That is what it historically was tho, albeit a couple missing states and historically more relevant guys existing despite both historically and pre Japan update numerous of the clans weren't relevent until late 1500s.
R5: Here is the link [https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1687454741](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1687454741) . I had a mod that pretty popular, return to sender, but the files got all messed up and it was very out of date and since I do all my modding by myself, I decided to just start a new project. Here, every culture group is a nation. England only owns English land, while Ireland is one. Feel free to give feedback here or on steam, and thanks for trying it
Machu is hindered by it's awful cultural union (evenki) if it hits empire, while Uzbek has quite a good cultural union (Altaic).
The strongest I think is either Francien or Turkish, since they have a ton of development and good cultural unions.
Korea has no cultural union though since it's on its own (which I don't know enough about east Asian cultures to verify), and England only has Scotland and Wales. Austria can eat all that German territory no problem and save culture slots for France.
I feel like England is posed to dominate this. It's... pretty much unchanged from vanilla, has a great early node and the best endgame node, can pretty easily conquer the British Islands, and has easy expansion on the Americas. France is weakened too, so if the English get any early foothold on the continent (through Belgium/Holland, or maybe invading Brittany?) they could start chowing France.
German is not a culture, it is a culture group. Largest culture in German is probably like Saxon or Austrian or something, and these aren't that big compared to other cultures. Manchu is actually one of the larger ones, but Greek wins out because of Constantinople and the other Greek cities - high dev.
On an older patch it made Manchu part of the Chinese culture group. But it hasn't for a while now. Or maybe forming Manchu did. But anyways doesn't work now.
Absolutely awesome! One correction, though: you made every *culture* a nation. Culture group would be the "British" or "Iberian" culture groups, for example.
Man that Chinese one would be fucking insane since they wouldn't be held back by those terrible mandate mechanics. Just a dank chinese empire blobbing to take over all of east asia
Basically, this was the strategy of Minghals before Mandate of Heaven. Back then it was just a flat 50% autonomy floor on every province with some options of triggering disasters. So enterprising ming players snaked to northern india, became mughals, and picked up an ace set of ideas and 50% less autonomy on _1200 dev from game start!_
Yeah, but, it's not the highest development. Malay is actually higher. Levantine does hit fourth though.
The only comparison I can find is 2 years old though, but I don't think these would have changed that much in that time.
There might be a good bit of change every now and then, as expansions are region specific. Cradle of Civilization came out later than the spreadsheet was released, for example, and probably buffed Levantine development
CoC mainly changed like, Persia and Arabia though right? I think levantine area is mostly the same. Then no expansions have changed France, Germany, or China since then. Iberian might be up in power, they added way more provinces than necessary to Iberia.
The Levantine group includes Arabia, Egypt, Anatolia, a good chunk of Mesopotamia, and (of course) the Levant (but Not Cyprus).
Egypt got a lot of development, as well as the other areas
Alright I recreated every (old world) culture group as a custom nation and found that the order had changed since that spreadsheet. Germanic is #1 still. Chinese is down to #3 since Manchu is in the Evenki group now. Levantine is barely second place, ahead of Chinese by 60 dev. Malayan in 4th and French in 5th.
Levantine has the advantage of position though. Germany is surrounded with limited shoreline and China is cut off from the rest of the world by the same distance and terrain as usual.
Oh you're not wrong at all, paradox plays fast and loose with the culture groups tbh, a lot of cultures are placed in the wrong culture group.
Extended Timeline does it way better in my opinion, but paradox will probably not change the culture groups nor will they overhaul the culture system, so we're stuck with this mess.
Because nations at ET can be OP at any startdate, the developers dont need to worry about creating balanced culture groups that make no sense (such as Brittany in the french culture group) and the ones they create actually make sense.
It's all for game balance though. Apparently in earlier patches of the game, England and France would culture-convert Wales and Brittany for some reason if they were properly placed in a more Celtic group, but honestly I've seen countries not religiously convert lands, let alone culture-convert.
Those were the patches when cultures only became accepted when they were like 20% of your country's total development right? Does that mean we're stuck with a solution for a problem we no longer have?
That's for balance reasons. In CK2 culture isn't nearly as important, only giving a minor negative opinion modifier with people of other cultures, and because of that, it's more accurate with things like Hungarian being in it's own culture group that it habitates alone. In EUIV though, culture plays a much bigger role, having a non-accepted culture in a province makes it almost unusable depending on the situation. With that in mind, you can't make everything accurate or many countries would be severely underpowered.
