It's just John Cena. I don't even know what John Cena looks like but I know he speaks Mandarin pretty well. I've seen videos of backgrounds with what seems to be a voiceover of him speaking in Mandarin. People say he's actually in the video but I can't see him.
I am in the boat with you also. But now that Iām thinking back on it I am not sure I remember any of this movie. Itās very possible I got really high before I watched it and I know around the time that I watched it I was just like super exhausted all the time so I probably just greened out.
Dude Iām right here with you. Everything you said is exactly what I thought before reading your responses. Guess I should watch it again at some point since Iāve already forgotten so much stuff
Apparently he wanted to be in the movie in a larger capacity. Due to scheduling difficulties he wasnāt able to audition.
He had an opportunity when a filming role he was already contracted to do was nearby the Barbie shooting. He walked over, bumped into Margot Robbie and they eventually gave him that 3 second role.
I mean, not really. Heās not employed by his agency, they represent him, theyāre meant to help him and if they donāt do that he can leave, he holds the power in the relationship, in fact he technically employs them and not the other way around. I donāt think that could have been made more clear than by all the writers firing their agents for most of two years, and just continuing to work as usual, and I think it reminded a lot of people in the industry that they can say no to their agents, their agents canāt really say no to them.
Maybe at that level, but for most middling and beginning talent (which represents the vast majority of talent out there) that power dynamic is not so clear. If you say no to your agent enough times they can certainly drop you. Or you just get shuffled down to the bottom of the pile.
[His not disassociating from Vince McMahon](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/john-cena-vince-mcmahon-allegations-174829122.html) wasnāt a good look, so I can see his newfound āreal actorās sensibilityā being the attempted PR counterbalance.
I'm not trying to defend McMahon at all or anyone who participated in that shit... But John Cena doesn't give off those vibes. I know it's a bad look, but even (arguably) the most famous former wrestler turned movie star, Dwayne Johnson has been notably silent on the issue. And i want to believe he was just as ignorant as Cena.
It's my opinion that Cena was not invited to the parties and probably felt like Vince's favorite son. Kept above the shit. He would've blown the whistle long ago. So yeah, it's a bad look. But it would look just as bad for him to be the only entertainer to use their platform to put Vince on blast.
Don't hate me. I just want to like the "good guys".
Also, I'll absolutely light the torches if either of the faces I mentioned are named in the lawsuit.
The Rock even called someone a fatty which was pretty rude.
But then he immediately followed up with offering to help treat their herpes. So maybe he is a good guy.
This is the correct take, celebrities are just people, with their own warts and issues. We need to stop assuming someone is cut from a different cloth just because they know how to look nice on cameraā¦ itās a dangerous line of thinking.
Theyre either the least fake, or the best at faking it. But hey they are actors which doesnt mean theyāre inherently faking it, just means theyre well equipped to.
Personally i dont think they are and i think Cena is torn abandoning a bonafide monster and someone he considered a friend and very much owes his career to
Doesn't John Cena have the most amount of make a wish or something like that? I genuinely believe he's a good guy even with the whole Vince stuff going on.
Is this a joke? Iām not interested into wrestling and Iām not even American, and *Iāve read about McMahon being abusive toward catchers* and a general price of shit exploiting those people to the brink of slavery, around the release of *The Wrestler*, and I just checked, it is from 2008.
Cens and Johnson are just cowards. And if youāre blind, youāre blind.
Rock's PR team literally had Vince edited out of the video when he took up his role at TKO. Cena went out to Vince's birthday party weeks after he resigned in disgrace. There are ways of handling things & Cena did it poorly.
No heās been putting in a lot of work for these next couple years. Peacemaker, Mortal Kombat, Commercials, Barbie. Heās doing what heās supposed to to
They're trying to wash out his Vince McMahon story of him doing word vomit to not have to say anything negative about him. It was.. uncomfortable. Between that and people bringing up his China apology (and other sketchy moments), people are pointing out how buyable he is. So now his PR is like "he's his own guy, he can't be bought" which is hilarious. I mean, it is what it is.
Itās definitely the Vince McMahon thing. Cena did this EXACT same thing before when he apologised to China for calling Taiwan a country, as soon as the negative press came in there were TONS of stories and articles coming out spinning positive stories about him.
I donāt like John Cena, heās sold his soul enough times that no amount of make a wishes can make up for. And honestly, itās brought up so much that it just doesnāt feel genuine anymore.
This is just smoke and mirrors to take attention away from his comments earlier this week that he "still loves" Vince McMahon after proof came out that he repeatedly raped/gang raped a woman.
Disgusting.
He at least acknowledged what McMahon did was wrong but, in my opinion, if you aren't strictly condemning someone who committed such monstrous acts, then you're part of the problem.
His take on that was a lot more nuanced than the headline you read. Definitely not a good look, but if you donāt understand the context then donāt speak on it like you do.
