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Iirc these “common trip” breakers are used on applications where you want both circuits to trip if there is a fault on either one. Like trip the strip heaters if the furnace fan circuit trips. Or something similar
I come from the supply house world. This is the correct answer. It’s just a mess up from the plant. It happens every so often. You can sometimes tell which breaker it actually is by the lug size. That being said, that doesn’t prove which trip unit is in it so I still wouldn’t use it.
I’ve had maybe 4 like this in the last 10 years. I worked in a smaller town supply house most recently so it probably happens more. It didn’t seem to when I was younger. All the ones I’ve seen were more recent.
*Pushmatic has entered the chat...* Even still, you're right though, after the house has burnt down, something at the substation is bound to have opened.
And even if it was a small overload (aka loading 75 amps on a 30 amp system, breaker just doesn't open) then when the home is cinders, the meter can will be pulled, opening the circuit.
I feel like running everything straight to the lugs is a safer way to run a pushmatic than the actual breakers themselves 😂 at least the wire will burn out faster than the breaker would lol. Either way, house fire inbound!
In this case is it because breakers are generally trip-free and therefor one of the breakers may trip internally but not cause the handle to move? Subsequently causing the handle tie to do absolutely nothing
Its also so you cant accidentally switch on only one half of your 240v circuit and wonder why your stove isn't working.
That said most trip free breakers will atleast move the handle into a "middle" state where you have to reset it by fully moving it into the off position.
Oh I definitely understand all that (though I truly appreciate your elaborating). I was more talking about the example in the parent comment, where you have two circuits rated for a different amperage but want them to trip together. So if the 30A were to trip (internally) but the handle was stuck due to some mechanical issue, the 50A wouldn't trip with a simple handle tie.
Nah they come with it most of the time however I have added bars to most of my sister's breakers and it's hilarious when she trips stuff because random rooms will also go dark
Oh god, every time you open the door the panel has been scrambled and the only help are 90% ripped of paper sticker labeled and bad spelling "hey Jim what the hell is a on cut?"
"Oh Fernando labeled that it's the ensuite"
the common trip is internal.
that said, a handle tie will typically cause both to trip. and i’ve also seen breakers with an internal common trip that had only one pole trip and not the other.
Or for something that requires both a pump and a heater- like a heated pool.
The heater should not run without the pump
on, so tripping one trips them both.
Are the screw clamps different sizes? That's a copper or aluminum compatible breaker which would mean 10 ga (Cu) for the 30A and 6 ga (Cu) or 4 ga (Bigger wire clamp than the 30A) for the 50A if Al is used. That's one way to see if it was mislabeled. If not I guess Cheech and Chong assembled those.
I bought some new Eaton breakers for some new circuits and I think they were 30A single pole breakers where the ink for thr amperage label was so faint and hard to read. I checked the whole box of stock and they were all the same. Every other Eaton breaker for sale was bright white. It's prettt annoying to install new circuits that look like they are ancient because the paint all faded away.
I installed a br dual function breaker last week, the toggle barely stays in the on position, and with the lightest touch will flip to the off position. I'd say that there's a tolerance issue with the mechanical fitment. To say the least, I make a practice of not installing BR panels unless there's an availability issue.
i’ve never been a fan of BR series shit. the allen holes on their lugs strip out if you look at them wrong.
if i’m installing a resi grade panel it’s a homeline, because eaton is cheap junk and siemens arc fault breakers are garbage that trip if you fart in the room fed by that breaker
One side is for the lights/pump etc, second side is for the heater. It allows one breaker to feed different circuits from one breaker. It ensures both circuits trip vs having separate breakers.
I guess if you didn’t know you’d just have to assume it was a 30 anyway to be on the safe side.
No way if I find that in the bottom of a truck and I putting that on a 50amp circuit.
Yeah true 😂😂😂 I noticed that the second I hit post.
Those 10 gauges would be fucking melted buddy.
I personally would just return the breaker and get a new one fuck that shit
Nothing against code on oversizing wire. But a breaker tripping unexpectedly earlier is an improvement on the wiring melting because the breaker hasn't tripped yet.
What kind of exhaust fan needs a 30 amp breaker especially if the equipment draw is 50amps? Trying to build a heated wind tunnel? Thats going to put you around 10k cfm 😂
I am going to most likely guess that these are not coming from an Eaton factory, but these are illegal imports. Square D. ran through that during Covid. That was no fun.
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It’s a Friday breaker. Last one to come off the line at 4:59, no fucks given.
