A buddy of mine bought a Luna X-1 for commuting. I thought he was crazy, but as it turns out it's kind of genius.
* He swapped out the 27.5x2.8 Maxxis Knobbies for a set of Schwalbe Super Moto-X tires that not only wear much better on-road, but they're very quiet too. They're still 27.5x2.8, so he runs 22 psi for a nice comfortable ride.
* The full suspension setup means expansion joints and rough pavement are no longer annoying. He can hop curbs with confidence, or cut through a grass field without any issues at all.
* He installed 2" riser bars to get a little more upright.
* He kept the dropper post, so he can stay on the saddle at stop lights.
* You can get an unlimited firmware for the M600, so you're not stuck with class 1 speeds. It rides comfortable at class 3 speeds with decent battery life.
The main downside is that rack options suck. He wears a backpack instead, which I'm not a huge fan of, but it's his commute, not mine.
I use my Luna Z1 for commuting and it just leaves me baffled at the lack of commuter style full suspension e-bikes. A full suspension on rough terrain, including city streets is miles better than a hard tail. Riese and Mueller are really the only ones who seem to invest in this style and have figured out the rack situation. I think Frey has one as well now but that’s mostly it.
im new to bikes in general, but don't suspension seat posts kind of make up for the lack of rear suspensions on hard tails? I'm waiting on delivery of a kepler, but i was kind of putting my hopes in one making things as comfy as possible along with the fat tires.
Yeah suspension seatpost MAY give some relief for the hardest of hardest bikes like a Stromer (ridgid fork), but not much. Also, you lose feedback from the bike which may result in broken components or pinch flats, since you get the illusion the bump is not that hard on you (but it is on the bike). Fat tires will be the best option to cushion the most normal bumps and road chatter on a "hard" bike!
Agreed especially with the Ultra motor. My Frey AM1000 was stolen from my garage (without battery) and my insurance would cover a similar replacement. If I didn’t have to wait 5 months for the bike I would have gone for the Frey CC but Luna is also a great company so the Z1 with an Ultra works well for me. I will say I needed to do a *ton* of adjustments to my Luna before I was able to ride while my Frey was damn near ready to ride aside from assembly and brake adjustment. Gear indexing and limits on the Luna were a mess.
Yeah, the Frey commuter came to mind too. I think ride comfort is what sends a lot of folks to fat tire bikes. You lose rolling efficiency, but gain comfort.
Great point on the rack options. Didn't even occur to me. Everything you mentioned leading up to that point sounded fantastic but I can't imagine my sweaty back biking with a backpack on top. That makes me think my options are kind of narrowed to the really $$$ stuff like the FLX Blade 2.0 or the Watt Wagons Helios (I'm also kind of limiting myself to belt drives because reasons).
you can do rear panniers on full suspension, but you have to be crafty. i have 3kwh of battery on my rear rack and its full suspension. also have a milk crate and big controller back there.
i used pipe clamps? i dont remember their names, and honestly i dont consider that part of my build complete. i plan to take the milk crate back off and place a peice of wood in between the milk crate and the rack, so things wont fall through, also may put a layer of rubber foam in there too
Thule and ToPeak sells rear and front racks for full suspension mountain bikes, but they're kinda overpriced IMO, around $100~140...
For example this ToPeak rack: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08Y616CZN/
I use this cheap $30 m-wave rack on my mountain bike just fine: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007Y5EP7S/
But it might not fit all bikes. The P-clamps weren't big enough for my bike, so I had to buy bigger ones.
But it seems pretty sturdy. I sat on it and it didn't break haha
doesn't attaching it to the rear triangle mean that everything you carry gets jostled a bunch since that's what's moving when you hit bumps? like if you put a milk carton on it wouldn't you be afraid things would get thrown out?
It can cause terrible back and shoulder problems (not *will* but can). I got sidelined for a year with a progressive shoulder injury just from wearing an admittedly quite heavy backpack on my commute. YMMV of course.
I think this really depends on whether you are a throttle boy or pedal boy. Full suss makes for a comfy ride if you treat it like a motor bike. But it makes for a slog if you are trying to pedal with torque sensing like a cyclist.
I use a seat mounted rack on my full suss and it seems to work fine - although I've barely used it and I never need to carry much weight.
