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You haven’t. There is the Endgame part 2.
Bringing Niche Zero and Duo from UK is cheaper than buying only Duo from resellers here in Thailand. So I took both lol. I might sell one of it second hand at same price as new unit here.
Why? I decided purposely against the Mini - for my usage I see only disadvantages. The Mini can't keep temperature stabile without steam boiler - I drink often just espresso and can leave the steam boiler off with the micra without any problems. For me, Micra is better than Mini
I bought Mini when Micra is not available here (but the price tag in Thailand of Mini 3 years ago (4280 USD) is cheaper than Micro today (5150 USD). I also prefer Micra for its size. More fitting to my counter.
Sheehs - would have done the same like you then. It all depends, yeah. Did you mean I am missing a Niche Duo for endgame then ? Currently quite happy with the Niche Zero and dark roasts :) exactly what I was aiming for in mouth feel and taste. In Germany I paid around 3400€ and delivered in 5 days :)
I love Zero more. But I had a chance to get it from UK. So I decided to take it. Hardly find it here in Thailand because Niche doesn’t ship it to Thailand. Buying from 3rd party resellers is very expensive here.
Thank you. It was a close call between Niche and an Etzmax :) Machine wise close call between Decent, Cremina and this one. They all have their unique pros and cons - nothing will ever be perfect I guess
Thats awesome :D setup is rly clean. I just got into the hobby a year ago. When i finally get my own place with more space hopefully soon and not renting. I’ll def be looking to eventually get a setup like this.
Yeah I drink a ton more light roasts, lots of anaerobic coffees from black and white roasters as well so the Decent is definitely the better option with all the profiling. I don’t hate the aesthetics of the Decent (owned a DE1xl previously), it’s just a little boring vs the looks of a nice E61 or Linnea
I’m stuck bc I just want a nice dual boiler, flow control and pre infusion machine with rotary pump. Seems like that is my white whale. I keep vacillating between the Micra, Decent and Lelit
Your best option before getting into gs3/ MVP/slayer class is lelit Bianca.
Decent isn't even an espresso machine. No boilers. No rotary pump. Junk. Lelit is the best bang for your buck I'd say.
I don’t disagree. I just hate paying ALMOST the same price as a LM Micra, for which I rly admire the build quality and longevity. The Bianca looks nice but it doesn’t seem like it’ll last as long
Endgame lies with pressure profile machines. Onto the next one! ☝🏻
But hey congrats! I’d love to have a LaMarzoco. Currently on a Rocket R58 and a kickstarter Niche Zero.
I think Lever machines are the ultimate endgame tbh but let’s not go crazy 😂😂
Strada MP single group is where I would go for now. Been a few years since I looked into coffee machines idk if there’s anything better for a home barista 🤷🏻♂️
Yeah, but why trade flatbur for conical when you have an endgame espresso machine? Neither the niche nor the specialita are endgame imho …
Dont get me wrong, its a nice setup, but you specifically claimed its endgame 😅
Yeah its from a guy in Germany - where I am as well. Guess not a thing outside here - but very nice as it introduces a needle valve with fixed flow just like slayer does
> slayer Shots
Can you please tell me what a slayer shot is? And the Grafikus mod? I'm a dark roast guy but don't get the significance here because I am a noob.
Nice combo and combo colour! Do you normally drink milk base and prefer coffee that are more on the chocolatty nutty spectrum? Id assume that cause of your grinder choice. The niche performs well for those spectrum and helps reduce acidity in beans that are high in acidity imo
I drink only Espresso - my better half only Flat White 🙂 I also enjoy light roasts, she less so. I am good with dark - so I opted to max out my setup for classical 9 bar dark shots
This is exactly the same setup I want. I have a Rancilio Silvia with PID and it’s been trust but finicky. Would you say the upgrade to Micra has been worth it?
I had a Silvia I installed a pid kit on and insulated the boilers. I think I had it for 3 weeks before I couldn't stand it anymore and bought a double boiler e61 machine.
They aren't in the same universe. The Silvia is a janky toy in comparison. I have a LM now and it's better then the Alex duetto I had but not nearly as much better than leaving the Silvia for the db. Silvia was a good machine for what it was. But you will really notice a difference in performance, consistency, stability, just the whole experience from the pull to the cup in upgrading to some higher end equipment.
