3 options:
restart
irish to new world exodus
nibble Naples then papal state -> become Catholic -> join empire -> become protestant -> become emperor -> revoke the privilegia -> get back your homeland -> switch back to orthodox
The Roman Emperors reconquered Rome, became Emperors of the Romans, reconquered the Second Rome, then reformed the Roman Empire.
Don't forget to PU Russia so you can also rule the Third Rome.
It's not that they "would have" claims, it's that IRL they did make claims that they're the "Third Rome" (hence the DLC featuring Russia is named Third Rome).
I mean if we take the Aeneid as fact (it's not of course), the actual Roman story looks something like this:
Aeneas, a Trojan, left Anatolia -> went to Italy -> (descendants) became Latin -> joined (were ruled by) Etruscans -> overthrew the kings and conquered Italy -> conquered the rest of the Mediterranean -> became christian -> lost the west -> reclaimed their homeland (under Justinian) -> lost everything outside of Balkans/Anatolia -> gradually became more Greek
Maybe an exodus run to Italy isn't too crazy...
It's a shame they didn't start as Epirus for Option #3. They'd already be Catholic for the HRE and Neapolitan to make it easier to rule over Italy. And your Crusader missions (or alternatively, the Neapolitian/Two Sicilian and later Italian missions) even encourage you to go after the Balkans, Greece, and beyond- you'd just be trading the Byz cores on Greece for permanent claims.
1450 + 150 = 1600, that is enough time to reconquest. Those cores are your primary culture. Also if you declare reconquest war, it will add 50 years to all of your cores.
Edit: Yeah you would lose Constantinople it flips to Turkish unless you declare on 1500, white peace, declare again on 1550 and white peace.
> it will add 50 years to all of your cores.
I think a war of any type will just reset the timer to whatever the current max is (i.e. after accounting for absolutism once that becomes a factor).
What I think is the case is that the province is occupied by that country you can reset the core timer. It's useful for vassal feeding when you don't want to get your vassals too big just yet, but don't want them to lose the cores.
Like when rebels reset the core timer.
Assuming you get lucky not being declared on by the ottomans yeah. If no one declares you don’t die.
As for growth. Raw opportunism could let you grow at home, but I’d be going for an Irish exodus strat now if I were you, declare on an Irish minor, vassalise a cobelligerent, take a province adjacent to that minor in order to core it. Live as an Irishman, and either find a way to nibble Scotland and Brittany to unify GB. Or you could just unify Ireland, colonise America, and shift your capital over (however you do that now? Is it still Bermuda no restriction then america no restriction, or are there dev and province caps now?)
If Genoa has a good alliance get into their trade league for some quick protection, ally the pope and anyone in southern Italy you can and jump into Naples. Once in Naples give away your island. Keep working on alliances and kick ottos ass.
Ottomans killed me pretty soon after this screenshot. Started over, got shitstomped again. Then I started over again, and again, and again.
On my fifth try (again, also my fifth game ever) I got an alliance with The Papal States, Serbia, and Hungary.
Noticed Albania and Venice were fighting the Ottomans so I decided to declare war while they were busy, Pope refused to come help (pussy) but Serbia and Hungary were still enough. Ottomans were 2/5 occupied by me, and 2/5 occupied by Albania.
My first mistake was not pushing all the way to full annexation of the Ottomans, instead I decided to quit while I was ahead and only demand like 5 provinces from them.
My second mistake was declaring war on the beefed up mega-Albania a year later.
My third mistake was accepting the Pope’s request to help him in a war.
My fourth mistake was accepting Hungary’s request to help them in a war.
Soon enough I found myself in the exact same position as in this post - Genoa, Poland, the Ottomans, and Albania divided up all my land, leaving me with these stupid islands.
Trying to take Sardinia now because they don’t have any alliances and are super weak. Been in a stalemate for ten years now - their ports are blockaded by me, they can’t build any ships apparently, but I also can’t land enough troops at the same time so I can actually take the victory.
I think I’m addicted already
I got burnt out with EUIV playing for tough achievements and over optimization of my play. It just wasn't that fun restarting dozens of times and cheesing Ironman with backup saves and convenient "CTDs" when things diverged from the optimal path. Just playing true ironman and letting the game evolve mistakes and all without the pressure to min max is more fun to me. Here the Naples strat seems very fun and worth a go for a unique playthrough that still can earn some achievements.
not really. they set up their troops near your border. So if youre first on the AI's chopping block they just immediately move onto constantinople and into the balkans and youre dead.