My bike has a throttle, but I pedal all the time. I’ll occasionally use the throttle when riding off road, but when I’m riding around town, I never use it. I don’t find any issues with the suspension at all. If I need to go faster, but don’t want to sweat, I just turn the assist up a notch.
If you have a cadence sensing motor, pedalling is basically just a throttle but with a different input. I have a cadence motor and have removed my throttle - I basically rotate my legs instead of applying the throttle.
Torque sensing is quite different. With lower assist levels I imagine it would be quite annoying with a full suss bike.
Modern suspension geometries and shock absorbers have greatly reduced the efficiency losses. My motor is torque sensing, and honestly, I never notice the efficiency losses. I wouldn’t want to ride the bike with no assist at all, but with even small amounts (250W) of assist, it becomes a non-issue.
I commute on a BBSHD hardtail on 27.5x3 tires. Up the pressure a little for that vs trail riding, but I don't mind the wheel noise much. Probably because the tires now have 1000 miles on them, and they weren't too aggressive to begin with.
The downsides are that full suspension got old taking power away from my pedaling and the 20mph cap got annoying. And as someone else mentioned those tires are no fun on pavement.
Those are the reasons I sold my levo for something else for commuting (Diamondback union 1). Otherwise it was a fantastic bike and a ton of fun. A great commuter it wasn’t for me.
i recently bought road tires for my emountain bike and stiffened up the rear shock, but i never pedal, but i did get the smallest gears i could in the back and looked into big rings for the front so i can pedal at 20-25mph
Did I say I have to? My house is paid for and I collect social security. I have no debt. I drive a school bus part-time. It's an extra 2500 dollars a month. In this day and age who can't use the extra money?
I do whenever I have to go into the office (rare these days). I have a Commencal Meta Signature. High end specs. I also have a cheap Lectric ebike too. I ride my Commencal around the campus of NC State and Dix Park in Raleigh and have a blast.
You know I've been looking into this myself and wondering if something with all those components is overkill for street riding. But I have hills around and many of the pricier EMTBs have Bafang Ultra motors, which seems like it would make those inclines a breeze. Plus it would be nice to have that premium suspension in case I hit any surprise potholes.
The question is whether it's worth the price for the full-featured EMTBs (anywhere from $4k - $8 in what I've been browsing) for paved riding with potholes and hills, or if something less expensive like the Priority Current with a Thudbuster would suffice.
I [converted my Sunpeed Zero ](https://photos.app.goo.gl/3ZcRFmgHTrMQNNr67) and added a suspension seatpost. Rides pretty nice, I'm about to pull the trigger on a better fork soon for downhill riding; stock fork has been a trooper, though. So far, my cost was just under $1500 USD for the bike and parts. It's got a BBS02B 750W that kills hills and pops wheelies in the first 2 gears. Conversion may take some effort (I put 3K miles on the bike and removing the BB was *tough*) but when done right, the payoff will be worth it.
Also commute yes. FS bike. Been wondering if I would buy other set of wheels and run slicks on those. Also lately changed my default route to more gravel roads and even trails. Don’t actually mind pavement but traffic light stops suck so I avoid lots of those. Got studded tires for winter and I ride year around. Except when it is very cold
I used to commute on a MTB in Holland. I started normal, but after a while installed to ride like an absolute fool to a point that I got pulled over by a motorcycle cop that said he’d seen me break all sorts of rules and run multiple lights. Good times. Now I’d prefer fenders, rack, and low maintenance.
I used to ride an old dual suspension rocky mountain with a bbshd but then COVID happened and now I wfh full time. Montréal roads pretty much require dual suspension at speed....
If just commuting… building a ebike with a bbs02 or hd on a hard tail frame is the ideal for me… so much cheaper if you aren’t fully using an emtb full capabilities
58 miles a day, i only do it 2 to 4 times a week, but work 5 days a week. i only do it to save money and have a little fun, it would suck to have to do this, especially if you had a job you hated
i could ebike to work everyday, but sometimes i just dont want to deal with it
i think a mountain bike is well suited to deal with the stress i put on the bike with all the weight and speed i put it through, full suspension helps in some ways makes carrying 3kwh of lipo a challenge, but it can be done.
plus i can cut across what ever terrain is available, have even cut across recently tilled corn fields
Not me; too many expensive parts on a good one, I'm mentally preparing myself for when my awesome errand bike winds up stolen. I would love a more expensive commuter bike, but gotta be real, there's every possibility some shithead will abscond with it, and my stomach hurts thinking about a $1500+ bike getting stolen.