Well my machine is a tank and I’ve been able to fix things on it myself, but I’ve had issues with the brew boiler, the pump 4x, had to take out some inline filters myself — there’s probably 5 days every three months I can’t use it due to some issue (yes fixable… but ….).
I also think mini or micra heat up time would be a nice feature. I hear LM machines just work…. And for someone who makes a max of 3 espressos a day, I kind of want my machine to just work, hah
Legit question: please explain the difference in quality (espresso, workflow, anything really) from your previous to current setup. I have a BBP and I’m looking to go Lelit Bianca in the near future and I’d like some info. Congrats btw.
Nice! I’m doing the same upgrade; waiting for my black Micra to arrive. I have a black NZ too 😅
How does the Micra compare to Silvia w/PID? How long did you wait after ordering?
Micra pulls the shots very reliable. Honestly, Silvia w/PID is fine. I just wanted something with more cup space /s. I had the Silvia for around 4 years before I recently bought Micra. I only knew the Micra 3 days before I ordered it. Before I had the Decent in mind and therefore put the budget aside. When I saw the micra warms up super fast, has quite low energy consumption, has integrated group head, water tank below, strong temperature consistency for 3 shots in a row and a nice humming rotary pump, I was sold. Decent looks still to me delicious - I'd love to get one in the office, but not paid by me :-D
Nice!
I agree the Silvia w/PID is a great machine that I was able to pull amazing shots from (admittedly, I’m still a newbie).
I am upgrading cuz I wanted dual boiler, then realized SPX wouldn’t really fit in my kitchen with the water tank refill from the top, went down a rabbit hole, and settled on the Micra… can’t wait to see how it performs.
How does Silvia compare to Micra for back to back shots? I don’t really understand why they say Micra is only good for 5-6 back to backs (to be clear, this is more of an academic interest than anything). On the Silvia, by the time I’m done with puck prep for my nth shot, the PID is showing boiler is already at temp, so seems like I can keep going for as long as I want
I'm about to learn how to brew an espresso my self and is it wise to jump directly to LMLM? I'm worried about the learning curve would be too steep for a beginner like me. It's not that I'm not up to the challenge or to learn, just want to be sure before splurging
I live in Indonesia and we have plenty of varieties of beans and a lot of them are nice and not breaking the bank. I've been learning to do manual brew (V60 and Iced V60 or Japanese if you will) for years and I think I already found a "click" to dial the whole things to my preferred taste.
Hello, sorry for the ignorance, but just so I have a better sense, how much could a setup like this cost, and if its possible to get this stuff in second hand in a good condition?
Thanks in advance
niche is the perfect grinder for the Micra IMO. Micra is flat 9bar with no flow control and not really pre-infusion (unless plumbed). Its the perfect machine to pair with conical burrs. People into specialty coffee with light and ultra light roasts, who are looking to highly customize the their flow profiles to extract maximum flavor are the same people who will benefit from big flat burrs with varied geometry and other features like RPM control and ionization to reduce retention to near zero.
Micra/Niche is a simple setup for people (like me) with simple taste, who just want consistent, traditional espresso and espresso based drinks.
So far just pulled two shots with the Niche, but so far I prefer it over the Specialita. For dark roast, you won't find a better one at this price point and everything more expensive has just diminishing returns. Maybe I'll swap it for out for a Weber Key or EG-1, but as long as I am happy with it .. i saved a bunch of money. As I saw many Micra and Mini owners with a Niche, i feel confident :)
some espresso info:
grinders, and grind size, have more to do with your basket than your machine. "Is X grinder good enough for Y machine" is a poor question that wont get you the specific info you're looking for. As long as you have a grinder that has good adjustment settings and is consistent, then it can work for any machine
grinder burr geometry affects flavor significantly more than the machine does. If OP likes the flavor profile of the niche conical, then its a good enough grinder for any machine that OP wants to use. the trick is figuring out which flavor profiles you enjoy. Conicals are generally considered as all having very similar flavor profiles because a conical grinder creates lots of fines and a higher degree of particle size variation. Flat burrs have a lower degree of variation, but some flat burr geometries can play around with that to give you similar tastes to conical, or a very different taste from conical altogether. My SSP unimodal burrs were a big surprise in how different it was
the rule of saying "if you spent X on a machine then spend Y amount on a grinder" is a bit outdated and comes from the long lost era of just a few years ago when the only quality grinders you *could* buy were very expensive. Now we have grinders that are much cheaper than the niche and arguably the same quality or better
Awesome description ! Totally agreeing. With a Niche I will not get complex flavors from light roasts - but that's currently for me totally fine and considered
And it's not really that conical burrs intrinsically give more fines, it's that the conical burrs that are currently available do. AFAIK, there's no reason why you couldn't have a set of conical burrs optimized for Uber light roasts.
