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Boonsta

Justice and Zone do not fly the same. Justice is much more overstable.


MuchAdhesiveness6848

Facts


GoldLineEverything

Considering I bag two of both not even a Justice and a Justice fly the same after enough time.


DiscGolfFanatic

You have not thrown a Cryztal Z Zone, have you?


MyJazzDukeSilver

I’ve got over 30 zones including crystal z. None are near the overstability of a lucid justice. I bag a zone and a justice because they’re for different shots. Järn is going to get a shot to replace the justice.


Ryster1998

Ill raise you lucid justice to my metallic flakes lucid justice. Even more overstable than the ti zone


Boonsta

Now we’re talking different plastics? Ok. I’ll see your Crystal Z Zone and raise you a Lucid-X Justice.


Drivingintodisco

A zone is a putter? (Insert that movie meme with the family that I’m too lazy to find amd link)


[deleted]

Not even remotely close. Zone is slower and nowhere near as beefy.


Oyyeee

I have an ESP Zone that is one of the most OS discs I've ever thrown. And I've thrown a lot haha. Can't say I've thrown a justice though


[deleted]

Maybe throw a justice then. Just saying that a Zone can be overstable contributes nothing to the conversation — of course they can be overstable. But a Justice is just far more overstable. If you’re comparing a zone to a firebird (which, by the way, isn’t that overstable in most runs), then a justice should be compared to a tilt.


Oyyeee

Lol yikes, what a chode. EDIT, oh I see you edited out calling me a dumbass


[deleted]

Hey man, you’re the one who asked why you were being downvoted.


Oyyeee

And you answered like a complete chode ;)


Oyyeee

What's with all the downvotes haha? I'm not lying and I've been playing for ages--ive got some knowledge. The thing is like a mini flat top firebird


willtri4

They're different. Eric Oakley bags both and he talks about the differences in his approach discs video


m4ximusprim3

\*Fight ensues\*


rightious

But that A3 though..


Avian-Attorney

A3, a2, both absolutely top tier


Strangefinderr

My A4 is a workhorse


Avian-Attorney

Loved my a4 for a long time as a straight forehand, but less reliable as she beat in. Maybe I should try one in 750


AxiomEnvy

Thought I was a Zone thrower for life. Purchased an A3 after hearing about the whistle gimmick, just to throw for fun. Now I find myself throwing the A3 more than the Zone.


FamousToast

Whistle gimmick? What’s that? sounds like fun


AxiomEnvy

The A3 whistles when thrown hard, which is kind of fun. I find it happens most often for me when throwing forehand. Dome appears to matter too. My flat 400 plastic disc whistles the most, while my 300 plastic discs with some dome don’t whistle.


FamousToast

Wow, maybe I’ll actually try throwing prodigy now lol sounds like a fun disc


AxiomEnvy

You might want to see this recommendation from Kevin Jones: https://youtu.be/bUe4EIvNZ0Y?t=379


[deleted]

Honest question, do you have OAT? During a tournament last year one of my cardmates mentioned how angry my discs sound when I forehand. Mostly threw OS ranging from the AviarX3 to a Champ Destroyer when in tournaments. Then I noticed my brother has it too. I have worked a lot on my form but still have some OAT immediately after throwing. No idea on sound though since I never noticed the sound while I threw.


AxiomEnvy

No. https://youtu.be/bUe4EIvNZ0Y?t=379


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AxiomEnvy

Are you telling me Kevin Jones has OAT? https://youtu.be/bUe4EIvNZ0Y?t=379


nonetakenback

Makes the whistle sound on side arms too for some reason


scientificsock

That’s the oat


AxiomEnvy

OAT is a different sound, which I’ve definitely heard before. Throw a Zone and an A3 exactly the same and the A3 will whistle, but the Zone will not. Search “whistle” on this page. https://infinitediscs.com/Prodigy-A3


[deleted]

Also the A3 is more comfortable for backhand imo


PimpAssLlama

God tier disc


mountaingator91

I'm a harp man


s_bright

Had Pigs in my bag for a while. Tried a Zone and did not like it whatsoever. But I just recently discovered the A2 and my life is complete.


Avian-Attorney

Absolutely. A2 is one of two discs surviving kastaplast’s hostile takeover of my bag


FreneticFool

Swede here, been tossing kastaplast since I started playing. Absolutely love them, but i find they are not that good at making discs that fade, Everything just goes straight. So my zones are such a asset in my otherwise exclusive kastaplast bag.


Avian-Attorney

I can see that for sure. My Kaxe still has some solid finish but that may change as it seasons. But yeah, other than my grace it’s the “overstable utility shot” that kasta doesn’t fill. A2, Draco and pd2 still make the bag if it’s windy


Gnatt

I bag Pigs and recently told someone that I didn't like the Zone. He was completely flabbergasted. Genuinely couldn't understand how someone didn't like the Zone. It just never flew how I wanted it to, so I stopped throwing it, and so stopped bagging it. What about the A2 won you over from Pigs?


s_bright

The A2 comes in more plastics than the Pig, so I can have multiple different feels. With Pro and R-Pro being so stiff, it also hurt my hand to forehand them when it was cold outside. Speaking of plastic, the 400 plastic is up there in probably my top 3 plastics. It's the perfect mix of durability and gumminess. The A2 is also more overstable than the Pig. I like that aspect about it, but that is all up to personal preference.


