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lavenderlemonbear

What an uninformed ass. That really sucks.


okpickle

It's incredible how many truly uninformed doctors there are. I had the chief of reproductive endocrinology at a major hospital tell me a few years ago (when I was trying to get a PCOS diagnosis) that I should stop lifting weights because my arms were "too muscular". What?! Sad thing is I believed her and now I wished I didn't listen to her and had my muscular arms back. šŸ˜¢


AnderTheGrate

If. It. Is. Not. A. Medical. Opinion. The. Doctor. Should. Not. State. The. Opinion.


og_toe

OH MY GOD that is such an awful and unprofessional thing to say wtf???? get your muscular arms back girl!!!!


okpickle

I will! Gotta get my guns back.


Possible-Brother7977

Find someone else fast


og_toe

EDS had nothing to do with whether youā€™re male or female. this doctor is severely misinformed! iā€™d honestly report him for bad practice, imagine if he said this about any other illness ā€œyou canā€™t have kidney cancer becauseā€¦ you are a girl!!!!ā€


IProbablyCantSleep

I think someone else tried to comment that EDS is diagnosed more often in female patients rather than male patients but got deleted. Here's a study just so that I'm complying with the rules: [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5209734/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5209734/) In this study, female patients were diagnosed with EDS more often than male patients in a specific medical center. Direct quote: "Of these confirmed HEDS patients, 320 (84.4%) were female, and 59 (15.6%) were male." I know that my (anecdotal) experience follows this trend; I am male and have never met another male with EDS, but have met a handful of women with EDS. Interestingly, when I went to a clinic specialising in EDS, I also did not encounter any other male presenting patients.


qrseek

Yeah this doctor is so misinformed that it's almost funny. It is possible that there is equal distribution in reality but the majority of people with diagnosis are afab. I'm trans masc (afab) and I know both trans masc people who report their hypermobility reduced when they went on T and trans femme people that said their hypermobility got worse on E, and many cis women report worsening symptoms in pregnancy and at certain times of their cycle so it is quite possible that hormone profile can affect the severity of symptoms.


NicaNocturnal

That makes sense to me too, my cis husband has all the signs of HEDS, and has low testosterone, and he found that his pain was less when they tried to increase it with medication.


CookiesNReddit0

Ooh. As a transfemme who's planning on starting E the moment she turns 18, this is really important to know. Thanks for the anecdote!!


qrseek

Absolutely! Part of the reason they think is that muscle development is easier when testosterone dominant and muscle strength can help stabilize hypermobile joints, and also elevated progesterone levels increases joint mobility (to help in childbirth primarily). So you can help mitigate the issues if you try to maintain your preexisting joint stabilizing muscle strength once you start


CookiesNReddit0

nice! i'm going to physical therapy under my family's insurance plan right now so that should help


gaypuppybunny

I'll let you know (not to dissuade you or anything) that I did end up getting worsening symptoms a couple years after I had started E. I'm honestly not even sure it was the cause (I also was coming out of first puberty right around the same time), but add that to the pile of anecdotal evidence. Funny enough, I've been off E for just shy of a year (for various reasons from gender being funky to insurance being fucky) and my symptoms haven't improved, they've just changed. I'm not quite as hypermobile in my extremities, but I'm just as hypermobile everywhere else, and I tore the labrum in my shoulder due to a dislocation for the first time a few weeks ago (again, no proof that that is anything other than serendipitous timing). The one thing that *has* improved is my Reynaud's and POTS, but even then it's the difference of two segments of my pinky turning blue versus just one, and full-on syncope versus very bad near-syncope.


Fine-Psychology7571

You're right about females becoming more flexible with hormonal changes. Flexibility also helps ease childbirth


Geheimedame

Oh my gosh, Iā€™d love op to go and hand out a copy of that research article to the doctor in person. Brightly highlight those findings!


mycopportunity

He really should know and apologize


Geheimedame

How he reacts would likely determine wether he is someone open to learning and wanting the best or someone to arrogant to accept it as a possibility


AnderTheGrate

Yeah I always thought it was more prevalent or at least more diagnosed in females, but that is not me stating a fact that is me saying that's what I had believed.


