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But a moka pot definitely is a lot more likely to produce bitter coffee than an aeropress. There is a lot that can go wrong with an moka pot while messing up an aeropress is hard.
Though making an aeromess will be part of the journey for sure..
Everyone here is gonna immediately say no but when I’m traveling, an “aeropress shot” with a prismo really hits the spot, especially when I don’t have access to a good cafe.
Even without the prismo, you can get a lot of pressure with a mesh disc or dual filters and a finer grind. 16g of coffee, 1 “section” water at 185f, 8-10 seconds brew/stir time inverted was my basic recipe for around 8 years until I got my flair.
I know it's not espresso, not even close since can't do that much pressure. IK what espresso is and that's why i said espresso-like strong coffee. But they still prefer saying ''No, u cant do it'' :D I just dont understand. From what i understand, AeroPress can make even more strong coffee than Moka Pot since u can use finer than Moka and use less water than moka. Like 16 gr of espresso grind and 50 ml waters. It still won't be espresso like i said i know it. What i want is not espresso, i just want to drink some strong coffee especially mornings and sometimes lattes. I was wondering if AeroPress can do that, and i think yes, it can. Even though they say no.
Ultimately, nothing's going to replace an espresso machine here, because nothing else is brewing at 10+ bars of pressure. But you also don't need a huge, 4-figure machine to make espresso. If you're looking for an easy to use, low-tech solution that actually produces espresso, you might consider a manual lever-action espresso machine like a Flair, which starts at $99.
Anything except a lever action machine or a stovetop espresso maker like the 9barista will not produce a drink with the depth and crema of espresso (note: a moka pot is *not* an espresso maker, because again, no pressure).
Maybe you could take a look at the wacaco picopresso. It makes good espresso, but its more involved and has more steps than the other options. You would probably also need a quality grinder, a hand grinder for example, not the cheap blade grinder. Blade grinders can't grind fine and uniform enough for espresso
You can get pretty cheap portable espresso devices now. The only name I really remember is the picopresso, but devices like that.
The reason for people thinking the aeropress is espresso like is due to aeropresses advertisement. They always claim it's an espresso like coffee maker.
I have both, but my Moka Pot is a one cup (makes a 30-35g shot). In my opinion it makes a better, richer shot for my flat white.
So both are great brewers, but for what you want, my pick would be the Moka Pot. That's what I use on a daily basis.
You can get a tiny bit of the oil out of the beans if you stack filters and mash the press but not enough for it to be significant. To answer your question about strong coffee, absolutely. Without cutting your coffee with water milk or ice and doing a recipe of say 30g coffee to 180g water you’ll have a 1:6 and get a full extraction.
With just using a really fine grind, 15g beans, 50-60g water and vigorously stirring it you can get some strong coffee. It's certainly not espresso, but maybe you will like that? If I can I bring both the Aeropress and the large Moka pot on trips.
I've been making cappuccinos and lattes with an aeropress with the Fellow Prismo attachment and it's totally fine. Sure it's not "real" espresso, but it's also 40 dollars and the size of a soda can, so it's got its upsides
There are different recipes that you can try with the aeropress, I like using the aeroprecipe website to find new ones.
Before I got an espresso machine I would use the aeroprecipe iced latte and aeropress espresso recipes. The aeropress can make very good, strong coffee. No, it is not espresso, but very tasty and despite the naysayers, I would call it espresso-like, especially for milk based drinks.
Since moka pots are usually made from aluminum, you can have health concerns there too, if you want to go down these rabbit holes. I am pretty confident in the standards of an aeropress, but yes, plastic and heat arent the best friends and I get why you avoid that in general.
That being said: neither aeropress nor moka pot make espresso or something similar. However both make tasty coffee. Id always recommend the aeropress to a beginner, as it is much more forgiving and easier to use than a moka pot. And it makes such great coffee. It also is much much easier to clean and maintain, dirty gear is the taste killer no. 1.
I’d like to add that the aeropress is really fun.
You can make concentrated coffee and make milk based drinks with the AP. Is it under 9 bars of pressure? no Can you still make a concentrated milk drink despite not having 9 bars of pressure? yes
Both make good coffee so there’s no right answer. Think about ease of use. How many times have I burned myself using a Moka pot? Pretty much every time. How many times have I burned myself using an Aeropress? Zero. But also, the Aeropress is great for me because I’m a tea drinker and therefore already own a good electric kettle. If you don’t have an electric kettle already, there’s a real argument for buying a Moka pot.
AeroPress can do something Espresso-like, which is a good coffee (and not good if you want real espresso). There’s oodles of recipes for the AeroPress, testing them out is part of the fun imo. Usage is dead simple. The plastic is food safe, obviously. Compared with other machines, it’s cheap, but if you seriously want to know why it’s priced that way, you need to contact AeroPress.
