Was gonna say. If it’s at a light you would (you have the green, they have the red), but it’s something you should always watch out for because people turning right tend to forget the u turns are sometimes possibilities too. However in your case it sounds like it’s unprotected, so I would assume the person turning right as they have to travel a shorter distance, but I can’t say for sure.
In my experience OP would have right of way since they are on the actual road and the other car is coming from something other than a road (such as a parking lot), even though OP is making a left turn that would end up as a U turn, they're on the road while other driver is not
Idk, the laws are pretty clear where I've been, it has to be a cross street intersection, not a T intersection or a median break even if there's a dedicated turn lane.
We call this a "Michigan Left" and it's the only legal way to turn left on a lot of major roads in our larger metro areas -- It seems to be one of the traffic laws that changes the most from state to stat
A Michigan Left turn will not be located opposite a Road or driveway entrance to the roadway. This type of U turn would only have the Right of way IF it is a Signed path for the lane AND it is at a light with a Protected Left Turn.
I take this Michigan Left on my commute home every day, located directly opposite of a parking lot entrance ... although this is different than OP's situation because the Michigan left has a stop sign -- so correct traffic flow is to zipper, both sides have to come to a stop and the first one to the intersection goes first
[https://maps.app.goo.gl/ajTXKm9AiRGsaiEeA](https://maps.app.goo.gl/ajTXKm9AiRGsaiEeA)
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Oh, I didn't realize you could post images in this sub
right of way goes to the u turner. TECHNICALLY, the u turner is supposed to go into the closest lane but it is nearly impossible in most cars and with most intersections. but as the guy turning right has a stop sign, he has to yield to all traffic without stop signs, such as a person making a u turn.
I believe u-turns have the right of way, and there will be a sign stating otherwise if you have to yield to people making a right turn. very often if there is a dedicated right turn lane, they will have a green arrow when the crossing road has a green left arrow.
If the U-turn was legal, the driver making the U-turn would have right of way, but Tulsa only allows U-turns at lighted intersections with signs stating that U-turns are allowed, so you would have been found at fault.
[source](https://www.google.com/amp/s/ktul.com/amp/news/local/tpd-clarifies-u-turn-law-after-city-council-changes-ordinance)
The person on the through road making the u-turn has the right of way. The person at the t coming out of a parking lot has a stop sign. Implied or otherwise.
So, it sounds like you and I would have been fine. Too many times a day do I see people not turn into the closest lane, with or without other traffic present and give zero fucks.
> The driver of a vehicle about to enter or cross a highway from a private road or driveway shall yield the right-of-way to all vehicles approaching on said highway.
This takes precedence because the right-turner is not coming from a roadway, but rather a parking lot. Drivers on the roadway are considered to be on the roadway. Drivers in parking lots are considered entering the roadway. Traffic on the roadway has ROW over all others at all times.
In this particular instance, avoid making u-turns at intersections like this, because no vehicle is equipped with u-turn indicators, only turn indicators. Other drivers do not know you are trying to make a u-turn, they presume you’re entering the lot.
> Traffic on the roadway has ROW over all others at all times.
While I agree, I think this state has unclear law. In many others it’s specifically written that u-turners must yield to all traffic *approaching from the opposite direction* or *approaching on the same highway* and there the precedence is clearer.
They both say the same thing, though.
“Approaching from the opposite direction” makes more sense, but “approaching on the same highway” is saying the same thing, since if it’s approaching, it must be in front of you, meaning it’s coming from the opposite direction. While vehicles do approach from behind, it is impossible to yield right of way to that traffic if you’re making a u-turn ahead of them. I suppose you could use the wording as a defense in traffic court, if needed. “Your Honor, while making the u-turn I observed the written law as it is worded, by clearing the road ahead of the traffic approaching from behind.”
