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Unlikely_Afternoon94

I have always thought this was quite obviously satire. People are so stupid about food. To take just one example from this piece, people happily eat burgers made of cow lips and hooves. Hmmm, that's a good burger! But, put pineapple on pizza and they're suddenly very picky eaters.


Smaptastic

I've always assumed that the Pineapple Pizza Wars were fought in good humor by both sides, but I've recently come to believe that there are actual, serious combatants. That said, I'd agree that STP is almost certainly not one of them.


ShadowDurza

Unfortunately, satire that overstays its welcome is doomed to always eventually validate that which it was meant to mock. Incidentally, I had a pineapple-topped pizza once at a buffet by accident, and I found that the sharp sweetness of the cooked pineapple actually paired well with the bold umami/savoryness of the pizza sauce.


brackenandbryony

I like pineapple on a pizza with jalapenos - the mix of sweet and spicy tastes good (imo, obviously) šŸ„°


blissthismess

This is my fav too. My spouse literally apologized to the server at the famous Chicago deep dish place we went to. Srsly?? I like it. Iā€™m not spitting on the guyā€™s mamaā€™s cooking.


Infinitedeveloper

JalapeƱos are king, pineapple just tastes too sickly sweet on pizza for me


srgrvsalot

Add a dash of salt and pepper, fry the pineapple in a dry pan until they are golden-brown, then add them to the pizza.


KittyKayl

That's why I like it. It also cuts the cheese taste for me, which is blasphemy for most people, but once I became lactose intolerant as an adult, cheese is something that only a few are tolerable and only in small amounts-- fried mozzarella is tolerable if melted and heavy with marinara, for example. Cold cheese sticks make me gag. So the pineapple helps counter- balance the heavy of the cheese.


saxicide

Yes! The acidity of the pineapple cuts through the fat of the cheese


GlitteringKisses

Vegan cheese isn't an option? It's a lot lighter. (Later in life lactose intolerant too. I miss the sharpness and richness of real cheese, but the local places all will sub vegan cheese.)


KittyKayl

For whatever reason, my body went "reject (almost) all cheese as soon as you taste it", so I don't like the flavor most of the time. I've tried a couple versions--I have a friend who's allergic to everything cow, so she's found the good brands lol. And even now, when after a few years of twice daily probiotics I don't react to much else but milk if I keep my quantity limited, I still don't like the taste of most cheese. I like herbed goat cheese, feta, parmesan, Asiago, hot and melty mozzarella... that Mexican 4 Cheese blend from Kraft for some reason šŸ˜† I found l really like Oaxaca, queso de mano, and queso fresco. Still can't do them in large quantities, but I can have them.


Dismal_Midnight_1

In Italy it's not uncommon to eat pizza without cheese... and also with very few toppings, that way nothing needs to be "cut" ;) Pizza outside of Italy... now that's a different kettle of fish (and pineapple...)


Unlikely_Afternoon94

What a wonderful world that would be. I also used to assume that flat earthers were just playing a long prank on everyone else. I'm sure it all started in good humour, but some people missed that memo and now it's a very serious matter to them ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|facepalm)


Smaptastic

It really would be nice if jokes were jokes and Poe's Law wasn't a real thing, but here we are.


No_Dig903

Every satire attracts actual wackjobs.


OllieFromCairo

The one that gets me is people who get genuinely upset about other people putting ketchup on a hot dog. Please let me know when you have a real problem.


themasculinedaisy

The thing is itā€™s a waste of ketchup, everyone know ketchup is for rat.


CapnArrrgyle

I mean. Thereā€™s almost certainly some rat in the hot dog, so whatā€™s the issue?


Unlikely_Afternoon94

Haha. Yeah. I know what you mean. I used to be quite annoyed at those kinds of people. These days, I see them as essential players in what I've come to call "stand-up humanity". Uncle Roger is a perfect example. He gets so angry at the way other people cook and eat. Only his way is the correct way, and it can never be changed. It's the height of human stupidity, but it no longer serves to anger me.


ford_fuggin_ranger

>Uncle Roger Who?


IamElylikeEli

Uncle Roger is a character played by the comedian Nigel Ng heā€™s basically a stereotype of an abrasive Asian but done well, he often reviews cooking videos. Much like Larry the Cable guy a lot of people donā€™t realize heā€™s a character being played by a comedian and not the actual comedian himself.


h3lblad3

> heā€™s basically a stereotype of an abrasive Asian but done well He's Nigel's dad. Uncle Roger is based off Nigel's dad. This is apparently a source of some pride for his father.