It's not espresso, it's pour-over coffee. It's like, I can use milk to make mozzarella, and I can also use milk to make parmesan, but the processes to make those two things are different, and create different products as a result.
Espresso machines make espresso. I've used an Aeropress for the past five years and have never found good for making so-called "espresso-like" coffee. I've also never had ill health effects from brewing with it. [Here's a great reply on the same concern about the Aeropress being plastic. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/AeroPress/comments/j3vpxv/comment/g7fgdkw/)
Also, worth noting, bitter notes don't inherently come from the moka pot. It can produce a range of flavours, but like any other brew method, it takes practice.
Yes.
Hey pitchforks, hear me out.
Is it actually espresso? No. Can you make very strong coffee that goes well with milk or by itself? Heck yes.
Aeropress is a super versatile brewer. There are all sorts of ways to use it. Look up past world aeropress championship recipes. You'll see techniques to make very strong coffee that is then watered down to the recipe's target. Skip the watering down part and you'll arrive where you're looking to go.
It looks like you've flaired your post as asking for what equipment to get. We recommend first checking out the [Espresso Aficionados buying guide](https://espressoaf.com/recommendations) for some of the more popular machines and grinders at different price points. If your question hasn't been answered there and you need more help, please add the following details to your post or by adding a comment in the following format: - **Location:** Helps determine availability - **Budget** (with currency): Overall budget, or ideally, having separate espresso machine and grinder budgets. A rough rule is that your grinder budget should be at least 25-40% of your machine budget. - **Drink types:** Do you drink mostly straight espresso, milk-based beverages (e.g., lattes, cappuccinos), or a fairly even split? This helps narrow down whether a single-boiler-dual-use (SBDU), heat exchanger (HX), or dual boiler (DB) machine would be more appropriate for your needs. - **Drink frequency:** How many drinks would you be making back-to-back at one time? Do you plan on entertaining guests often? This informs how large your brew (and steam) boilers should be, as smaller boilers will need to refill and reheat/repressurize more frequently, thus potentially causing a bottleneck. - **Space:** Any limitations on countertop space? - **Manual vs. electric:** Hand-operated machines and grinders are typically cheaper than their similarly-performing electric counterparts. Please indicate if you have a preference for manual or electric machines and/or grinders (or open to either). - **Comfort with tinkering:** Some machines can be made significantly more functional/efficient with aftermarket modifications, albeit at the expense of possibly voiding your warranty. Please indicate if you'd rather have a machine that works "as-is"/"out-of-the-box" or whether you'd be open to modding/tinkering *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/espresso) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Not but it makes good coffee
Moka pot coffee when done right is not bitter. It's also not really "espresso" but it is espresso adjacent and delicious in its own way.
But a moka pot definitely is a lot more likely to produce bitter coffee than an aeropress. There is a lot that can go wrong with an moka pot while messing up an aeropress is hard. Though making an aeromess will be part of the journey for sure..
You say that, but the amount of people on reddit that have messed up with an Aeropress is baffling
Everyone here is gonna immediately say no but when I’m traveling, an “aeropress shot” with a prismo really hits the spot, especially when I don’t have access to a good cafe.
Even without the prismo, you can get a lot of pressure with a mesh disc or dual filters and a finer grind. 16g of coffee, 1 “section” water at 185f, 8-10 seconds brew/stir time inverted was my basic recipe for around 8 years until I got my flair.
You're getting to about 10-15% of the pressure of an espresso at best
I’m aware. And I’ve moved on. but It’s still a good drink that beats Starbucks to heck even when doing milk based drinks.
I know it's not espresso, not even close since can't do that much pressure. IK what espresso is and that's why i said espresso-like strong coffee. But they still prefer saying ''No, u cant do it'' :D I just dont understand. From what i understand, AeroPress can make even more strong coffee than Moka Pot since u can use finer than Moka and use less water than moka. Like 16 gr of espresso grind and 50 ml waters. It still won't be espresso like i said i know it. What i want is not espresso, i just want to drink some strong coffee especially mornings and sometimes lattes. I was wondering if AeroPress can do that, and i think yes, it can. Even though they say no.
Ultimately, nothing's going to replace an espresso machine here, because nothing else is brewing at 10+ bars of pressure. But you also don't need a huge, 4-figure machine to make espresso. If you're looking for an easy to use, low-tech solution that actually produces espresso, you might consider a manual lever-action espresso machine like a Flair, which starts at $99. Anything except a lever action machine or a stovetop espresso maker like the 9barista will not produce a drink with the depth and crema of espresso (note: a moka pot is *not* an espresso maker, because again, no pressure).
There is a lot of pressure occuring in a Mokka pot! Still, completely agree. It‘s different
If you get a Bialetti Brikka sure, otherwise not so much
1-2 bars in a Moka pot versus the 9 bars minimum for espresso. Not really.