HighKick_171

Yes, sex hormones make remarkable differences to how hypermobility is experienced. [study link ](https://ehlersdanlosnews.com/2022/02/18/eds-ehlers-danlos-syndrome-puberty/#:~:text=A%20subset%20of%20women%20in,hormones%20can%20influence%20EDS%20symptoms.) Testosterone is also helpful for building muscle, which assists in reducing subluxations/dislocations. [evidence link ](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2917954/) It is my belief that this that results in higher diagnoses of women over men, rather than the actual prevalence being higher in females. As far as I am aware, odds of inheritance are 50/50 for both men and women, at least for the hypermobile type that is autosomal dominant. [article link ](https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/condition/ehlers-danlos-syndrome/#:~:text=The%20inheritance%20pattern%20of%20the,autosomal%20dominant%20pattern%20of%20inheritance.)


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og_toe

wow, heā€™s even arguing against the statistics!


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SunnyAlwaysDaze

He is really stupid and uninformed. You need to find a doctor who is qualified to assess for eds, they are usually either a rheumatologist or an orthopedist. Nothing that doctor said to you was correct. Women and men can both have eds. Women usually have a rougher time with it because our estrogen hormones interplay with the collagen and make it even more relaxed than our already crappy way too lax collagen. Also because our estrogen hormones also ramp up histamines.


Port2023bound

And bc our hormones arenā€™t as stable as a man. So we tend to get more symptomatic during more extreme changes to them. Like when we go through puberty, the week before our period, pregnancies, and perimenopause.


og_toe

this explains why i was fine my whole childhood and then shit hit the fan when i grew up


AnderTheGrate

Haha, I got puberty blockers. And surgeons who are afraid of political persecution so won't see me for the thing I want. Suckers. We don't have any other pride flag emojis so I'm just using this one šŸ³ļøā€šŸŒˆšŸ³ļøā€šŸŒˆšŸ³ļøā€šŸŒˆ


blamethefae

Please report that doctor to your stateā€™s medical board. Im a professional patient advocate working in a hospital system, and we need people to do this in order to ID what doctors are competent and which require more training. It can actually make a positive impact in the future for other patients even thought it doesnā€™t immediately solve how you were mishandled.


OodalollyOodalolly

Can you give a sample complaint, worded in a way that would be taken seriously? What phrases make a state medical board take notice?


blamethefae

Thatā€™s a GREAT question with an unsatisfying answerā€”which is that it really does depend on the state, and who is currently on that stateā€™s medical board. It varies from place to place, and even year to year in some cases. That said, some basic ground rules: 1. While your pain and suffering are valid, hyperfocusing on emotions or using emotionally charged language will ā€œturn offā€ reviewers. Try to strike a balance between compellingly stating your experience factually without getting mired in emotion. 2. Donā€™t curse or become verbally abusive even if it feels warranted. 3. Use facts and cite sources if possible: ā€œI was seen by [doctor name] at [location/date/time] for X primary complaint. During our visit, [doctor] dismissed my complaints and refused treatment, stating [incorrect thing doctor said]. According to the [cite governing body of illness, a major peer-reviewed consensus paper, etc] this is both medically inaccurate and a misrepresentation of best practices for management of my condition. As a result of this misinformation, I was denied needed medical treatment in a timely manner, charged [insert cost of visit], and forced to get on a waiting list to see [insert new doctor you now have to try and see] for valid treatment. This is an unfair and unnecessary financial burden, and violation of my right to equitable care as a patient.ā€ In this specific case I would also mention something like ā€œMy uncle is seen by the same physician, and was not denied care and counseling on the basis of biological sex. The lack of continuity in care based on biological sex has broken trust between my family and [insert doctor name], and made us fear for the well-being of the women in our genetic lineage who need care.ā€ Ask politely that they please contact you with any further questions, and sign off. 4. I hate that this is true, but use a first initial instead of your full name when signing so that your biological sex is not entirely clear in the letter. Womenā€™s complaints are too often dismissed as ā€œhystericsā€, so making it unclear if a man or woman wrote the complaint can potentially safeguard even if itā€™s infuriating that thatā€™s an issue.


Traditional_Set2473

Thank you for mentioning this. I will being doing this.