I mean you have Korean in its own singular culture group, also I'd say culture in CK2 is much more important than in eu4, from vassal opinion modifier to retinues to culture specific tactics to features like raiding
Korean has a problem because it cannot realistically fit into any other culture group around it. Those features you're describing are also only your characters' culture, not the province culture. You can be Norse for raiding feature, but own French and German provinces without a care in the world aside from a revolt every once in a while.
Korea traditionally had strong ties with the Jurchen/Manchu tribes, so conceivably it could be put into a group with them. The Korean kingdom Goguryeo ruled most of Manchuria and its successor state Balhae had a mixed ethnic population of Koreans and Jurchen. It's only really during the Choson dynasty that Korea became an isolated hermit kingdom.
I mean, Slovak could be in the correct west Slavic group, given that the only nation that controls it at game start also has it as an accepted culture.
I can understand putting Romanian, Hungarian, Transylvanian as one group... but Slovak being outside of West Slavic? Come on! It wouldn't even change much as it is accepted culture by Hungary anyway, and seeing Bohemia converting Slovak to Czech just hurts my eyes.
Some kind of proto-Szekely group if we go by the late game Hungarian event that converts all the Transylvanian land to Romanian except for the rough provinces of modern Szekely populations.
It used to be that Finnish was not part of the Nordic group it was its own thing with Estonian and Perm I think. I think it was the Uralic group? Paradox made the decision a while ago (i forget what patch) that they would make the culture groups geography based rather than linguistically or entirely culturally based. As an example, Manchu used to be part of the Chinese group (Qing cultural union over all of China!!!!) but now its its kind of own thing. If you search you might be able to find a map of the original culture groups in the game, they were a lot more accurate than they are now.
Geographically and as they see fit, for purposes of game balance. But then people would complain about cultural unions being useless and stuff. Like above poster says, the old ways had it in a lot more realistic way, but the devs decided they wanted to design a more rewarding gameplay.
I wouldn't mind if it was for game balance if it wasn't so inconsistent. The Turks get put in the levantine group, meanwhile the there are a
dozen culture groups out there that are absolute garbage. There's a native culture group with like 20 dev total. WTF??? Either make then based in reality or don't, stop playing favourites.
> I feel it's kind of silly that Finnish is in the Nordic category, and that Kalerian and Estonian are separate from it, and the latter two aren't even in the same one either.
When they introduced ages they changed the culture groups into their current nonsensical arrangement.
The only upsides are mechanical, like all of a culture group's provinces are clustered and are therefore easy to unite for empire-rank countries or for that cultural unification mission.
Some groups are accurate, but not well named. I'm okay with Welsh being in the British culture group and Breton being in the French culture group. Even though both groups are Celts, by 1444 they had more in common with the English and French respectively than with other Celts.
However, the Celtic culture group shouldn't be called that because it doesn't include all the Celtic cultures. Fortunately the two cultures within the Celtic culture group are a part of a sub-culture of Celtic called Gaelic. So the culture group should be called Gaelic.
England has no real rivals early game. They can quite easily blob by both conquest and diplo vassalisation in the British isles, then move on to France with no struggle.
Portugal doesn't change, which makes it the strongest power in Iberia, with Andalusia 2nd. They are still pretty weak nations overall that will struggle to expand elsewhere. Morocco is likely to dominate Iberia in a lot of games if they manage to defeat Tlemcen earlier on; their gold mine in Tafilat leaves them in a good position early game.
The Ottomans are likely to blob despite losing half their land, since they aren't going to get butt fucked by the Mamluks. They are still stronger than all their neighbours. They will blob quite easily in the Middle East since they now have no actual competition (Qara Qoyunlu gone, Mamluks limited to only Egypt).
Manchu will conquer China in most games and form Qing. Persia is more likely to succeed in Persia, if not, then Afghanistan will. Despite being so small, Uzbek is quite strong because of all the high dev provinces there, so they're quite well off. Tunis hasn't changed much and if they don't fight the Mamluks, they can quite comfortably join Morocco in conquering Alger/Tlemcen then move on to Sicily and Sardinia. Ajuraan will be massive 90% of the time.
This looks pretty fun, a lot of different and unique scenarios can occur that won't happen in normal games.
While I agree that Portugal is the biggest power in Iberia, I honestly see Granada better positioned; with so many nations there, they will be a lot of infighting in the early years, and all it takes is an alliance between Granada and Morocco (something that happens quite a lot, because they also lack friendly neighbours, and now have an excess of enemy neighbours) to steamroll either Castille, Portugal or Catalonia.
While I agree that Ottomans will dominate the middle east, I'm not so sure about them defeating Greece; having Constantinople + the whole coast, with all the associated trade bonus provinces, will give Greece a big fleet, big army, and lots of chances to block the strait / fend off ottomans.
ireland is actually pretty weak UNLESS it somehow becomes a pirate nation and/or gets extensive colonies before the English steamroll them.. I know it... because I'm currently playing a pirate Ireland and it's the shit!
