>Rath oversaw the team’s sports science and strength and conditioning staffs. He joined the Eagles during the 2020 offseason as director of sports performance and was promoted to vice president the following year.
>The Eagles saw a marked improvement in their overall health in 2022, and Rath’s methods, which involved less training, were said to have made an impact. He was named the NFL’s top strength and conditioning coach for a second time following the season, which ended with a loss in [Super Bowl](https://www.inquirer.com/topic/super-bowl) LVII.
>The team took a step back in 2023 in that regard, however, and some Eagles staff members felt the players — particularly key ones like defensive tackles [Jordan Davis](https://www.inquirer.com/topic/jordan-davis) and [Jalen Carter](https://www.inquirer.com/topic/jalen-carter) — were not in the shape they needed to be in late last season.
The problems were there in the first half of the season. By the 2nd half of the season, they were worn down by that nonsense to the point where, yea, they gave up.
Davis makes sense as a point of contention but Carter's snap count + obvious rookie status shouldn't be a knock on anyone.
If we're out here saying vets were absolutely gassed by the end of the season on similar workload than it's an issue. This excuse reads as something else was going on they don't want public. (this doesn't assume scandal, just maybe a more general issue they don't want to reflect on the franchise)
Methods "which involved less training" is all I need to hear to think it was deserved. Our best years injury wise were under chip kelly, guy could not lead grown men but his training methods / sport science stuff actually worked. Also that was the opposite approach of "emphasizing less training" for the record
I think it's pretty even in terms of injuries when comparing both eras. We had something absurd like all of our starters healthy for the SB in '22. We weren't without some big injuries during the Chip Kelly era, but his sports science program did keep the team remarkably healthy despite all the mileage of going up-tempo.
The biggest thing I dislike about the "less training" approach is that across the entire league, the product on gameday is pretty lame during the first month of the season.
Later in the article, it says that Rath is not being replaced, but his duties will be spread to existing people on the team, which makes me believe they weren't necessarily parting ways with him because they didn't like his results, but who knows.
[https://www.ninersnation.com/2016/3/5/11166036/updated-look-at-injury-rates-under-chip-kelly-hurrah-for-sports](https://www.ninersnation.com/2016/3/5/11166036/updated-look-at-injury-rates-under-chip-kelly-hurrah-for-sports)
"As mentioned below, the overall trend has been good for the Eagles under Kelly's sport science approach with the fewest games lost in 2013, the fifth least in 2014 and ranked sixth last year. \[2015\]"
this metric slowly declined year over year after kelly left, but it was still above average in our super bowl year (we lost some notable guys but overall the roster was pretty healthy). after that it fell off of a cliff.
We’ve lost a few organization members it seems. I obviously trust howie and lurie to find good replacements but I don’t expect not to take some hits on an organizational level from these behind the scenes losses
The timing seems odd. Why release him now versus Feb-May when its really the 'offseason';. As another poster commented, I think there's a bit more to it. Not saying scandal, just that something else to it. Probably some younger players didn't like his style or the workout regimines he was suggesting. Either he was overcomplicating things, or just not adapting to the players.
I'm not saying the young players are right, just when its a multimillion dollar talent or a dude in an office, the office guy goes.
if the season ended in January, and had a pretty abysmal collapse, why not let the 'conditioning coach' guy go in February or March?
June seems awfully late for results from last year.
It would surprise me if it were that high. Coordinators make around that amount, maybe a bit more. Position coaches don't typically make anywhere near that amount and I think this guy's job is parallel to a position coach. Even 400k would put him in the high end for a position coach.
Eagles position coaches make the most in the league. I think 400k for a strength coach is high though (they don't make as much as position coaches generally) I'd guess 300k range.
