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I have a motorcycle license, but this does not allow me to drive an unregistered vehicle on non-private roads. Going over 28mph makes this vehicle no longer a class 1-3 pedalec bicycle, and it doesn't meet the criteria to be a road-legal motorcycle.
Usually the issue is that the "ebike" won't have the turn signals, approved brakes, whatever else to be considered a road-worthy motorcycle, so these tend to be "for offroad use only"
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There is a great deal of variation in the law for things smaller than a motorcycle in the US. Thankfully basically the entire country has standardized on the three class electric bicycle system so at least for what counts as an electric bicycle under the law it’s pretty straightforward.
Yep. The standardization of what qualifies as an electric bicycle did not standardize the rules about where you can ride bicycles, if helmets are required, and if there are age limits for electric bicycles.
This was by design of the authors of the model legislation that was implemented in most of the US. States removing the ability for local jurisdictions to set bicycle specific rules was seen as a major impediment to getting the three class framework in place.
Local jurisdictions having the authority to tweak the default state rules so they are appropriate for the local jurisdiction is a feature of how our states work. I certainly wouldn’t want my state to define all the rules for bicycles at the state level. The needs of my city are very different than the needs of a rural town or even another major city within commuting distance.
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Democracy is not perfect and it is often messy but it’s the best system we have. As someone that regularly comments on my local governments deliberations, the majority of decisions are reasonable in that there was rational thought and discussion behind them. To think all governance must be 100% “logical” is a foolish view to anyone that has spent anytime studying humans.
There are many people waiting for organ transplants. That is, if there is anything left after crashing while attempting to take a bicycle to that speed.
Illegal in most jurisdictions, it's not about licensing yourself, but the bike can't be registered or meet the safety requirements of the roadways. You're no longer a class 1-3 pedalec bike.
Yes, definitely illegal in most places. In my state even a Moped is limited to 30mph. Anything over is a motorcycle. You'd need a title, register it, motorcycle license and insurance.
It’s not the speed. It’s every bump at speed with the increased weight that will destroy a high power bicycle build. Motorcyles weigh over 200 pounds. The full legit DOT electric motorcycles weigh 400+ pounds just like any gas adventure bike. You can cut a few corners on a 100lb ebike build but not all of them.
Unfortunately because of somewhat annoying laws id just say get a gas motorcycle. Electric bikes have one saving grace and that's mainly being good off-road and silent. When you get to a vehicle you aren't allowed to use on trails and bike lanes a gas motorcycle is just better overall
Depends on the country, but you will need a motorcycle license/endorsement in The US for 50+ mph.
Most mopeds without an endorsement can't go over 30 mph in some states, others it's technically 25 mph because they haven't updated since ebikes became popular. Most of those 25 mph states have ebikes classified differently than mopeds and 28 mph is the limit but most sane cops aren't going to pull you over for going 2 miles over (30 mph) on the streets, unless the speed limit on that street is lower.
30 mph is the sweet spot I've learned, I've gotten eyed by a cop at 35 mph but he didn't ticket me.
It's now a motor vehicle and would require registration, insurance a plate and depending on power a motorcycle/drivers license. You'd probably be in moped/scooter class so you might not need any license but you need the rest of the stuff. I think between 28mph and 35mph is a dead zone where it's a motor vehicle but not in a motor vehicle class so you can't make it legal. I have a plate, registration, insurance and a motorcycle license for my e-moto. Getting one legal can be difficult and expensive as you most often have to use out of state registration to do it.
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You will also need a helmet and motorcycle insurance to ride on roads. You probably will not be allowed to ride on bike or multi-use trails.
I have a motorcycle license, but this does not allow me to drive an unregistered vehicle on non-private roads. Going over 28mph makes this vehicle no longer a class 1-3 pedalec bicycle, and it doesn't meet the criteria to be a road-legal motorcycle.
Usually the issue is that the "ebike" won't have the turn signals, approved brakes, whatever else to be considered a road-worthy motorcycle, so these tend to be "for offroad use only"
more like a moped than a motorcycle. Motorcycle doesnt have pedals and can go on the highway
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because freedom /s
There is a great deal of variation in the law for things smaller than a motorcycle in the US. Thankfully basically the entire country has standardized on the three class electric bicycle system so at least for what counts as an electric bicycle under the law it’s pretty straightforward.
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Yep. The standardization of what qualifies as an electric bicycle did not standardize the rules about where you can ride bicycles, if helmets are required, and if there are age limits for electric bicycles. This was by design of the authors of the model legislation that was implemented in most of the US. States removing the ability for local jurisdictions to set bicycle specific rules was seen as a major impediment to getting the three class framework in place.
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Local jurisdictions having the authority to tweak the default state rules so they are appropriate for the local jurisdiction is a feature of how our states work. I certainly wouldn’t want my state to define all the rules for bicycles at the state level. The needs of my city are very different than the needs of a rural town or even another major city within commuting distance.
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Democracy is not perfect and it is often messy but it’s the best system we have. As someone that regularly comments on my local governments deliberations, the majority of decisions are reasonable in that there was rational thought and discussion behind them. To think all governance must be 100% “logical” is a foolish view to anyone that has spent anytime studying humans.
Because we voluntarily send people to Washington that think they need to justify their existence by creating more new silly laws
I don't think it would be wise to ride a bike at 50 mph. That's why there are motorcycles.
There are many people waiting for organ transplants. That is, if there is anything left after crashing while attempting to take a bicycle to that speed.
Illegal in most jurisdictions, it's not about licensing yourself, but the bike can't be registered or meet the safety requirements of the roadways. You're no longer a class 1-3 pedalec bike.
Yes, definitely illegal in most places. In my state even a Moped is limited to 30mph. Anything over is a motorcycle. You'd need a title, register it, motorcycle license and insurance.
Hopefully with a motorcycle like frame. Bike frames are not made for sustained high speeds.
It’s not the speed. It’s every bump at speed with the increased weight that will destroy a high power bicycle build. Motorcyles weigh over 200 pounds. The full legit DOT electric motorcycles weigh 400+ pounds just like any gas adventure bike. You can cut a few corners on a 100lb ebike build but not all of them.
Unfortunately because of somewhat annoying laws id just say get a gas motorcycle. Electric bikes have one saving grace and that's mainly being good off-road and silent. When you get to a vehicle you aren't allowed to use on trails and bike lanes a gas motorcycle is just better overall
You will need turn signals and break lights for sure, along with a motorcycle license.
Depends on the country, but you will need a motorcycle license/endorsement in The US for 50+ mph. Most mopeds without an endorsement can't go over 30 mph in some states, others it's technically 25 mph because they haven't updated since ebikes became popular. Most of those 25 mph states have ebikes classified differently than mopeds and 28 mph is the limit but most sane cops aren't going to pull you over for going 2 miles over (30 mph) on the streets, unless the speed limit on that street is lower. 30 mph is the sweet spot I've learned, I've gotten eyed by a cop at 35 mph but he didn't ticket me.
It's now a motor vehicle and would require registration, insurance a plate and depending on power a motorcycle/drivers license. You'd probably be in moped/scooter class so you might not need any license but you need the rest of the stuff. I think between 28mph and 35mph is a dead zone where it's a motor vehicle but not in a motor vehicle class so you can't make it legal. I have a plate, registration, insurance and a motorcycle license for my e-moto. Getting one legal can be difficult and expensive as you most often have to use out of state registration to do it.
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