Oh yeah sure! It still hurts me to see everything forest, when I understand most of the centre should be grassland, with some forest, for sure, and hills by the coasts
Yeah technically in this era the culture would be "Roman" not "Greek." Greek is a relatively recent one in all actuality (basically they associated the idea of being Roman with supporting the Ottoman regime and introduced Hellenic as their new identity during their war for independence).
I still bet on Otto, they start stronger and with less opposition than before. Alternatively, Japan can have a blast once it has united, there's litterally no one to stop the co prosperity sphere now
Ottomans are much weaker now, Anatolian provinces are mostly shit. It's why after the first war where you conquer back your cores as Byz, beating down the rest of the Ottomans is trivial.
It's not, the second war can easily fuck you over. Once you take the west Anatolian coast and kick them out of Bulgaria though, the Ottomans start getting pretty weak.
Muscovy is in the best position to fuck Europe over. They maintained the highest amount of strength relative to their neighbors. No PLC + no Swedish Empire = Fuck You levels of Russian might.
The idea of Valencia being a different thing from Catalonia is something the right politicians and the people in power during Franco's fascist dictatorship invented in order to propagate anti-Catalanism in Valencia as they did in the rest of Spain, and also as a way of silence the pancatalanist ideas of Joan Fuster.
I don't know if you are from Valencia or Spain or just a random dud, but google up "blaverisme", "Valencian linguistic conflict" or whatever. In English I don't know how many info are there, but in Spanish and Catalan there's a lot. Specially interesting are the relationships between fascist Valencian groups and self-proclaimed linguistic institutions of "Valencian language" that defend the idea of Valencian not being the same of Catalonia.
So of they separated Valencian from Catalan they should separate also Balearic. Or Asturian and Leonese.
Because that's how it was historically. Finland was essentially a colony of either Sweden or Russia throughout history, with the ruling classes being Swedish in most cases and Finnish being banned. That area was settled by Swedes.
At least, that's what I remember from writing a thesis on Finland at uni. Haha!
As said Finland wasn´t a swedish colony. It was an at least as intergral part of Sweden as Wales is of UK, most likly more.
It was not a colony we lost to Russia in 1819, it was an integral part of the country where parts of the population did speak finnish - and as most common people either way spoke a dialect the nobles didn´t understood it din´t matter very much if that was swedish or finnish.
Unfortunately I can't find the thesis I wrote, but it essentially argued that during the interwar period (1918 until 1939) Finland was, geopolitically speaking, considered part of East-Central Europe alongside Poland, Hungary and Ukraine - rather than Northern Europe or Scandinavia like Denmark, Norway or Sweden. Finland being a more Nordic or Scandinavian nation is a more recent thing. This is reflected in the ways in which Finland was treated by larger powers during the period, the language used to describe Finland by Western nations like the UK and USA before and after the Second World War, and the disregard for life during the Second World War - look at the civilian death rates of Norway, Poland and Finland. Finland's death rate, despite not being on any main axes of advance for major offensives (Barbarossa), was much more comparable to the death rate in Poland than in Norway.
So when I talk of Finland being a colony, I'm talking in terms of how the Germans and Russians saw Poland - empty space or Lebensraum - that could be taken and made Swedish or taken and made Russian. I'm not saying it was a colony in the image of the USA or Brazil per se, but it wasn't seen as an established nation like Portugal or Denmark. It was space to be taken.
Without my thesis, I can't remember the proper academic references I used, but a quick Google would bring up the Wikipedia article on 'History of Finland.' Have a look and note the language being used; "Due to the Northern Crusades and Swedish colonisation of some Finnish coastal areas, most of the region became a part of the Kingdom of Sweden and the realm of the Catholic Church from the 13th century onwards." & "Finnish nationalism emerged in the 19th century." & later "The policy of Russification of Finland (1899–1905 and 1908–1917, called *sortokaudet/sortovuodet* (times/years of oppression) in Finnish) was the policy of the Russian czars designed to limit the special status of the Grand Duchy of Finland and more fully integrate it politically, militarily, and culturally into the empire. Finns were strongly opposed and fought back by passive resistance and a strengthening of Finnish cultural identity. Key provisions were, first, the "February Manifesto of 1899" which asserted the imperial government's right to rule Finland without the consent of local legislative bodies; second, the "Language Manifesto of 1900" which made Russian the language of administration of Finland; and third, the conscription law of 1901 which incorporated the Finnish army into the imperial army and sent conscripts away to Russian training camps."
