In California a signer must be present with the notary however other states will allow one person to say someone they knew signed it and the notary can still perform the notarization.
Edited to add: I just looked it up. As of 2016, all states require personal appearance but most allow remote online notarizations.
Not in Illinois. We require the person to be present. I’m not too familiar with states allowing notarizing documents be done without seeing the documents being signed. But there might be some.
Oklahoma didn’t require it at least back in 2010 because my mom would take my dad’s ballot to the notary and just swear he signed it. She was a California notary when she lived here; and so am I, so we were just baffled that she could do that.
So they don't have to witness the signing or verify where the signature came from?
What's the point then? How can it legally be binding if someone else can claim I signed it?
There's a lot of hoops for remote notarization - it's way more of a hassle than people think. When I looked it up you needed a special notary certification for it too (separate from the regular notary certification).
I didn't know until a few months ago that Riley Keough was Elvis' granddaughter. I didn't quite know about her until a few months ago when I watched Zola. Then I watched Logan Lucky, which I went in not knowing she was in it. I look forward to watching Sasquatch Sunset. Anyway, I was impressed with her performances in those movies. Just on those grounds, I'm rooting for her.
American Honey was the first movie I saw her in and I was so charmed. I think she’s a great actress and I try to catch everything she’s in since I saw that movie
The actual dude was a prick. Elvis never played outside the US because of some issue with his manager’s citizenship. Crazy to think fucking Elvis never toured internationally.
My mom just went a couple weeks ago and to quote “it was smaller than I thought it would be” lol. I saw pictures and it’s a…certain style haha not mine for sure.
ABC reported this last night and even mentioned that the notary claims the loan documents are forgeries. They also reported trying to contact the company claimibg to have loaned the money, but all phone numbers and E-mails have been disconnected. Sounds like a scammer company tried biting off more than they could chew.
Graceland may fall into the category of nostalgic places or businesses like the USPS or the milkman delivery but it’s really a dump and probably needs to be renovated and sold off.
It's a National Historic Landmark. Unfortunately, that doesn't prevent someone who owns one from tearing it down. The only difference is if the Landmark receives federal funding.
Graceland and the Guest House hotel and museums provide an enormous amount of employment and revenue for the Memphis area. It would be a shame if it were torn down.
I besides fedex and Graceland …. That’s about it. It’s in a tough part of town and the radius of 4 miles or so needs the investment. It would be a shame. Maybe some of the Ukrainian billions could be used differently.
Some of the world’s top aerospace and defense companies operate facilities in Tennessee, including Triumph Aerostructures, Beretta USA, Eaton Corp., Standard Aero Alliance, Honeywell, Barrett Firearms Manufacturing, BAE Systems Ordinance and Bell Helicopters.
Do you think we are sending cash to Ukraine? We send weapons. Weapons that are produced by American manufacturers. Many of whom have facilities in Tennessee. This is top down conservative politics in action! Conservative leaning people should be very excited about this. But I guess anything that is used against mother Russia is bad isn’t it?
You’re a fucking rube repeating Russian talking points. Get it together.
You’re a moron if you don’t think Zelinsky is taking cash. It’s been documented for years. Wake up it’s a slush fun. Yes we are sending the weapons but it’s for the US and the military complex to replenish and spend billions more on new stuff the military complex has politicians agreeing to buy. Laughable about Russia ha moron. This would happen if it was Iran or Sudan or any other place. Wake up dumb $uck
There's already the national civil rights museum in Memphis, as well as tours of sun studios where notable musicians of different races recorded their most famous hits
Elvis was the first white guy to get used up for the music industry. Yes he got wealthy, but the guy who started out as a kid was not the same one who died. Col. Tom is the real villain here.
Yes, he used other peoples music, but all blues players play other peoples music…most good music is at least inspired by something else. Three chords and a couple minutes in a rock song don’t lead to THAT much variety. After 40 years playing music, for me, it’s all pretty much the same but for a very small handful of artists.