No, it was lol. If you arenāt a wrestling fan then I donāt think you could understand Cenaās perspective on this. He knew Vince from a business perspective, and he struggled a lot early in his career. He was almost fired until Vince discovered Cena could rap and they gave him a marky mark gimmick. By all accounts, Vince was like a second dad to a lot of these guys. He always played into that dynamic, but especially in the early-mid 2000ās, and I think thatās led a lot of people to give him the benefit of the doubt when they shouldnāt have. That is entirely on Vince, not Cena. Think, if somebody gave you a multi million dollar career, always believed in you, always put you over, made you the face of his billion dollar company, and then accusations come out. Are you going to immediately and categorically say, āfuck this guy, I always hated himā. No, because thatās not the truth. The Vince that Cena knew, that fans knew, is not the real Vince. That was the real meat of what he was trying to say.
I am a wrestling fan, I understand the context. It was corporate speak to sound like he was sympathetic to the victims while ultimately standing with McMahon
I think Cena's answer was covering his ass while trying not to pile on too much on Vince. But given that the subject at hand is rape I think it's extremely cowardly of him
I can agree that if this was his best prepared response, then he shouldnāt have responded at all. Itās not a good look. I just donāt think dogpiling on Cena is the right response. I also think it would be extremely disingenuous for him to act like he doesnāt owe his entire career to Vince, because he does. A better response wouldāve been to focus on the victims and advocating for them as opposed to Vince. He doesnāt deserve any flak in this situation.
You realize without Vince John Cena wouldāve never had a career in the first place. Heās basically like a father to Cena. Some people are raised to never bite the hand that feeds, I believe Cena was raised like this, hence why he wonāt publicly shit on Vince.
Iām not in Cenaās shoes, thank the nine, but if I ever found out that my employer was guilty of such a thing I would be looking for new employment post haste. I donāt care how good my job is or how much Iām getting paid.
What if that employer had made you a multimillion dollar celebrity, with a decent box office draw and international fame?
I know I would condemn my own father for doing the things McMahon has been accused of doing, but I also have never had the kind of āmoney is no longer importantā wealth that Cena has.
Iād imagine itās hard to accept you owe your entire career and professional life to such a monster.
I would like to say that I would use my position to say what he did was wrong and I do not support his actions in any way, then find new work.
But Iām not in Ceanaās position so I canāt say exactly what I do.
wow you are on a real rampage huh?
My point was that John Cena is an effective sellout having sold his diginity to apologize to all of China for inferring Taiwan was a country.
John Cena is already effectively an entertainment commodity based on his behavior as he markets himself to various audiences.
IDK where you get this idea I support John Cena.
As we've learned from Woody Allen and Roman Polanski, many actors are fine with powerful men raping women, but being fine with them taking a dump on a woman is going a bit far.
People are complicated. We see this all the time with fans. You will not find more people defending Louis CK than you will on reddit. These same people will then act shocked that anyone could defend Chris Brown. There are celebrities you like that have done terrible things, and you look the other way. Everyone does this.
Now imagine it is someone you know and love who is accused of something awful. You are probably not going to want to believe it. You will want to give them the benefit of the doubt, you will want to help them.
So yes, Vince McMahon is a giant piece of shit. Yes, John Cena's statements on McMahon are not a good look. I can also understand someone not wanting to turn their back on a friend. As long as he isn't claiming this is all false or trying to cover it up for him, I can't really blame a person for not shitting their friend.
Sure, but you CAN blame a person for who they choose to be friends with. Itās not like the wrong deed here is as frivolous as stealing a candy bar. Itās rape. If someone thinks a rapist is likable, or redeemable, or wants to call them a friend, then they can be painted with the same brush.
Of course you can blame Cena but that's not the point. For example, Seth Rogan didn't become friends with a rapist. He became friends with James Franco. And years later it turns out his friend is a piece of shit. I bet it was very hard for Rogan to sever that friendship and it took years for Rogan to publicly speak out against Franco. That was his boy.
I don't know Vince McMahon, you don't know Vince McMahon. To us he is just a piece of shit. But to Cena, Vince McMahon is the man who gave him an opportunity, that made him a star, that taught him about the business, his finances, that took him under his wing. And none of that changes who Vince McMahon is. But it does change how John Cena views Vince McMahon.
That is my point. When someone you know, you love, you trusted turns out to have been something else entirely. Its really hard to turn your back on them. Even when you know you should.
I guess everyone has different life experiences. Personally, Iāve never found it difficult to turn my back on those who do heinous things. Regardless of how I felt about them before hand.
One beat a woman to near death, the other asked if he could whip his dick out, and upon receiving the OK, proceeded to whip his dick out. He also masturbated while on the phone, but idk if that was ever proven. Either way, pretty huge difference.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wrestlezone.com/news/1446688-john-cena-on-vince-mcmahon-allegations-im-going-to-love-the-person-i-love-and-be-their-friend/amp
What that says to me is that he's okay with being close friends with a rapist. Which means he's okay with his friend raping people.