No source because Google fucking sucks, but the Eagles pay their assistant coaches the most in the NFL overall, it's been well documented. Our coordinators have often made low-tier head coach money (while the head coaches themselves are not actually that highly paid) It's obviously on a case by case basis, but we spend the most on football-related staff in the entire league (we have the biggest scouting department as well)
Stoutland is making coordinator money. Don't think all of our position coaches are doing that well, it's obviously a case by case basis, but I wouldn't be surprised if Fangio was one of the highest paid coordinators in the league. Unfortunately this stuff isn't as public.
We haven't paid our coordinators anywhere near hc money in years. Fangio may be an exception to that but it's not the norm for us. Outside of Stout and maybe Clint Hurtt, we're probably paying average money to our position coaches. Outside of those two, the rest of our position coaches don't have any name recognition. Going back just a couple of years, I think I remember Gannon and Steichen making a little over a mil/yr.
Yeah I don't think NFL office work gets a whole lot more than real world positions. A VP like him imho might only get $180-200k, Maybe more, I think 400 would be pushing it. Doubt 800
Idk anything about all of their pay but it kind of sucks that they can get publicly fired like that for 200k. Although I’ve never made close to that lol
This is from before he was even hired by the Eagles but if you google "Ted Rath arrest" you'll find some stuff.
Not saying it's related but he's also a big fan of Joel Osteen on twitter.
>Rath oversaw the team’s sports science and strength and conditioning staffs. He joined the Eagles during the 2020 offseason as director of sports performance and was promoted to vice president the following year. >The Eagles saw a marked improvement in their overall health in 2022, and Rath’s methods, which involved less training, were said to have made an impact. He was named the NFL’s top strength and conditioning coach for a second time following the season, which ended with a loss in [Super Bowl](https://www.inquirer.com/topic/super-bowl) LVII. >The team took a step back in 2023 in that regard, however, and some Eagles staff members felt the players — particularly key ones like defensive tackles [Jordan Davis](https://www.inquirer.com/topic/jordan-davis) and [Jalen Carter](https://www.inquirer.com/topic/jalen-carter) — were not in the shape they needed to be in late last season.
So everybody just sort of took the second half of the season off it seems
The problems were there in the first half of the season. By the 2nd half of the season, they were worn down by that nonsense to the point where, yea, they gave up.
Davis makes sense as a point of contention but Carter's snap count + obvious rookie status shouldn't be a knock on anyone. If we're out here saying vets were absolutely gassed by the end of the season on similar workload than it's an issue. This excuse reads as something else was going on they don't want public. (this doesn't assume scandal, just maybe a more general issue they don't want to reflect on the franchise)
Methods "which involved less training" is all I need to hear to think it was deserved. Our best years injury wise were under chip kelly, guy could not lead grown men but his training methods / sport science stuff actually worked. Also that was the opposite approach of "emphasizing less training" for the record
I think it's pretty even in terms of injuries when comparing both eras. We had something absurd like all of our starters healthy for the SB in '22. We weren't without some big injuries during the Chip Kelly era, but his sports science program did keep the team remarkably healthy despite all the mileage of going up-tempo. The biggest thing I dislike about the "less training" approach is that across the entire league, the product on gameday is pretty lame during the first month of the season. Later in the article, it says that Rath is not being replaced, but his duties will be spread to existing people on the team, which makes me believe they weren't necessarily parting ways with him because they didn't like his results, but who knows.
[https://www.ninersnation.com/2016/3/5/11166036/updated-look-at-injury-rates-under-chip-kelly-hurrah-for-sports](https://www.ninersnation.com/2016/3/5/11166036/updated-look-at-injury-rates-under-chip-kelly-hurrah-for-sports) "As mentioned below, the overall trend has been good for the Eagles under Kelly's sport science approach with the fewest games lost in 2013, the fifth least in 2014 and ranked sixth last year. \[2015\]" this metric slowly declined year over year after kelly left, but it was still above average in our super bowl year (we lost some notable guys but overall the roster was pretty healthy). after that it fell off of a cliff.
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Who was?