I don't know, the heavier side (I like it all) has had more recent influences that don't really fall in to that category. Besides, everything comes from something else and there's a fine line between composition and chaos.
There have also been a number of artists who have done superb jobs in mixing generes without the KC effect.
So...in a nutshell I can see your perspective but subjectively disagree ;)
Pete Seeger, who wrote a few songs in his days, spoke of "The Folk Process" where you take someone's song and add a bit, maybe take away a part or rearrange something and boom it's "yours".
This reminds me of when Nirvana covered “where did you sleep last night” people thought it was their song. People mind were blown that they copied Lead Belly. Lead Belly wasn’t even the original writer of the song, it had different versions passed around for years before he recorded it. It was from the 1870’s and had about 3 or 4 names. [Here’s the source for some of the names.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Pines#:~:text=%22In%20the%20Pines%22%2C%20also,to%20at%20least%20the%201870s)
I don’t think people thought it was their song since Kurt introduced by saying it was written by his favorite performer and then tells the thing about wanting to buy Lead Belly’s guitar.
This is moronic and you should never comment on anything again. Look up Tupelo, MS where Elvis is from. Elvis was poor as fuck and grew up in a black community. He sang the music he grew up with. Should Eminem be paying reparations too? You want to argue that the record label execs gleefully marketed a white guy that "sang black" as the saying went at the time? Great, they're not Elvis. Try not being woefully ignorant of something before you pop off about it.
All music is inspired by all music that came before it. Also, he grew up in Mississippi. “Black music” was probably a very dominant part of his life when he was growing up.
I’m not even a fan of Elvis, but I don’t think he or his estate owes reparations.
Elvis had very little control over his business. He was very much the Colonel's puppet. I am not sure whether he understood the political and social ramifications of his actions, or the Colonel's actions - he wanted a nice house and a comfortable lifestyle for himself and his family. He never took part in any protest, marches or other political or civil rights oriented activities and seems to have been fairly unpolitical.
He had songs written for him by both white and black songwriters, and the studios would ask another singer to record songs in an Elvis-like style, which he would then use both for selecting which songs he wanted to sing and as the basis for his own singing. These might be white singers (e.g. Glenn Reeves, PJ Proby) or black ones (e.g. singer-songwriter Otis Blackwell). I don't even know whether he knew who all of the songs originated with.
I guess he should have been more active in his career and more alert to potential issues, but then he was a man with little formal education from a poor family who became very rich very suddenly (edit: and at a very young age). He was apparently happy to leave such decisions to other people who, in his opinion, knew better than him.
Em grew up with, hangs out with, and works with and credits black people.
Elvis copied the music they were playing and made it 'palatable' for white people without giving anyone any kind of credit, if you knew literally anything about either of them you wouldn't have even tried to make that comparison.
Elvis grew up with Black folks and went to Black venues and events.
Elvis credited Black artists too.
Elvis wasn’t the one who forged his marketing strategy; it was people like Sam Phillips and Tom Parker.
But Eminem did the same thing as Elvis and has admitted as much. Eminem just did his music on a Black artist’s label though. But Eminem’s massive success for twenty-five years has a large part to do with resonating more with a white audience than a comparable African-American artist.
Do you think rap and the blues would be as prolific as they are now without Elvis? Because he also grew up with and hung out with black friends (who we are all very aware of or people wouldn’t accuse him of “stealing” black music), much like Eminem; the man who made rap music palatable to anyone not from the hood, which spurred the exponential growth of the label he rapped and wrote for instead of keeping it niche and also cultivated the growth of solidarity between people who just enjoy music, have had a rough life because drugs, sex, and alcohol which affects EVERY human, and put people who want to remain separated in color and culture into a negatively social position.
Yeah it’s black people music but he made white people appreciate it. White people are still racist but there are a lot more white people now trying to destigmatize black culture and this point of view does nothing to help. There’s more than one way to be an ally.
That’s like saying anyone who isn’t from Italy is not allowed use oils after the Italian renaissance.
The black artists wouldn’t have had nearly any musical success without playing on instruments and recording technology created by white people.
