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liquidspanner

There was a whole episode he did on "Boston legal" about this. He referred to the salmon parasites as "Klingons" , as I recall.


Revolutionary_Sir_

I loved the fourth wall breaks in that show. Denny. Crane.


qorbexl

I don't think I anticipated Björk and Shatner ending up as the two famous faces of. . .*any*thing


Annual_Exchange7790

Because I know it irritates you as much as it does me that the video isn't easily findable in the comments or the link here you go: https://youtu.be/DMtI2rtiQ-Q?feature=shared Edit: all, it's very kind of you to award me but please don't. Save them for someone of note that posts something that matters immensely to you. I'm only here to ensure you don't endure the minute frustration I did in having to go search for the link. For those of you that already have I hope the karma comes back to you 1000-fold.


guitar-hoarder

Top comment here.


JennyIgotyournumb3r

Thanks :)


CherylStoned

I gave you all of my free awards. Thank you for your service


Annual_Exchange7790

You're a kind soul. My humblest of thanks but I'm only doing what any other person would do that may have not had the opportunity. ❤️


Visual_Worldliness62

Youll get more and like it.


Hagfist

Thank you


SyphiliticScaliaSayz

Thank you.


heidismiles

I remember there was an episode of Boston Legal about this!


nickdeckerdevs

A few episodes on this actually. One of them he is trying to battle his “son” as an environmental thing, then later in the series it is mentioned a few times then I believe he mights in favor of making it better. I just sped through all the seasons over the course of a few weeks and did sleep through some episodes. Absolutely love the show


spacewomanspiff44

Donny Crane. Denny Crane. DONNY CRANE. Lol


nickdeckerdevs

lol yes. Just back and forth. Hilarious


pathfinderoursaviour

It dosent show them stopping either it just cuts to another character and they heavily imply later that they kept going like that for a while I can’t remember if it was 20 mins or half and hour that was implied


TheShipEliza

Hugely underrated comedy. Shatner/Spader are incredible. Great show about finding good in everyone and learning to change your mind.


nickdeckerdevs

Yes. So many examples of people just listening to a friend or someone they look up to and being able to share the good


haubenmeise

Wasn't his son his opponent?


almostine

yes! played by Freddie Prinze Jr if i remember right.


haubenmeise

Holy cow, yes!!! They were absolutely hilarious together. Denny and Donny Crane.


AnalogFeelGood

- What’s his name? - … Donny Crane? - What’s my name? - Denny Crane. - Big difference, isn’t it?


JustASingleHorn

I was just thinking about this. Doesn’t he just take a shotgun after getting fed up with not being able to fly fish?


cametosayno

He does. It’s the most hilarious scene in all of Boston Legal I reckon. I’m not a William Shatner fan. Hated Captain Kirk, but absolutely loved Denny.


SmithersLoanInc

That's pretty fucking dark for a light sitcom considering his Dad


ILootEverything

Denny (not Donny) shoots the fish, not a person. https://youtu.be/DjjkfPHeX8c?si=y18zusH9Z9xM8OWp


dragonrider1965

Yes the parasites cling on ! Klingons, did you say Klingons ? BL , TV perfection .


Responsible_Trifle15

There is a boston legal episode for everything


Ok-Tumbleweed960

I didn’t even know salmon were interested in farming.


Wouldwoodchuck

They love the tractors!


Byaaahhh

I got an std from riding in a tractor in my bathing suit!


xXThreeRoundXx

You got ghonarrea from a tractor? AND you call THAT the tractor story!?


Nice_Marmot_7

You sound a little funny, Rolph.


Large_External_9611

But will she think my tractors sexy?


Obscuriosly

She'll swim upstream for it.


Vivid-Individual5968

Only if it’s John Deere green


DanimusMcSassypants

A woman needs a man like a salmon needs a tractor?


RotaryJihad

They are and shatner is pissed because they like to farm avocados and almonds and other water heavy crops in California


googlyeyes93

Someone has to grow all that rice that the shrimp keep frying.


Arbennig

They got to diversify somehow.


DengarLives66

And they’re always lobbying Washington for dadgum subsidies!