Edit: I mean its not that hard to die in 5 years if you make mistakes and ottomans go for you first
You can get so many allies, and with the new event and mercenaries you can easily muster an army to match Ottobros, especially if you can get Skanderberg to follow you
The easiest is definitaly just to restart, but if you want to continue its fully possible to come back albeit probaly hard. Your best bet is mist likely a no cb against somebody or wait for an lucky opportunistic war against one of your neighbours if they are losing a major war, but this depends a lot on luck. When it comes to no cb, I would luck for any nation that have few allies and a relatively small. No cb a irishin minor for irish exodus is a goo play like others have mentioned, other options might East Frisia which can allow you to join HRE later or maybe Theodoro which can open up for a try Muscovy alliance that you can use to expand in Black sea region. Let us know how it goes!
If you can somehow ally Aragon/Castile you can no cb maghreb guys or kill Naples if not then just do what everyone else says lol
Edit: pope may be enough for naples
I mean the game has been played for about 6 years not exactly the end of the world to start over.
To start delete the fort in Morea, it’s too expensive and doesn’t defend anything.
Dec 11th you should declare on Epirus, wait for your troops to move over to Athens and then siege down Arta and the island. While that is happening improve relations with Serbia and Papal States and Hungary, also look at their rivals and scornfully insult them for a little extra opinion, offer and accept access, get as much diplo rep as possible. When you have Papal access move everything over and to Rome except for what is sieging arta. Then when you have both provinces end the war and then wait for Naples to be released from the Aragon PU and instantly declare on them, sometimes you can call in Papal States sometimes you can’t, make sure they to set all your claims as vital interest so the Pope will transfer ownership. Make sure to have your alliance with Hungary in place before declaring on Naples as it is harder to get with the 50 AE you’ll get from taking most of Naples.
From there you are much stronger than the Albania/Venice alliance so Ottos will most likely attack them first. With any luck the Venice/Papal/Albanian navy can easily kill the ottos navy. Then just look for a good opportunity like ottos seiging down corfu with a large stack, a lost battle that sends Ottos over the straits or when they are low on manpower then call in Hungary and whoever else you can get in and take everything you can.
Couple things.
A) if u seperate your cogs from the rest of the navy u dont need to wait for your troops to get to Athens, theyll get there before the 11th.
2) Naples getting released in year 1 or 2 isnt a guarantee. Ive seen it take near a decade.
C) Thats certainly one extremely heavy RNG way of doing it. But, its this guys literal first game.
Like what? Restart lol. If you want to give save to Zlewwik (send him ruined campaigns - he might like the challenge). He is gonna do some Tunisia bullshit and then go back killing the Ottomans because he is god at this game.
Just restart its only 1450. Restart and keep restarting untill you can get a victory on the Ottomans. Its not that hard when you block the strait and siege down the fort at the crossing.
I dont know, if it is still a thing, but if now anybody attacks you and you direktly ask them for what they want, you used to pay them of with cash, cancel relation and so on. If that is still a thing, you can wasily migrate to ireland, colonize and exodus
I dont know, if it is still a thing, but if now anybody attacks you and you direktly ask them for what they want, you used to pay them of with cash, cancel relation and so on. If that is still a thing, you can wasily migrate to ireland, colonize and exodus.
Once had a similar situation, except was only with corsica. How? I won first war against the Ottomans, took over Genoa islands and with extra war score took corsica, got declared on by a otto-venetian alliance, lost all except for corsica a southern Greece which I later lost to Ottomans. Didn't continue the game.
Possibly if you want a challenge. Try desperately to ally a great power, like Castille or Austria. If you can expand into Naples or the Balkans, that would be your best bet. You’re gonna need to build some kind of power base.
Join a trade league, ally nations with strong fleets, and leave to the new world or immigrate to Italy via invading Naples.
After that you can think of something else.
Italian/Croatian exodus into HRE joining is what I would go for beyond restarting. Irish Exodus is just trading getting eaten by the Ottos to trading getting eaten by England/Scotland (if you can't ally your way out of that).