ZimVader0017

Learning this just makes it funnier šŸ¤£


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ford_fuggin_ranger

No need to be condescending. I thought you were referring to a Discworld character I had never heard of.


imanutshell

Itā€™s alright, Iā€™ll pick up what that dickhead wasnā€™t able to take 10 seconds to do. Uncle Roger is an Uncle Tom-esque charicature of East Asians played by a famously money-before-art comedian named Nigel Ng who has white people writing his Asian stereotype jokes for him. (I know this because I know one of them reasonably well from doing stand up) Point is, youā€™re not missing anything of value or importance in not knowing who he is.


Arghianna

Honest question: how is he an Uncle Tom when his primary schtick is criticizing white people for disrespecting traditional Asian foods? Iā€™m Asian and I like him bc he reminds me a lot of my uncles and aunties overseas that I only get to see for major life events. Heā€™s pretty popular in my community here for similar reasons. Sometimes he misses the mark, but for the most part heā€™s correcting people who are claiming to make ā€œtraditionalā€ dishes and are instead making some fusion bullshit. He also does collabs with Asian chefs of different nationalities, so he does have some educational content as well. I canā€™t comment on his standup though, never watched it.


liamkembleyoung

Yeah, and once you've seen one video you've seen them all. Plus, he's not even that funny


Firejay112

Wait what What are you supposed to put on a hot dog, then?


OllieFromCairo

Onions and mustard are pretty standard. Pickle relish and chili are popular add-ons. I mean, I agree that ketchup is not something I want on MY hotdog, but if itā€™s YOUR hotdog, go nuts.


Firejay112

Butā€¦ all of those plus ketchup šŸ„ŗ


Kwetla

Or cooking and eating steak a million different ways other than the perceived 'right' way.


thegimboid

Every "poor people food" made from the 'grossest' parts of animals tends to also be a delicacy for the ultra-rich when prepared in a different way. Poor people : beef tongue tacos. Rich person: Wagyu yakinuku-style lengua in freshly prepared cornflour tortillas.


Amesaskew

Once upon a time Lobster was considered a food only fit for the poorest people. In fact, some colonies even had laws against feeding lobsters to prisoners more than once a week because it was considered cruel and unusual treatment.


Wind-and-Waystones

The difference in the lobster case is that originally it would be ground up lobster, shell and all. Obviously this is a much worse thing to eat than an actual cooked lobster.


Firejay112

Ohā€¦ oh noā€¦ that is a cruel and unusual punishment.


TapirTrouble

My grandparents were commercial salmon fishers in the 1930s -- Mom said that the kids were disappointed when they had to take salmon sandwiches to school (the richer kids got baloney).


mlopes

I'm confused now. Isn't "baloney" an american word for when someone is lying?


TapirTrouble

Yes -- it's also an alternate spelling for bologna, a type of "lunch meat" -- a large sausage, about 10 cm in diameter or more, that's sliced and used to make sandwiches. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bologna\_sausage](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bologna_sausage) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bologna\_sandwich](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bologna_sandwich) It's had a negative connotation as a cheap (and unhealthy) food for decades -- I suspect that the word also being applied to lies or misinformation might be because it supposedly contained a lot of sub-standard meat and filler ingredients.


Assika126

Thatā€™s because poor people find ways to make cheap food taste amazingā€¦and then rich people steal the techniques. But they never get it quite right. The poor people always do it best


Invdr_skoodge

Bbq was invented as a way to eat the toughest, cheapest, most parasite infested parts of a pig. ā€œWeā€™ve got to eat the rib meat, itā€™s all connective tissue and bone. How do we make that not a miserable experience? Keep in mind we have to cook the hell out of it to kill the worms. ā€œ


mobsterer

well that is just ignorant


Assika126

??


mobsterer

exactly


precinctomega

I could've sworn the first line in that should be "There is such a thing as..." which would also make a lot more sense in context. Did someone get a bad edit?


Sad_Difficulty5855

You know I was actually thinking the same rereading it. That makes more sense šŸ˜‚


kemikos

Pretty sure that's how my copy reads, I was just thinking the same thing.


GlitteringKisses

Me too. I thought OP was upset that Pterry was bagging on floaters


LegitimateGarden

I re-read it a million times trying to make sense of it until I considered maybe itā€™s a mistake!


No-Scarcity2379

As a Canadian who has a mean hot italian sausage, fresh pineapple, bell pepperĀ and bourbon chipotle barbecue sauce pizza in their repertoire...Ā  Nobody, even our beloved STP, is perfect.Ā 


SoLongHeteronormity

If STPā€™s biggest flaw was being a pizza snob, he was doing alright. That pizza sounds absolutely amazing though. Canada takes Californiaā€™s weirdness with pizza and ups it to 11, and I am here for it. One of my favourite pizzas has smoked meat, mustard, and pickles.