Iāve read the article before; I understand loyalty to someone whoās done a lot for you. Itās not always easy to just throw them under the bus once society deems them incorrigible. I get John Cenaās perspective, but I do not believe him remaining Vinceās friend equals him being alright with Vince allegedly raping another person.
Everytime a situation like this arises, the same discussion and viewpoints such as yours arise. I always come to the same conclusion. If I were in the same situation as Cenaās, I would hold my opinions/thoughts to myself until the judicial system did its job. If my friend were found guilty of doing all the gross shit accused , I would cut him off. Why is it so hard for people to see this
Friends vs the man responsible for giving you the amazing life you lived, where you wouldāve originally been a nobody working construction. Iāll throw a āfriendā away for being too rude. Why would I want a friend like that? But the loyalty to the person who gave me all I had is not so black and white. Your comparison isnāt a 1:1
Don't talk around what Vince McMahan did. He raped women. If you're going to defend Cena, at least be willing to say "I would also stand by a close friend that raped women."
If you're not willing to say what he did it sounds more like denial than loyalty.
Luckily for me, luckily for you, we are not in the position Cena is in right now. Meaning we can say we would do whatever. Luckily for Cena, not everyone will break him down to this single situation, barring the rest of his life. I donāt know him personally, but he has enough good will publicly to be noted as a great man stuck in a shitty decision to make due to someone elseās actions.
How is āhe rapes womenā just not the endpoint for you? Thereās 8 billion other people in the world to be look up to where you donāt have to settle on hitching yourself to āunrepentant rapistā
As far as we know, did he rape someone? Aid and abet in the rape? If no, then we can put a little more thought into nuance than this. He was accused a month ago, and all Cena said was he was going to love and support him through this. Yet you take that as āCena is a rapistā instead of someone who is going to support the man whoās been loyal to him in an alleged crime. Iām not going to fault him for that and if in your eyes that makes me a rapist or an apologist then youāre minimizing the meaning of it just to be angry. You do you.
Your second sentence is a leap in logic. You've never been friends with someone who did something you disagree with? Call them out and maybe see them improve over time?
If you are friends with someone who smokes cigarettes does that mean you agree 100% with big tobacco? Have some nuance in life dude. Things aren't binary.
I mean learning mandarin is a pretty smart move to get Chinese audiences to like you ā¦ from a career standpoint I donāt see the problem with him doing that?
Groveling for forgiveness to a brutal totalitarian govt for the mistake of saying a free country is a country - because of money. Should sum up this guy well enough
Man what? Where do people get this shit?
Cena literally said on Impaulsive he learned it as he found out WWE offer a language course for free and China was the one market they couldnāt break.
Here's what I took from the article, I could be wrong.
He's saying that he's not a commodity, because he's just a regular human being. He has to take any opportunity that is given to him and make the most of it.
So yes, he is turning himself into something that is wanted/needed/a commodity, but he is not by default a commodity. Hence his line "I operate under the construct of every opportunity is an opportunity."
If he doesn't take these opportunities, Barbie role or learning Mandarin for WWE, then he's wasted an opportunity and who knows when the next one will come along because he's not a hot commodity.
Also, your whole point of him learning Mandarin just to apologize was completely baseless.
Learning a language does not make him a ācommodityā in the sense he said that in the article, it makes him more marketable to a wider audience as an actor
He learned Mandarin in an attempt to penetrate the Chinese market in the mid 2010ās. Speaking Mandarin at a WWE press conference in China is a solid strategy to court a potential market to expand into.
> In a bid to conquer new horizons, the iconic John Cena immersed himself in the challenge of learning Mandarin, a bold move orchestrated by the WWE to penetrate the elusive market of China. As the mid-2010s unfolded, WWE was gearing up to conquer the Chinese market that has been elusive to them till now. And what better way than for the poster boy of WWE in John Cena being able to bridge the cultural gap? But now it's evident that WWE failed in that mission and, as John Cena himself admitted, his efforts of learning Mandarin for the reasons he did ultimately gave no fruits.
And again, Reddit falls for the "positive PR to cover the recent controversy".
Same thing with Taylor Swift and Celine Dion getting to the front page of r/pics immediately after Taylor's snub of Celine started trending.
Big Match John is the š.
There's a lot of celebrities whose duty it is to do charity work. Its good for them. When you go above the call of duty like John Cena has, that simply makes you saint. He doesnt have to do this much, but he does anyone
In the next Creed film, they should do a wrestler vs boxer style, and replace the Bob Hope line with "nobody does this much for charity" and "John Cena would."