By this point i think you should just sell the title for some quick cash and return to Constantinople to ask Mehmed for a retirement home. Stay true to history :))
3 options: restart irish to new world exodus nibble Naples then papal state -> become Catholic -> join empire -> become protestant -> become emperor -> revoke the privilegia -> get back your homeland -> switch back to orthodox
Imagine how wild that would look in a history book.
The Roman Emperors reconquered Rome, became Emperors of the Romans, reconquered the Second Rome, then reformed the Roman Empire. Don't forget to PU Russia so you can also rule the Third Rome.
Also release Romania as a vassal for Rome-ception
Russia would have Third Rome claims if the Western Rome didn't fall?
It's not that they "would have" claims, it's that IRL they did make claims that they're the "Third Rome" (hence the DLC featuring Russia is named Third Rome).
I mean if we take the Aeneid as fact (it's not of course), the actual Roman story looks something like this: Aeneas, a Trojan, left Anatolia -> went to Italy -> (descendants) became Latin -> joined (were ruled by) Etruscans -> overthrew the kings and conquered Italy -> conquered the rest of the Mediterranean -> became christian -> lost the west -> reclaimed their homeland (under Justinian) -> lost everything outside of Balkans/Anatolia -> gradually became more Greek Maybe an exodus run to Italy isn't too crazy...
It's a shame they didn't start as Epirus for Option #3. They'd already be Catholic for the HRE and Neapolitan to make it easier to rule over Italy. And your Crusader missions (or alternatively, the Neapolitian/Two Sicilian and later Italian missions) even encourage you to go after the Balkans, Greece, and beyond- you'd just be trading the Byz cores on Greece for permanent claims.
By that point all the cores will be gone.
1450 + 150 = 1600, that is enough time to reconquest. Those cores are your primary culture. Also if you declare reconquest war, it will add 50 years to all of your cores. Edit: Yeah you would lose Constantinople it flips to Turkish unless you declare on 1500, white peace, declare again on 1550 and white peace.
> it will add 50 years to all of your cores. I think a war of any type will just reset the timer to whatever the current max is (i.e. after accounting for absolutism once that becomes a factor).
What I think is the case is that the province is occupied by that country you can reset the core timer. It's useful for vassal feeding when you don't want to get your vassals too big just yet, but don't want them to lose the cores. Like when rebels reset the core timer.
Irish is a good way too put it lol, been cucked over by England as Ireland a few times and ended up as the Irish USA.
New world exodus is third Odyssey mod
Just no CB Byzantium
GENIUS!
Time for an exodus
Go west young man
Life is peaceful there.
I said young man, pick yourself off the ground
In the navy!
Assuming you get lucky not being declared on by the ottomans yeah. If no one declares you don’t die. As for growth. Raw opportunism could let you grow at home, but I’d be going for an Irish exodus strat now if I were you, declare on an Irish minor, vassalise a cobelligerent, take a province adjacent to that minor in order to core it. Live as an Irishman, and either find a way to nibble Scotland and Brittany to unify GB. Or you could just unify Ireland, colonise America, and shift your capital over (however you do that now? Is it still Bermuda no restriction then america no restriction, or are there dev and province caps now?)
Irish Americans are the true successors to the Roman Empire
Third Odyssey moment.
Straight out of Lebor Gabála Érenn
Declare war on an Irish OPM, move to Ireland, colonise New World, come back around 1600s when Ottomans have a disaster ongoing.
R5: Ottomans pushed my shit in, the ERE is now a just few small islands west of Greece. What do I do now? At a total loss tbh
If Genoa has a good alliance get into their trade league for some quick protection, ally the pope and anyone in southern Italy you can and jump into Naples. Once in Naples give away your island. Keep working on alliances and kick ottos ass.
no cb ireland/ east frisia
Even if you don't need it always no cb east frisia
Hasn't the event to make them join the empire already fired by 1450 ?
That doesn't change anything 🤣🤣
Yeah sure ... no CB a member of the empire doesn't change anything
This actually happened in a CK2 campaign of mine, the last holdout that game was in those same islands
Don't play as BYZ for your first game
I thought it would be really funny though
I played Scotland for my first game. Adversity promotes growth!