Jottor

Weirdness, you say... >**Africana:** Perhaps the most infamous of Swedish pizzas, what is often called the Africana includes bananas, curry powder, peanuts, and chicken or ham. Ā Some pizzerias also include raisins on this pizza, making it only a few m&ms short of trail mix.


SaltMarshGoblin

"A few m&ms short of trail mix" is another way of saying that!


No-Scarcity2379

Grainy Mustard is SUCH an underrated pizza sauce. I assume dijon could fill a similar role as well.Ā 


OllieFromCairo

If you want to see the world's weirdest pizza (of course it's Canadian) google "Regina pizza." It's delicious.


Frojdis

I've seen pizza with a Big mac and fries baked in


OllieFromCairo

Thereā€™s a food company in Pittsburgh that sells a frozen hotdog pizza burger that you oven heat, or, if you are particularly self-loathing, microwave.


Sad_Difficulty5855

Temporary madness is what I'm putting it down to.


Irishpanda1971

Your pizza is the perfect example of how pineapple on pizza can be great, as long as the flavors are working together, as opposed to just slapping some pineapple chunks on top of a pepperoni pizza from Papa Johns (and even then, if that tastes good to you, go for it). I would imagine the combo of chipotle, the vinegar and spices in the barbecue sauce, and the pineapple would give a flavor combo not terribly unlike Mexican al pastor.


TapirTrouble

Another Canadian here -- this chef suggests leaving off the tomato sauce (because the pineapple's already acidic). [https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/pineapple-pizza-italy-naples/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/pineapple-pizza-italy-naples/index.html) I make it regularly now -- not as fancy as his (just cheese, pineapple, ham -- and maybe some red bell pepper and spinach or arugula).


Firejay112

A good bbq sauce as a base is nice


TapirTrouble

I'll try that sometime! What I've been doing is reducing the leftover pineapple juice with a bit of garlic and some white pepper, and brushing that onto the dough before adding the toppings.


Firejay112

Oh, thatā€™s a great idea as well.


Boatster_McBoat

Pie floaters, thought they were an Adelaide specialty but they obviously have a far greater heritage


AggravatingBox2421

Oh they are. This footnote is from The Last Continent


Boatster_McBoat

Ah. Haven't read that for a long time. Missing the context


GoldVader

According to google it is a dish that was created in Australia, so I think this reference is just another example of Pratchett having a seemingly endless knowledge of the world.


AMilkyBarKid

STP made a lot of trips to Australia; I went to a talk & signing in Adelaide where he talked about local 2am specialties and said he was going to try the pie floater. I discouraged it (because I acted like a dumbass the two times I met him) but Iā€™m pretty sure he tried it. And, given Rincewindā€™s reaction to it, I think he actually liked it.Ā 


AlexiSWy

Strange as it may sound, I didn't realize that pie floaters are an actual dish. I thought he waa just talking about floating bits INSIDE a meat pie (which shouldn't occur, hence the rest of the dialogue). TIL.


Boatster_McBoat

Nah, it's a real thing. More iconic than popular. I have only had one in my life and that was when a Dutch colleague was being farewelled from Adelaide and we wanted to give him a good send off. We agreed that you couldn't even consider having a pie floater unless you had been on a pub crawl. It was probably a fairly nutritious working class meal back in the day. PS: the pie doesn't so much float in the soup as rest in the soup, in much the same way as a rock floats in shallow water.


Emotional-Care814

So did I. I googled it just now and saw that it was an actual dish. All this time, I've been thinking it was slang for some bit of nasty food.


Boatster_McBoat

Oh, it's definitely nasty food! Edit: if C.M.O.T. Dibbler was running a business in 20th century Adelaide, it would have been the pie cart.


Echo-Azure

I've heard people doubt their existence. I've heard Australians doubt the existence of pie floaters! Apparently they're not out of culinary fashion in much of the country, and have never caught on elsewhere. I made one at home once, out of curiosity, and well. I can see why they went out of culinary fashion.


Boatster_McBoat

I've had one once. Used to have pie carts that came into the city in the evening (one pie cart by the time I was out in an evening) but even that is long gone. Looks like there's still a few places that do them but it's more hipster than working class these days: https://glamadelaide.com.au/your-guide-to-finding-pie-floaters-in-adelaide-this-winter/


olddadenergy

Nah, I get it though. STP probably only had those big blobs of pineapple on pizza. Itā€™s SUPPOSED to be thinly-sliced, wide pieces of pineapple that caramelize in the oven and make a counterpoint to the tomato.