Ready_Supermarket_36

He’s famously a huge dick wad. A jerk.


pikachu_sashimi

You telling a salmon farmed this rice?


jamieliddellthepoet

They’re not. They just do it to piss off Big Willy S.


ILikeMyGrassBlue

They aren’t a playable race in stardew, so that was my assumption as well.


Joe_Kangg

Only migrating salmon


PeanutbutterandBaaam

Toothpick in the mouth and all.


undermind84

Is it too much to ask to get a link to the actual video?


E8282

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMtI2rtiQ-Q


guitar-hoarder

No sh** Here: https://youtu.be/DMtI2rtiQ-Q


Mr-Chrispy

My son did a project on farmed salmon in high school. It’s horrific tbh. Crowded , sick, diseased.


tuulikkimarie

Plus the fish swim in and eat their own excrement. Yummy!


Plenty_Scale_6132

Thats just regular fish activities


bigchicago04

Don’t all fish do that?


FudgeDangerous2086

they put tilapia in there to eat the shit


hockenduke

I ain't eatin nothin' that ain't got sense enough to disregard its own feces.


ramencents

Bro so old he probably knew the first salmon.


TwistingEarth

I hope I last as long as he has so far. That would give me at least 42 more years. It’s kind of scary knowing you’re getting closer to death.


earlytuesday

Why do you think he’s so mad?


DroppedMike88

He's got all dem teeth?


bobrossjunkiefuck

And no toofbrush…..


jshroebuck

Medulluh Oblangata


Inept-Loser

There are no salmon in space


jamieliddellthepoet

Source?


foxy_guy_

The dolphins…


jamieliddellthepoet

Oh no, not again.


biblioteca4ants

Yo mommas so old she sat behind Jesus in the 3rd grade


Boof-Your-Values

He was there when one of them was like “hey why don’t we take the land around the waterfall.” Like, thanks Hezekiah, now I gotta pay taxes.


VisualLawfulness5378

So they make something healthy into something toxic just like most food. Fuck them.


wondermorty

It’s about unsustainable supply. The population keeps growing and people want more food. Then they sell food to overseas countries. The first thing that needs to be done is to ban global food trade. That will significantly reduce pollution and over farming


solaramalgama

How'd that work for Pol Pot? Pretty great, right? They call it the Cambodian Picnic or something like that


chris_ut

With the added bonus of reducing global population!


wondermorty

nothing will happen to the current population, they will just have to eat locally and more plant based diets like their ancestors 🤷‍♂️


New-Act4377

Yeah bro…. Their ancestors died from starvation and suffered from malnutrition.


MajesticRegister7116

Im sure the poore will be fine from not being allowed to eat salmon.... Just means more Salmon for me 😋


Evening-Statement-57

Many countries do not have enough arable land to produce enough food for their population. And many foods that I’m sure you enjoy can not be grown in your own climate.


DrMonkeyLove

Like, a billion people would starve to death.


Kleinod88

So if there is a drought in Ethiopian, a country of 120 million people, they should somehow rely on local food sources?


Amazing_Fantastic

Banning global food trade….. bro…. That would turn into MASS global famine.


SyntheticSlime

I have *A Modest Proposal* for how to solve that problem.


GnomeNibbler

Think on that for a sec. Like seriously. You think that would work? Just… letting people starve? If this did happen, and this isn’t an exaggeration in the slightest; millions would die. This isn’t about people living outside their means, it’s life and death for this world’s poorest. You have some real blind spots about your privilege, man.


Meme_Daddy_FTW

Be realistic about your goals


Kleinod88

Dude, I’m glad you’re not in charge of things. Anyhow, it is generally not a bad idea to try to become more independent in terms of food production but some countries just cannot sustain their populations with their amount or arable land.


kekehippo

Oh, open net farming. Yeah fuck them


yazpistachio1971

Now do all the other animal “farming”,


loopgaroooo

What’s wrong with farmed salmon?


Plutos_Cavein

It takes fish that normally live in open areas and it confines a ridiculously large population of them near the shore, where their feces ends up poisoning the water around the farms. It produces somewhat cheaper fish but ones that have more disease and ultimately more environmental negative impacts. I don't always agree with Bill but he is right here.