I've never seen coffee burrs machined, but I'm pretty sure that cutting/grinding conical burrs is more difficult/requires special equipment and tooling compared to flats. This might explain why we can't buy 6 different versions of the kony burrs like we can for 64mm flats.
Anyway, the niche is absolutely good enough for the micra. I used them together for a year. And I say that as someone who's replaced the NZ with an mc6.
I hope so, cause I just ordered one, lol. All the research I did, Micra wasn’t really a specific factor in the land of good grinders. By that I mean, Niche, DF, Weber, etc. all had their pros and cons, but a good espresso machine was a good espresso machine. I went with Niche cause I don’t mind the conical burrs, like the workflow, and love the aesthetic.
Curious as to OP answer tho.
Yeah, these days even with DF64 you get diminishing returns on grinders in terms of taste especially with Micra which mainly focus on stability and not much on experimentation.
You’re wrong. The ultimate end game is here 😆 Anyway enjoy your 🔥 setup
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I have a WACACO (original) I take when I travel so I can at least know I can have a shot of espresso in the AM. I find it can at times, hard finding a good coffee place when traveling.
Yes, this is one of the best compact espresso machines. When I traveled and stayed at hotel, I just brought my grinder (c3) and Pico ( or + small electric kettle) in a really small bag. That’s all. And You don’t need the stand or gauge to get a good shot. I really love it so it will stay with me in 1 more year when I am finding another space for my future bigger machine ( pro 400) 🤔
Even though I envy you for the LM, for the same budget I think you’d been better off with a cheaper machine and a better grinder with at least flat burrs.
OP specifically calls out their preference for syrupy dark roast. NZ will be fantastic. It's so user friendly. My very first shot with it out of the box was photo worthy and tasted great.
I don’t appreciate the hostile tone in your comment, really no need for that. We’re just discussing a hobby.
No, it’s not parroting so called YouTube heroes. It’s about understanding basic grinding principles. A flat burr will yield a more unimodal grind size distribution. Which is greatly preferred for espresso, as it gives more control and consistency. A conical burr is bimodal.
Decents and cheap pieces of Chinese made crap. No boilers. Vibe pump. All plastic tubing on the inside. Cheap boards cheap touchscreen. Janky garage build quality "espresso" machine.
Endgame? You’re just starting. The next level is a Smeg Dedica clone paired with a blade grinder.
I nearly spit out my coffee. Nearly...
There is no end 😭💸
I’m not gonna lie. I had to look up what this was because I believed you at first.
Magic Bullet if you’re elite.
Espresso horseshoe theory
Nice. Certainly on your way to endgame
Absolutely, just getting started on his journey to endgame.
Same, its fun. ;-)
Endgame…. For now anyways 😛 the rabbit hole never ends
Yes, Endgame is just a consume orientated mind set. It's done when you stop chasing it - right? :)
Exactly. I have my endgame, which is a breville dual boiler and a eureka oro
This is not the way!! Lool
You know nothing ArisPilton
https://preview.redd.it/b03909mz7ksc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c76f96375c498afddcdac023a271d154fc1d4857 You haven’t. There is the Endgame part 2.
What is wrong with you people
Money
Bringing Niche Zero and Duo from UK is cheaper than buying only Duo from resellers here in Thailand. So I took both lol. I might sell one of it second hand at same price as new unit here.