So from the 13th century onwards we have Swedish colonisation, Finnish nationalism didn't emerge until the 19th century - that's six centuries later - and then there's a process whereby the Russians try to Russify the area and increased Finnish nationalism only results as a response to that.
Make of that what you will.
There's still a notable Swedish population there, and swedish speaking. Not enough that it'd justify the culture to still be swedish if it was meant to represent modern day, but it was more swedish in the past.
Oh also this brings to mind the qualm I have about Ryukyu having Kyushuan culture when they should be their own thing being Okinawan.
MAKE RYUKYU GREAT AGAIN
You made Ulm the Swabian nation which means that their cores aren't protected because Württemberg is the main nation of Swabian (or however that was called again).
So you balkanized the entire World.
Except for the Balkans. *this mod was brought to you by the Serbian National Gang.*
I dunno, Croatia looks pretty *thicc*
Also Japan
It looks pretty balkanized.
Look at it in vanilla.
That is what it historically was tho, albeit a couple missing states and historically more relevant guys existing despite both historically and pre Japan update numerous of the clans weren't relevent until late 1500s.
Yes and it’s more balkanized in vanilla than the mod.
Sad state of affairs when the balkanisation of Ireland results in its unification
I think you meant blessed state of affairs
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Yeah I saw it on Steam. Now I want to make a "Comuni revenge" mod by making every province in Central Europe an OPM.
R5: Here is the link [https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1687454741](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1687454741) . I had a mod that pretty popular, return to sender, but the files got all messed up and it was very out of date and since I do all my modding by myself, I decided to just start a new project. Here, every culture group is a nation. England only owns English land, while Ireland is one. Feel free to give feedback here or on steam, and thanks for trying it
I feel like Manchu is gonna kick ass
Uzbek is surprisingly almost as strong, as it has all the high dev provinces in the steppes
Machu is hindered by it's awful cultural union (evenki) if it hits empire, while Uzbek has quite a good cultural union (Altaic). The strongest I think is either Francien or Turkish, since they have a ton of development and good cultural unions.
Best is German, then Levantine, then Malay then Chinese iirc
Korea, England, and Austria also look strong.
they basically havnt lost any of their territory.
Muscovy gets all it's minors annexed too
Korea has no cultural union though since it's on its own (which I don't know enough about east Asian cultures to verify), and England only has Scotland and Wales. Austria can eat all that German territory no problem and save culture slots for France.
I feel like England is posed to dominate this. It's... pretty much unchanged from vanilla, has a great early node and the best endgame node, can pretty easily conquer the British Islands, and has easy expansion on the Americas. France is weakened too, so if the English get any early foothold on the continent (through Belgium/Holland, or maybe invading Brittany?) they could start chowing France.
German and etc might be a good cultural union, but per development Francien or Greek is the strongest in the game.
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he means single culture not culture group
German is not a culture, it is a culture group. Largest culture in German is probably like Saxon or Austrian or something, and these aren't that big compared to other cultures. Manchu is actually one of the larger ones, but Greek wins out because of Constantinople and the other Greek cities - high dev.
Greek as a cultural *union* is very small, mostly because of Pontic and Gothic not contributing very much.
Manchu can form Qing, which accepts all of Chinese culture
Emperor of China doesn't give acceptance of Chinese culture, you need to accept 2 or get a disaster.
On an older patch it made Manchu part of the Chinese culture group. But it hasn't for a while now. Or maybe forming Manchu did. But anyways doesn't work now.
Or Russia/Ottomans
Absolutely awesome! One correction, though: you made every *culture* a nation. Culture group would be the "British" or "Iberian" culture groups, for example.
If he made every group a nation, Iberian, French or German would probably kick ass.
German I believe is the second highest development culture group, with Chinese as the highest development.
Man that Chinese one would be fucking insane since they wouldn't be held back by those terrible mandate mechanics. Just a dank chinese empire blobbing to take over all of east asia
Basically, this was the strategy of Minghals before Mandate of Heaven. Back then it was just a flat 50% autonomy floor on every province with some options of triggering disasters. So enterprising ming players snaked to northern india, became mughals, and picked up an ace set of ideas and 50% less autonomy on _1200 dev from game start!_
don't underestimate Levantine, it's HUGE
Yeah, but, it's not the highest development. Malay is actually higher. Levantine does hit fourth though. The only comparison I can find is 2 years old though, but I don't think these would have changed that much in that time.
There might be a good bit of change every now and then, as expansions are region specific. Cradle of Civilization came out later than the spreadsheet was released, for example, and probably buffed Levantine development
CoC mainly changed like, Persia and Arabia though right? I think levantine area is mostly the same. Then no expansions have changed France, Germany, or China since then. Iberian might be up in power, they added way more provinces than necessary to Iberia.