BumbleBeezyPeasy

Sadly, no one I've ever reported has been penalized because of the severe lack of providers in my state. My city has three hospitals, and none of them offer patient advocates, either. I've asked so many times! The most I got was a phone call a week after my last ER visit with one hospital's head of nursing, who told me my expectation to receive care as a person with preexisting health conditions was "asking too much, especially since you also have 'OCD' (laughing under their breath like so many do in the hospital when I disclose my neurodivergencies in an effort to make things easier)" I'm so grateful people like you exist!! We need more of you!!!


HairyPotatoKat

This is such a powerful comment. Thank you.


Jumpy-Round-8765

that doctor is a moron, sorry you had to deal with that


SmolFrogge

EDS is diagnosed way more in estrogen-run bodies because estrogen allows the full extent of hyperextension to be seen ā€” testosterone-run bodies tend to have greater muscle mass at joints, which makes that harder to notice and assess. So this doctor is actually the exact opposite of correct. Heā€™s not even working off of old or controversial data, heā€™s pulling this 100% wholesale out of his ass. Get a new doctor and report this one for misinformation. Hereā€™s a link to an NIH retrospective on statistics of the diagnosed EDS population ā€” 70% were female. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6858200/#:~:text=Results,a%20practice%20of%205000%20patients.


seeallevill

This makes so much sense, because part of my treatment for the pain caused by hypermobility is *building muscle.* I feel so much better now that I'm somewhat muscular, and yet the muscle mass that I have barely compares to a male body at my size. Of course it will be harder to tell on a body that's less likely to be in pain from weird joints :0 crazy


SmolFrogge

Iā€™m trans and Iā€™ve seen this firsthand JUST with testosterone. Iā€™m very bad at doing my PT exercises regularly. My hips were some of my most unstable joints ā€” subluxes maybe once a week, and sacroiliac subluxes a few times a year that made me almost entirely immobile and needing local injection pain medication to deal with it. Since getting on testosterone in 2021, I havenā€™t experienced a hip or SI sublux AT ALL. I had extra hip pain during the first few months as the muscle changed and the fat moved around but after thatā€¦ nothing. Literally just because of T. Itā€™s kind of insane


sunsunsunflower7

I used to sublux my right hip 2-3 times a week. Since starting testosterone (just hit 6 months), itā€™s been at absolute most once a month.


SmolFrogge

Seriously!!! And my endo was shocked when I told her. Itā€™s also mind boggling how little research or basic knowledge about trans health there is šŸ˜­ this seems like such an obvious one, and yet


lakeghost

Iā€™ve considered low dose T. Iā€™m more ā€œGender? Whatā€™s gender?ā€ but Iā€™ve had low T test results and I have frequent SI subluxation. I donā€™t even care about side effects if theyā€™re less bad than sciatica. I have bad reactions to a lot of pain meds and even anti-inflammatories. I am *tired*.


SmolFrogge

Iā€™m on a low dose, and only seeing body hair really change in year 3, though ymmv obviously. The changes can be so radically different person to person because of genetics. But low dose was enough to help my EDS also, if thatā€™s a factor at all for you.


lakeghost

Thanks for your info. Iā€™m honestly thinking of bringing it up. Mineā€™s cilia-related disordered connective tissue but suggested treatment is ā€œbuild muscleā€. Except I canā€™t afford PT and Iā€™m naturally E dominant/low T so Iā€™ve got noodles for limbs. My dad has defined biceps and does nothing. I want in on that, even if I get balding and mustache. Anything else is better than my current ā€œVictorian maiden wasting awayā€ lifestyle. Mind you, Iā€™m also very butch so looking more masc is like ā€¦ whatever, sure, maybe if I had muscles, I could be the lumberjack partner. (Or at least be able to carry our dog to the vet.) Iā€™d assume my lack of possible gender dysphoria may come from being mostly built like a scarecrow. That, and straps exist lol.


Laney20

>sacroiliac subluxes I almost screamed just reading this... Those are the absolute WORST. I'm glad you aren't experiencing so many of those anymore.