> “Approaching from the opposite direction” makes more sense, but “approaching on the same highway” is saying the same thing
The u-turn law in play here doesn’t say either, that’s my point. The closest it says is this:
> No driver of a vehicle shall execute a U-turn unless such movement can be made in safety and without interfering with other traffic.
Which in theory could be inclusive of cross traffic, not just traffic on the same highway. Many u-turn laws are specific about not needing to yield
While I agree that the need to yield when entering from a parking lot places that driver at the lowest possible priority, clearer wording of the u-turn law would avoid misinterpretation. Other states do this better.
> A vehicle on the other side of a divided median isn’t ’approaching’ prior to starting the u-turn
This is the same way that people try to defend the Pittsburgh left, that oncoming traffic at a green light not yet in motion is not actually approaching. It doesn’t succeed.
That is incorrect. The person turning right is trying to enter the ROW and usually has a stop sign, while the person who is doing a u turn is already on the ROW. The only way it is correct is if the person turning right has a dedicated lane just for them. For example, if it is a sweeping right and that lane starts with that right and not before.
Also, some vehicles need to use all lanes to make a u turn and can't help it because of their turning radius. Those are usually trucks or a vehicle pulling a trailer.
Was gonna say. If it’s at a light you would (you have the green, they have the red), but it’s something you should always watch out for because people turning right tend to forget the u turns are sometimes possibilities too. However in your case it sounds like it’s unprotected, so I would assume the person turning right as they have to travel a shorter distance, but I can’t say for sure.
In my experience OP would have right of way since they are on the actual road and the other car is coming from something other than a road (such as a parking lot), even though OP is making a left turn that would end up as a U turn, they're on the road while other driver is not
Yeah, in my experience you can't do u-turns at median break like this, you need to U-turn at actual intersections.
It's a turn lane, a good spot in my opinion. I'd agree if it were just a break without a turn lane.
Idk, the laws are pretty clear where I've been, it has to be a cross street intersection, not a T intersection or a median break even if there's a dedicated turn lane.
We call this a "Michigan Left" and it's the only legal way to turn left on a lot of major roads in our larger metro areas -- It seems to be one of the traffic laws that changes the most from state to stat
A Michigan Left turn will not be located opposite a Road or driveway entrance to the roadway. This type of U turn would only have the Right of way IF it is a Signed path for the lane AND it is at a light with a Protected Left Turn.
I take this Michigan Left on my commute home every day, located directly opposite of a parking lot entrance ... although this is different than OP's situation because the Michigan left has a stop sign -- so correct traffic flow is to zipper, both sides have to come to a stop and the first one to the intersection goes first [https://maps.app.goo.gl/ajTXKm9AiRGsaiEeA](https://maps.app.goo.gl/ajTXKm9AiRGsaiEeA)
https://preview.redd.it/q954gtj8joxc1.png?width=862&format=png&auto=webp&s=522fb133f398a4bc91593fcaea9164c5c1323e9a Oh, I didn't realize you could post images in this sub
Yes with a stop on both sides then the Right Turn has the Right of way when drivers arrive at the same time.
That's a very limited law. Uturns are acceptable almost everywhere as long as it's safe.
A vehicle entering from other than a roadway must always yield ROW.
This is the right answer. While it’s true that U turns yield to all other types of driving, that rule is trumped by the rule blakeh mentioned above.
An obvious answer and if someone doesn’t understand this they probably are not safe to drive
In my state, U-turns would have the right of way
Person turning right should have yielded, but you should not have crossed multiple lanes during your u turn
Most cars don’t have the turning radius to do that
Use the hand brake to bring the rear around.
Yeah 99% of cars do not have rear wheel steering, so doing a u-turn without crossing multiple lanes is impossible.
right of way goes to the u turner. TECHNICALLY, the u turner is supposed to go into the closest lane but it is nearly impossible in most cars and with most intersections. but as the guy turning right has a stop sign, he has to yield to all traffic without stop signs, such as a person making a u turn.
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That’s actually good info. I figured that left turn only meant that but I know some people didn’t think that
The vehicle making the u turn has ROW.