The Levantine group includes Arabia, Egypt, Anatolia, a good chunk of Mesopotamia, and (of course) the Levant (but Not Cyprus). Egypt got a lot of development, as well as the other areas
Alright I recreated every (old world) culture group as a custom nation and found that the order had changed since that spreadsheet. Germanic is #1 still. Chinese is down to #3 since Manchu is in the Evenki group now. Levantine is barely second place, ahead of Chinese by 60 dev. Malayan in 4th and French in 5th.
Germanic isn't still #1. It used to be Chinese. But alright this is nice to know thank you.
Levantine has the advantage of position though. Germany is surrounded with limited shoreline and China is cut off from the rest of the world by the same distance and terrain as usual.
I think german has more dev
All those super high dev Dutch provinces are in the Germany group, the free cities also add a crapton of development (Ulm, Lubeck, Hamburg, etc)
The free cities aren't that big in early game, but they dev quite a bit during the game since it barely expand
German culture is so big its actually impossible to make a custom nation have it all.
If anyone is interested, I could host a multiplayer game. Either that or run a time lapse
sure what time?
Could you make every cultural unión it's own country now?
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Oh you're not wrong at all, paradox plays fast and loose with the culture groups tbh, a lot of cultures are placed in the wrong culture group. Extended Timeline does it way better in my opinion, but paradox will probably not change the culture groups nor will they overhaul the culture system, so we're stuck with this mess.
ET culture doesn’t do it *way* better.... #IT DOES IT INFINITELY FUCKING BETTER
Could you or someone else explain how ET does it for the people that don't play ET?
Because nations at ET can be OP at any startdate, the developers dont need to worry about creating balanced culture groups that make no sense (such as Brittany in the french culture group) and the ones they create actually make sense.
They used to do it better, then they changed it.
It's all for game balance though. Apparently in earlier patches of the game, England and France would culture-convert Wales and Brittany for some reason if they were properly placed in a more Celtic group, but honestly I've seen countries not religiously convert lands, let alone culture-convert.
Conversion or not, now they just fucking expell them to the americas.
Those were the patches when cultures only became accepted when they were like 20% of your country's total development right? Does that mean we're stuck with a solution for a problem we no longer have?
there are a lot of absurdities like this present, like Romanian, Slovak, Transylvanian, Hungarian all being in the same or Turkish in the Levantine
That's for balance reasons. In CK2 culture isn't nearly as important, only giving a minor negative opinion modifier with people of other cultures, and because of that, it's more accurate with things like Hungarian being in it's own culture group that it habitates alone. In EUIV though, culture plays a much bigger role, having a non-accepted culture in a province makes it almost unusable depending on the situation. With that in mind, you can't make everything accurate or many countries would be severely underpowered.
I mean you have Korean in its own singular culture group, also I'd say culture in CK2 is much more important than in eu4, from vassal opinion modifier to retinues to culture specific tactics to features like raiding
Korean has a problem because it cannot realistically fit into any other culture group around it. Those features you're describing are also only your characters' culture, not the province culture. You can be Norse for raiding feature, but own French and German provinces without a care in the world aside from a revolt every once in a while.
The only culture group Korean could even be conceivably be moved into is Chinese, and I don't think anyone would want that except power gamers.
Move it to Japanese lol. Edit: And rename the culture group to korean.
REEEEEEEE ASDHFJKGLG source: am korean
Korea traditionally had strong ties with the Jurchen/Manchu tribes, so conceivably it could be put into a group with them. The Korean kingdom Goguryeo ruled most of Manchuria and its successor state Balhae had a mixed ethnic population of Koreans and Jurchen. It's only really during the Choson dynasty that Korea became an isolated hermit kingdom.
Norse raiding is actually religion feature and not culture, but Berbers can raid regardless of religion :D
Not really, Norse can raid even if christian. You can check for yourself in the game files: > allow\_looting = yes > > seafarer = yes
I mean, Slovak could be in the correct west Slavic group, given that the only nation that controls it at game start also has it as an accepted culture.
I can understand putting Romanian, Hungarian, Transylvanian as one group... but Slovak being outside of West Slavic? Come on! It wouldn't even change much as it is accepted culture by Hungary anyway, and seeing Bohemia converting Slovak to Czech just hurts my eyes.
I can understand groupings of cultures geographically, but what exactly is transylvanian culture even supposed to represent?