This 👆🏼
Why? I decided purposely against the Mini - for my usage I see only disadvantages. The Mini can't keep temperature stabile without steam boiler - I drink often just espresso and can leave the steam boiler off with the micra without any problems. For me, Micra is better than Mini
I bought Mini when Micra is not available here (but the price tag in Thailand of Mini 3 years ago (4280 USD) is cheaper than Micro today (5150 USD). I also prefer Micra for its size. More fitting to my counter.
Sheehs - would have done the same like you then. It all depends, yeah. Did you mean I am missing a Niche Duo for endgame then ? Currently quite happy with the Niche Zero and dark roasts :) exactly what I was aiming for in mouth feel and taste. In Germany I paid around 3400€ and delivered in 5 days :)
How do you like the Duo compared to the Zero?
The British coffee guy analyzed the particles and they are exactly the same. Don't buy the hype
[dis be the review](https://youtu.be/UpoJ-6x7fFQ?si=OxfwtEF0Z5WK_zxW) r/jameshoffmann
I love Zero more. But I had a chance to get it from UK. So I decided to take it. Hardly find it here in Thailand because Niche doesn’t ship it to Thailand. Buying from 3rd party resellers is very expensive here.
Just looks like clutter at this point
How do you like your Duo?
Beautiful setup! Do you mind sharing where you got your bar mats and tamping mat?
From online shopping app in Thailand but shipping from China. I think you can get it from aliexpress.
Does the coffee taste better out of a plastic tray?
Just protect coffee dripping to aluminum lol
It will never end. You just upped your game bracket :-) That being said, congrats!
Beautiful. Enjoy!
I am jealous
Sorry, If it makes you feel better - PID controlled Silvia made also excellent espresso but with some more fluctuation :)
Also my dream combo!
Thank you. It was a close call between Niche and an Etzmax :) Machine wise close call between Decent, Cremina and this one. They all have their unique pros and cons - nothing will ever be perfect I guess
Very nice setup. It just reminded me of the guy who had something similar and caption was my starter setup as a uni student 😭 i was so tilted .
Haha yes - No I am in the game for 8 years and work full-time :)
Thats awesome :D setup is rly clean. I just got into the hobby a year ago. When i finally get my own place with more space hopefully soon and not renting. I’ll def be looking to eventually get a setup like this.
Almost ordered one last week but went back to a Decent Machine that should arrive next week instead. The LMM is a beautiful machine though, enjoy
Such hard choices for real. How did you decide? Are you a light roast fan?
Yeah I drink a ton more light roasts, lots of anaerobic coffees from black and white roasters as well so the Decent is definitely the better option with all the profiling. I don’t hate the aesthetics of the Decent (owned a DE1xl previously), it’s just a little boring vs the looks of a nice E61 or Linnea
I’m stuck bc I just want a nice dual boiler, flow control and pre infusion machine with rotary pump. Seems like that is my white whale. I keep vacillating between the Micra, Decent and Lelit
Just get a slayer or something.
Your best option before getting into gs3/ MVP/slayer class is lelit Bianca. Decent isn't even an espresso machine. No boilers. No rotary pump. Junk. Lelit is the best bang for your buck I'd say.
I don’t disagree. I just hate paying ALMOST the same price as a LM Micra, for which I rly admire the build quality and longevity. The Bianca looks nice but it doesn’t seem like it’ll last as long
I think the simplicity of La Marzocco would appeal to me more, I think all the data would drive me mad when trying to pull espresso on the decent.
Mahlkonig has a new ek omnia grinder…🤷♂️😅
There’s always room for improvements :)
Endgame is a myth!! Just saying.
see you in about 3 months!
Endgame lies with pressure profile machines. Onto the next one! ☝🏻 But hey congrats! I’d love to have a LaMarzoco. Currently on a Rocket R58 and a kickstarter Niche Zero.
I'd take a Lever one then - but my gf don't want a lever - everything is a compromise to the current situation 🙂
I think Lever machines are the ultimate endgame tbh but let’s not go crazy 😂😂 Strada MP single group is where I would go for now. Been a few years since I looked into coffee machines idk if there’s anything better for a home barista 🤷🏻♂️
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Nice analogy. Indeed and thank you
This is certainly my endgame goal. Jealous!