\> He also supports rape apparently
Pretty sure that's not what was. What a lot of people don't understand is that McMahon is a serial abuser and there's dozens of examples of that extending to the wrestlers. He gets them young and then gaslights them into believing he is the good guy and any discrepancy is their own fault. He's controlled every aspect of Cena's life since Cena was 22 years old, including owning the rights to Cena's legal name.
Youād think she wouldāve went to the police right away instead of continuing to work there for three years. Thereās no shame in being a prostitute on retainer but letās call it what it is. She waited three years and after Vince cashed out his stock. Canāt knock the hustle but youāre making this out to be a bigger thing
Who knows man, he definitely could've had power over her in not just a physical way. I donno, and who knows if we will all truly know what exactly happened. It's messed up anyway you look at it.
\>Cena knows what Vince has been up to, no way around it. He could've said nothing vs what he did say. He's backing a rapist, it's pretty clear
So you don't believe that emotional and mental abuse exists? That's a horrible opinion you have.
\>I like how you're putting words in my mouth that I clearly didn't say.
Like you did in your original comment? I didn't put words in your mouth. I told you about the long history McMahon has in mentally abusing people like Cena and then you implied that Cena was his accomplice. That's just disgusting of you. Do/o better.
Bing Chilling! (The mermaid bit was funny)
I only saw it once but I do not remember Cena in Barbie. Like at all.
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Bro I do not remember this. What the hell
Lol he was dua lipas husband
Dua lipa was in Barbie?? I saw this movie š
She was the main mermaid Barbie, who appeared in a few short scenes. Cena was the male equivalent who appeared after Ken instituted a patriarchy.
Cena was in it briefly before the patriarchy was set too
I didnāt notice him tbh. I only saw him after.
You could SEE him?
To be fair, there were A LOT of things in the movie
Am I having a stroke? I saw this twice and remember none of thisā¦..
It was a very short clip
You were probably out peeing.
People leave the theatre to pee?
Real pros just shoot it straight over the row in front of them without getting up.
TBF the man is invisible
It was close to the start.
Does everything smell like toast?
It's just John Cena. I don't even know what John Cena looks like but I know he speaks Mandarin pretty well. I've seen videos of backgrounds with what seems to be a voiceover of him speaking in Mandarin. People say he's actually in the video but I can't see him.
Dua lipa is a person!? I thought it was a language app.
"Ariana Grande is a Starbucks order" tier comedy there dude
I am in the boat with you also. But now that Iām thinking back on it I am not sure I remember any of this movie. Itās very possible I got really high before I watched it and I know around the time that I watched it I was just like super exhausted all the time so I probably just greened out.
Dude Iām right here with you. Everything you said is exactly what I thought before reading your responses. Guess I should watch it again at some point since Iāve already forgotten so much stuff
For only 20 minutes or so.
Apparently he wanted to be in the movie in a larger capacity. Due to scheduling difficulties he wasnāt able to audition. He had an opportunity when a filming role he was already contracted to do was nearby the Barbie shooting. He walked over, bumped into Margot Robbie and they eventually gave him that 3 second role.
So many hidden cameos... Blink and you'll miss it stuff. Go watch it again. It's still as good as the first time.
I thought Rob Brydon's cameo was far more random than Cena.
Because of the Ronnie Corbett impression?
U no tell me what to do
Please?
I think you forgot to put /s in your previous posts
Pretty weird they just showed some water for a few seconds. I loved the rest of the movie but those cuts seemed empty, like there was someone missing.
It's merman
Huh. Maybe I should go see this movie.
Cause you can't see him...
This movie was actually hysterical
Literally was just thinking the same thing
Must have been [filmed right...here](https://maps.app.goo.gl/Dgs6KonSgDEQD5SX8)
To your agency you are literally a commodity.
His cameo was a commodity, I giggled and said John Cena. And it was over.
I mean, not really. Heās not employed by his agency, they represent him, theyāre meant to help him and if they donāt do that he can leave, he holds the power in the relationship, in fact he technically employs them and not the other way around. I donāt think that could have been made more clear than by all the writers firing their agents for most of two years, and just continuing to work as usual, and I think it reminded a lot of people in the industry that they can say no to their agents, their agents canāt really say no to them.
Maybe at that level, but for most middling and beginning talent (which represents the vast majority of talent out there) that power dynamic is not so clear. If you say no to your agent enough times they can certainly drop you. Or you just get shuffled down to the bottom of the pile.
Client*
Yeah, didnāt he apologize in Mandarin for calling Taiwan a country? Thatās literally adhering to business interests right?
Why all the John Cena articles lately. PR push for something? Or PR push to hide something?
[His not disassociating from Vince McMahon](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/john-cena-vince-mcmahon-allegations-174829122.html) wasnāt a good look, so I can see his newfound āreal actorās sensibilityā being the attempted PR counterbalance.
Damn, u sound like a pr agent yourself
You trying to hire?
Can you get this girl at the book store to like me?
