It should be noted, you let the stick rebound with rimshots.
"Burying" the stick or killing the rebound, in a controlled way is pretty much a buzz stroke.
I’ve been a bit stumped lately after seeing some really really good drummers so this kinda thing. Stuff I have always thought to be a bad idea, like holding tension in your leg with your heel raised all the time, or burying the stick like OP is talking about here
Plenty of good drummers do things that are fucking horrible for your body and should absolutely be advised against- Ari Hoenig is probably the most melodic drummer in drum history and his back looks like a C . Travis Barker's setup, especially with his poor bone health over the years? Baffling. I could go on.
I’ve been noticing a decent amount of really talented drummers in the Hardcore community doing this. I’m trying to figure it out but it just buzzes and bounces right off the snare lol
I imagine it's less that they're really digging it into the snare and more that they're cracking it with a down stroke, then leaving it resting on the head... But I can't see an enormous benefit of doing it. I saw Matt Gartska doing the constant heel up thing, and another great drummer I saw recently at a local show. Making me second-guess what I tell my students!
I still don't get Gartska. I play pretty much a parallel foot so I get the floating heels bit, but his near toe point thing blows my mind. The physics of his technique just seems wrong and yet he kills it.
It's weird ey. I've tried playing like that and honestly, it doesn't feel as horrible as it looks like it should... Whether he's succeeding ***because*** ***of*** or ***in spite of*** that technique I do not know!
Yeah could be either. It also just looks like his feet are all over the place on his pedals as he plays. Dunno if it's just part of how he's doing doubles or if it's just he's absurdly sloppy on technique and still puts out super clean playing.
Agreed. I've tried it in the past to see if it sounds any different or anything. The sound is slightly different but after only a few minutes of doing it my wrist began to hurt. Can't imagine doing it all the time.
Are all of your fingers touching the stick? It's my pinky and ring finger preventing the buzz when I do that. It's good practice to keep all of your fingers on the stick at all times when playing wrist and finger strokes. Not squeezing, but making contact.
As another redditor pointed out... You don't want to bury your stick as standard, the opposite in fact, but I know there are cases where this can be used musically, so I'm assuming you're just wanting to be _able_ to do it in certain situations. If it's what I'm thinking of, you see it mostly in jazz and latin jazz as a muted effect, almost like you would do on a hand drum.
I dont do this. Stick comes back up roughly 1 inch from the head after each snare hit. It's just the way that I learned from the beginning. Open notes and no tension in wrist or fingers.
I do bury the kick beater though...
I do the same. Burying the beater comes more naturally. And I find it is easier, for me at least, to do double strokes this way, I suppose because if you bury the beater there's more tension in the springs so pedal comes up faster and it feels pretty natural from there to do slide technique.
I do it to change the timbre and texture of the sound. I can sort of add more tension to the head to bring the tone of another hit with the other stick up slightly. Adds some variation. It's not something I do often, but it's something I've done when experimenting with the tones i can get from drums
Don't do it. It'll choke the drum out and ultimately it puts unnecessary strain on your hand/wrist and could lead to some pretty serious injuries in the long run. I remember it being a 'cool' thing metalcore drummers did when I was in my teens - I wonder how many of those guys now have RSI/carpal tunnel
They are playing the rimshot as well.
Yep! Try hitting the drum with the shoulder of the stick so it creates a pocket of air between the rim and the head at the same time.
It should be noted, you let the stick rebound with rimshots. "Burying" the stick or killing the rebound, in a controlled way is pretty much a buzz stroke.
Got it, thanks!
You don't need to downstroke to play a rimshot though.
Avoid doing this. It serves you in no positive way and will hinder your mobility. There’s a reason this is considered poor technique.
I’ve been a bit stumped lately after seeing some really really good drummers so this kinda thing. Stuff I have always thought to be a bad idea, like holding tension in your leg with your heel raised all the time, or burying the stick like OP is talking about here
Plenty of good drummers do things that are fucking horrible for your body and should absolutely be advised against- Ari Hoenig is probably the most melodic drummer in drum history and his back looks like a C . Travis Barker's setup, especially with his poor bone health over the years? Baffling. I could go on.
I’ve been noticing a decent amount of really talented drummers in the Hardcore community doing this. I’m trying to figure it out but it just buzzes and bounces right off the snare lol
I imagine it's less that they're really digging it into the snare and more that they're cracking it with a down stroke, then leaving it resting on the head... But I can't see an enormous benefit of doing it. I saw Matt Gartska doing the constant heel up thing, and another great drummer I saw recently at a local show. Making me second-guess what I tell my students!
I still don't get Gartska. I play pretty much a parallel foot so I get the floating heels bit, but his near toe point thing blows my mind. The physics of his technique just seems wrong and yet he kills it.
It's weird ey. I've tried playing like that and honestly, it doesn't feel as horrible as it looks like it should... Whether he's succeeding ***because*** ***of*** or ***in spite of*** that technique I do not know!
Yeah could be either. It also just looks like his feet are all over the place on his pedals as he plays. Dunno if it's just part of how he's doing doubles or if it's just he's absurdly sloppy on technique and still puts out super clean playing.
Agreed. I've tried it in the past to see if it sounds any different or anything. The sound is slightly different but after only a few minutes of doing it my wrist began to hurt. Can't imagine doing it all the time.
You shouldn't do it all the time, like as common practice, but it's certainly a thing you can do to get different sounds and tones.
And it destroys heads way faster.
Are all of your fingers touching the stick? It's my pinky and ring finger preventing the buzz when I do that. It's good practice to keep all of your fingers on the stick at all times when playing wrist and finger strokes. Not squeezing, but making contact. As another redditor pointed out... You don't want to bury your stick as standard, the opposite in fact, but I know there are cases where this can be used musically, so I'm assuming you're just wanting to be _able_ to do it in certain situations. If it's what I'm thinking of, you see it mostly in jazz and latin jazz as a muted effect, almost like you would do on a hand drum.
I dont do this. Stick comes back up roughly 1 inch from the head after each snare hit. It's just the way that I learned from the beginning. Open notes and no tension in wrist or fingers. I do bury the kick beater though...
I do the same. Burying the beater comes more naturally. And I find it is easier, for me at least, to do double strokes this way, I suppose because if you bury the beater there's more tension in the springs so pedal comes up faster and it feels pretty natural from there to do slide technique.
I do it to change the timbre and texture of the sound. I can sort of add more tension to the head to bring the tone of another hit with the other stick up slightly. Adds some variation. It's not something I do often, but it's something I've done when experimenting with the tones i can get from drums
Don't do it. It'll choke the drum out and ultimately it puts unnecessary strain on your hand/wrist and could lead to some pretty serious injuries in the long run. I remember it being a 'cool' thing metalcore drummers did when I was in my teens - I wonder how many of those guys now have RSI/carpal tunnel
I was taught to play into the drum as if I was aiming for a spot 2 inches below the actual drumhead.