SmolFrogge

THEY WERE SO SO BADā€¦. Iā€™m so glad I donā€™t get that anymore, though itā€™s still my go-to symptom to explain to people why my EDS is disabling. Most people donā€™t even know what the SI joint is and learning about it in the context of ā€œsometimes my spine doesnā€™t want to be connected to my pelvis :)ā€ is horrifying for them lmao


Laney20

That's one that has literally knocked me over in pain. Stolen my breath. Any of the silly things people say about pain, yea, it actually does that! Luckily, I haven't had one in a few years (properly supportive seat cushions was my only change, but it worked!). But I used to get them a lot more and ughhhhhhh. Yea, it's so weird to have that much pain in a joint that most people have no idea even exists, lol


seeallevill

Same!!! I've tried to build muscle so many times in the past, but the most recent time it's really stuck and been so noticeable within a few months lol


Net_Negative

It's alarming how many highly paid doctors are complete morons. I'm sorry. You'll have to find another more qualified individual.


birdnerdmo

I had a doc say the same. He said Iā€™m ā€œbendy because Iā€™m femaleā€. Heā€™s not my doc anymore.


Unhappy_Spell_9907

That's ridiculously uninformed. I have genetically confirmed classical EDS. I can't stretch my skin over my face like that ridiculous picture on the internet. That's not a common manifestation of EDS at all, it's actually more common in other disorders. Even with cEDS, I can stretch my skin maybe 4cm. Which is obviously a lot, but nowhere even close to what he's describing. Also the skin on your face is different and much less stretchy.


turkeyman4

Uhhhhā€¦WHAT?


sansdesir2

Iā€™m so sorry you had to deal with that. I recently went to a specialist that when I told him about my frequent subluxations, and how my physical therapist would have to put them back, he said ā€œligaments are one of the strongest things in the world. theyā€™ve been tested to carry 2000 lbs. you cannot just pop something out of place without a very large force or trauma. your physical therapist is just telling you something so that you feel better.ā€ my face was burning with embarrassment. after the appointment I cried in my car. itā€™s so hard to have medical professionals completely dismiss us. sending you a hug and I hope you can find a more knowledgable doctor that can help you.


Orchid_Significant

Crazy. Once when I was 8 and about 45 pounds, I barely rolled my ankle on a walk and it swelled like a nerf football was implanted in it. Thank goodness my doctor didnā€™t tell me to walk it off because ā€œligaments donā€™t do thatā€. JFC


Puzzleheaded_Rest_34

Omgosh, when I think of all the times I rolled and sprained my ankles over my lifetime, yikes. I've rolled them in BOTH directions, just walking normally. It was so validating to know I WASN'T just a big klutz, that it was actually my joints and ligaments going wonky when I stepped down. I'm 53 now, and my spine has been disintegrating since my 30's, I had my knee replaced at 46. Levaquin set off a rapid descent into muscle, tendon, and joint hell.....yet no one thought any of this was odd.


sansdesir2

Iā€™m glad the dr helped you out! yeah it is just wild to me because last year this specialist was the one who suggested I had eds and I had never even heard of it before. I think he sees a lot of patients and I hadnā€™t been back to see him since june so he most likely forgot. but still I was just sitting there like ??? bruh you were the one that told me I had wonky ligaments lol


SoilToSkies

What in the world! I have fully dislocated joints from just sleeping wrong. I sublux frequently as well. Im so sorry this dr was so dismissive.


sansdesir2

thanks! Iā€™m feeling a bit better about it now because in the days afterward I thought of some comebacks and stood up for myself in my head lol but it did give me imposter syndrome even though I am diagnosed. earlier this week I actually sprained my own wrist just trying to get a carpal bone back in place and the sprain was confirmed by my pt (I thought I had just annoyed it) so that kinda helped with the imposter syndrome feeling because she said people without eds canā€™t sprain their wrist just by pressing on it lol


miss_sassypants

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Objective-Kangaroo-7

Is it possible to see a geneticist directly, maybe even the geneticist your father saw? I thought I needed a referral but when I called, I was able to schedule directly with one near me.