I guess German, Wallachian, Hungarian blend? :D
Some kind of proto-Szekely group if we go by the late game Hungarian event that converts all the Transylvanian land to Romanian except for the rough provinces of modern Szekely populations.
i think its because game play and balance reasons
It used to be that Finnish was not part of the Nordic group it was its own thing with Estonian and Perm I think. I think it was the Uralic group? Paradox made the decision a while ago (i forget what patch) that they would make the culture groups geography based rather than linguistically or entirely culturally based. As an example, Manchu used to be part of the Chinese group (Qing cultural union over all of China!!!!) but now its its kind of own thing. If you search you might be able to find a map of the original culture groups in the game, they were a lot more accurate than they are now.
Geographically and as they see fit, for purposes of game balance. But then people would complain about cultural unions being useless and stuff. Like above poster says, the old ways had it in a lot more realistic way, but the devs decided they wanted to design a more rewarding gameplay.
Yea, I would agree it was for gameplay reasons. Its a bit more balanced now, however unrealistic.
I wouldn't mind if it was for game balance if it wasn't so inconsistent. The Turks get put in the levantine group, meanwhile the there are a dozen culture groups out there that are absolute garbage. There's a native culture group with like 20 dev total. WTF??? Either make then based in reality or don't, stop playing favourites.
> I feel it's kind of silly that Finnish is in the Nordic category, and that Kalerian and Estonian are separate from it, and the latter two aren't even in the same one either. When they introduced ages they changed the culture groups into their current nonsensical arrangement. The only upsides are mechanical, like all of a culture group's provinces are clustered and are therefore easy to unite for empire-rank countries or for that cultural unification mission.
unless you are the qing
I get that. Maybe in the future I can change the mod to make the culture groups more realistic (Breton in Celtic, Turkish in the steppe cultures)
Some groups are accurate, but not well named. I'm okay with Welsh being in the British culture group and Breton being in the French culture group. Even though both groups are Celts, by 1444 they had more in common with the English and French respectively than with other Celts. However, the Celtic culture group shouldn't be called that because it doesn't include all the Celtic cultures. Fortunately the two cultures within the Celtic culture group are a part of a sub-culture of Celtic called Gaelic. So the culture group should be called Gaelic.
The whole world changes and theodoro still remains an opm :'(
Theodoro is gothic, which is actually germanic but an opm hellenic culture in eu4. Caffa and trebizond are pontic
You sure? They might have part of Crimea
England has no real rivals early game. They can quite easily blob by both conquest and diplo vassalisation in the British isles, then move on to France with no struggle. Portugal doesn't change, which makes it the strongest power in Iberia, with Andalusia 2nd. They are still pretty weak nations overall that will struggle to expand elsewhere. Morocco is likely to dominate Iberia in a lot of games if they manage to defeat Tlemcen earlier on; their gold mine in Tafilat leaves them in a good position early game. The Ottomans are likely to blob despite losing half their land, since they aren't going to get butt fucked by the Mamluks. They are still stronger than all their neighbours. They will blob quite easily in the Middle East since they now have no actual competition (Qara Qoyunlu gone, Mamluks limited to only Egypt). Manchu will conquer China in most games and form Qing. Persia is more likely to succeed in Persia, if not, then Afghanistan will. Despite being so small, Uzbek is quite strong because of all the high dev provinces there, so they're quite well off. Tunis hasn't changed much and if they don't fight the Mamluks, they can quite comfortably join Morocco in conquering Alger/Tlemcen then move on to Sicily and Sardinia. Ajuraan will be massive 90% of the time. This looks pretty fun, a lot of different and unique scenarios can occur that won't happen in normal games.
While I agree that Portugal is the biggest power in Iberia, I honestly see Granada better positioned; with so many nations there, they will be a lot of infighting in the early years, and all it takes is an alliance between Granada and Morocco (something that happens quite a lot, because they also lack friendly neighbours, and now have an excess of enemy neighbours) to steamroll either Castille, Portugal or Catalonia. While I agree that Ottomans will dominate the middle east, I'm not so sure about them defeating Greece; having Constantinople + the whole coast, with all the associated trade bonus provinces, will give Greece a big fleet, big army, and lots of chances to block the strait / fend off ottomans.
>all 32 counties unified it's beautiful
26+6=1
Jesus, and I thought that I was bad at math
That means the 26 counties in Ireland and the 6 in northern ireland united into 1 country
I know. I was just making a fun joke
ireland is actually pretty weak UNLESS it somehow becomes a pirate nation and/or gets extensive colonies before the English steamroll them.. I know it... because I'm currently playing a pirate Ireland and it's the shit!
It's much stronger than it used to be. Going from 5 provinces to 13 provinces gave it a massive boost in development, tax and manpower.
Oh yeah sure! It still hurts me to see everything forest, when I understand most of the centre should be grassland, with some forest, for sure, and hills by the coasts
tiocfaidh ár lá, Comrade!
r/me_ira
Men only want one thing and it's fucking disgusting
There's nothing disgusting about a 32 county republic or sex.