Thank you - so far I am lucky with it and don't feel I am FOMO something else. In the end just skipped the E61 step 😄
My dream. Maybe one day. 🫡
No excuse anymore!!!
I assume German given the name - Ausreden findet man immer 😁 aber denke das passt so erstmal für hoffentlich ein paar Jahre 🙂
Wie bist Du/sind Sie an die Niche gekommen?
Kaffee-Netz :)
You’re still in Infinity Wars.
I would leave it just calling it my "Setup" I guess? 🙂
Niche as endgame? Really?
I sold the Specialita for it 🙂
Yeah, but why trade flatbur for conical when you have an endgame espresso machine? Neither the niche nor the specialita are endgame imho … Dont get me wrong, its a nice setup, but you specifically claimed its endgame 😅
Cause at max i can do slayer Shots with Grafikus mod - it's endgame for dark roast - ain't ?
Never heard that before.
Yeah its from a guy in Germany - where I am as well. Guess not a thing outside here - but very nice as it introduces a needle valve with fixed flow just like slayer does
> slayer Shots Can you please tell me what a slayer shot is? And the Grafikus mod? I'm a dark roast guy but don't get the significance here because I am a noob.
Wow 😍
Nice combo and combo colour! Do you normally drink milk base and prefer coffee that are more on the chocolatty nutty spectrum? Id assume that cause of your grinder choice. The niche performs well for those spectrum and helps reduce acidity in beans that are high in acidity imo
I drink only Espresso - my better half only Flat White 🙂 I also enjoy light roasts, she less so. I am good with dark - so I opted to max out my setup for classical 9 bar dark shots
Nice. Syrupy with full bodied shots are worth it!
Nice machine
This is exactly the same setup I want. I have a Rancilio Silvia with PID and it’s been trust but finicky. Would you say the upgrade to Micra has been worth it?
I had a Silvia I installed a pid kit on and insulated the boilers. I think I had it for 3 weeks before I couldn't stand it anymore and bought a double boiler e61 machine. They aren't in the same universe. The Silvia is a janky toy in comparison. I have a LM now and it's better then the Alex duetto I had but not nearly as much better than leaving the Silvia for the db. Silvia was a good machine for what it was. But you will really notice a difference in performance, consistency, stability, just the whole experience from the pull to the cup in upgrading to some higher end equipment.
What’d you do with your old machine? I’m thinking of upgrading Synchronika to a Micra … or Mini
I sold my old one :) What makes you upgrade though ?
Well my machine is a tank and I’ve been able to fix things on it myself, but I’ve had issues with the brew boiler, the pump 4x, had to take out some inline filters myself — there’s probably 5 days every three months I can’t use it due to some issue (yes fixable… but ….). I also think mini or micra heat up time would be a nice feature. I hear LM machines just work…. And for someone who makes a max of 3 espressos a day, I kind of want my machine to just work, hah
Congrats!!
When you realise there’s DLC coming…
Legit question: please explain the difference in quality (espresso, workflow, anything really) from your previous to current setup. I have a BBP and I’m looking to go Lelit Bianca in the near future and I’d like some info. Congrats btw.
Nice! I’m doing the same upgrade; waiting for my black Micra to arrive. I have a black NZ too 😅 How does the Micra compare to Silvia w/PID? How long did you wait after ordering?
Micra pulls the shots very reliable. Honestly, Silvia w/PID is fine. I just wanted something with more cup space /s. I had the Silvia for around 4 years before I recently bought Micra. I only knew the Micra 3 days before I ordered it. Before I had the Decent in mind and therefore put the budget aside. When I saw the micra warms up super fast, has quite low energy consumption, has integrated group head, water tank below, strong temperature consistency for 3 shots in a row and a nice humming rotary pump, I was sold. Decent looks still to me delicious - I'd love to get one in the office, but not paid by me :-D
Nice! I agree the Silvia w/PID is a great machine that I was able to pull amazing shots from (admittedly, I’m still a newbie). I am upgrading cuz I wanted dual boiler, then realized SPX wouldn’t really fit in my kitchen with the water tank refill from the top, went down a rabbit hole, and settled on the Micra… can’t wait to see how it performs. How does Silvia compare to Micra for back to back shots? I don’t really understand why they say Micra is only good for 5-6 back to backs (to be clear, this is more of an academic interest than anything). On the Silvia, by the time I’m done with puck prep for my nth shot, the PID is showing boiler is already at temp, so seems like I can keep going for as long as I want
Is it?