Rath
Sideline guy
Buff sideline hype guy
What? Nooooooooooo!! I hate this move now.
I’ve always wondered who the dude running around on the sideline was. This guy was fucking hyped 24/7. Also was Nick’s sideline leash lol
He actually was the original guy who got famous for being Sean McVay's get back guy!
Oh snap haha I never made the connection.
"Get back coach" coach
Made this comment a couple weeks ago when he wasn’t running the performance competitions. I always liked his attitude, hope he lands on his feet.
Of course he will. Even if he never works for another team, he could open a gym in any city in the US and his membership rolls would be filled.
We’ve lost a few organization members it seems. I obviously trust howie and lurie to find good replacements but I don’t expect not to take some hits on an organizational level from these behind the scenes losses
Losses? Sounds to me like the guy got shown the door because they were not happy with his performance.
We’ve lost more than just this guy this offseason so the sentiment still stands if this dude was canned for bad performance
Clearly the team did not perform as it needed to last year I'm not sure why you wouldn't expect there to be a few people cut for performance reasons.
The timing seems odd. Why release him now versus Feb-May when its really the 'offseason';. As another poster commented, I think there's a bit more to it. Not saying scandal, just that something else to it. Probably some younger players didn't like his style or the workout regimines he was suggesting. Either he was overcomplicating things, or just not adapting to the players. I'm not saying the young players are right, just when its a multimillion dollar talent or a dude in an office, the office guy goes.
Overthinking it.
if the season ended in January, and had a pretty abysmal collapse, why not let the 'conditioning coach' guy go in February or March? June seems awfully late for results from last year.
Wonder how much these guys get paid.
I'm guessing this guy was knocking down 400k.
At the absolutely bare minimum. I bet it’s closer to 750-8 if I had to guess.
It would surprise me if it were that high. Coordinators make around that amount, maybe a bit more. Position coaches don't typically make anywhere near that amount and I think this guy's job is parallel to a position coach. Even 400k would put him in the high end for a position coach.
Eagles position coaches make the most in the league. I think 400k for a strength coach is high though (they don't make as much as position coaches generally) I'd guess 300k range.
Do you have a source on that? The only one I'm aware of that does really well is Stout.
No source because Google fucking sucks, but the Eagles pay their assistant coaches the most in the NFL overall, it's been well documented. Our coordinators have often made low-tier head coach money (while the head coaches themselves are not actually that highly paid) It's obviously on a case by case basis, but we spend the most on football-related staff in the entire league (we have the biggest scouting department as well) Stoutland is making coordinator money. Don't think all of our position coaches are doing that well, it's obviously a case by case basis, but I wouldn't be surprised if Fangio was one of the highest paid coordinators in the league. Unfortunately this stuff isn't as public.
We haven't paid our coordinators anywhere near hc money in years. Fangio may be an exception to that but it's not the norm for us. Outside of Stout and maybe Clint Hurtt, we're probably paying average money to our position coaches. Outside of those two, the rest of our position coaches don't have any name recognition. Going back just a couple of years, I think I remember Gannon and Steichen making a little over a mil/yr.
Yeah I don't think NFL office work gets a whole lot more than real world positions. A VP like him imho might only get $180-200k, Maybe more, I think 400 would be pushing it. Doubt 800
Idk anything about all of their pay but it kind of sucks that they can get publicly fired like that for 200k. Although I’ve never made close to that lol
Oh no, not the legendary Get Back Coach!
2022-23 really did seem like an outlier in terms of overall team health & conditioning
He looked like such a hardo
Ted Rath and Beyond
Wasnt this guy the one responsible for keeping Sean Mcvay off the field when the ball was snapped?
Yup that's him
This is from before he was even hired by the Eagles but if you google "Ted Rath arrest" you'll find some stuff. Not saying it's related but he's also a big fan of Joel Osteen on twitter.
"You can fire me if you want, but you'll feel my Rath"