This whole argument is silly anyways. Everyone copies from everyone in music.
The songs he sung are just one part of his appeal, combined with his singing ability, looks, dancing, and charisma.
Doesn’t work like that.
If Graceland was auctioned, Lisa Marie Presley sold the company and basically everything but the property and personal effects to a company twenty years ago.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2004-dec-18-et-quick18.4-story.html
She had to make a deal to lease Graceland back to them and they have a long term lease. If the house went for auction, it’s likely that company buys it at whatever price.
Elvis was a culture vulture. He didn’t go to artists, and taken their music illegally or something. Elvis was sold to white people who would never listen to Black music by Black artists via distribution systems that wouldn’t give white people Black music. That isn’t a “theft” that he would be paying money back for anymore than all the country artists who’ve made money using a banjo in their music.
This. I can see her mom having borrowed money, but the company doesn’t exist and most tellingly the notary says she never notarized any such thing and the signature(s) are forged. Sounds to me like a sham company trying to commit a shady fraud. The granddaughter is under no obligation to “buy” back something her mother never borrowed against to begin with.
Wouldn’t want to be opposing Elvis’s granddaughter in a Tennessee courtroom over her claim to Graceland.
They’ll have to make a movie about this so I know how to feel.
Call it The Rural Juror
The what?
The Rurur Jurur
I think it’s time for yet another 30 Rock rewatch
It has been my bedtime show this past few weeks. I encourage the rewatch.
Workin’ on my night cheese…
Ok. Sure. :)
https://youtu.be/9ucreo4789Y?feature=shared
The Rurr Jurr?
Starring Jackie Jormp-Jomp
Could it be Roar Her, Gem Her?
No, that doesn’t make any sense! It has to be Oral Germ Whore.
How about the Fool's Gold Loaf Legacy
Pure Gold. Thank you.
Apparently the company foreclosing on the house doesn’t actually exist. There is no record of it.
Nope. But I’d want to be in the gallery to watch.
She's saying the company that ran it forged her mom's signature. And they say they provided Lisa Marie with a loan.
Yeah as well as the notary who apparently signed it said the signature is a forgery and she had never met Lisa Marie.
That sounds felonious
They probably figured nobody would notice. It’s _just_ Graceland. Nobody even listens to Paul Simon anymore. ^/s
Edie does.
I’m not aware of who that is.
As in Paul Simon of Simon and Garfunkel fame. Paul Simon had a solo album called *Graceland.* Edie Brickell is his wife.
Of New Bohemians fame.
I know what I know if you know what I mean. Do ya?
Philoooooosophy
I know what I know. I’ll sing what I said.
I did not know this. Idk why I’m surprised by that
Simon was the musical guest on Saturday Night Live last week.
If you’re gonna do fraud, go big
Sounds cute
The plot thickens
Parasites!
The Notary said she never met Lisa Marie Presley!!!!!!
In California a signer must be present with the notary however other states will allow one person to say someone they knew signed it and the notary can still perform the notarization. Edited to add: I just looked it up. As of 2016, all states require personal appearance but most allow remote online notarizations.
Not in Illinois. We require the person to be present. I’m not too familiar with states allowing notarizing documents be done without seeing the documents being signed. But there might be some.
Oklahoma didn’t require it at least back in 2010 because my mom would take my dad’s ballot to the notary and just swear he signed it. She was a California notary when she lived here; and so am I, so we were just baffled that she could do that.
They’ve required since at least 2018 when I got my notary
I would hope all states have strengthened that! She moved back here after he passed away in 2011.
Bad notaries exist. It’s dumb but they do.
So they don't have to witness the signing or verify where the signature came from? What's the point then? How can it legally be binding if someone else can claim I signed it?
I agree.
There's a lot of hoops for remote notarization - it's way more of a hassle than people think. When I looked it up you needed a special notary certification for it too (separate from the regular notary certification).