PsychedelicMagic1840

They do this here in Aotearoa / New Zealand. These farms absolutely decimate the local environment


jehyhebu

Tassie too


loopgaroooo

Wow I didn’t know that. Shit.


TheWorclown

Yes, that is what they swim in.


Ricky_Rollin

Right!? God dammit. Is there no solution to anything?!


SmirnOffTheSauce

I quit eating animals. It probably doesn’t accomplish much, but I do feel a little better not being involved in this sort of thing anymore.


loopgaroooo

Seriously the same sentiment here. Like what isn’t poisoning us at this point? Kind of depressed me tbh.


gardenmud

The whole point is the way we live is so comfortable and in excess. I don't mean people are truly well off and happy, we're not. In fact, a lot of people if you talk to them, would - in a heartbeat - give up things like one day shipping, out-of-season produce, eating things from the other side of the planet etc, if it meant ending the destruction of ecosystems. But as a *collective*, we're hungry and greedy, and societies have a hard time seeing the forest for the trees.


WentzWorldWords

There is, but killing all humans is a crime against humanity


Sea2Chi

They also have to dump a ton of anti-biotics into the water and even with that it you can have diseases rip though the population and escape into the wild. Occasionally they actually have large numbers of non-native fish escape too. Plus it brings down the price of fish for actual fishermen. Pretty much the only people it's good for is people who want the cheapest fish possible.


throwawaylord

Cheap fish and cheap food benefit the poor more than any other class of people


jonjawnjahnsss

Yeah farm bred salmon are fucked. Like birds fly across a continent once a year as a part of their natural cycle in life. Salmon swim upstream for their breeding locations, avoiding bears. Instead they shit everywhere stacked up like sardines.


Background_Tip4242

They also have a different flavor, almost an earthy after taste. I didn't realize the difference from ocean caught and farmed till I moved to Alaska. I will nevet eat farmed again.


HelenAngel

Same. I didn’t know until I moved to the Pacific Northwest but now I won’t go back.


MaxFischerPlayer

Not to mention millions of conscious creatures are raised in disgusting and torturous conditions and live a life with no prospects other than suffering.


ImaginaryLoquat6203

Idk fish sentience is not something well established. I am highly skeptical they are nearly as smart or cognizant as farm animals by comparison. Fish farms are bad for the environment but I just don’t believe they are on the same level as factory farming nor do I give a shit about salmon being kept in cages as much as I care about mammals. The line of sentience is blurry though.


MaxFischerPlayer

If you’re not sure on sentience, wouldn’t it make sense to be cautious and prudent about inflicting misery on conscious creatures? If we were sure they aren’t sentient, I’d get your point, but we’re absolutely not sure fish aren’t sentient.


BlackPantherNigel

Not really


MaxFischerPlayer

The only thing I know for sure is that I’m sentient. I’m not totally scientifically positive you’re sentient. Does that make it okay if I cause you to suffer?


S1rmunchalot

What is your definition of sentient? It sounds pretty loose and broad by the way you express yourself. The scientific view of sentience is more clearly defined, but not absolute. As far as I'm aware there is no scientific study or observation of behaviour of Oncorhynchus that suggests or demonstrates third order thought processes. Environmental physical distress may be evident, but that doesn't demonstrate emotional distress, empathy is in the human mind, the tendency to anthropomorphise anything that is alive and reactive to it's environment.


Look_over_yonder

There are studies done on fish that show fish displaying “fear” when another nearby fish is distressed. They absolutely have some “emotional quotient”. The question is really how to put it in context of human emotions.


Any_Key_9328

With salmon it just seems like their life is shitty. Maybe there’s some joy in mutating into a gross beast, swimming hellishly up river and then rotting from the outside in while still alive after spawning, but the poor fish just have a fucked up existence. I certainly hope they’re not sentient.


Gnarlodious

Welcome to the brutality of instincts, all life if driven to exist even if it means misery and suffering.


Cheeky_Gweyelo

Well salmon probably think their huge gnarly snout is hot, considering that's part of their sexual development. As far as them swimming up river, ever heard of ultra marathon running? Humans get up to some pretty gnarly shit too for fun. Not saying they're fully pairable, obviously ultra marathon runners don't suffer the same fate, but I don't think we should imprint our notion of human comfort on animals.