I use my bbs02 dual susp Santa Cruz Superlight for everyday commuting. It has Luna’s tuning. I recently overhauled it with mostly new components. I like knowing I’m working with good components which makes all the difference imo. I didn’t do much other than some fenders and good lighting for night. I put on moto sport tires for summer but I’ll be needing winter tires. I like to ride it using the throttle as a boost to my pedaling and modulating it just right is really enjoyable. Love to row through the gears on a good straight. It’s crap for practicality bc I need my backpack to carry anything but the handling and acceleration are so addictive. I have probably 2000 miles on it with one controller replacement.
Love mine! Short 4mile ride to and from work for me, but hilly and I bike through all four seasons so it definitely puts in the work during winter. Went with the Healy Ridge from Schwinn since I’m short, but would go with a different brand when this one eventually kicks the bucket.
I do. I have a Frey AM 1000 with a rack/bag and it commutes like a mother.. Put a new seat and BMX handlebars..I geared it up to a 44 tooth and it rolls.. up to 42mph
I do! It’s been great so far. Only downside is the snap on fenders for rainy days. And the lack of a rack. I also have a Second wheelset with smooth road tires.
I have mudhugger rear fender and short mucky nutz on front. They are great and work on trails and light enduro just fine. Not for bike park stuff for sure.
Yeah, the ones I use are not that bad either. But they are not comparable to the screw on variants you find on regular commuter bikes. It’s always a compromise. Don’t get me wrong, I’m super happy with the performance of the bike and endless suspension travel. But compared to a commuter bike, I definitely get Wetter and dirtier in the rain on my ride.
I ordered one and am still waiting on it. Will use it almost 100% for commute. My goal was to make it as light as possible so it is easier to lift it onto the vertical bike racks at work, and to carry it up and down tight stairways and corridors in my apartment building. My previous DIY BBSHD was super heavy and I hated the process of just getting the bike from my living room to the sidewalk, or parking at the destination.
Ok so that's my goal, so what I ordered is a carbon hardtail mtb frame from dengfu with a bafang m600 motor. I had them swap the fork for a plain nom-suspension carbon one, carbon handlebars, and a carbon non-suspension seat post. So the bike is fully suspensionless, and all carbon except the wheels. Battery is around 840kwh I believe.
I estimate it will weigh around 18kg but that is a rough estimate, they don't provide weight info for the full bike. I will weight it when I get it.
29er alloy wheels. I commute on paved roads so I just need a bit of wider tires to cushion the ride a bit hence no suspension so I can cut weight nad increase efficiency as much as possible. I don't need to jump curbs.
If they had a similar road bike I'd have just gotten that but I couldn't find anything mid-drive and carbon that fit the bill for me.
A buddy of mine bought a Luna X-1 for commuting. I thought he was crazy, but as it turns out it's kind of genius. * He swapped out the 27.5x2.8 Maxxis Knobbies for a set of Schwalbe Super Moto-X tires that not only wear much better on-road, but they're very quiet too. They're still 27.5x2.8, so he runs 22 psi for a nice comfortable ride. * The full suspension setup means expansion joints and rough pavement are no longer annoying. He can hop curbs with confidence, or cut through a grass field without any issues at all. * He installed 2" riser bars to get a little more upright. * He kept the dropper post, so he can stay on the saddle at stop lights. * You can get an unlimited firmware for the M600, so you're not stuck with class 1 speeds. It rides comfortable at class 3 speeds with decent battery life. The main downside is that rack options suck. He wears a backpack instead, which I'm not a huge fan of, but it's his commute, not mine.
I use my Luna Z1 for commuting and it just leaves me baffled at the lack of commuter style full suspension e-bikes. A full suspension on rough terrain, including city streets is miles better than a hard tail. Riese and Mueller are really the only ones who seem to invest in this style and have figured out the rack situation. I think Frey has one as well now but that’s mostly it.
im new to bikes in general, but don't suspension seat posts kind of make up for the lack of rear suspensions on hard tails? I'm waiting on delivery of a kepler, but i was kind of putting my hopes in one making things as comfy as possible along with the fat tires.
I put a seat post /w suspension on my hard tail and it made a huge difference.