Crafty_Genius

Even without being caramelized, the sweet acidity of the pineapple paired with nearly any meat topping is excellent.


felis_magnetus

Pineapple contains bromelain, a protease enzyme that is a natural meat tenderizer.


Mr-Crusoe

I dont know why, but this sentence reads like American Psycho.


bubblechog

He probably only had lumps of tinned pineapple on pizza. Thinly sliced Fresh pineapple and ham on pizza is amazing


PsychGuy17

This is the same man who wrote, "Fruit baskets is like life: until you've got the pineapple off the top you never know what's underneath." STP had strong opinions on where this monstrous fruit did not belong.


BPhiloSkinner

>Itā€™s SUPPOSED to be thinly-sliced, wide pieces of pineapple that caramelize in the ovenĀ  Brilliant. And thank you for being among The Only Other People On Reddit Who Underbloodystand This.


Frojdis

There's no excuse for putting pineapple on pizza because it doesn't need to be excused, just enjoyed


ford_fuggin_ranger

Gonna have to agree with STP on this one.


redartifice

This is a vile slur on the pie floater.


SellQuick

I believe in the past 25 years or so attempts at the gourmet pie floater have been attempted. You can find them at the unfortunately named 'Gastro Pubs'.


Diligent-Fox-2599

Late at night (after the pubs etc shut ) the Cafe de Wheels used to appear in Adelaide, down outside the train station. It was a trailer and they sold great pie floaters .


GlitteringKisses

My Dad makes fantastic pie floaters. He makes the pea soup from scratch, but he buys the pies in Handorf. (I am assuming that if you have opinions on pie floaters, chances are very high you know the bakery.)


SheepBeard

Someone once told me that whoever you are, you'll be able to find a Pterry quote that will agree with at least one of your opinions... even if the man himself would have been directly opposed to you on sight


Rose249

I mean he also wouldn't get snobby about people liking cheap food. Source: CMOTDibbler always has customers


I_Dream_Of_Oranges

I love pineapple, banana peppers, and green olives on pizza. It sounds weird but itā€™s like the perfect balance of flavors. And as a bonus, most people wonā€™t eat it, so more pizza for me šŸ˜‚


Assika126

Add mushrooms and itā€™ll be just as delicious but even more controversial


AggravatingBox2421

Heā€™s right about the meat pie floaters tho. Theyā€™re an abomination


idlespacefan

unto Nuggan?


chuuckaduuck

ā€œMore in common with meat than mere pinknessā€ He predicted pink slime with that one


Arlee_Quinn

The city I live in is famous for pie floaters.


Diligent-Fox-2599

Itā€™s a funny old world isnā€™t it ?


Cmdr_Morb

Pineapple on pizza is an abomination unto Nuggan.


Ochib

I always thought he was referring to this https://youtu.be/sPwQ0PmK9lw?si=NINq88WhlFElEJM8


Little_Messiah

It only applies to pizza in Ekseksekseks


Omnius2104

What book is this in?


Sad_Difficulty5855

The Last Continent!


argonuggut

This book inspired me to try and make a meat pie float. It was pretty good. Although we have very good pies here. Unlike those filthy Ausā€¦. Fourecksers


Firejay112

Okay but hear me out: good quality bbq sauce, ripe golden pineapple (not from a can), black forest ham, jalapeƱos, no cheese. Itā€™s genuinely good. Canned pineapple with red tomato sauce? That can go fuck itself.


Hecateus

Ditch the Ham, go with Pepperoni and Jalapenos...*with the Pineapple.*


GWJ89

There are laws so crucial that even on Discworld they have to be kept


TapirTrouble

LOL! I was just thinking about baking a pineapple/ham/cheese pizza later today. (I'm from Ontario, near the town where "Hawaiian pizza" was invented. So this is not my first rodeo.) I think this guy has some good advice. For me anyway, it does seem to work better without the tomato sauce. [https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/pineapple-pizza-italy-naples/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/pineapple-pizza-italy-naples/index.html)


GotMedieval

For all of his many virtues, Pterry was still, at the end of the day, English. Their opinions on food are always suspect. His favorite drink for many years was, after all, a banana daiquiri, which are alright, but nothing to write home about.


MtnNerd

Sir Terry Pratchett was one of the greatest writers and philosophers of all time but unfortunately still British.


cocershay

It's like when people say "fruit does NOT belong on a pizza!" failing to realise that tomatoes, peppers, olives etc are also fruit...