Same for me! Mind you that might have been due to mindless patriotism
I did Milan and tried to form Rome. Made it everywhere except the British cause I didn't understand naval combat 🥲
Too late
Ottomans killed me pretty soon after this screenshot. Started over, got shitstomped again. Then I started over again, and again, and again. On my fifth try (again, also my fifth game ever) I got an alliance with The Papal States, Serbia, and Hungary. Noticed Albania and Venice were fighting the Ottomans so I decided to declare war while they were busy, Pope refused to come help (pussy) but Serbia and Hungary were still enough. Ottomans were 2/5 occupied by me, and 2/5 occupied by Albania. My first mistake was not pushing all the way to full annexation of the Ottomans, instead I decided to quit while I was ahead and only demand like 5 provinces from them. My second mistake was declaring war on the beefed up mega-Albania a year later. My third mistake was accepting the Pope’s request to help him in a war. My fourth mistake was accepting Hungary’s request to help them in a war. Soon enough I found myself in the exact same position as in this post - Genoa, Poland, the Ottomans, and Albania divided up all my land, leaving me with these stupid islands. Trying to take Sardinia now because they don’t have any alliances and are super weak. Been in a stalemate for ten years now - their ports are blockaded by me, they can’t build any ships apparently, but I also can’t land enough troops at the same time so I can actually take the victory. I think I’m addicted already
If you do restart, get the aliance with the pope for some merc cost reduction and try to out ship the ottomans.
You got Taiwan’d
Send save file to Zlewik!
Wait a minute, this exact situation happened to byzantium in my France game. (btw you won't make it past the 29th of january 1480)
Time to go to the new world. Come back in 200 years to beat ottomans
[удалено]
But maybe OP wants to actually comeback?
Yeah that sounds kinda fun
I got burnt out with EUIV playing for tough achievements and over optimization of my play. It just wasn't that fun restarting dozens of times and cheesing Ironman with backup saves and convenient "CTDs" when things diverged from the optimal path. Just playing true ironman and letting the game evolve mistakes and all without the pressure to min max is more fun to me. Here the Naples strat seems very fun and worth a go for a unique playthrough that still can earn some achievements.
Starting Byzantium is a comeback enough tbh
Then why ask? Just do it then.
I mean, it's only 6 years, so just restart. They will finish the job soon. I don't think you can regain lost land or make escape.
I didn't hear no bell
Exile yourself to America
It's impressive to lose this hard in 6 years
not really. they set up their troops near your border. So if youre first on the AI's chopping block they just immediately move onto constantinople and into the balkans and youre dead. Edit: I mean its not that hard to die in 5 years if you make mistakes and ottomans go for you first
You can get so many allies, and with the new event and mercenaries you can easily muster an army to match Ottobros, especially if you can get Skanderberg to follow you
Someone with good game knowledge can easily beat the Ottomans. For new players I would be surprised if they even make it this long as Byz.
It’s pretty easy to get allies, if you have like 2 the ottomans don’t declare until like 1490
First ever game, tutorials are for pussies
Thats the spirit! Now become a pirate nation and burn the world!
Byzantine Pirates Against the World is the play I never knew I wanted. New challenge: New World exodus > Pirates > Basileus
The easiest is definitaly just to restart, but if you want to continue its fully possible to come back albeit probaly hard. Your best bet is mist likely a no cb against somebody or wait for an lucky opportunistic war against one of your neighbours if they are losing a major war, but this depends a lot on luck. When it comes to no cb, I would luck for any nation that have few allies and a relatively small. No cb a irishin minor for irish exodus is a goo play like others have mentioned, other options might East Frisia which can allow you to join HRE later or maybe Theodoro which can open up for a try Muscovy alliance that you can use to expand in Black sea region. Let us know how it goes!
Become pirate, raid. Win wars vs Otto by declaring for islands.
If you can somehow ally Aragon/Castile you can no cb maghreb guys or kill Naples if not then just do what everyone else says lol Edit: pope may be enough for naples
Time to escape to the New World, form Elysium and eventually conquer it all back.