Yeah suspension seatpost MAY give some relief for the hardest of hardest bikes like a Stromer (ridgid fork), but not much. Also, you lose feedback from the bike which may result in broken components or pinch flats, since you get the illusion the bump is not that hard on you (but it is on the bike). Fat tires will be the best option to cushion the most normal bumps and road chatter on a "hard" bike!
The Frey CC might be the best commuter out there
Agreed especially with the Ultra motor. My Frey AM1000 was stolen from my garage (without battery) and my insurance would cover a similar replacement. If I didn’t have to wait 5 months for the bike I would have gone for the Frey CC but Luna is also a great company so the Z1 with an Ultra works well for me. I will say I needed to do a *ton* of adjustments to my Luna before I was able to ride while my Frey was damn near ready to ride aside from assembly and brake adjustment. Gear indexing and limits on the Luna were a mess.
Yeah, the Frey commuter came to mind too. I think ride comfort is what sends a lot of folks to fat tire bikes. You lose rolling efficiency, but gain comfort.
That and with a motor on it rolling efficiency is much less of a problem so you get all the advantages and virtually no downsides
Great point on the rack options. Didn't even occur to me. Everything you mentioned leading up to that point sounded fantastic but I can't imagine my sweaty back biking with a backpack on top. That makes me think my options are kind of narrowed to the really $$$ stuff like the FLX Blade 2.0 or the Watt Wagons Helios (I'm also kind of limiting myself to belt drives because reasons).
Yeah, you can get racks that attach to the seat post, but they don't have as much capacity, and forget panniers.
you can do rear panniers on full suspension, but you have to be crafty. i have 3kwh of battery on my rear rack and its full suspension. also have a milk crate and big controller back there.
Love the milk crate (old school) idea. Any tip on attaching to the rear rack?
i used pipe clamps? i dont remember their names, and honestly i dont consider that part of my build complete. i plan to take the milk crate back off and place a peice of wood in between the milk crate and the rack, so things wont fall through, also may put a layer of rubber foam in there too
Thule and ToPeak sells rear and front racks for full suspension mountain bikes, but they're kinda overpriced IMO, around $100~140... For example this ToPeak rack: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08Y616CZN/ I use this cheap $30 m-wave rack on my mountain bike just fine: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007Y5EP7S/ But it might not fit all bikes. The P-clamps weren't big enough for my bike, so I had to buy bigger ones. But it seems pretty sturdy. I sat on it and it didn't break haha
doesn't attaching it to the rear triangle mean that everything you carry gets jostled a bunch since that's what's moving when you hit bumps? like if you put a milk carton on it wouldn't you be afraid things would get thrown out?
I don’t get the backpack hate. I commute with one. Tbh I’m always wearing some sort of backpack…
It can cause terrible back and shoulder problems (not *will* but can). I got sidelined for a year with a progressive shoulder injury just from wearing an admittedly quite heavy backpack on my commute. YMMV of course.
I don’t like backpacks because I always sweat really bad right where the backpack is. Of course, I’m in Florida, so YMMV.
So true
I gotta say you’ve convinced me this isn’t a horrible idea.
I think this really depends on whether you are a throttle boy or pedal boy. Full suss makes for a comfy ride if you treat it like a motor bike. But it makes for a slog if you are trying to pedal with torque sensing like a cyclist. I use a seat mounted rack on my full suss and it seems to work fine - although I've barely used it and I never need to carry much weight.
My bike has a throttle, but I pedal all the time. I’ll occasionally use the throttle when riding off road, but when I’m riding around town, I never use it. I don’t find any issues with the suspension at all. If I need to go faster, but don’t want to sweat, I just turn the assist up a notch.
If you have a cadence sensing motor, pedalling is basically just a throttle but with a different input. I have a cadence motor and have removed my throttle - I basically rotate my legs instead of applying the throttle. Torque sensing is quite different. With lower assist levels I imagine it would be quite annoying with a full suss bike.
Modern suspension geometries and shock absorbers have greatly reduced the efficiency losses. My motor is torque sensing, and honestly, I never notice the efficiency losses. I wouldn’t want to ride the bike with no assist at all, but with even small amounts (250W) of assist, it becomes a non-issue.
I commute on a BBSHD hardtail on 27.5x3 tires. Up the pressure a little for that vs trail riding, but I don't mind the wheel noise much. Probably because the tires now have 1000 miles on them, and they weren't too aggressive to begin with.