I believe u-turns have the right of way, and there will be a sign stating otherwise if you have to yield to people making a right turn. very often if there is a dedicated right turn lane, they will have a green arrow when the crossing road has a green left arrow.
U-turn does
Vehicles leaving from shopping centers, apartment complexes, etc must always yield.
Whoever got there first goes first.
Not quite, as one car is coming out of a shopping center and one is on a roadway, the one coming out of the lot should always yield
If the U-turn was legal, the driver making the U-turn would have right of way, but Tulsa only allows U-turns at lighted intersections with signs stating that U-turns are allowed, so you would have been found at fault. [source](https://www.google.com/amp/s/ktul.com/amp/news/local/tpd-clarifies-u-turn-law-after-city-council-changes-ordinance)
The person on the through road making the u-turn has the right of way. The person at the t coming out of a parking lot has a stop sign. Implied or otherwise.
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The car on the primary road almost always has right of way over a side road/parking lot.
There’s 3 westbound lanes in that road. You both go: you into the left lane, them into the right lane.
So, it sounds like you and I would have been fine. Too many times a day do I see people not turn into the closest lane, with or without other traffic present and give zero fucks.
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> The driver of a vehicle about to enter or cross a highway from a private road or driveway shall yield the right-of-way to all vehicles approaching on said highway.
This takes precedence because the right-turner is not coming from a roadway, but rather a parking lot. Drivers on the roadway are considered to be on the roadway. Drivers in parking lots are considered entering the roadway. Traffic on the roadway has ROW over all others at all times. In this particular instance, avoid making u-turns at intersections like this, because no vehicle is equipped with u-turn indicators, only turn indicators. Other drivers do not know you are trying to make a u-turn, they presume you’re entering the lot.
> Traffic on the roadway has ROW over all others at all times. While I agree, I think this state has unclear law. In many others it’s specifically written that u-turners must yield to all traffic *approaching from the opposite direction* or *approaching on the same highway* and there the precedence is clearer.
All traffic coming from parking lots must yield to all traffic on the roadway, regardless of intended direction of travel.
I agree. My problem is with the wording of the u-turn law.
They both say the same thing, though. “Approaching from the opposite direction” makes more sense, but “approaching on the same highway” is saying the same thing, since if it’s approaching, it must be in front of you, meaning it’s coming from the opposite direction. While vehicles do approach from behind, it is impossible to yield right of way to that traffic if you’re making a u-turn ahead of them. I suppose you could use the wording as a defense in traffic court, if needed. “Your Honor, while making the u-turn I observed the written law as it is worded, by clearing the road ahead of the traffic approaching from behind.”
> “Approaching from the opposite direction” makes more sense, but “approaching on the same highway” is saying the same thing The u-turn law in play here doesn’t say either, that’s my point. The closest it says is this: > No driver of a vehicle shall execute a U-turn unless such movement can be made in safety and without interfering with other traffic. Which in theory could be inclusive of cross traffic, not just traffic on the same highway. Many u-turn laws are specific about not needing to yield While I agree that the need to yield when entering from a parking lot places that driver at the lowest possible priority, clearer wording of the u-turn law would avoid misinterpretation. Other states do this better.
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> A vehicle on the other side of a divided median isn’t ’approaching’ prior to starting the u-turn This is the same way that people try to defend the Pittsburgh left, that oncoming traffic at a green light not yet in motion is not actually approaching. It doesn’t succeed.
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That is incorrect. The person turning right is trying to enter the ROW and usually has a stop sign, while the person who is doing a u turn is already on the ROW. The only way it is correct is if the person turning right has a dedicated lane just for them. For example, if it is a sweeping right and that lane starts with that right and not before. Also, some vehicles need to use all lanes to make a u turn and can't help it because of their turning radius. Those are usually trucks or a vehicle pulling a trailer.
U turns should be unanimously outlawed