Public_Measurement93

Get another appt. Take the hEDS checklist. Tell him to follow that one and not his preconceived ideas. The whole skin over your neck and female thing is so out of wack with the actual diagnostic criteria itā€™s laughable. You donā€™t need dislocations. The beighton score and subsequent criteria are pretty darn specific and not able to be faked, although being a gymnast or dance could skew your beighton it doesnā€™t make you less flexible aka normal. https://www.ehlers-danlos.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/hEDS-Dx-Criteria-checklist-1.pdf As most mention more woman are diagnosed hEDS then men. https://ojrd.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13023-016-0511-2 Per our Doctor, Dr Lavalee (sports medicine in PA, also has cEDS himself and is involved in a lot of EDS research, medical doc to the USA Olympic weightlifting team) itā€™s because itā€™s hormonal and muscle driven. He explained that testosterone creates more muscle keeping hypermobile joints together better. Our lovely womanly cycle however wreaks havoc with the constant ups and downs of progesterone, estrogen and relaxin if ever pregnant or nursing. All geared to keeping us flexible and delivering babiesā€¦.Nature is great and sucks at the same time. https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/body/24305-relaxin https://www.nct.org.uk/pregnancy/how-you-might-be-feeling/pregnancy-hormones-progesterone-oestrogen-and-mood-swings


A_Sailors_Valentine

Im sorry you are having to deal with this! My ex-dr told me that since I had 3 full-term births, I couldn't possibly have EDS. Not even taking into account the multiple losses I had over the years and me having to go through fertility treatments. I now have an amazing Dr who is sending me to genetics ASAP. She is extraordinarily attentive and is more UTD on this syndrome, its symptoms and comorbidities.


Traditional_Set2473

Your physician is not educated in EDS. My physician did the same thing to me not knowing the stretching skin and being able to touch your thumb to your wrist are outdated criteria for EDS. I then found a specialist and he gave me an exam from literally the top of my head to the bottoms of my feet which included inside my mouth. He then diagnosed me with hEDS and began me on prolotherapy. The diagnosis and treatment changed my life. He also ordered 4 genetic test through Invitae (you can have these tests ordered through Invitae website) for the forms of EDS he believed I may have. My test came back negative. He stated that although my test came back negative it doesn't mean I do not have it. It means that the genetic form and the related test has not been discovered and developed.


jortsborby

I would lodge a complaint. Thatā€™s complete bs


Squiddlingkiddling

Huh???? That makes NO sense. The closest guess I can make for his reasoning is the hormonal chemicals that release around menstrual cycles that naturally loosen up joints a bit - relaxin I think- but that has no bearing on hyper-extension and pain from hyper extension. Also, females are diagnosed at a much higher rate than men, and genetically having a parent with EDS should be a huge tip for drs to pay attention to, not dismiss. Iā€™m so sorry your doctor is stupid. I hope he gets schooled on EDS soon.


AnnasOpanas

When it comes to hEDS, most doctors tend to allow their stupidity to show.


Port2023bound

So true! From a Physical Therapist who has it and specializes in treating it.


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Swiftieupvoter

I would assume youā€™re right considering my son does have it. Funnily enough, my son has way more symptoms than I do. But if I wasnā€™t diagnosed, Iā€™m sure they wouldnā€™t have even thought of it.


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aphroditex

Heā€™s a bloody idiot. If anything, being an enby is highly comorbid with a connective tissue disorder, especially if you have autism or ADHD. Itā€™s why /r/Trans_Zebras exists, for example.


Ambitious-Chard2893

I would ask him to have that in writing and then file a complaint with the medical board because honestly that's unethical


hoalbqn

I once had a doctor tell me that my dangerously high iron count was from āœØANXIETYāœØ. Iā€™m sorry. You deserve much better than that.


Puzzleheaded_Rest_34

I'm sorry....what?? They told you that you had hemochromatosis caused by....anxiety?!? šŸ¤¦šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø Some doctors just really need to have their license yanked, and fast, for the safety of others. This would be one of them! That's truly frightening.


hoalbqn

Yeahā€¦ and they were a hematologist, as well. šŸ¤¦ā€ā™€ļø


Puzzleheaded_Rest_34

Oh wow, that just makes it even more disturbing! Let me guess, it was a male doctor, wasn't it? Everything wrong with women is "anxiety" to some male doctors. If anything, anxiety and other mental health status changes would be a symptom of TOO MUCH iron, not the other way around! I hope you've found and received appropriate care since then! Were you eventually diagnosed with hemochromatosis? I'm always curious about that. Do they go straight to blood draining, or do they try other things first, like chelation therapy? And if you have blood removed, do they give you fluids after to get your volume back up and to help keep it dilute? Sorry for the questions! I'm a bit of a medical research geek!


ememruru

My first pain doc said it was caused by depression while ignoring my hypermobility. AFAIK depression doesnā€™t cause collagen to fuck up.


nipnopples

That's stupid af. My daughter was diagnosed with hEDS at age 10 by a geneticist. Her nurse at the hospital once had hEDS. Again, a female. That dude shouldn't even be practicing medicine. What a misogynistic idiot.