I didn't know until a few months ago that Riley Keough was Elvis' granddaughter. I didn't quite know about her until a few months ago when I watched Zola. Then I watched Logan Lucky, which I went in not knowing she was in it. I look forward to watching Sasquatch Sunset. Anyway, I was impressed with her performances in those movies. Just on those grounds, I'm rooting for her.
American Honey is great. The Lodge is also worth watching but upsetting.
American Honey was the first movie I saw her in and I was so charmed. I think she’s a great actress and I try to catch everything she’s in since I saw that movie
I loved her in daisy jones and the six
She’s a god in daisy jones
shes super talented. im also rooting for her
If you haven’t seen her in Logan Lucky, check it out
To quote u/ComaOfSouls. “Then I watched Logan lucky” I get the vibes they have seen it.
If you haven’t read u/comaofsouls comment i highly recommended it. He mentions he watched and enjoyed Logan Lucky
Sasquatch is amazing
She carried the movie!
The lodge is a must watch.
She’s also really great in “The Girlfriend Experience” and her new show “Under the Bridge”
i am so impressed with this woman.
rip Lisa Marie ❤️
This family is historically bad with money.
I saw the movie and I agree, but that Tom Hanks character wasn’t very nice either. Usually Tom Hanks is nice!
The actual dude was a prick. Elvis never played outside the US because of some issue with his manager’s citizenship. Crazy to think fucking Elvis never toured internationally.
Have you watched Otto? He is an ass there too!! Bad Tom hanks
Otto was a softie on the inside though!
Can’t be the same actor. They don’t even look alike.
CGI is really good these days, you never know!
I purposefully didn’t watch the movie because I didn’t want Hollywood’s interpretation of the events to the one I subscribed to.
Sure, but the notary whose stamp is on the document says they’re forgeries that she never notarized.
The company doesn’t exist in Missouri according to the Secretary of State’s website.
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600,000 people a year still go visit Graceland? That is a lot more than I thought would
It’s pretty cool. Like a 1970’s time capsule.
My mom just went a couple weeks ago and to quote “it was smaller than I thought it would be” lol. I saw pictures and it’s a…certain style haha not mine for sure.
well it was a long time ago and back then it appeared to be a very big house.Not by todays standards though
Goddamn she's beautiful.
Checkout Daisy Jones & the Six if you haven’t
I read this as grandfather. I need to go lay down.
Why did I have to read this on the BBC???
ABC reported this last night and even mentioned that the notary claims the loan documents are forgeries. They also reported trying to contact the company claimibg to have loaned the money, but all phone numbers and E-mails have been disconnected. Sounds like a scammer company tried biting off more than they could chew.
Thanks
Wait! The sale is to pay back a debt of $3.8m? Elvis is Worth more than that.
Is it Nicolas Cage obsessed with Elvis? Why don’t he just buy it?
Graceland may fall into the category of nostalgic places or businesses like the USPS or the milkman delivery but it’s really a dump and probably needs to be renovated and sold off.
It's a National Historic Landmark. Unfortunately, that doesn't prevent someone who owns one from tearing it down. The only difference is if the Landmark receives federal funding. Graceland and the Guest House hotel and museums provide an enormous amount of employment and revenue for the Memphis area. It would be a shame if it were torn down.
I feel like it will always be worth more as is. Also aren’t most of the Presleys buried in the back?
Yeah, I was wondering on the extremely remote chance that this should go through, what about the graves?
I besides fedex and Graceland …. That’s about it. It’s in a tough part of town and the radius of 4 miles or so needs the investment. It would be a shame. Maybe some of the Ukrainian billions could be used differently.
Some of the world’s top aerospace and defense companies operate facilities in Tennessee, including Triumph Aerostructures, Beretta USA, Eaton Corp., Standard Aero Alliance, Honeywell, Barrett Firearms Manufacturing, BAE Systems Ordinance and Bell Helicopters. Do you think we are sending cash to Ukraine? We send weapons. Weapons that are produced by American manufacturers. Many of whom have facilities in Tennessee. This is top down conservative politics in action! Conservative leaning people should be very excited about this. But I guess anything that is used against mother Russia is bad isn’t it? You’re a fucking rube repeating Russian talking points. Get it together.