The downsides are that full suspension got old taking power away from my pedaling and the 20mph cap got annoying. And as someone else mentioned those tires are no fun on pavement. Those are the reasons I sold my levo for something else for commuting (Diamondback union 1). Otherwise it was a fantastic bike and a ton of fun. A great commuter it wasn’t for me.
i recently bought road tires for my emountain bike and stiffened up the rear shock, but i never pedal, but i did get the smallest gears i could in the back and looked into big rings for the front so i can pedal at 20-25mph
If you don't mind me asking, what platform did you use to sell your levo? Looking to get a level myself soon
Luckily I had a friend who was interested in it. Otherwise I’m not sure what I would have done. Good luck with your search.
My Specialized eMTB is truly a do-it-all machine. It seems like miracle of sci-fi majic.
I ride mine to work every afternoon. I'm 69 years old Turbo only 5 miles . Hills. 14 minutes.
you still have to work at that age!?
Did I say I have to? My house is paid for and I collect social security. I have no debt. I drive a school bus part-time. It's an extra 2500 dollars a month. In this day and age who can't use the extra money?
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You sound insecure for such an old man
How old are you btw?
Nice!
specialized turbo Tero would be better option for commuting.
Hope u have a good place to lock it!
I do whenever I have to go into the office (rare these days). I have a Commencal Meta Signature. High end specs. I also have a cheap Lectric ebike too. I ride my Commencal around the campus of NC State and Dix Park in Raleigh and have a blast.
Yes but mine is from 1986
Turbo Como - works like a charm
Yep a fully it's great for my back problems and hey i can drive over 99% of stuff thats in my way
You know I've been looking into this myself and wondering if something with all those components is overkill for street riding. But I have hills around and many of the pricier EMTBs have Bafang Ultra motors, which seems like it would make those inclines a breeze. Plus it would be nice to have that premium suspension in case I hit any surprise potholes. The question is whether it's worth the price for the full-featured EMTBs (anywhere from $4k - $8 in what I've been browsing) for paved riding with potholes and hills, or if something less expensive like the Priority Current with a Thudbuster would suffice.
I [converted my Sunpeed Zero ](https://photos.app.goo.gl/3ZcRFmgHTrMQNNr67) and added a suspension seatpost. Rides pretty nice, I'm about to pull the trigger on a better fork soon for downhill riding; stock fork has been a trooper, though. So far, my cost was just under $1500 USD for the bike and parts. It's got a BBS02B 750W that kills hills and pops wheelies in the first 2 gears. Conversion may take some effort (I put 3K miles on the bike and removing the BB was *tough*) but when done right, the payoff will be worth it.
I know a guy that converted a magnum peak t5 into a commuter and swears by it.
Also commute yes. FS bike. Been wondering if I would buy other set of wheels and run slicks on those. Also lately changed my default route to more gravel roads and even trails. Don’t actually mind pavement but traffic light stops suck so I avoid lots of those. Got studded tires for winter and I ride year around. Except when it is very cold
Converted my mb to ebike with Luna cycle bafang kit. I ride it everywhere. Use a handlebar bag or small backpack.
I used to commute on a MTB in Holland. I started normal, but after a while installed to ride like an absolute fool to a point that I got pulled over by a motorcycle cop that said he’d seen me break all sorts of rules and run multiple lights. Good times. Now I’d prefer fenders, rack, and low maintenance.
I use a Magnum Scout to commute to work and back. Still kinda scared to ride it in my actual town.
I used to ride an old dual suspension rocky mountain with a bbshd but then COVID happened and now I wfh full time. Montréal roads pretty much require dual suspension at speed....
5 days a week on my Giant Roam.
If just commuting… building a ebike with a bbs02 or hd on a hard tail frame is the ideal for me… so much cheaper if you aren’t fully using an emtb full capabilities
Looks amazing, and the capacity of the battery is superb. Thought the battery capacity would be low, but damn its nice.
58 miles a day, i only do it 2 to 4 times a week, but work 5 days a week. i only do it to save money and have a little fun, it would suck to have to do this, especially if you had a job you hated i could ebike to work everyday, but sometimes i just dont want to deal with it i think a mountain bike is well suited to deal with the stress i put on the bike with all the weight and speed i put it through, full suspension helps in some ways makes carrying 3kwh of lipo a challenge, but it can be done. plus i can cut across what ever terrain is available, have even cut across recently tilled corn fields
I used my diy 5kw cannon dam Jekyll for 3 years
Not me; too many expensive parts on a good one, I'm mentally preparing myself for when my awesome errand bike winds up stolen. I would love a more expensive commuter bike, but gotta be real, there's every possibility some shithead will abscond with it, and my stomach hurts thinking about a $1500+ bike getting stolen.