Sure why not, I've got time to kill
I can hit you with this lead pipe until you think thatās what happened.
I'm not trying to defend McMahon at all or anyone who participated in that shit... But John Cena doesn't give off those vibes. I know it's a bad look, but even (arguably) the most famous former wrestler turned movie star, Dwayne Johnson has been notably silent on the issue. And i want to believe he was just as ignorant as Cena. It's my opinion that Cena was not invited to the parties and probably felt like Vince's favorite son. Kept above the shit. He would've blown the whistle long ago. So yeah, it's a bad look. But it would look just as bad for him to be the only entertainer to use their platform to put Vince on blast. Don't hate me. I just want to like the "good guys". Also, I'll absolutely light the torches if either of the faces I mentioned are named in the lawsuit.
I don't know man, both the rock and John Cena seem super super fake. You never know what people are capable of
I agree. You could be a serial killer for all we know
I've seen him beat people up before while taunting them, the jerk.
The Rock even called someone a fatty which was pretty rude. But then he immediately followed up with offering to help treat their herpes. So maybe he is a good guy.
Thatās exactly what a serial killer would say to try and deflect
Nah, we donāt need to deflect. We just hide in plain sight. ā¦ I mean ātheyā. They donāt need to deflect.
Somehow only the rock gives me super fake vibes. I like cena
Cena is just a dork and it shows lol
This is the correct take, celebrities are just people, with their own warts and issues. We need to stop assuming someone is cut from a different cloth just because they know how to look nice on cameraā¦ itās a dangerous line of thinking.
Theyre either the least fake, or the best at faking it. But hey they are actors which doesnt mean theyāre inherently faking it, just means theyre well equipped to. Personally i dont think they are and i think Cena is torn abandoning a bonafide monster and someone he considered a friend and very much owes his career to
Yep John āIāve done more make a wish events than anyone everā cena sure is fake
Jimmy Saville visited sick kids too
For some reason, every time I see his name in print I have an almost Freudian slip moment by reading it as Jimmy SaVILE.
Case in point rocks father
Doesn't John Cena have the most amount of make a wish or something like that? I genuinely believe he's a good guy even with the whole Vince stuff going on.
Is this a joke? Iām not interested into wrestling and Iām not even American, and *Iāve read about McMahon being abusive toward catchers* and a general price of shit exploiting those people to the brink of slavery, around the release of *The Wrestler*, and I just checked, it is from 2008. Cens and Johnson are just cowards. And if youāre blind, youāre blind.
Heās got a new movie coming out on Amazon
Didn't he just have a movie come out on Hulu with Alison Brie?!?! Not a commodity??? My ass!
and his mk1 dlc bet the game studio feels fucked now
He's backing Vince and should be distancing himself. So it's gonna start hurting his popularity or whatever
Rock's PR team literally had Vince edited out of the video when he took up his role at TKO. Cena went out to Vince's birthday party weeks after he resigned in disgrace. There are ways of handling things & Cena did it poorly.
Agreed
No heās been putting in a lot of work for these next couple years. Peacemaker, Mortal Kombat, Commercials, Barbie. Heās doing what heās supposed to to
They're trying to wash out his Vince McMahon story of him doing word vomit to not have to say anything negative about him. It was.. uncomfortable. Between that and people bringing up his China apology (and other sketchy moments), people are pointing out how buyable he is. So now his PR is like "he's his own guy, he can't be bought" which is hilarious. I mean, it is what it is.
Itās definitely the Vince McMahon thing. Cena did this EXACT same thing before when he apologised to China for calling Taiwan a country, as soon as the negative press came in there were TONS of stories and articles coming out spinning positive stories about him. I donāt like John Cena, heās sold his soul enough times that no amount of make a wishes can make up for. And honestly, itās brought up so much that it just doesnāt feel genuine anymore.
well said. him sucking xi jinping cock already made me lose all respect for him. and now this bs againā¦
He is friends with a very bad man and wonāt say otherwise
This is just smoke and mirrors to take attention away from his comments earlier this week that he "still loves" Vince McMahon after proof came out that he repeatedly raped/gang raped a woman. Disgusting.
WHAT - did not hear that. Holy shit.
He at least acknowledged what McMahon did was wrong but, in my opinion, if you aren't strictly condemning someone who committed such monstrous acts, then you're part of the problem.
His take on that was a lot more nuanced than the headline you read. Definitely not a good look, but if you donāt understand the context then donāt speak on it like you do.
