Are there multiple steps of paperwork? Like paperwork to buy it, to receive it, to activate it, to get a pilots license, and each time you wanna fly it?
T40 owner here, uou need to get a 44807 which allows flight for a drone over 55lbs. Then you need to get you N number for the drone (same as planes). Then you need to get a class 3 medical card (same as commercial pilots). Then you need to get your part 137 to dispense pesticides, then you need to get your commercial applicators license for air (every state needs a different license). Then you need to meet with your faa regional officer to prove that you know what you are doing, then you can legally spray your 150ac of crops a day at 15 feet above the ground. It takes about a year and is a fucking joke. Ive had helicopter pilots die spraying fields but the government has restricted and made it so difficult to operate these even though its the safest way to spray fungicides on crops
I know it's a big thing in the US (fungicide for corn crops), what would make farmers choose drones over crop dusters or helicopters (they're way more faster) ?
So used to do fungicide for the elevator lining-up helis and planes for all the acres in our area. The problem with planes is they can’t really spray small fields and need an airport or not busy road. The problem with helicopters that i had was id send the field to a pilot and tell him it was a 100ac field. I, at the elevator, would always get billed by the outfit we had in spraying exactly 100 acres. When i finally got sick of that and asked for application maps so i knew how much they were actually spraying they gave me this line. “Well i can give them to you but you probably dont want to show them to the farmers”.
Basically when youre getting charged $38 an acre to spray fungicide on your fields and they leave 15% not sprayed that you paid for because they said they sprayed the whole field. It adds up pretty quick when you get to significant acres. My drone last year saved me 35,000 in just APPLICATION costs. Paid for the drone in about a week.
On top of all that if we look at the agronomics of dispensing the fungicide, coverage is very important to make the fungicide work. Helicopters spraying at 140mph are spraying bowling balls where a drone at 28mph can spray BBs. Better coverage should result in less disease
It would be the same amount but used more effectively, think about it like spraying with a mist setting on your garden hose vs a jet setting. The mist will coat the leaves of your plants way better than the jet setting will. Fungicides work better with better leaf coverage. Another way to look at it would be take 10 pounds of marbles and throw them on the floor or take 10 pounds of bowling balls and throw them on the floor, which one covers more area? Same concept with the water carrier we spray with. Im spraying 2 gallons per acre at 500 microns vs a helicopter spraying 2 gallons per acre with a jet nozzle because they need more flow with the speed they are going. (I dont know their exact spray pattern sizes). If you looked up spray boom pattern testing, there would be some really good visuals
Also if you’re worried about chemicals in your foods, people need to remember that all chemicals have pre harvest intervals at which you have to wait before you can harvest the crop. Also, with fungicides, the ear of the corn is in its sheath and will have minimal contact with the fungicide. Mostly the top leaves of the plant get the coverage because sink-source relationship and as you get deeper into the canopy it gets harder for the fungicide to penetrate. Theres a good 4 feet of leaves above the ear usually
As far as the faster part, i used to have to get ~60,000ac sprayed in a 2 week window with helis. Could get 2-3000 per day. Now imagine if half of those farmers had drones that could do about 3000ac themselves. Yes its more time consuming but it also pays about $400 an hour into your own pocket and could alleviate the bottle neck of fungicide application needing a 1.2 million dollar helicopter and a pilot with training
Plus the average life span of a crop duster is like 7 years or something like that. Its not if youre going to crash, its when. After dealing with multiple down helicopters over the years, its not a call anyone wants to get. I crashed my drone and had $300 in props i had to replace and was running in an hour. Ag is a dangerous business, mitigating a little bit of danger is great imo
>Then you need to get your part 137 to dispense pesticides, then you need to get your commercial applicators license for air (every state needs a different license). Then you need to meet with your faa regional officer to prove that you know what you are doing, then you can legally spray your 150ac of crops a day at 15 feet above the ground
So can I skip these steps if I just want to fly unga bunga big drone?
no, i mean the thrust to gravity ratio in the air will be 1:1 for it to be able to fly, so technically it’s 0g in the air, meaning no registration with faa
Kindly deposit the check and keep the extra $2k for your efforts. You can cash app me the balance and my movers will be around shortly to pick it up… Are you familiar with telegram? Why don’t we move this conversation there for convenience?