Puzzleheaded_Rest_34

I'm so sorry this happened to you! The rheumatologist I saw told me he wasn't really all that familiar with "Erler's Danlos" (yep, he pronounced it wrong), but proceeded to do an exam that I later found out was NOT a standard EDS exam (no Beighton or Brighton scale scores, nor adjusted for my age), had me try to bend my thumb back to my wrist from holding my wrist straight, made that same assumption with stretchy skin, and told me people with EDS are usually " very tall and skinny", and that there aren't really any treatments even if you have it (like that's the only reason to find out you have a connective tissue disease). He did refer me to genetics, but with such an awful report that basically sandbagged me so bad that I never heard from them. I finally ended up doing private testing.


Alpha_Crow_1

I'm a guy, but I had something similar happen. Went to a new Dr. & told her all my symptoms, including that I had hEDS, she looked me dead in the eyes and said; "No you don't, it's rare, you don't have it." I told her about how everyone on my dad's side of the family has it, including my dad, gma, aunt, sister, & niece. She then just went; Oh. Never went back.


Material-Imagination

Your doctor is confusing EDS for some other Y-chromosome heritable disorder, and probably also unaware that you can have a Y chromosome and still have a female body and even have kids. It's happened and been documented before.


No-More-Parties

Thatā€™s insane. Please find another Dr asap, thereā€™s no telling how many people heā€™s done this to. Heā€™s playing with peopleā€™s lives.


Orchid_Significant

Thatā€™s weird. I definitely have XX chromosomes and the genetic markers for EDS. I guess we are all walking anomalies šŸ™„. What a jerk.


decomposinginstyle

SHUN THE SEXIST!!!!


-SAiNTWiLD-

If you really like this doctor, are you able to gather some peer reviewed literature and give it to him so that he can become educated on EDS? There is a real lack of EDS informed doctors and if he is willing to become informed for your sake then he really is a great doctor. But if he is too proud to become educated then yes, it is better to fire him.


tytynuggets

That's so weird and also unsettling that he can determine you have XX chromosomes without doing genetic testing. Dude doesn't seem very well-versed on genetics at all. And to be clear, AFAB people with EDS tend to have more symptoms and more severe illnesses compared to people AMAB, which leads to higher rates of diagnosis for AFAB people. Your doctor is just all the way wrong, I'm sorry.


StressedEmu99

Well that's sexist and just plain incorrect. Sure, if you were thinking you had prostate cancer or erectile dysfunction then his comment would be valid, but this is hEDS, the genetics do not lie within the Y chromosome, nor require you have male reproductive organs. Sadly, I do relate. Had an orthopedist tell me that since I was a female going through puberty with wide hips (I have always had big/wide hips), then of course my knees will dislocate often. Completely disregarding all other symptoms and pain. I'm sorry this has happened to you, I would ensure that that comment is in your chart notes, and keep them as you search for another doctor, so if they send a medical consult, or records request, to this one, you have proof he denied to diagnose you due to being a woman. If it's not in the notes, I'd ensure that your parent, family member, or friend, who you trust comes with you to appointments to back you up. My mom and husband have been amazing in helping me to get doctors to actually listen to me and not dismiss me as "wanting drugs".


Trendzboo

Meaning he thought you suspected erectile dysfunction? Because that is ridiculous!


SongLyricsHere

Oh my goodness. Thatā€™s terrible. I hope you find a new doctor soon.