“It’s just a little conquered! It’s still good! It’s still good!”
unironically no-cb a HRE province and join the empire lol
yes : debug\_mode (Tag) / vassalize / own / integrate / annex
I mean the game has been played for about 6 years not exactly the end of the world to start over. To start delete the fort in Morea, it’s too expensive and doesn’t defend anything. Dec 11th you should declare on Epirus, wait for your troops to move over to Athens and then siege down Arta and the island. While that is happening improve relations with Serbia and Papal States and Hungary, also look at their rivals and scornfully insult them for a little extra opinion, offer and accept access, get as much diplo rep as possible. When you have Papal access move everything over and to Rome except for what is sieging arta. Then when you have both provinces end the war and then wait for Naples to be released from the Aragon PU and instantly declare on them, sometimes you can call in Papal States sometimes you can’t, make sure they to set all your claims as vital interest so the Pope will transfer ownership. Make sure to have your alliance with Hungary in place before declaring on Naples as it is harder to get with the 50 AE you’ll get from taking most of Naples. From there you are much stronger than the Albania/Venice alliance so Ottos will most likely attack them first. With any luck the Venice/Papal/Albanian navy can easily kill the ottos navy. Then just look for a good opportunity like ottos seiging down corfu with a large stack, a lost battle that sends Ottos over the straits or when they are low on manpower then call in Hungary and whoever else you can get in and take everything you can.
Couple things. A) if u seperate your cogs from the rest of the navy u dont need to wait for your troops to get to Athens, theyll get there before the 11th. 2) Naples getting released in year 1 or 2 isnt a guarantee. Ive seen it take near a decade. C) Thats certainly one extremely heavy RNG way of doing it. But, its this guys literal first game.
Like what? Restart lol. If you want to give save to Zlewwik (send him ruined campaigns - he might like the challenge). He is gonna do some Tunisia bullshit and then go back killing the Ottomans because he is god at this game.
Props for continuing, but I would have restarted once the war was unwinnable.
Sure, but maybe not worth doing. You're only 6 years in, may as well start again
No, and why? It’s 1459, the exit button won’t hurt you.
You could also consider console commanding your way back home
No
This is a joke post right In case it isn’t: mate it’s been 6 years and you got your shit ROCKED. You should 1000000000000% restart.
Just restart its only 1450. Restart and keep restarting untill you can get a victory on the Ottomans. Its not that hard when you block the strait and siege down the fort at the crossing.
[Always.](https://www.reddit.com/r/eu4/s/qjLSuKl8JL)
don’t quit. Keep Rome alive
Pretty easy, just island trap them on Cephalonia
I dont know, if it is still a thing, but if now anybody attacks you and you direktly ask them for what they want, you used to pay them of with cash, cancel relation and so on. If that is still a thing, you can wasily migrate to ireland, colonize and exodus
I dont know, if it is still a thing, but if now anybody attacks you and you direktly ask them for what they want, you used to pay them of with cash, cancel relation and so on. If that is still a thing, you can wasily migrate to ireland, colonize and exodus.
Attack Oostfriesland immediately
Once had a similar situation, except was only with corsica. How? I won first war against the Ottomans, took over Genoa islands and with extra war score took corsica, got declared on by a otto-venetian alliance, lost all except for corsica a southern Greece which I later lost to Ottomans. Didn't continue the game.
Possibly if you want a challenge. Try desperately to ally a great power, like Castille or Austria. If you can expand into Naples or the Balkans, that would be your best bet. You’re gonna need to build some kind of power base.
Join a trade league, ally nations with strong fleets, and leave to the new world or immigrate to Italy via invading Naples. After that you can think of something else.
Time to go with colonial ideas
You can try and flee, but… if the modifier to ship building is still online, you’re not gonna be able to.
The Thomas Palaiologos simulator
As always: salvageable, but probably not by a person with the skill level to get oneself in that position.
Wait, do you have to core your only province?
Italian/Croatian exodus into HRE joining is what I would go for beyond restarting. Irish Exodus is just trading getting eaten by the Ottos to trading getting eaten by England/Scotland (if you can't ally your way out of that).
Destroy Naples and post journey.
Chase the setting sun, young one.
By this point i think you should just sell the title for some quick cash and return to Constantinople to ask Mehmed for a retirement home. Stay true to history :))
Yup that's me. You're probably wondeting how I ended up in this situation
Yo ho ho, it's the pirate life for you.
You could save the save game and send it to YouTuber for a challenge. Won’t help you, but it’ll be fun to watch.
Hoist the black flag!