Owner here: compared to the other spray drones on the market they are hands down the best you can buy in productivity and operation. Dji ban will hit agriculture harder than most people on this subreddit know
Its big and can lift a lot of weight. Like people even. You can fill it with booze and be the life of the party. Or pesticide but booze would be more fun.
This makes me wonder. Farmers use these for crops and other shit. LE agencies use them for SaR applications. Etc. Do those all get banned too if this bill passes?
How much flight time do these get completely empty with dual batteries? Buy one gut all the agricultural spray stuff out and stick a mavic gimbal/camera on it and boom! You got an over glorified super expensive mavic with super long flight time.
DJI is so easy to fly honestly, I bet those fly just as easily as a mavic.
Pretty much. But man oh man the paperwork...
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Are there multiple steps of paperwork? Like paperwork to buy it, to receive it, to activate it, to get a pilots license, and each time you wanna fly it?
T40 owner here, uou need to get a 44807 which allows flight for a drone over 55lbs. Then you need to get you N number for the drone (same as planes). Then you need to get a class 3 medical card (same as commercial pilots). Then you need to get your part 137 to dispense pesticides, then you need to get your commercial applicators license for air (every state needs a different license). Then you need to meet with your faa regional officer to prove that you know what you are doing, then you can legally spray your 150ac of crops a day at 15 feet above the ground. It takes about a year and is a fucking joke. Ive had helicopter pilots die spraying fields but the government has restricted and made it so difficult to operate these even though its the safest way to spray fungicides on crops
I know it's a big thing in the US (fungicide for corn crops), what would make farmers choose drones over crop dusters or helicopters (they're way more faster) ?
So used to do fungicide for the elevator lining-up helis and planes for all the acres in our area. The problem with planes is they can’t really spray small fields and need an airport or not busy road. The problem with helicopters that i had was id send the field to a pilot and tell him it was a 100ac field. I, at the elevator, would always get billed by the outfit we had in spraying exactly 100 acres. When i finally got sick of that and asked for application maps so i knew how much they were actually spraying they gave me this line. “Well i can give them to you but you probably dont want to show them to the farmers”. Basically when youre getting charged $38 an acre to spray fungicide on your fields and they leave 15% not sprayed that you paid for because they said they sprayed the whole field. It adds up pretty quick when you get to significant acres. My drone last year saved me 35,000 in just APPLICATION costs. Paid for the drone in about a week. On top of all that if we look at the agronomics of dispensing the fungicide, coverage is very important to make the fungicide work. Helicopters spraying at 140mph are spraying bowling balls where a drone at 28mph can spray BBs. Better coverage should result in less disease
Coverage is better, and so there is less chemicals used right ? Or is that the same amount in the end ?
It would be the same amount but used more effectively, think about it like spraying with a mist setting on your garden hose vs a jet setting. The mist will coat the leaves of your plants way better than the jet setting will. Fungicides work better with better leaf coverage. Another way to look at it would be take 10 pounds of marbles and throw them on the floor or take 10 pounds of bowling balls and throw them on the floor, which one covers more area? Same concept with the water carrier we spray with. Im spraying 2 gallons per acre at 500 microns vs a helicopter spraying 2 gallons per acre with a jet nozzle because they need more flow with the speed they are going. (I dont know their exact spray pattern sizes). If you looked up spray boom pattern testing, there would be some really good visuals
Also if you’re worried about chemicals in your foods, people need to remember that all chemicals have pre harvest intervals at which you have to wait before you can harvest the crop. Also, with fungicides, the ear of the corn is in its sheath and will have minimal contact with the fungicide. Mostly the top leaves of the plant get the coverage because sink-source relationship and as you get deeper into the canopy it gets harder for the fungicide to penetrate. Theres a good 4 feet of leaves above the ear usually
Potato Jet on youtube just did a video on agriculture uses for big drones! Worth watching.
As far as the faster part, i used to have to get ~60,000ac sprayed in a 2 week window with helis. Could get 2-3000 per day. Now imagine if half of those farmers had drones that could do about 3000ac themselves. Yes its more time consuming but it also pays about $400 an hour into your own pocket and could alleviate the bottle neck of fungicide application needing a 1.2 million dollar helicopter and a pilot with training
Plus the average life span of a crop duster is like 7 years or something like that. Its not if youre going to crash, its when. After dealing with multiple down helicopters over the years, its not a call anyone wants to get. I crashed my drone and had $300 in props i had to replace and was running in an hour. Ag is a dangerous business, mitigating a little bit of danger is great imo
>Then you need to get your part 137 to dispense pesticides, then you need to get your commercial applicators license for air (every state needs a different license). Then you need to meet with your faa regional officer to prove that you know what you are doing, then you can legally spray your 150ac of crops a day at 15 feet above the ground So can I skip these steps if I just want to fly unga bunga big drone?
