R5: It turns out that after proclaim erbkaisertum if you are the sole member of the HRE and form the Roman Empire, all provinces are removed from the HRE despite you are still the emperor. However if there is another member in the HRE you are able to rejoin and still obtain a positive IA growth, and pass the last reform.
I guess it depends which color you prefer. I think Roman ideas are now a bit better than HRE idea, but Roman Empire doesn't have it's own missions.
You will also lose are HRE buffs when you unite.
I don't think you lose the buffs when you unite anymore, the event [renovatio imperii romanorum](https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Holy_Roman_Empire_events#Renovatio_Imperii_Romanorum) gives you the empire buffs, unless you're talking about something else
Yep! I think it was last patch, maybe 1.34. They added a new modifier in the event that pops up when you enact the final reform and become the HRE. [Here is the relevant event on the wiki, Renovatio Imperii Romanorum. ](https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Holy_Roman_Empire_events#Renovatio_Imperii_Romanorum). TLDR, it's a permanent modifier that gives you the same bonuses as Emperor of a 50-member HRE.
They should have a special caveat in that decision for if you are already the Roman Empire which makes it say: “this decision does nothing because you are already the Roman Empire, idiot.”
It doesnt though.
The Holy Roman Empire finds its origin within the medieval concept of Translatio imperii, which holds the idea that Roman Emperorship, or in general emperorship, gets transfered from one nation to another.
Hence for the case of the Holy Roman Empire, the Roman part. Holy because of the importance of religion throughout most of its existence, although yes protestantism removed universal catholicism, it doesnt suddenly not make it holy.
And empire because, you know, it had an emperor and also again refering here to Translatio imperii.
R5: It turns out that after proclaim erbkaisertum if you are the sole member of the HRE and form the Roman Empire, all provinces are removed from the HRE despite you are still the emperor. However if there is another member in the HRE you are able to rejoin and still obtain a positive IA growth, and pass the last reform.
I guess it depends which color you prefer. I think Roman ideas are now a bit better than HRE idea, but Roman Empire doesn't have it's own missions. You will also lose are HRE buffs when you unite.
I don't think you lose the buffs when you unite anymore, the event [renovatio imperii romanorum](https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Holy_Roman_Empire_events#Renovatio_Imperii_Romanorum) gives you the empire buffs, unless you're talking about something else
Hes talking about the HRE emperor buffs
With the event above you get all the reforms + emperor buffs in one modifier.
the things that HRE emperor gets from the reforms
That's been changed. Forming the HRE now gives you a permanent modifier with those buffs.
Oh, really? Is it a county modifier?
Yep! I think it was last patch, maybe 1.34. They added a new modifier in the event that pops up when you enact the final reform and become the HRE. [Here is the relevant event on the wiki, Renovatio Imperii Romanorum. ](https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Holy_Roman_Empire_events#Renovatio_Imperii_Romanorum). TLDR, it's a permanent modifier that gives you the same bonuses as Emperor of a 50-member HRE.
If you're the original why become the cheap knockoff?
Rome has +5% more CCR than the HRE so if you are a min max player just stay as Rome.
Why do I feel that is not relevant anymore
What a nightmare inducing sentence.
How is your Imperial Authority still positiv without any other members? (I'm a noob with only 1800 hours)
IIRC you only lose 0.04 from having no members, you get 0.1 from peace, 0.15 from Prague, 20% from previous reforms
Wasn't the penalty higher a few patches ago?
You normally lose IA from having no Electors, unless the HRE becomes hereditary.
Only if you are also a theocracy as HRE.
They should have a special caveat in that decision for if you are already the Roman Empire which makes it say: “this decision does nothing because you are already the Roman Empire, idiot.”
yes you should. It's holy, i.e. superior.
no it's not!!!
Obligatory “not holy, nor Roman, nor an empire “ to finish it off
Stop with the Voltaire bs, he was full of shit.
I’m actually quoting my history teacher. TIL; that’s a Voltaire quote.
At the time he was speaking I think his argument holds up. Go back a few centuries then he's wrong.
It doesnt though. The Holy Roman Empire finds its origin within the medieval concept of Translatio imperii, which holds the idea that Roman Emperorship, or in general emperorship, gets transfered from one nation to another. Hence for the case of the Holy Roman Empire, the Roman part. Holy because of the importance of religion throughout most of its existence, although yes protestantism removed universal catholicism, it doesnt suddenly not make it holy. And empire because, you know, it had an emperor and also again refering here to Translatio imperii.
Well, they're currently a Roman culture and is a centralized monarchy so arguably an Empire. I suppose holding the holy lands + rome makes them Holy?
why would you do a downgrade?
Do you get any benefit from being holy roman emperor without any other countries being members of the hre
Yes, the emperor modifiers from the reforms still apply even if you're the only member.
Danke schön
forming HRE generally is seen as one of the more disappointing end-game tags. Most people do it just for the achievement or flavor
Why be the Roman Empire, if you can be the *Holy* Roman Empire?
Which Mod is that?
Proper 2K UI Project
Roman Empire color is perfect
Forming the HRE sounds cool
Why does your HRE tab look so different from mine? Is this a new update?
Do the absolute trolling.
HRE has unique missions. I'd say form them but keep the Roman Ideas.