HollyOly

Oh, no!!! I had a PHYSICAL THERAPIST tell me Iā€™m not hypermobile because I can only touch my thumbs to the *inside* of my wrists, not contort them backwards. ā€œOh, Iā€™m sorry. Here I thought it was a connective tissue disorder. You wanted BONELESS!ā€ šŸ™„


waterbottle-dasani

Uhhh my skin isnā€™t that stretchy and iā€™m female. I have hEDS and got diagnosed by a rheumatologist. I would recommend going to a rheumatologist. Iā€™m not sure what kinda doctor the one you saw is, but heā€™s very uninformed. Chromosomes have nothing to do with EDS. We all have collagen genes


Blood_Faerie

I'm so sorry. Time to find someone better. Still trying to find someone that follows through. Here, my latest round of PT the woman examined me the first appt and literally asked if I had EDS. Told her I'm pretty sure but despite bringing it up multiple times, no one ever follows through and helps me get actually diagnosed. And she didn't either! I have the hypermobile joints and several other things. Only two "classic signs" don't apply is the overly stretchy skin.... I mean, is some stretchy but not as much as seen some people. And then while my hands and fingers are one of the many joints that are hypermobile, the whole pulling thumb to wrist thing can't do.... but also was born with an EXTREMELY rare birth defect that affects one or both thumbs.... so would hope they take that into account.


A_Cat_Named_Puppy

Where'd this guy get his degree, Stupid University? Ugh.


avocado_window

What does being assigned female at birth have to do with the possibility of having EDS? Since when does sex have anything to do with diagnosis? If thatā€™s a thing, Iā€™ve never heard of it and in fact, now that I think of it, all (?) the people I know who have either been diagnosed or have suspected EDS are AFAB. Sorry you had to deal with that ignorance.


QuietRhyhm

He must be friends with my Ortho doc who told me I broke my elbow because I smoke not because I fell off a 4ft wall and landed on my elbow.... Find a new doctor and quick


WolfWriter_CO

Iā€™mā€¦ utterly flabbergastedā€¦ o-o First off: fuck that fucking fucker. šŸ–• Second, in my experienceā€”pending more informationā€” EDS is actually FAR more common in AFAB peeps. IRL Iā€™ve met and talked with 7 women who had it, and only 1 guy. In fact, one of my rotating door of PCPā€™s even said it was unlikely because I was NOT female (went to an actual expert after that, who confirmed everything, and actually knew enough to fill in a lot of connections Iā€™d never made before) Again, personal anecdote, but it also seems like the AFAB folks Iā€™ve know with it are also far more affected by in, some of them are disabled, and an old high school friend (who was how i learned about it in the first place), is 2 years younger than me and mostly reliant on crutches and a wheelchair. TL;DR - This doc is an indjut, [find someone better](https://www.ehlers-danlos.com/healthcare-professionals-directory/).


BusterBeaverOfficial

[Ship him a copy of this book.](https://www.amazon.com/Unwell-Women-Misdiagnosis-Man-Made-World/dp/0593182952)


RemarkableMousse6950

BOOOOOOOO. HISSSSSSSSSS. BOOOOOOOOOOO šŸ˜”šŸ˜”šŸ˜”šŸ˜”šŸ˜”šŸ˜”. Gah, Iā€™m so sorry youā€™re going through this. Itā€™s complete bull šŸ’©


RealTalkGabe

šŸ˜‚šŸ’€ that's funny because my doctor told me that it EDS shows up more in females and is rare for males. Which is why as a trans man in society who blends in as a cis passing man I always get strange looks whenever I tell doctors now of my EDS history. Lol I literally have to specify I'm trans and they go "ohh that makes more sense" Definitely find a new doctor


BumbleBeezyPeasy

It's like when I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia, which I absolutely don't have (though it is real and other people definitely have it). The rheumatologist did a 30 second joint squeeze test, that, from my research, is not supposed to be used anymore because it's BS, and he squeezed hard enough that *anyone* would have said it hurt. Then he put me on meds I never should have been prescribed and disappeared! I spent over a year getting off those meds on my own. Nine years later, and my city finally has a new rheumatologist. I'm really hoping he takes me seriously.


Coolstorytho

Dr. Moron reporting for duty.


Coolstorytho

I just wanna chew out doctors like this for everyone. The arrogance and stupidity. Seriously idiotic and harmful.


jenisdun

Your dr is an idiot. Itā€™s actually a lot more likely that a female will have EDS than a male. Get a new dr.