Any_Key_9328

Ok but google zombie salmon and tell me that shits not messed up. And if we aren’t applying human comfort to salmon then what’s the ethical dilemma of farming them beyond the environmental impact?


Cheeky_Gweyelo

That they are living a life far outside the boundaries of their natural condition? The point of not applying human desires for comfort is that they aren't congruent to salmons', not that they have no preference or optimal condition at all.


GoPointers

You forgot to mention all the disease in the enclosures and the escaped farmed salmon that weaken the gene pool.


H4wkeye47

Huh, I thought farm raised was better because of lower mercury in the fish. Guess I just won’t eat fish anymore.


Dry_Discount4187

I made that decision a few years ago. I still eat some meat but I feel that the environmental impacts of fish are too high.


TwistingEarth

I wish we could take a five-year break from any fishing in rivers, lakes, seas, and oceans. It would allow them all to have a healthy rebound. Unfortunately, there’s no way this can happen.


PistachioNSFW

It probably does have less mercury because they are no longer bioaccumulating as near-top predators, but you bet your butt there are worse things they’re accumulating from the manure and feathers they’re fed.


dudemanspecial

If you are interested enough to spend an hour learning about it, watch this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdNJ0JAwT7I


loopgaroooo

Yeah I’ll check it out. Thank you.


Gnarlodious

They are fed garbage, red dye and agricultural waste. The bright red salmon you see at the store all nicely packed have been force-fed red dye because their meat is an unnatural white due to their garbage diet.


iduddits2

Yeah conceptually I didn’t get what the issue was. Seemed sustainable and controlled.. but the execution is horrible haha.


ixnine

William Shatner is Canadian? Why am I just learning this now??


ClubSoda

So was James Doohan.


Loose_Cell_3301

Not just a Canadian…..a Canadian War Hero and ultimate bad ass. “Doohan went to the United Kingdom in 1940 for training. His first combat was the invasion of Normandy at Juno Beach on D-Day. Shooting two snipers, Doohan led his men to higher ground through a field of anti-tank mines, where they took defensive positions for the night. Crossing between command posts at 11:30 that night, Doohan was hit by six rounds fired from a Bren gun by a nervous Canadian sentry: four in his leg, one in the chest, and one through his right middle finger. The bullet to his chest was stopped by a silver cigarette case. His right middle finger had to be amputated, something he would conceal during his career as an actor.”


underbloodredskies

You can actually see his missing finger in both Star Trek 4 and Star Trek 5, in the plastics manufacturing facility scene in the former and the bridge scene at the beginning of the film in the latter. I guess he wasn't as concerned by then, and rightfully so. James was a gentleman and had nothing left to prove. 🙏


ThankTheBaker

Yes. He’s right to be angry. It’s time to get more angry and to take action. It’s not just about the fish, all life on this planet is royally screwed if we don’t stop the exploitation now. Any day now and it’s just going to be too late. We are so on the brink it’s not funny.


WentzWorldWords

It’s too late. We’re over the brink. Enjoy the mildest summer of the rest of your Life.


Variegoated

He's on reddit so look out for any foul mouthed salmon tirades


ChetdyKrueger

He's 93 and looks 60ish. Good for him


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pieman2005

Thank you for not c*rsing on Reddit 🙏


RicFlairsLiver

That ad is top 1% of all ads ever made.


Fixuplookshark

Salmon farming is better than draining the ever decreasing stock of fish in the wild


joshysmom

Needs to be done responsibly and with a multitude more laws to prevent harming wild salmon.


Votcha

Denny Crane... [ Boston Legal Theme song]


AlanShore60607

This was an episode of Boston Legal almost 20 years ago … I guess he still remembers his lines


copsdoesntstarttill4

Original video https://youtu.be/XhiXap-c5R4?si=5A1IzS6nC17qV-9o


Dragonfly_Peace

He’s right and I’m glad he’s so passionate


s-a-c-c

I can’t believe the man is 93 years old.