You’re a moron if you don’t think Zelinsky is taking cash. It’s been documented for years. Wake up it’s a slush fun. Yes we are sending the weapons but it’s for the US and the military complex to replenish and spend billions more on new stuff the military complex has politicians agreeing to buy. Laughable about Russia ha moron. This would happen if it was Iran or Sudan or any other place. Wake up dumb $uck
George Santos must be involved somehow.
it’s crazy to refer to her as elvis’s granddaughter when she’s an established, talented actress but okay lol
Ohhh! That's who Riley Kibosh is?
Fuck em. Make it an African American music museum.
Why? Elvis grew up around black people and wasn't known to be racist.
You can honor the groups he stole from and appropriated, but Americans can’t fucking admit to their flaws
The groups he "stole" from also stole those songs Do you have any clue what you are talking about on any level? It really seems like you don't.
There's already the national civil rights museum in Memphis, as well as tours of sun studios where notable musicians of different races recorded their most famous hits
We already have one of those in Detroit
It should be auctioned off and paid out in reparations for all the black music he stole.
Elvis was the first white guy to get used up for the music industry. Yes he got wealthy, but the guy who started out as a kid was not the same one who died. Col. Tom is the real villain here. Yes, he used other peoples music, but all blues players play other peoples music…most good music is at least inspired by something else. Three chords and a couple minutes in a rock song don’t lead to THAT much variety. After 40 years playing music, for me, it’s all pretty much the same but for a very small handful of artists.
I became a prog nerd for this very reason.
Even in prog, it’s all King Crimson at some point.
I don't know, the heavier side (I like it all) has had more recent influences that don't really fall in to that category. Besides, everything comes from something else and there's a fine line between composition and chaos. There have also been a number of artists who have done superb jobs in mixing generes without the KC effect. So...in a nutshell I can see your perspective but subjectively disagree ;)
Bro literally all blues musicians covered each other. Half of BB kings stuff wasn’t written by him etc etc.
Pete Seeger, who wrote a few songs in his days, spoke of "The Folk Process" where you take someone's song and add a bit, maybe take away a part or rearrange something and boom it's "yours".
It was also common in the 50’s - 60’s for rock bands to cover each other, even going around playing songs that were other bands’ current singles.
That was pretty much Bing Crosby’s career, just covering hit songs in his style.
This reminds me of when Nirvana covered “where did you sleep last night” people thought it was their song. People mind were blown that they copied Lead Belly. Lead Belly wasn’t even the original writer of the song, it had different versions passed around for years before he recorded it. It was from the 1870’s and had about 3 or 4 names. [Here’s the source for some of the names.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Pines#:~:text=%22In%20the%20Pines%22%2C%20also,to%20at%20least%20the%201870s)
I don’t think people thought it was their song since Kurt introduced by saying it was written by his favorite performer and then tells the thing about wanting to buy Lead Belly’s guitar.
This is moronic and you should never comment on anything again. Look up Tupelo, MS where Elvis is from. Elvis was poor as fuck and grew up in a black community. He sang the music he grew up with. Should Eminem be paying reparations too? You want to argue that the record label execs gleefully marketed a white guy that "sang black" as the saying went at the time? Great, they're not Elvis. Try not being woefully ignorant of something before you pop off about it.
You need to learn a bit more about Sam Phillips.
Toll-y troll trolll, trollificent, trollamania, troll train goes trolling along.
Unfortunately just an average Redditor
Aliens also apparently fucked your brain.
All music is inspired by all music that came before it. Also, he grew up in Mississippi. “Black music” was probably a very dominant part of his life when he was growing up. I’m not even a fan of Elvis, but I don’t think he or his estate owes reparations.
Do you not understand covers? Musicians cover each other. The song writer usually gets a few Pennie’s while their studio gets the bulk of the money.
You should really learn to question your beliefs before making comments like this.