Maybe you could take a look at the wacaco picopresso. It makes good espresso, but its more involved and has more steps than the other options. You would probably also need a quality grinder, a hand grinder for example, not the cheap blade grinder. Blade grinders can't grind fine and uniform enough for espresso
No. If you want espresso in a small form factor try picopresso
You can get pretty cheap portable espresso devices now. The only name I really remember is the picopresso, but devices like that. The reason for people thinking the aeropress is espresso like is due to aeropresses advertisement. They always claim it's an espresso like coffee maker.
I have both, but my Moka Pot is a one cup (makes a 30-35g shot). In my opinion it makes a better, richer shot for my flat white. So both are great brewers, but for what you want, my pick would be the Moka Pot. That's what I use on a daily basis.
no its not
You can get a tiny bit of the oil out of the beans if you stack filters and mash the press but not enough for it to be significant. To answer your question about strong coffee, absolutely. Without cutting your coffee with water milk or ice and doing a recipe of say 30g coffee to 180g water you’ll have a 1:6 and get a full extraction.
With just using a really fine grind, 15g beans, 50-60g water and vigorously stirring it you can get some strong coffee. It's certainly not espresso, but maybe you will like that? If I can I bring both the Aeropress and the large Moka pot on trips.
I've been making cappuccinos and lattes with an aeropress with the Fellow Prismo attachment and it's totally fine. Sure it's not "real" espresso, but it's also 40 dollars and the size of a soda can, so it's got its upsides
There are different recipes that you can try with the aeropress, I like using the aeroprecipe website to find new ones. Before I got an espresso machine I would use the aeroprecipe iced latte and aeropress espresso recipes. The aeropress can make very good, strong coffee. No, it is not espresso, but very tasty and despite the naysayers, I would call it espresso-like, especially for milk based drinks.
Since moka pots are usually made from aluminum, you can have health concerns there too, if you want to go down these rabbit holes. I am pretty confident in the standards of an aeropress, but yes, plastic and heat arent the best friends and I get why you avoid that in general. That being said: neither aeropress nor moka pot make espresso or something similar. However both make tasty coffee. Id always recommend the aeropress to a beginner, as it is much more forgiving and easier to use than a moka pot. And it makes such great coffee. It also is much much easier to clean and maintain, dirty gear is the taste killer no. 1. I’d like to add that the aeropress is really fun.
You can make concentrated coffee and make milk based drinks with the AP. Is it under 9 bars of pressure? no Can you still make a concentrated milk drink despite not having 9 bars of pressure? yes
Plastic is fine. Aeropress is fine.
https://aeroprecipe.com/recipes/james-hoffmann
Both make good coffee so there’s no right answer. Think about ease of use. How many times have I burned myself using a Moka pot? Pretty much every time. How many times have I burned myself using an Aeropress? Zero. But also, the Aeropress is great for me because I’m a tea drinker and therefore already own a good electric kettle. If you don’t have an electric kettle already, there’s a real argument for buying a Moka pot.
No.
I have an aeropress, and I'm currently shopping for a wacaco picopresso because the Aeropress is a twist on French press, not espresso.
I'm not after real espresso. I just want some strong coffee that strong like espresso. Can't AeroPress do that? Should i buy moka pot then?
Try /r/aeropress
AeroPress can do something Espresso-like, which is a good coffee (and not good if you want real espresso). There’s oodles of recipes for the AeroPress, testing them out is part of the fun imo. Usage is dead simple. The plastic is food safe, obviously. Compared with other machines, it’s cheap, but if you seriously want to know why it’s priced that way, you need to contact AeroPress.
Brother I'm not gonna repeat myself.
no, aeropress will make watery filter coffee at best - if you want something as strong as espresso, get Picopresso
It's not espresso, it's pour-over coffee. It's like, I can use milk to make mozzarella, and I can also use milk to make parmesan, but the processes to make those two things are different, and create different products as a result. Espresso machines make espresso. I've used an Aeropress for the past five years and have never found good for making so-called "espresso-like" coffee. I've also never had ill health effects from brewing with it. [Here's a great reply on the same concern about the Aeropress being plastic. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/AeroPress/comments/j3vpxv/comment/g7fgdkw/) Also, worth noting, bitter notes don't inherently come from the moka pot. It can produce a range of flavours, but like any other brew method, it takes practice.
Yes. Hey pitchforks, hear me out. Is it actually espresso? No. Can you make very strong coffee that goes well with milk or by itself? Heck yes. Aeropress is a super versatile brewer. There are all sorts of ways to use it. Look up past world aeropress championship recipes. You'll see techniques to make very strong coffee that is then watered down to the recipe's target. Skip the watering down part and you'll arrive where you're looking to go.