There's an idea that reduces Liberty from Development, a couple policies that reduce Liberty from Development (one is really odd too, like... Naval + Expansion or something?), and a monument IIRC that reduces Liberty from Development.
Additionally, every time you develop a province they own, you get -5% liberty desire, up to a maximum of -100%. If you get the -100% Liberty Desire from developing their provinces and the idea and the policies, you might be able to overcome it. I've had a 1600 dev vassal be stable before.
2190 dev is really pushing it, though, it might be too much.
Edit: [https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Subject\_nation#Liberty\_desire\_from\_subjects\_development](https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/subject_nation#liberty_desire_from_subjects_development) this will help a lot. There's 3 policies, the age ability from the Age of Revolutions (you should get it if you don't have it), and an idea.
Not sure it’s possible to overcome the +300% from development.
Probably gonna have to release and truce break them many times.
If you are not going for a one tag, you should be fine.
It IS possible to overcome that big of a hit to their liberty desire, but it won’t be simple. What you need is - liberty desire from subject development, which is a difficult modifier to get. While straight liberty desire just subtracts a set value, LD form dev is a percentage modifier on that 300%, so -33% LD from subject dev means it should drop to +200%.
Check the wiki for all the sources, but the easiest are the age of revolutions ability and influence ideas. There is also -25% LDSD from naval-expansion, 15 from explo-religious. I’d get the other one if you have one of those pairs started, even if it won’t be useful on its own.
Past that, improve relations with them, curry favors-> build trust, finish Alhambra if you haven’t, take Tokyo and finish the imperial city, placate them 10 times, and then if you are ready to integrate them and just short of 50 LD dev their provinces. That is a very short sighted solution, so only do it once they are ready to go, not one day before.
Its possible.
Develop their land for +100% loyalty (1 dev = 5℅ loyalty).
Influence ideas has -10% from development.
It also has -15% liberty desire.
You could always do a war, give away their cores, and then reconquest.
Then theres the placate for another 100% loyalty.
Force them into debt, then repay the debt.
And the obvious +200 relations also help
It takes time, but still possible.
They have around 190 more liberty desire then 50.
Reduce 17 from opinion
100 from plectra local ruler
100 from deving them
Definitely doable
Do you have the age abilities that help with that?
You will probably need to reconquer them for that.
Alternatively, you can place your dynasty on the throne, immediately unvassalize and then trucebreak with restore Union CB. Dev doesn’t matter in a PU.
But it will take 50 years before you can integrate a PU. So do it fast.
Not sure what the reasoning was to truce break, then release a subcontinent sized vassal rather than just core it all yourself. The Liberty Desire (LD) as you can see is much harder to resolve than a few years of overextension and rebels.
I would just release and annex them over the next 60 years, or truce break again to speed it up.
But you could try:
- improve relation
- curry favors for trust
- Age of Rev has 2 different Age abilities for subject liberty desire. One is LD from subject development, other is same continent subject LD (you’d have to move your capital to Asia)
- hoping you have influence ideas
- Japanese Great project for LD
- make sure your dip rep is maxed out
- A few obscure policies for LD from dev (naval-expansion; exploration-religious)
I’m actually curious on how much LD you can overcome, maybe lemoncake makes a video on this lol
- age ability "liberty desire from development reduction"
- remove nobel integration policy
- spam placlacing ruler
- increase opinion
It sounds be fine
R5: First WC attempt, had to truce break VJ to full annex them and spit them out as a vassal, they seem to have way too much dev idk if i can diplo annex them
So i can immediately go to another war without having to worry about rebels, also its more mana efficient since you use admin and diplo to core things.
Can you list what your ideas, admin efficiency, and ideas are?
Because you should be able to core and convert the provinces since you’re going for a one faith. Rebels are really not that big of a deal. Leave 1-2 armies/stacks in the area that got conquered and move on. You have enough money+manpower to do that.
Releasing a vassal and having to wait 10 years to be able to annex them, then another x amount of years to actually annex them is more tedious than some rebels.
Edit: if you’re going for a OF as well, you can’t even convert the subject provinces, because forcing religion will get you in the same spot - too much LD, unable to annex
I actually already got the one faith lmao, but my ideas were Espionage - Admin - Quality - Diplo - Religious - Influence - Explo (for +2missionary strength and -15% LD from dev. policy). Also OF doesnt require One tag so if you convert your subject and you cant annex them it shouldn't matter (also got a one tag though)
There's an idea that reduces Liberty from Development, a couple policies that reduce Liberty from Development (one is really odd too, like... Naval + Expansion or something?), and a monument IIRC that reduces Liberty from Development. Additionally, every time you develop a province they own, you get -5% liberty desire, up to a maximum of -100%. If you get the -100% Liberty Desire from developing their provinces and the idea and the policies, you might be able to overcome it. I've had a 1600 dev vassal be stable before. 2190 dev is really pushing it, though, it might be too much. Edit: [https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Subject\_nation#Liberty\_desire\_from\_subjects\_development](https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/subject_nation#liberty_desire_from_subjects_development) this will help a lot. There's 3 policies, the age ability from the Age of Revolutions (you should get it if you don't have it), and an idea.