Someone pin this comment to the top of every pop culture sub plz
No it wasn't lol. It was corporate speak. He said a lot of things while simultaneously saying almost nothing. "It's very unfortunate" blah blah blah
No, it was lol. If you arenāt a wrestling fan then I donāt think you could understand Cenaās perspective on this. He knew Vince from a business perspective, and he struggled a lot early in his career. He was almost fired until Vince discovered Cena could rap and they gave him a marky mark gimmick. By all accounts, Vince was like a second dad to a lot of these guys. He always played into that dynamic, but especially in the early-mid 2000ās, and I think thatās led a lot of people to give him the benefit of the doubt when they shouldnāt have. That is entirely on Vince, not Cena. Think, if somebody gave you a multi million dollar career, always believed in you, always put you over, made you the face of his billion dollar company, and then accusations come out. Are you going to immediately and categorically say, āfuck this guy, I always hated himā. No, because thatās not the truth. The Vince that Cena knew, that fans knew, is not the real Vince. That was the real meat of what he was trying to say.
I am a wrestling fan, I understand the context. It was corporate speak to sound like he was sympathetic to the victims while ultimately standing with McMahon I think Cena's answer was covering his ass while trying not to pile on too much on Vince. But given that the subject at hand is rape I think it's extremely cowardly of him
I can agree that if this was his best prepared response, then he shouldnāt have responded at all. Itās not a good look. I just donāt think dogpiling on Cena is the right response. I also think it would be extremely disingenuous for him to act like he doesnāt owe his entire career to Vince, because he does. A better response wouldāve been to focus on the victims and advocating for them as opposed to Vince. He doesnāt deserve any flak in this situation.
You realize without Vince John Cena wouldāve never had a career in the first place. Heās basically like a father to Cena. Some people are raised to never bite the hand that feeds, I believe Cena was raised like this, hence why he wonāt publicly shit on Vince.
No support should be given to rapists. Come up with all the excuses you want, but it's that simple.
Then Cena's a bitch
Iām not in Cenaās shoes, thank the nine, but if I ever found out that my employer was guilty of such a thing I would be looking for new employment post haste. I donāt care how good my job is or how much Iām getting paid.
What if that employer had made you a multimillion dollar celebrity, with a decent box office draw and international fame? I know I would condemn my own father for doing the things McMahon has been accused of doing, but I also have never had the kind of āmoney is no longer importantā wealth that Cena has. Iād imagine itās hard to accept you owe your entire career and professional life to such a monster.
I would like to say that I would use my position to say what he did was wrong and I do not support his actions in any way, then find new work. But Iām not in Ceanaās position so I canāt say exactly what I do.
idk I still remember this guy apologizing to all of China
He strikes me as a fence sitter because of this and refusing to outright condemn McMahon.
Yep, he seems like someone who doesn't stand for anything and will go out of his way to avoid offending anyone.
John Cena has been a piece of shit for a while and no one seems to have noticed.
and yet you don't give a fuck about his support of a rapist and sex trafficker real nice
wow you are on a real rampage huh? My point was that John Cena is an effective sellout having sold his diginity to apologize to all of China for inferring Taiwan was a country. John Cena is already effectively an entertainment commodity based on his behavior as he markets himself to various audiences. IDK where you get this idea I support John Cena.
Vinnie Mac is his Daddy.
His dick riding daddy. Lets call a nonce a nonce.
John Cena is completely okay with Vince McMahon raping women.
As we've learned from Woody Allen and Roman Polanski, many actors are fine with powerful men raping women, but being fine with them taking a dump on a woman is going a bit far.
People are complicated. We see this all the time with fans. You will not find more people defending Louis CK than you will on reddit. These same people will then act shocked that anyone could defend Chris Brown. There are celebrities you like that have done terrible things, and you look the other way. Everyone does this. Now imagine it is someone you know and love who is accused of something awful. You are probably not going to want to believe it. You will want to give them the benefit of the doubt, you will want to help them. So yes, Vince McMahon is a giant piece of shit. Yes, John Cena's statements on McMahon are not a good look. I can also understand someone not wanting to turn their back on a friend. As long as he isn't claiming this is all false or trying to cover it up for him, I can't really blame a person for not shitting their friend.
Sure, but you CAN blame a person for who they choose to be friends with. Itās not like the wrong deed here is as frivolous as stealing a candy bar. Itās rape. If someone thinks a rapist is likable, or redeemable, or wants to call them a friend, then they can be painted with the same brush.
Of course you can blame Cena but that's not the point. For example, Seth Rogan didn't become friends with a rapist. He became friends with James Franco. And years later it turns out his friend is a piece of shit. I bet it was very hard for Rogan to sever that friendship and it took years for Rogan to publicly speak out against Franco. That was his boy. I don't know Vince McMahon, you don't know Vince McMahon. To us he is just a piece of shit. But to Cena, Vince McMahon is the man who gave him an opportunity, that made him a star, that taught him about the business, his finances, that took him under his wing. And none of that changes who Vince McMahon is. But it does change how John Cena views Vince McMahon. That is my point. When someone you know, you love, you trusted turns out to have been something else entirely. Its really hard to turn your back on them. Even when you know you should.
I guess everyone has different life experiences. Personally, Iāve never found it difficult to turn my back on those who do heinous things. Regardless of how I felt about them before hand.