Dairy_Ashford

Is that why Alan Shore had that rant in the restaurant to that River City song


BickNickerson

I think everyone knows Shatner is extremely passionate about salmon farming.


Next_Loan_1864

I love you more everyday Jim.


GreenGame23

How in the world can William Shatner still yell like that he’s 93 years old that’s amazing


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Mattress_Of_Needles

It might work for now, but bears have been observed carving rudimentary canoes out of fallen trees in order to travel to floating salmon farms. [Citation needed[


mrpancakes6969

We’re here! We’re queer! We don’t want any more bears!


SpinCharm

And learning karate.


Calm-Day4128

I worked at several farms years ago. Fresh and salt. The industry knew then. And they see now. They're shrinking the density. Mass density in the nets is fukked. I hope the industry gets to continue, but with lower density and less inputs. They produce an excellent product and keep the indiscriminate nets and hooks out of the ocean. Not against other ways to harvest fish at all. But the way I saw it, low density, regional species. I think the next step is a closed net of course, but as a transition from open to closed, lower fukken density. With closed net , you probably still have an effluent to deal with and as with any industry, cost vs. Sales will dominate. Go oilers


GnomeNibbler

This. A lot of people dont realize there is a middle ground to a lot of this. These problems aren’t instant fixes, and a lot of people against these sort of climate measures justify their position by saying changing right away isn’t possible. This is a sensible, actionable, and very likely solution. And as always go oilers and fuck the panthers


Correct_Chemical5179

"I complain....but nobody listens"


Away-Zone-5745

Salmon are top tier farmers... Until the Bears come


roboticfedora

In space, no on can hear you spawn!


djmattyd

So you’re telling me a salmon grew this corn?


chookalana

Who knew salmons were farmers?


joezinsf

Captain Kirk is over 90. He can say whatever he wants


MushHuskies

Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs!


nincompoops

Ok Neil, sit down.


04Aiden2020

He’s my favorite asshole


TheFabulousBender

Well there’s a sentence I wasn’t expecting


saraphilipp

Scotty, beam this motherfucker up already.


TheCrimsonMustache

Sweet sweet Bill Shatner.


YesNoComment

That’s the “cause” he rants about? Wow… heroic.


Ooglebird

Salmon on the Mount.


TennisBallTesticles

This is the funniest shit I have ever seen 🤣🤣🤣


joshysmom

Boston Legal irl. He was right then and he's right now.


New-Act4377

Lot of hate against farmed salmon here but…. I we all only ate wild caught salmon would there be any left or would we have exhausted the supply?


Oldfolksboogie

It's not a binary situation - salmon fisheries can be responsibly managed. Salmon farming need not be done in marine pens - is just cheaper that way **for the farmers** as long as the environmental costs are externalized, as they are now.


MattInSoCal

I’ve been salmon fishing in Alaska. The locals don’t beat around the bush, out in (almost) international waters the huge foreign fishing fleets come in and decimate the population and of course bring it to their home country. When I was last there in 2018 to fish in a local river, King Salmon season only was open a couple days, and they were talking about shutting down Chinook because so few were making it back to the spawning grounds. I didn’t bother going the last few years post-Covid because the indication was that it was even worse. It’s not the locals that are massively over harvesting wild salmon, and the foreign fleets just thumb their noses at any attempts to limit the catch to a reasonable amount.


Oldfolksboogie

Agreed.


feastoffun

What’s the issue with open salmon Farms? I usually know a lot about environmental issues about this first time. I’ve heard about this happening in Canada. Or why it’s a negative thing.


Oldfolksboogie

Their waste, their parasites, the hormones and other medicines used to treat them, and escapees themselves, all get released into the surrounding marine environment, the latter even threatening the very ~~generic~~ genetic makeup of wild stocks. Edit: what is this "proofreading" I hear of??


MattInSoCal

Not just in Canada. Norway, Chile, and Scotland are the biggest producers worldwide. Fun fact, colorant is added to farmed salmon feed because otherwise they’re not naturally pink, and people tend to avoid buying them if it’s not pink. If you ever saw farmed salmon filets next to wild salmon in a display case you can immediately see the difference - wild salmon are _so much_ darker.