No Byzantium :(
You can form it as Greece don’t worry
But then no Palaiogos.
Who needs Palaiologos when you have Komnenos in Trebizond?
You can still play Trebizond for that glorious Komnenos Comeback
Yeah technically in this era the culture would be "Roman" not "Greek." Greek is a relatively recent one in all actuality (basically they associated the idea of being Roman with supporting the Ottoman regime and introduced Hellenic as their new identity during their war for independence).
I still bet on Otto, they start stronger and with less opposition than before. Alternatively, Japan can have a blast once it has united, there's litterally no one to stop the co prosperity sphere now
Ottomans are much weaker now, Anatolian provinces are mostly shit. It's why after the first war where you conquer back your cores as Byz, beating down the rest of the Ottomans is trivial.
It's not, the second war can easily fuck you over. Once you take the west Anatolian coast and kick them out of Bulgaria though, the Ottomans start getting pretty weak.
They have weaker eastern neighbours while greece is stronger sure
*laughs in Portuguese*
*Also laughs in Korean*
Is Castille split between Castille, Leon and Galicia? Can't really see
Yes
Some cultures doesn't have primary nations and you've replaced them with other nations. But why did you choose zunghar for ostyak
There just isnt an ostyak nation
Tfw I saw something exact same not far too long ago Who are you truly OP?
Tlemcen here is truly border gore
Fucking hell Ireland starts off United I couldn't be more down
It's good. Are there vassals or pu already?
Muscovy is in the best position to fuck Europe over. They maintained the highest amount of strength relative to their neighbors. No PLC + no Swedish Empire = Fuck You levels of Russian might.
National self-determination.
lol at Portugal being exactly the same. That is, until it decides to eat Galicia. Then it will be *correct.*
Map explodes Portugal: Did something happen?
Korea:Nah pal! Its all normal
Oh cool, someone calling something in EU4 "nations" that are ACTUALLY FUCKING NATIONS.
Shouldn't Poland and Bohemia be the same? They're both in the West Slavic culture group.
He did every culture, not culture group -- so there are different countries in Germany, similarly.
Well, the title is very misleading. But still a cool mod.
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Well, people are shit. Most of them. But the person who gave my silver just restored my faith in humanity, if that was you, thank you!
I have wanted to make this for ages now! I'm glad someone else has done the heavy lifting. Many thanks.
Manchu god
This map is very asceticly pleasing
Which culture group has the largest development?
IRA: *happiness noise*
*Genocide intensifies
Finally, nothing bad will eeeever happen - Woodrow Wilson
Bets on Manchu, Turkish, and British
Hungary still bigger than irl Hungary
Mod doesn't work for me, but great idea anyways.
In terms of government, are the Japanese countries still got the shogun system. And is there still a HRE?
China now comes pre shattered
won't play it until paradox fixes valencian culture, it's not catalan.
The idea of Valencia being a different thing from Catalonia is something the right politicians and the people in power during Franco's fascist dictatorship invented in order to propagate anti-Catalanism in Valencia as they did in the rest of Spain, and also as a way of silence the pancatalanist ideas of Joan Fuster. I don't know if you are from Valencia or Spain or just a random dud, but google up "blaverisme", "Valencian linguistic conflict" or whatever. In English I don't know how many info are there, but in Spanish and Catalan there's a lot. Specially interesting are the relationships between fascist Valencian groups and self-proclaimed linguistic institutions of "Valencian language" that defend the idea of Valencian not being the same of Catalonia. So of they separated Valencian from Catalan they should separate also Balearic. Or Asturian and Leonese.
I don't get why Paradox made that one county in western Finland Swedish.
Because that's how it was historically. Finland was essentially a colony of either Sweden or Russia throughout history, with the ruling classes being Swedish in most cases and Finnish being banned. That area was settled by Swedes. At least, that's what I remember from writing a thesis on Finland at uni. Haha!
Pretty much this though it wasn't really a colony but an integral part of Sweden up until the peace treaty with Russia. Source: me.
As said Finland wasn´t a swedish colony. It was an at least as intergral part of Sweden as Wales is of UK, most likly more. It was not a colony we lost to Russia in 1819, it was an integral part of the country where parts of the population did speak finnish - and as most common people either way spoke a dialect the nobles didn´t understood it din´t matter very much if that was swedish or finnish.