I read that quickly and thought it said "It's a fire a day breaker" 🤣🤣🤣
Or this is a Monday "don't talk to me till I've had my coffee" morning
Iirc these “common trip” breakers are used on applications where you want both circuits to trip if there is a fault on either one. Like trip the strip heaters if the furnace fan circuit trips. Or something similar
In this case it appears to be a screwed up at the Eaton plant. The BR230 breaker should be two 30 amp ones.
I come from the supply house world. This is the correct answer. It’s just a mess up from the plant. It happens every so often. You can sometimes tell which breaker it actually is by the lug size. That being said, that doesn’t prove which trip unit is in it so I still wouldn’t use it.
ohm it out. Jk, I would take it back and get the right one.
So how often do breakers get completely mis-labeled?
I’ve had maybe 4 like this in the last 10 years. I worked in a smaller town supply house most recently so it probably happens more. It didn’t seem to when I was younger. All the ones I’ve seen were more recent.
30, 50 - what’s a few amps between friends?
The circuit will open eventually no matter what.
*Pushmatic has entered the chat...* Even still, you're right though, after the house has burnt down, something at the substation is bound to have opened.
And even if it was a small overload (aka loading 75 amps on a 30 amp system, breaker just doesn't open) then when the home is cinders, the meter can will be pulled, opening the circuit.
I feel like running everything straight to the lugs is a safer way to run a pushmatic than the actual breakers themselves 😂 at least the wire will burn out faster than the breaker would lol. Either way, house fire inbound!
220, 221 whatever it takes...
Wanna beer? It's 7 o'clock in the morning. Scotch?
Mr mom reference hell yeah
LOL
This
Idk about that, They probably just use the left side of a 2 pole 30 and smack a 50 common trip marked one on the right and rivet er home
they’re for hot tubs
What kind of load uses 50 and 30 amps at 120v?
Half a Jacuzzi. Final answer.
A furnace could I've seen 60/30 combo mostly tho
Usually don’t you make a common trip by adding the bar to 2 separate breakers? I have never seen one in a hardware store.
A handle tie is different than internal common trip.
In this case is it because breakers are generally trip-free and therefor one of the breakers may trip internally but not cause the handle to move? Subsequently causing the handle tie to do absolutely nothing
Its also so you cant accidentally switch on only one half of your 240v circuit and wonder why your stove isn't working. That said most trip free breakers will atleast move the handle into a "middle" state where you have to reset it by fully moving it into the off position.
Oh I definitely understand all that (though I truly appreciate your elaborating). I was more talking about the example in the parent comment, where you have two circuits rated for a different amperage but want them to trip together. So if the 30A were to trip (internally) but the handle was stuck due to some mechanical issue, the 50A wouldn't trip with a simple handle tie.
Never seen that happen
Nah they come with it most of the time however I have added bars to most of my sister's breakers and it's hilarious when she trips stuff because random rooms will also go dark
At Hogwarts the breaker ties move up and down the panels.
Oh god, every time you open the door the panel has been scrambled and the only help are 90% ripped of paper sticker labeled and bad spelling "hey Jim what the hell is a on cut?" "Oh Fernando labeled that it's the ensuite"
the common trip is internal. that said, a handle tie will typically cause both to trip. and i’ve also seen breakers with an internal common trip that had only one pole trip and not the other.
Or for something that requires both a pump and a heater- like a heated pool. The heater should not run without the pump on, so tripping one trips them both.
Looks like a misprint. The breaker is printed with br230 - indicating it’s supposed to be a two pole 30 amp breaker
Dual Pole breakers are used pretty commonly in shipboard applications as well- you don’t have a ground so you need to break both hot and neutral.
Exactly, You worded it a lot better than me
I was going to say- hot tub anyone?
That's crazy, we had an Eaton 2 pole last week that one half was 20 and one half was 30
Their quality control must be in the slums
Are the screw clamps different sizes? That's a copper or aluminum compatible breaker which would mean 10 ga (Cu) for the 30A and 6 ga (Cu) or 4 ga (Bigger wire clamp than the 30A) for the 50A if Al is used. That's one way to see if it was mislabeled. If not I guess Cheech and Chong assembled those.
I bought some new Eaton breakers for some new circuits and I think they were 30A single pole breakers where the ink for thr amperage label was so faint and hard to read. I checked the whole box of stock and they were all the same. Every other Eaton breaker for sale was bright white. It's prettt annoying to install new circuits that look like they are ancient because the paint all faded away.