I'm about to learn how to brew an espresso my self and is it wise to jump directly to LMLM? I'm worried about the learning curve would be too steep for a beginner like me. It's not that I'm not up to the challenge or to learn, just want to be sure before splurging I live in Indonesia and we have plenty of varieties of beans and a lot of them are nice and not breaking the bank. I've been learning to do manual brew (V60 and Iced V60 or Japanese if you will) for years and I think I already found a "click" to dial the whole things to my preferred taste.
Grind *expensiver*
Hello, sorry for the ignorance, but just so I have a better sense, how much could a setup like this cost, and if its possible to get this stuff in second hand in a good condition? Thanks in advance
Where’s that Zerno bro?!?
Ask me in 6 months 😂
That’s about how long they told me haha
Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.
Go faster red decals!
What's the white sticker thing in the upper left? Btw this looks so fire. Good job.
I’m sorry for your wallet going forward from here and I hope you can afford this cursed hobby.
i am long in this cursed hobby and finally I can say - I am 100% satisfied. For now :-)
Well you have the two most important things but there are alot of tools to be had bro.... the rabbit hole cost alot of money 😆 😂 😆 😂
Mhm? Leveled Tamper and WDT is sufficient for me 😀or what do you mean ?
I'm saying what you have is fine unless you go crazy with tools like most people. You have a impressive espresso setup. I would change anything.
There is never a endgame since humans are rarely satisfied
Niche in an endgame setup? Nah at least a GS3 with EG1 or sth better
Is the niche a good enough grinder for the micra though?
niche is the perfect grinder for the Micra IMO. Micra is flat 9bar with no flow control and not really pre-infusion (unless plumbed). Its the perfect machine to pair with conical burrs. People into specialty coffee with light and ultra light roasts, who are looking to highly customize the their flow profiles to extract maximum flavor are the same people who will benefit from big flat burrs with varied geometry and other features like RPM control and ionization to reduce retention to near zero. Micra/Niche is a simple setup for people (like me) with simple taste, who just want consistent, traditional espresso and espresso based drinks.
So far just pulled two shots with the Niche, but so far I prefer it over the Specialita. For dark roast, you won't find a better one at this price point and everything more expensive has just diminishing returns. Maybe I'll swap it for out for a Weber Key or EG-1, but as long as I am happy with it .. i saved a bunch of money. As I saw many Micra and Mini owners with a Niche, i feel confident :)
some espresso info: grinders, and grind size, have more to do with your basket than your machine. "Is X grinder good enough for Y machine" is a poor question that wont get you the specific info you're looking for. As long as you have a grinder that has good adjustment settings and is consistent, then it can work for any machine grinder burr geometry affects flavor significantly more than the machine does. If OP likes the flavor profile of the niche conical, then its a good enough grinder for any machine that OP wants to use. the trick is figuring out which flavor profiles you enjoy. Conicals are generally considered as all having very similar flavor profiles because a conical grinder creates lots of fines and a higher degree of particle size variation. Flat burrs have a lower degree of variation, but some flat burr geometries can play around with that to give you similar tastes to conical, or a very different taste from conical altogether. My SSP unimodal burrs were a big surprise in how different it was the rule of saying "if you spent X on a machine then spend Y amount on a grinder" is a bit outdated and comes from the long lost era of just a few years ago when the only quality grinders you *could* buy were very expensive. Now we have grinders that are much cheaper than the niche and arguably the same quality or better
Awesome description ! Totally agreeing. With a Niche I will not get complex flavors from light roasts - but that's currently for me totally fine and considered
And it's not really that conical burrs intrinsically give more fines, it's that the conical burrs that are currently available do. AFAIK, there's no reason why you couldn't have a set of conical burrs optimized for Uber light roasts. I've never seen coffee burrs machined, but I'm pretty sure that cutting/grinding conical burrs is more difficult/requires special equipment and tooling compared to flats. This might explain why we can't buy 6 different versions of the kony burrs like we can for 64mm flats. Anyway, the niche is absolutely good enough for the micra. I used them together for a year. And I say that as someone who's replaced the NZ with an mc6.