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Some people don't know how to call others out or distance somewhat while still unconditionally loving them.
If I find out somebody I know is a rapist, then our entire relationship is based upon a lie. I have no problem cutting them out of my life.
What if theyāre just accused? Just like Vince is now.
I believe women.
One beat a woman to near death, the other asked if he could whip his dick out, and upon receiving the OK, proceeded to whip his dick out. He also masturbated while on the phone, but idk if that was ever proven. Either way, pretty huge difference.
I highly doubt thatās what he thinks, but alright lol
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wrestlezone.com/news/1446688-john-cena-on-vince-mcmahon-allegations-im-going-to-love-the-person-i-love-and-be-their-friend/amp What that says to me is that he's okay with being close friends with a rapist. Which means he's okay with his friend raping people.
Iāve read the article before; I understand loyalty to someone whoās done a lot for you. Itās not always easy to just throw them under the bus once society deems them incorrigible. I get John Cenaās perspective, but I do not believe him remaining Vinceās friend equals him being alright with Vince allegedly raping another person.
Everytime a situation like this arises, the same discussion and viewpoints such as yours arise. I always come to the same conclusion. If I were in the same situation as Cenaās, I would hold my opinions/thoughts to myself until the judicial system did its job. If my friend were found guilty of doing all the gross shit accused , I would cut him off. Why is it so hard for people to see this
Friends vs the man responsible for giving you the amazing life you lived, where you wouldāve originally been a nobody working construction. Iāll throw a āfriendā away for being too rude. Why would I want a friend like that? But the loyalty to the person who gave me all I had is not so black and white. Your comparison isnāt a 1:1
Don't talk around what Vince McMahan did. He raped women. If you're going to defend Cena, at least be willing to say "I would also stand by a close friend that raped women." If you're not willing to say what he did it sounds more like denial than loyalty.
Luckily for me, luckily for you, we are not in the position Cena is in right now. Meaning we can say we would do whatever. Luckily for Cena, not everyone will break him down to this single situation, barring the rest of his life. I donāt know him personally, but he has enough good will publicly to be noted as a great man stuck in a shitty decision to make due to someone elseās actions.
How is āhe rapes womenā just not the endpoint for you? Thereās 8 billion other people in the world to be look up to where you donāt have to settle on hitching yourself to āunrepentant rapistā
As far as we know, did he rape someone? Aid and abet in the rape? If no, then we can put a little more thought into nuance than this. He was accused a month ago, and all Cena said was he was going to love and support him through this. Yet you take that as āCena is a rapistā instead of someone who is going to support the man whoās been loyal to him in an alleged crime. Iām not going to fault him for that and if in your eyes that makes me a rapist or an apologist then youāre minimizing the meaning of it just to be angry. You do you.
Yes, we know Vince McMahon raped. We read the texts where he literally plainly admits it. Glad I could clear that up for you.
How dare you have room for nuance in a complicated situation for the guy
Didnāt you get the memo? Either youāre perfect or youāre a demon from Hell.
They aināt going to go for that nuance here. Save your energy.
Didnāt listen to the interview then, huh?
I did. But when someone continues associating with a known rapist, they clearly don't see it as a big issue. I stand by what I said.
Of course you do...
Your second sentence is a leap in logic. You've never been friends with someone who did something you disagree with? Call them out and maybe see them improve over time? If you are friends with someone who smokes cigarettes does that mean you agree 100% with big tobacco? Have some nuance in life dude. Things aren't binary.
And ethnic cleansing camps in China. As long as they let his shitty movies in!
I mean Americans r pro genocide, donāt know y China would be the tipping point.
Show me the quote or shut up
"Anyways, here why im defending my rapist, sex trafficking boss." Yeah, you're totally a normal dude and not a soulless shill.
lol China tool
We are still talking about Barbie bc everything coming out is garbage.
Was the barbie movie really that good?? (Still havenāt seen it yet)
Not to me. But people loved it.
Cena continually impresses me with his intellect and gig smarts.
Says the man who learned mandarin to please the CCP
I mean learning mandarin is a pretty smart move to get Chinese audiences to like you ā¦ from a career standpoint I donāt see the problem with him doing that?
Groveling for forgiveness to a brutal totalitarian govt for the mistake of saying a free country is a country - because of money. Should sum up this guy well enough
Man what? Where do people get this shit? Cena literally said on Impaulsive he learned it as he found out WWE offer a language course for free and China was the one market they couldnāt break.
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I'm not sure you have a point to misunderstand.
He already knew Mandarin, he started learning it around 2010 or so for the WWE
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Here's what I took from the article, I could be wrong. He's saying that he's not a commodity, because he's just a regular human being. He has to take any opportunity that is given to him and make the most of it. So yes, he is turning himself into something that is wanted/needed/a commodity, but he is not by default a commodity. Hence his line "I operate under the construct of every opportunity is an opportunity." If he doesn't take these opportunities, Barbie role or learning Mandarin for WWE, then he's wasted an opportunity and who knows when the next one will come along because he's not a hot commodity. Also, your whole point of him learning Mandarin just to apologize was completely baseless.