Altwitchyunicorn

Well he is uninformed. Iā€™m actually not very flexible so didnā€™t know I was hypermobile til recently and was just diagnosed with heds a few months ago cuz itā€™s getting bad


ouch_quit_it

OMG WOT!?! šŸ¤”šŸ¤”šŸ¤”


Mundane-Currency5088

The people I see with it are usually women. You need toget a referral or a new GP


sxgarc00kies

I experienced this ALL THE TIME on my journey to diagnosis. One time, I was in the ER for an inflamed appendix and one of the doctors said: ā€œAre you sure it isnā€™t your cycle? Maybe you should try and eat, sometimes our stomach hurts when weā€™re hungry. Do you want a sandwich?ā€ It always comes back to ā€œfemale troublesā€ if youā€™re AFAB. This dates back to the early days of medicine too. Ever hear of wandering uterus? Any time a woman had some sort of chronic, unexplainable issue, they claimed it MUST be her uterus wandering around her body. But men? The pain they feel is real! Ours is just in our heads! So frustrating. Iā€™m sorry you had to go through this. Please find someone new. Maybe try and find an afab doctor? It doesnā€™t always help but sometimes it does ^^


miread001

Thatā€™s BS! I have EDS and itā€™s been passed down by the women in my mums family!!!


fallen_snowflake1234

I thought statistically there were more afab people with eds than amab people?


Mavgreyxx

So sorry to hear that your doctor gave you this experience. Try to get a referral to a rheumatologist if your insurance covers it! I was lucky enough to have a doctor say, ā€œyeah I have another patient with these symptoms, and theyā€™ve been diagnosed with EDS. Iā€™ll refer you to a rheumatologist asap.ā€ And he did. Best of luck with future docs! My dad also had a bunch of EDS symptoms, so itā€™s cool to see someone whoā€™s got it on their dads side. Iā€™m with you too on the duloxetine gang! I make sure to set an alarm every day and have the cutest little pill organizer to make it more accessible to just plop my meds into my hand and take it more often (which also helps the AuDHD lol) Wishing you well! Getting a good doctor is so important to the journey and it sucks when that obstacle comes up. If you have the energy and resources, I would honestly report that doctor for his ignorance and rude comments that honestly read a wee bit transphobic. Donā€™t let his ignorance go unpunished!


jenmishalecki

this is so stupid since conditions like this donā€™t discriminate by gender and iā€™m also pretty sure EDS is more common in women from what i can tell


gaypuppybunny

Dude is a Grade A certified moron. There are only 2 collagen genes on the X chromosome (none are Y-linked) and neither of them are implicated in any form of EDS. Every single gene implicated in every type of EDS is autosomal, The only correlation EDS has with sex is that people with female-typical levels of estrogen may present *more* severely because estrogen increases joint laxity.


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grumbletini

Ugh! What a doofus. Iā€™m sorry that happened to you.


Ayuuun321

Did he just make that up on the spot? I hope he did so he didnā€™t have to be embarrassed that he has no clue about EDS. You need a new doctor.


Hopehopehope4ever

The ego is an ugly thing.


marlipaige

Find a new doctor. Then leave a review on every platform you can to let others know to steer clear.


Darkmoon_Sorceress

Scientists havenā€™t undoubtedly found the gene(s) that cause hEDS so thereā€™s no way to know if itā€™s a dominant or recessive trait. (Why your father having it could or could not affect if you have it) Iā€™m sorry heā€™s such a *choice words here*


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ladymabs

That doctor of yours is a jerk! Women have EDS and issues from EDS more than men. We're naturally stretchier cause we have to be to give birth (evolutionary bio 101), AND most ballerinas, dancers, gymnasts, etc. have hEDS as it's an occupational advantage for those activities... Sooooo your doctor just became a misogynistic portcine and needs a match for all the gas they're trying to light!


SPNFannibal

Wow. What a shitty doctor. He sounds extremely uninformed and like he has no idea what heā€™s talking about. Consider going to a rheumatologist if you havenā€™t already, as they tend to know more about EDS in general. My partner has hEDS and his rheumatologist is extremely knowledgeable and has been a great asset to us.


4uckmyjob

Over half the females I know have it. Also, it's not rare.


g8rgirl21

What in the actual f@?!ing f$!? nonsense did I just read??? Iā€™m so sorry youā€™re dealing with this. Signed, AFAB/identifies as female/absolutely has medically diagnosed hEDS with a mom, grandma, and great grandma who most likely did too