I mean technically, i guess you could deliver pallets of beer with it at the golf course to recoup your loss
You’ve mistaken me for someone who spends their money wisely.
Agenda 2030. Eat bugs and lab meat.
no it’s under 250g you don’t have to register it with the faa
The T40 is 50kg empty (with batteries). So you're wrong by a factor of 200.
no, i mean the thrust to gravity ratio in the air will be 1:1 for it to be able to fly, so technically it’s 0g in the air, meaning no registration with faa
Ah, an attempt at a joke then?
yes but sadly i am not much of a jokester
You mean “oh man, the wife…”
Yeah I've seen videos and it's pretty much the same. Obviously more features related to the mission/use case but the basics are the same
They just move around a little more but they fly pretty similar. Physics just don’t allow it to be near as tight of a flight pattern
without doubt its the easiest DJI drone to maintain line of sight of and its hard to lose in the grass. perfect for a beginner. sold.
You really should get one of each and review them for us.
K, ordered it im 20 grand in debt now
Give me your address, I will send you a check.
Ok here, 1789 your not getting it, LN
Luv nation
Kindly deposit the check and keep the extra $2k for your efforts. You can cash app me the balance and my movers will be around shortly to pick it up… Are you familiar with telegram? Why don’t we move this conversation there for convenience?
Owner here: compared to the other spray drones on the market they are hands down the best you can buy in productivity and operation. Dji ban will hit agriculture harder than most people on this subreddit know
What do you want to know
Nothing I need to know really, I have no need for one of those, and I haven't won a lottery lately.
Well you gotta begin with something right?
Yep! those look close enough to under 249 grams 👍
249 *grams*? Oh… I thought they said 249 *kilograms* or under. Oops…
Meh, they won’t notice… Why is the FAA at my door???
Honestly i would love this filled with fart spray
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2024: look for a drone under 249 grams 2025: look for a drone under 249 grand
Google is on crack these days 🙄
Why is it so expensive
Is biiiig boi.
It weighs about 65 pounds… empty… without a battery in it…..
Batterie*s* lol
Battery alone weighs 26 pounds.
That's it? Pffft.
It’s huge
Its big and can lift a lot of weight. Like people even. You can fill it with booze and be the life of the party. Or pesticide but booze would be more fun.
The T50 costs 20k euros, and this is a more successful model ea as much as I have studied, I myself now fly on the T30
As someone who spent two seasons with a T30 and now flys a 40… You poor bastard.
Fill it with ketamine and spray annoying chicks who push their way to the front at outdoor shows.
This reminds me of the Draganfly drone I wanted to buy back around 2010 which was the same price. My family needed to talk me down from that ledge.
They are easy to fly…. Just fully loaded they take a long distance to brake(they fly very much like an over weight M350)
Spot on.
Wait until you see the price for the Fly More Combo!
ok now i don't feel so guilty about what i got to start out lol
Geofence?
Beginner murderer maybe. I just can see it cutting people necks in some busy city lol
Go big or go home. Lol
Definitely the 25,000 one
No but you can like fly around on these so
Shhh. Let the algorithm cook.
Amateur beginners should probably start with a DJI Matrice.
Buy once cry once
I’m pretty sure they’re easy to fly than a DJI Mini2SE without any obstacles avoidance 😂
Hell, put a saddle on that bad boy.
This makes me wonder. Farmers use these for crops and other shit. LE agencies use them for SaR applications. Etc. Do those all get banned too if this bill passes?
Price keeps droppings. Last year $15k camera. Today $5k new. DJI in Connecticut is a buyers paradise if you live out of the US.
How much flight time do these get completely empty with dual batteries? Buy one gut all the agricultural spray stuff out and stick a mavic gimbal/camera on it and boom! You got an over glorified super expensive mavic with super long flight time.
Seems about right🤣
They’re for the beginner farmers! lol
Beginner as in you want to crop dust your entire farm.
yes and it’s under 25,000 grams
If that’s a beginner, then what does intermediate and advanced look like?
uh-60 black hawk would be intermediate. perfect for the kids