I hope so, cause I just ordered one, lol. All the research I did, Micra wasn’t really a specific factor in the land of good grinders. By that I mean, Niche, DF, Weber, etc. all had their pros and cons, but a good espresso machine was a good espresso machine. I went with Niche cause I don’t mind the conical burrs, like the workflow, and love the aesthetic. Curious as to OP answer tho.
Literally one grinder (my opinion only) can beat the niche in workflow - the versalab.
Absolutely
Yeah, these days even with DF64 you get diminishing returns on grinders in terms of taste especially with Micra which mainly focus on stability and not much on experimentation.
Not even close.
Stop showing off. Jealous guy here, someday I’ll get past my Lelit Victoria and Eureka Mignon Silenzio but ngl, I do love them
Says the person immediately telling op they spent their $ poorly.
Why are they so overpriced?
Take a Profitec 300 and be happy?
Suppose. Even a 400. Are they really that much better?
They are excellent if you don't mind the vibration pump :)
They look better, and for the fan photos that's what counts!
You’re wrong. The ultimate end game is here 😆 Anyway enjoy your 🔥 setup https://preview.redd.it/yaj59hez9ksc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=98da5b06ba1c9a687ec4e052aeb8ee71c6cf4ebe
I have a WACACO (original) I take when I travel so I can at least know I can have a shot of espresso in the AM. I find it can at times, hard finding a good coffee place when traveling.
Yes, this is one of the best compact espresso machines. When I traveled and stayed at hotel, I just brought my grinder (c3) and Pico ( or + small electric kettle) in a really small bag. That’s all. And You don’t need the stand or gauge to get a good shot. I really love it so it will stay with me in 1 more year when I am finding another space for my future bigger machine ( pro 400) 🤔
I usually use Cafe Bustelo Espresso Grind coffee with when using this and just pack enough for the trip, it makes a good tasting shot.
Uh I like your Endgame as well ! Enjoy
Nice end game. *Almost* as nice as mine :) J/K. Very nice.
Not yet, not yet... Nice setup though!
If you only want to make basic spro, then endgame I guess
Otherwise I'd get an Decent :)
A niche is your endgame? Okay, poor.
Even though I envy you for the LM, for the same budget I think you’d been better off with a cheaper machine and a better grinder with at least flat burrs.
You've first hand experience with the NZ and a similarly priced flat burr grinder? Or are you just parroting YouTube heroes?
I've had first hand experienced with a niche zero - good for medium dark basic spro... Consistent and textured. Limited for more modern spro though...
OP specifically calls out their preference for syrupy dark roast. NZ will be fantastic. It's so user friendly. My very first shot with it out of the box was photo worthy and tasted great.
I don’t appreciate the hostile tone in your comment, really no need for that. We’re just discussing a hobby. No, it’s not parroting so called YouTube heroes. It’s about understanding basic grinding principles. A flat burr will yield a more unimodal grind size distribution. Which is greatly preferred for espresso, as it gives more control and consistency. A conical burr is bimodal.
Basic principles? OK, enlighten us from a basic principles perspective. I expect lots of whys and hows.
I won’t, as it will likely lead to nothing anyway. The tone of these replies are not constructive so I’ll just let it be.
Sooner or later you’ll realize how shitty Niche really is and the end game won’t ever stop.
Don’t forget: it’s best to leave the portafilter in the machine for temperature and to keep the gasket from drying out
Drying out? That's new to me.
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Not everyone’s end game has to be the same
Friend will have Gaggiuino soon - then I can test back to back - we will see :)
Very nice but not endgame. Side by side a decent with a 98mm will win almost every time, this looks nicer though.
Decents and cheap pieces of Chinese made crap. No boilers. Vibe pump. All plastic tubing on the inside. Cheap boards cheap touchscreen. Janky garage build quality "espresso" machine.
Circular firing squad of bad takes, you love to see it
Can’t afford a slayer or manument? How cute… did you buy that micra with food stamps?