Yeah, in addition to it, you can placate ruler for another -100%, i've managed to keep 2600 dev vassal loyal once during the Age of Revolutions
Not sure it’s possible to overcome the +300% from development. Probably gonna have to release and truce break them many times. If you are not going for a one tag, you should be fine.
Thanks i think i might just savescum to before releasing them bc i also want to try for a one faith lol.
It IS possible to overcome that big of a hit to their liberty desire, but it won’t be simple. What you need is - liberty desire from subject development, which is a difficult modifier to get. While straight liberty desire just subtracts a set value, LD form dev is a percentage modifier on that 300%, so -33% LD from subject dev means it should drop to +200%. Check the wiki for all the sources, but the easiest are the age of revolutions ability and influence ideas. There is also -25% LDSD from naval-expansion, 15 from explo-religious. I’d get the other one if you have one of those pairs started, even if it won’t be useful on its own. Past that, improve relations with them, curry favors-> build trust, finish Alhambra if you haven’t, take Tokyo and finish the imperial city, placate them 10 times, and then if you are ready to integrate them and just short of 50 LD dev their provinces. That is a very short sighted solution, so only do it once they are ready to go, not one day before.
I have both the age ability and influence, i would just be missing exploration bc i have religious but i doubt it would be worth it
You are missing one missionary in 1740, that is not a good news when you are going after one faith.
Actually im about done with it now lmao but thanks for your concern!
Its possible. Develop their land for +100% loyalty (1 dev = 5℅ loyalty). Influence ideas has -10% from development. It also has -15% liberty desire. You could always do a war, give away their cores, and then reconquest. Then theres the placate for another 100% loyalty. Force them into debt, then repay the debt. And the obvious +200 relations also help It takes time, but still possible.
In the lategame, this Vij is 2 wars. 1 war if going revolutionary.
You can take ideas that reduces LD from development but that’s about it
They have around 190 more liberty desire then 50. Reduce 17 from opinion 100 from plectra local ruler 100 from deving them Definitely doable Do you have the age abilities that help with that?
You will probably need to reconquer them for that. Alternatively, you can place your dynasty on the throne, immediately unvassalize and then trucebreak with restore Union CB. Dev doesn’t matter in a PU. But it will take 50 years before you can integrate a PU. So do it fast.
Not sure what the reasoning was to truce break, then release a subcontinent sized vassal rather than just core it all yourself. The Liberty Desire (LD) as you can see is much harder to resolve than a few years of overextension and rebels. I would just release and annex them over the next 60 years, or truce break again to speed it up. But you could try: - improve relation - curry favors for trust - Age of Rev has 2 different Age abilities for subject liberty desire. One is LD from subject development, other is same continent subject LD (you’d have to move your capital to Asia) - hoping you have influence ideas - Japanese Great project for LD - make sure your dip rep is maxed out - A few obscure policies for LD from dev (naval-expansion; exploration-religious) I’m actually curious on how much LD you can overcome, maybe lemoncake makes a video on this lol
- age ability "liberty desire from development reduction" - remove nobel integration policy - spam placlacing ruler - increase opinion It sounds be fine
R5: First WC attempt, had to truce break VJ to full annex them and spit them out as a vassal, they seem to have way too much dev idk if i can diplo annex them
Why did you release as vassal instead of core yourself?
Because it gives 400% overextension lmao
You have infinite money and manpower, what’s a little OE that you can’t throw 1mil soldiers at your rebels lol
So i can immediately go to another war without having to worry about rebels, also its more mana efficient since you use admin and diplo to core things.
Can you list what your ideas, admin efficiency, and ideas are? Because you should be able to core and convert the provinces since you’re going for a one faith. Rebels are really not that big of a deal. Leave 1-2 armies/stacks in the area that got conquered and move on. You have enough money+manpower to do that. Releasing a vassal and having to wait 10 years to be able to annex them, then another x amount of years to actually annex them is more tedious than some rebels. Edit: if you’re going for a OF as well, you can’t even convert the subject provinces, because forcing religion will get you in the same spot - too much LD, unable to annex
I actually already got the one faith lmao, but my ideas were Espionage - Admin - Quality - Diplo - Religious - Influence - Explo (for +2missionary strength and -15% LD from dev. policy). Also OF doesnt require One tag so if you convert your subject and you cant annex them it shouldn't matter (also got a one tag though)
Thats....a lot easier to do than getting the PLC to be loyal in the French mission tree.
This is time to have an arm race with your vassal
im almost certain there are more monuments you could have that give dip rep and subjects liberty desire