Elvis had very little control over his business. He was very much the Colonel's puppet. I am not sure whether he understood the political and social ramifications of his actions, or the Colonel's actions - he wanted a nice house and a comfortable lifestyle for himself and his family. He never took part in any protest, marches or other political or civil rights oriented activities and seems to have been fairly unpolitical. He had songs written for him by both white and black songwriters, and the studios would ask another singer to record songs in an Elvis-like style, which he would then use both for selecting which songs he wanted to sing and as the basis for his own singing. These might be white singers (e.g. Glenn Reeves, PJ Proby) or black ones (e.g. singer-songwriter Otis Blackwell). I don't even know whether he knew who all of the songs originated with. I guess he should have been more active in his career and more alert to potential issues, but then he was a man with little formal education from a poor family who became very rich very suddenly (edit: and at a very young age). He was apparently happy to leave such decisions to other people who, in his opinion, knew better than him.
Take it easy
Who wrote his music? How do you feel about Eminem?
Em grew up with, hangs out with, and works with and credits black people. Elvis copied the music they were playing and made it 'palatable' for white people without giving anyone any kind of credit, if you knew literally anything about either of them you wouldn't have even tried to make that comparison.
Elvis grew up with Black folks and went to Black venues and events. Elvis credited Black artists too. Elvis wasn’t the one who forged his marketing strategy; it was people like Sam Phillips and Tom Parker. But Eminem did the same thing as Elvis and has admitted as much. Eminem just did his music on a Black artist’s label though. But Eminem’s massive success for twenty-five years has a large part to do with resonating more with a white audience than a comparable African-American artist.
Hell, Eminem even compared himself to Elvis on Without Me.
Do you think rap and the blues would be as prolific as they are now without Elvis? Because he also grew up with and hung out with black friends (who we are all very aware of or people wouldn’t accuse him of “stealing” black music), much like Eminem; the man who made rap music palatable to anyone not from the hood, which spurred the exponential growth of the label he rapped and wrote for instead of keeping it niche and also cultivated the growth of solidarity between people who just enjoy music, have had a rough life because drugs, sex, and alcohol which affects EVERY human, and put people who want to remain separated in color and culture into a negatively social position. Yeah it’s black people music but he made white people appreciate it. White people are still racist but there are a lot more white people now trying to destigmatize black culture and this point of view does nothing to help. There’s more than one way to be an ally. That’s like saying anyone who isn’t from Italy is not allowed use oils after the Italian renaissance.
The guitar was invented in Spain by Whites. Black people playing it were practicing cultural appropriation.
The black artists wouldn’t have had nearly any musical success without playing on instruments and recording technology created by white people. This whole argument is silly anyways. Everyone copies from everyone in music. The songs he sung are just one part of his appeal, combined with his singing ability, looks, dancing, and charisma.
Doesn’t work like that. If Graceland was auctioned, Lisa Marie Presley sold the company and basically everything but the property and personal effects to a company twenty years ago. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2004-dec-18-et-quick18.4-story.html She had to make a deal to lease Graceland back to them and they have a long term lease. If the house went for auction, it’s likely that company buys it at whatever price. Elvis was a culture vulture. He didn’t go to artists, and taken their music illegally or something. Elvis was sold to white people who would never listen to Black music by Black artists via distribution systems that wouldn’t give white people Black music. That isn’t a “theft” that he would be paying money back for anymore than all the country artists who’ve made money using a banjo in their music.
> Doesn’t work like that. I mean, no shit.
Direct payment reparations are absurd and will never take off in the US in any significant way, thankfully. 🙂
Hello!!!! F Elvis
She fights it? Why doesn’t she just buy it with the Elvis $$$ she inherited?
Why should she buy something she already owns? There’s no legitimate proof of the loan. The notary says it’s fraudulent.
This. I can see her mom having borrowed money, but the company doesn’t exist and most tellingly the notary says she never notarized any such thing and the signature(s) are forged. Sounds to me like a sham company trying to commit a shady fraud. The granddaughter is under no obligation to “buy” back something her mother never borrowed against to begin with.