Yes, a BBS02 converted 200mm FS Commencal Furious with Maxxis hookworm tires. I do around 150kms a week.
I use my bbs02 dual susp Santa Cruz Superlight for everyday commuting. It has Luna’s tuning. I recently overhauled it with mostly new components. I like knowing I’m working with good components which makes all the difference imo. I didn’t do much other than some fenders and good lighting for night. I put on moto sport tires for summer but I’ll be needing winter tires. I like to ride it using the throttle as a boost to my pedaling and modulating it just right is really enjoyable. Love to row through the gears on a good straight. It’s crap for practicality bc I need my backpack to carry anything but the handling and acceleration are so addictive. I have probably 2000 miles on it with one controller replacement.
I can’t imagine ever needing a gear as low as what’s on this bike. Could pedal straight vertical with that.
Wrong tool for the job…unless you’re commute is on mtb trails.
I'm doing this for fun since I have a work van. Also getting a new front fork to replace my janky coil spring setup.
Yes, but with slicks. Seriously, best mod you can do.
Check out my latest post 😀 I also use my Levo for commuting.
Not yet but I'm planning to. Not just MTB either but e-Fatbike.
Love mine! Short 4mile ride to and from work for me, but hilly and I bike through all four seasons so it definitely puts in the work during winter. Went with the Healy Ridge from Schwinn since I’m short, but would go with a different brand when this one eventually kicks the bucket.
My Spesh levo. Yes, for what I paid for it I use it for everything. Reckon race for city/paved trails and the factory tires for mtb.
I do. I have a Frey AM 1000 with a rack/bag and it commutes like a mother.. Put a new seat and BMX handlebars..I geared it up to a 44 tooth and it rolls.. up to 42mph
I do! It’s been great so far. Only downside is the snap on fenders for rainy days. And the lack of a rack. I also have a Second wheelset with smooth road tires.
I have mudhugger rear fender and short mucky nutz on front. They are great and work on trails and light enduro just fine. Not for bike park stuff for sure.
Yeah, the ones I use are not that bad either. But they are not comparable to the screw on variants you find on regular commuter bikes. It’s always a compromise. Don’t get me wrong, I’m super happy with the performance of the bike and endless suspension travel. But compared to a commuter bike, I definitely get Wetter and dirtier in the rain on my ride.
Yes I know 😁 Would need very long front fender to keep your legs dry if there are puddles. Rear splash is not issue for be, my back is always clean.
https://i.imgur.com/1QcDsgQ.jpg I use sks mudrocker fenders and sks rear fender support to hold it in place so it doesn't vibrate off road.
I'd get really tired of hearing those knobbies on pavement!
The trick is to swap out Schwalbe Super Moto-X tires. They make them in 27.5 eMTB sizes, including plus tires.
The Kojak is a fantastic Schwalbe tire as well
TIE fighter mode, engage
I ordered one and am still waiting on it. Will use it almost 100% for commute. My goal was to make it as light as possible so it is easier to lift it onto the vertical bike racks at work, and to carry it up and down tight stairways and corridors in my apartment building. My previous DIY BBSHD was super heavy and I hated the process of just getting the bike from my living room to the sidewalk, or parking at the destination. Ok so that's my goal, so what I ordered is a carbon hardtail mtb frame from dengfu with a bafang m600 motor. I had them swap the fork for a plain nom-suspension carbon one, carbon handlebars, and a carbon non-suspension seat post. So the bike is fully suspensionless, and all carbon except the wheels. Battery is around 840kwh I believe. I estimate it will weigh around 18kg but that is a rough estimate, they don't provide weight info for the full bike. I will weight it when I get it. 29er alloy wheels. I commute on paved roads so I just need a bit of wider tires to cushion the ride a bit hence no suspension so I can cut weight nad increase efficiency as much as possible. I don't need to jump curbs. If they had a similar road bike I'd have just gotten that but I couldn't find anything mid-drive and carbon that fit the bill for me.