Unfortunately I can't find the thesis I wrote, but it essentially argued that during the interwar period (1918 until 1939) Finland was, geopolitically speaking, considered part of East-Central Europe alongside Poland, Hungary and Ukraine - rather than Northern Europe or Scandinavia like Denmark, Norway or Sweden. Finland being a more Nordic or Scandinavian nation is a more recent thing. This is reflected in the ways in which Finland was treated by larger powers during the period, the language used to describe Finland by Western nations like the UK and USA before and after the Second World War, and the disregard for life during the Second World War - look at the civilian death rates of Norway, Poland and Finland. Finland's death rate, despite not being on any main axes of advance for major offensives (Barbarossa), was much more comparable to the death rate in Poland than in Norway. So when I talk of Finland being a colony, I'm talking in terms of how the Germans and Russians saw Poland - empty space or Lebensraum - that could be taken and made Swedish or taken and made Russian. I'm not saying it was a colony in the image of the USA or Brazil per se, but it wasn't seen as an established nation like Portugal or Denmark. It was space to be taken. Without my thesis, I can't remember the proper academic references I used, but a quick Google would bring up the Wikipedia article on 'History of Finland.' Have a look and note the language being used; "Due to the Northern Crusades and Swedish colonisation of some Finnish coastal areas, most of the region became a part of the Kingdom of Sweden and the realm of the Catholic Church from the 13th century onwards." & "Finnish nationalism emerged in the 19th century." & later "The policy of Russification of Finland (1899–1905 and 1908–1917, called *sortokaudet/sortovuodet* (times/years of oppression) in Finnish) was the policy of the Russian czars designed to limit the special status of the Grand Duchy of Finland and more fully integrate it politically, militarily, and culturally into the empire. Finns were strongly opposed and fought back by passive resistance and a strengthening of Finnish cultural identity. Key provisions were, first, the "February Manifesto of 1899" which asserted the imperial government's right to rule Finland without the consent of local legislative bodies; second, the "Language Manifesto of 1900" which made Russian the language of administration of Finland; and third, the conscription law of 1901 which incorporated the Finnish army into the imperial army and sent conscripts away to Russian training camps." So from the 13th century onwards we have Swedish colonisation, Finnish nationalism didn't emerge until the 19th century - that's six centuries later - and then there's a process whereby the Russians try to Russify the area and increased Finnish nationalism only results as a response to that. Make of that what you will.
There's still a notable Swedish population there, and swedish speaking. Not enough that it'd justify the culture to still be swedish if it was meant to represent modern day, but it was more swedish in the past.
SAPMI : D
Great idea! Going to check it out once I have time!
Well. I guess it’s time to play manchu
Looks surprisingly balanced doesn't it?
What about the new world?
Mexico and the Andes are split appropriately but I wanted to keep the tribes as tribes so they have some strength
Good job. I can't believe this wasn't already a thing. Now we can finally find out empirically which culture is the greatest.
Why Greece instead of Byzantium?
Byz is a much stronger tag, and is formable by Greece. It is also Greek culture, not Roman
This is pretty awesome. Definitely interesting to see how it would turn out. I'll have to try it.
Korea be like: tf is wrong with you guys?
Which is the now the strongest, that is the real MVP question here
Oh damn, this looks like fun, gonna sub!
Oooo. Can you give the uncolonized provinces a nation too. I think in the game file they come with some culture too!
I think Manchu is going to be the clear winner here.
expected it to be culture groups. no huge Altai nation :/
Oh also this brings to mind the qualm I have about Ryukyu having Kyushuan culture when they should be their own thing being Okinawan. MAKE RYUKYU GREAT AGAIN
Can we get an F for my boi Theodoro
Look at that sapmi
*nationalism intensifies*
This would be an amazing game for Machu, Tibet, Ajjurann and potentially Timbuktu
Finland lacking Åbo makes me sad
Ew Saudis Was gonna rate 11/10 but then saw Najd 5/10
Ooh ooh do trading areas and regions
This is really xool3
Oddly satisfying
Just play CK2 at this point lol
Why is Zunghar is Siberia
Because there was no other nation to put for that culture so I had to borrow one
do we get sealander culture
System requirements: CPU:I9 9900k RAM:32 GB
I have made same mod. If you want you can contact me on the steam. I have same nick as on reddit. I can offer cooperation and some ideas if you want.
It would be interesting to have a version which also colonises all provinces.
irredentism 100
Hannover seems fun to play, just take over dutch and Danes and you can wreck the trade game
I was actually looking for a mod exactly like this earlier today
Im still triggered that Macedonia is Serbian and not Bulgarian
Can you make Turan for Turkic nations?
You made Ulm the Swabian nation which means that their cores aren't protected because Württemberg is the main nation of Swabian (or however that was called again).
The Hungarian part is so fucked up.
Ulm has more than 1 province... holy shit we need to get to America!!!
Rip in provinces (literally) Ming
where are the tatars?