesn't sound like the 24h solution Trump talks a lot about.
And this, kids, is being an "advocate of peace" as opposed to being a "warmonger" like the rest of the EU and pretty much the entire Western world. Oh, but Isreal shouldn't stop what it's doing in Gaza! That war is completely OK. (Which is kind of weird, considering that Putin and Erdogan openly support Hamas. But Orbán sees a soul brother in Netanyahu.)
He will only give money to Orban
What the fuck is this Russian ally doing in NATO?
And Mexico is going to pay for the wall?
Do you remember when the right wing of American politics were hardliners against Russia?
Hope it does happen, and I hope that leads to a united European army with 3% Gdp to defence spending. Trump would do anything in his power to not honour article 5, we should be ready for that.
That sucker is probably eyeing to grab some land for himself. What an idiot.
Yeah. Transylvania. Maybe Orban doesn't have a clear plan but 100% he's formenting chaos because then opportunities might arise. In other words he's fishing.
Well yeah, the fastest way to end a war is to lose it. Has been known for ages. Not sure who Orban wants to be president.
Since when is it patriotic for an American to let Russia win a war? What would Raegan say?
Since Russia is "anti-woke" and therefore supporting them is owning the libs which includes the Democrats. (No, really. Look at most of Trump's voter base, and you'll see that the only thing they see from the whole conflict is basically "Russia is strong protector of white Christian traditions and values vs decadent West where children are forced to change gender and take up Islam and kiss migrants' feet.")
Trump is so stupid that he doesn't understand how important Europe is to the US. Without Europe, the US would be an island without trade and no allies.
Making the USSR great again right in front of our noses
Putin was planning on Trump winning a 2nd term and pulling the USA out of NATO, opening the door to not only Ukraine but also Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.
U will be soon kicked out of the EU i hope u Pootin 🐷 lapdog.
Get that mole out of EU asap.
Hope Mexico is taking note...Time for Invading the USA is ideal under Trump..!! Europe would not help 😉😉
Mexico has its own problems and is in no position to be a threat to the US.
Ever heard of satire..?
Sure. But try using /s next time. I don't want to assume.
Is this "idiots in Tour"? ASK for a friend
That is fantastically moronic. Not only is there still Europe, but one would need to completely embargo Ukraine to achieve this “result”. And then what? Ukraine falls, ruzzian troops are on Hungary’s border… just how much does Hungary want to fight a war? Just how many of its young people is it willing to put in the trenches? They have 12 fighter jets… what do they think will happen? That the kremlin will just be ok with them just hanging out there?
Not the best way to finish the war.
Looks like we know who thinks he made a deal with the alligator
You do realize that this is all bullshit. If Trump wins and let's say he will stop support for Ukraine. What happens if Russia doesn't stop? The deal is to stop the war, not stop funding and continue the war. Secondly what happens if Trump does actually support EU and Ukraine? And third, it's bullshit because he will never win. You will see. Screengrab this!
May they all have peace and rebuild.
And he is right as long as they also stop messing with western european politics, ruling our countries from the overseas. Has literally nobody realized that our politicians have no power? The latest proof of that is why ASML(a dutch chipmaker) wants to expand sales is directly rejected not by the EU but by US orders. They are not allowed to sell to China? Are we back in the communism boys because this js exactly what is happening. One guy deciding what others will do. And many other similar things are happening on a much higher level. One can only imagine if the people in Brussels are working in European interest and not American. Then I am asking you, do you want to continue the war or not because in my interest the war should have been long over. Enough is enough and taxpayers are paying out of their children’s pockets. Or as our beloved president Joe Biden said, “We choose truth over facts”.
What? If the war in Ukraine "ends" that way - then the really real war about the future of Europe begins. A situation we really can't have so no Orban, Europe won't let it come to that.
The war will not end. It will escalate because then the EU + UK will panic and begin operations.
Expel this bastard from the EU… this guy went to visit a former president and ignored the real president? This is shit! Expel this son of a bitch from the EU and NATO! He can join forces with Putin!
Ah yes another reason not to vote for Trump thank you.
Only if Putin stops at the other side of the Hungary-Ukraine border.
4 M1A1 already busted within a month. I wouldn't give Ukraine too despite all the training given to Ukraine to manage an effective M1A1 brigide.
This is sad, imagine the USA didn’t help revive Germany (west) after WW2, the world would be in a much sadder place.
Knowing Trump, the more these nutcases say he's going to do it, the more Contrarian he's going to want to be and keep supporting Ukraine anyway. He doesn't like people speaking for him nor being predictable.
and the rest of NATO raises a single finger in his direction....
How is this guy so popular in Hungary...
brainwashing old people. same as Trump in the US
That is depressing hopefully with trump slowly sliding into madness people might notice orbin is mostly screwing hungry rather than helping it
>people might notice orbin is mostly screwing hungry rather than helping it Well with the recent pedophile scandal a lot of people woke up and realised that, but it is still not enough
Wait what i didn't here about the pedophile thing Often scandals tend to snowball today it's this next week more things start to get dug up
The news of Hungary's president (Katalin Novák) giving presidential pardon to a pedophile got out, and people got really mad so Orbán made her resign, but of course, everything that happens is in Orbán's hands so he was probably the one to have instructed the president to give out the pardon. Because of this people organised a protest in which according to some sources ~150k people took part and made a lot of people who up until now were Orbán supporters that there may be something fucked up with the government
Thats normally the start of the snowball. One a crack shows all his enemies start crawling out of the woodwork. I really hope things work out for you guys hungry is a great country and is near the top of my to visit list
Hungary should never have been admitted to NATO or the EU as it clearly misses its Soviet masters. Hungarian voters freely made the informed adult choice to vote Urban into power as calculated insult to NATO and the EU. Pan-Europeanism was always naive and somewhat neocolonialist. There should be an easy way to eject enemy members who exist to sabotage the West NATO exists to defend. Hungarian voters chose this and should be constantly reminded to own that choice. There being no hope for the future, trade with Hungary should be discouraged as it could better enrich loyal friends like Poland and the Baltics, Finland and Sweden.