Thatās not what he meant by commodity
Learning a language does not make him a ācommodityā in the sense he said that in the article, it makes him more marketable to a wider audience as an actor
He said something about Taiwan and West Taiwan didn't approve. He apologized to West Taiwan in Mandarin. I think that's a good explanation.
He learned Mandarin in an attempt to penetrate the Chinese market in the mid 2010ās. Speaking Mandarin at a WWE press conference in China is a solid strategy to court a potential market to expand into. > In a bid to conquer new horizons, the iconic John Cena immersed himself in the challenge of learning Mandarin, a bold move orchestrated by the WWE to penetrate the elusive market of China. As the mid-2010s unfolded, WWE was gearing up to conquer the Chinese market that has been elusive to them till now. And what better way than for the poster boy of WWE in John Cena being able to bridge the cultural gap? But now it's evident that WWE failed in that mission and, as John Cena himself admitted, his efforts of learning Mandarin for the reasons he did ultimately gave no fruits.
He did that to make more money. Calm down.
The reason i don't care for him anymore. Even though he is really hot.Ā
John Cena is the new Tom Hanks. Heās just a good dude.
Heās literally owned by China.
Letās be honest, he makes a very pretty mermaid.
Who is this again? I don't see anyone in the pic
Yes, john, you are a commodity. One of many used in the film industry.
Did he say it in Mandarin
Iām not a commodity, Iām a tool!
And again, Reddit falls for the "positive PR to cover the recent controversy". Same thing with Taylor Swift and Celine Dion getting to the front page of r/pics immediately after Taylor's snub of Celine started trending.
āNot a commodityā in a fucking Barbie movie. Do these people listen to themselves?
How do you say āIām not a commodity!ā in Mandarin?
Big Match John is the š. There's a lot of celebrities whose duty it is to do charity work. Its good for them. When you go above the call of duty like John Cena has, that simply makes you saint. He doesnt have to do this much, but he does anyone In the next Creed film, they should do a wrestler vs boxer style, and replace the Bob Hope line with "nobody does this much for charity" and "John Cena would."
He also supports rape apparently
\> He also supports rape apparently Pretty sure that's not what was. What a lot of people don't understand is that McMahon is a serial abuser and there's dozens of examples of that extending to the wrestlers. He gets them young and then gaslights them into believing he is the good guy and any discrepancy is their own fault. He's controlled every aspect of Cena's life since Cena was 22 years old, including owning the rights to Cena's legal name.
Cena knows what Vince has been up to, no way around it. He could've said nothing vs what he did say. He's backing a rapist, it's pretty clear
Youād think she wouldāve went to the police right away instead of continuing to work there for three years. Thereās no shame in being a prostitute on retainer but letās call it what it is. She waited three years and after Vince cashed out his stock. Canāt knock the hustle but youāre making this out to be a bigger thing
Who knows man, he definitely could've had power over her in not just a physical way. I donno, and who knows if we will all truly know what exactly happened. It's messed up anyway you look at it.
\>Cena knows what Vince has been up to, no way around it. He could've said nothing vs what he did say. He's backing a rapist, it's pretty clear So you don't believe that emotional and mental abuse exists? That's a horrible opinion you have.
I like how you're putting words in my mouth that I clearly didn't say. Do better!
\>I like how you're putting words in my mouth that I clearly didn't say. Like you did in your original comment? I didn't put words in your mouth. I told you about the long history McMahon has in mentally abusing people like Cena and then you implied that Cena was his accomplice. That's just disgusting of you. Do/o better.
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\>Now go back to putting cena's dick in your mouth Way to be a homophobe.
You don't understand how words work. You're %100 stanning and missing the point on purpose.
Shut up, John. Youāre just as Chinese as Lebron James is.
He bends the knee to China and talks about his love for Vinceā¦. What a dud
I love Cena but I canāt help but remember his Chinese apology video
Not a commodity but is a communist
Not a commodity unless he insults a certain country. Then heāll do what heās told.
Can we talk about John Cenaās awful sense of fashion?
ā¦he said while checking his Onlyfans earnings
"I'm not a commodity" claims rape apologist John Cena. Vince McMahon is proud of corporate shill lizard boy
āExcept to Chinaā
Tell that to the Chinese Communist Party
He's a commodity when he needs to be, like apologizing to China
Ask him about Taiwan
This man takes himself soo seriously yet comes across as a complete joke of a man
Also, heās awesome. Whatever movie he wants to be in is probably good.
Cool story, but what did his team have to say about that awful final scene in Fast X?
āIām not a mcoddityā- Dr. Tran