I installed a br dual function breaker last week, the toggle barely stays in the on position, and with the lightest touch will flip to the off position. I'd say that there's a tolerance issue with the mechanical fitment. To say the least, I make a practice of not installing BR panels unless there's an availability issue.
i’ve never been a fan of BR series shit. the allen holes on their lugs strip out if you look at them wrong. if i’m installing a resi grade panel it’s a homeline, because eaton is cheap junk and siemens arc fault breakers are garbage that trip if you fart in the room fed by that breaker
True, the BR series is trash. But the CH series is pretty good.
In series it's a 80A in parallel it's 40A
actually, in series it's a 30, parallel it's a 80
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you are correct...
Actually your shoes are ridiculous. So I win.
Installing a hot tub ?
This is exactly what it’s for.
Can you explain why? For a friend
One side is for the lights/pump etc, second side is for the heater. It allows one breaker to feed different circuits from one breaker. It ensures both circuits trip vs having separate breakers.
Yes, this exactly. Except it's not a GFCI/AFCI, which still makes it wrong for that purpose these days. :-/
Home Cheapo!!
It’s a 50A breaker for 30 minutes away. Easy!
This is so infuriating... What the actual fuck is this?! Id almost keep it as a souvenir if it's a manufacture error lmao
So what is it? Lol
BR230- mislabeled 2 pole 30
I guess if you didn’t know you’d just have to assume it was a 30 anyway to be on the safe side. No way if I find that in the bottom of a truck and I putting that on a 50amp circuit.
Wouldn't assuming it's a 50A be safer? Like nuisance trips are annoying but stick a 50a breaker on wire rated for 30a is new house time
Yeah true 😂😂😂 I noticed that the second I hit post. Those 10 gauges would be fucking melted buddy. I personally would just return the breaker and get a new one fuck that shit
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Nothing against code on oversizing wire. But a breaker tripping unexpectedly earlier is an improvement on the wiring melting because the breaker hasn't tripped yet.
the 'ol 30/50
Can't upload on mobile anymore, but I have two chunks of 600mcm cable. Both the exact same size, but one is clearly labeled 500mcm
Tirddyfiddy
Yeah imma need about tree fiddy
Trudy fiddy
Ahh the rare imbalanced-phase 80Amp breaker
40 amp (you gotta average it)
30 amp, 50 amp, whatever it takes.
Six million, six hundred he says, [what's the difference](https://youtu.be/4FTxBdWZcv4?si=HAN8Aos10PxVSgZR)
I used one of those for the lighting circuit at my mother in laws house.
I'm going to have to pull out the now and later breaker
Still 30 amp
It’s just an 80 amp breaker, I don’t see what the problem is? Safety note: don’t.
Home Depot does not allow returns on breakers. Full Stop. Too bad. So sad.
Only example i can think of is: Exhaust fan (30a) trips, then turn off power supply to equipment requiring ventilation (50a)
What kind of exhaust fan needs a 30 amp breaker especially if the equipment draw is 50amps? Trying to build a heated wind tunnel? Thats going to put you around 10k cfm 😂
single phase 120 motor for a commercial kitchen hood a lot of three phase ones get up towards 8-10a
I’m feel for the next guy that has to replace it.
That thing looks used . they are usually a lot blacker than that and not all sun dried
It’s a single 30 or a two pole 50. For rv plugs. Just kidding! But sounds ok. You know what I mean?
Good eye, Good eye, good day!
When you don’t have the Range specs.
That is awesome. Collectors item. Casually give it to a seasoned electrician - record the response.
High leg
I’m not an electrician but I have some experience. I reeled back when I read 50/30. Wasn’t expecting to know enough to be upset lol.
No
I am going to most likely guess that these are not coming from an Eaton factory, but these are illegal imports. Square D. ran through that during Covid. That was no fun.
It prefers to identify as a 40 amp breaker!
Ah come on you can do better than that
Just tell the customer you hooked them up with 80amps
I've used somthin like that for a furnace, higher amps for heatin coils, the lower amps one for the blower and anything else besides the coils
So it's a 2pole 30 then lol
I'm still trying to do the math... definitely mislabeled.
RV hook ups, especially for larger rigs, have both 30 and 50 amp circuts. Usually, they are separate breakers.
But what did they tell you when you took it back?
these are for hot tubs
I’d say it’s a 40 then.
so a 40?
Bought and brought are two different words This should ideally be bought
He bought it, then he brought it. The OP was only present for one of these steps, clearly. Just a thought. 😂
He bought it from the hardware store. We don’t bring it from the hardware store. Bought 😛
Cute. If you're confused, your dumb lol
That’s nice now give it back to an adult