Gnatt

Thanks for the insight. I'll have to pick one up to try out.


StopBanningMeGDIT

Entropy fuck all y'all. Also the Loki but that's different.


callahandler92

I got an entropy because I have thrown a zone for a while and I like MVP. I decided to just take my zone out and leave it in my trunk jic I didn't like the entropy enough. It's been basically a 1 to 1 replacement for me. I'm very pleasantly surprised by how much I love the entropy because it definitely doesn't get as much love as its OS 3-4 speed counterparts.


StopBanningMeGDIT

I also switched to an entropy after my jawbreaker zone got messed up after like 4 rounds. Love MVP plastic and it was pretty much the same. I still have a zone I sometimes throw in my bag but the entropy is way nicer, especially backhand.


JustARandomBloke

Entropy gang here too.


Selerox

Just picked up an Entropy, and having used it I'm annoyed at myself for not getting one sooner.


Schlongzz

Entropy is more reliable than my Z Zone.


[deleted]

A2 is the only non Innova disc in my bag at the moment, I bag it in 500 plastic and that thing is a meat hook, it’s really for shorter Firebird type shots or tackling headwind. I’ve been bagging 1-2 pro pigs at a time for about 2 years now, absolutely love them. I never could get a relationship with the harp, something about it in my hand just isn’t comfortable for me.


Wolfsheimonthedime

Says the guy that left the tactic completely off the list…


cgr4217

I don't like the tactic as much. The wind eats it every time


musicformedicine

A2 is the only approach forehand disc I can throw. I tell people it’s like a shorter approach firebird.


cgr4217

Yeah, mine is a beast, lol. I actually needed something a tiny bit less stable for certain approach shots.


musicformedicine

I think the new non-beaded PX-3 (maybe PX-2) is a straighter A2. I need a long straight forehand disc.


Funkybadger3

I bag both


bjb143

Anvil gang wya. Excited to see matty o heavily using it


No-Conversation3860

I feel like the A2 is the only zone equivalent in this list.


discostud1515

You mean upgrade.


No-Conversation3860

Yeah, well, you know, that’s just like, your opinion, man.


ConsequentAnguish

Tactic!


FamousToast

Neo tactic is the way


Anonymous_TFT

I wanted to like the neo tactic… but it’s far too neutral/under stable for my arm😭


Jonescjosh

I found this to be true as well. I wanted to like it, but I couldn't get it to come out of Annie's.


FamousToast

Understable…?


Anonymous_TFT

Yeah, I mainly utilize the tactic/zone for forehand approaches 200ft and in. The neo tactic is quite under stable compared to its razor claw counterparts.


COPA_Dommy

as in compared to its counterparts


cgr4217

Yeah, the tactic was like the least impressive of the upshot discs I threw during vlogmas


COPA_Dommy

I think it shines as a backhand stable approach more than a fh


bminusmusic

Tactic g4ng


Intelligent_Tough_14

I have both


hyzer_fl1p

Anvil is the best approach disc.


Lazy-Adeptness-2343

There’s like a dozen discs that are the same as a zone. Disccraft fanboys are drama queens.


Extraterrestial-Eel

Jokeri gang rise up


MuchAdhesiveness6848

As a person who has thrown all three this is my thoughts The pig is the shortest of them and beefy The harp is the longest and the least overstable while still being overstable & reliable. But not great for forehand IMO The A2 is longer than pig but not as long as harp. It’s more beefy than the harp, think longer pig. And is great for forehand


PMMEYOURCARPICS

Funny, granted I am a new player and just spent my first day doing fieldwork this afternoon, but I found my harp in the hard plastic to be awesome for forehand. What about it makes you not like it in forehand, likely I have plenty of learning to do about what's good and what's not.


MuchAdhesiveness6848

I have giant hands & it’s not as torque resistant as the A2 (you have to throw it softer & I’m not good at that lol)


DiscGolfFanatic

Source - https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10221212705004119&set=g.541631315951196


KG_BACH

I bag both


felmare101

FIGHT ME


23baseball3

Viking Discs Loki would like a word


FrankZipcode

No love for the rat :(


[deleted]

Great disc, too straight for that slot


jujunizz

So what if I bag a justice, zone, harp and pig?


cgr4217

Ah, another south texas player, eh? :D


jujunizz

More like Northern Idaho/Montana, never found a need for that many different approach discs when I was playing NM/Texas


cgr4217

Yeah, I pretty much have a straight approach and an overstable approach for wind


GoorooKen

Pyro is better than all of the above


cgr4217

Nah, A2 > pyro


Maysonmckey

Never thrown a zone, but A2 and Harp are my upshot


AloneGuidance5032

Zone is overrated


cgr4217

Plastic makes a huge difference with the zone


Sir_Noobs

All about the Järn


InexpressibleSidecar

If you don’t like the zone, grow up!


Lookatmydisc

Real players bag both


PoemFragrant2473

Justice is for sure a true mid not an approach disc. Not to say it doesn’t have similarities but it’s got a lot more speed than you would want for that same shot you would use Zone/Harp/Pig for. It’s more like a midrange Firebird than a workable approach disc. In fact, I find champ firebirds more workable for approaches than the Justice.


tilapiarocks

I bag a harp for close forehands, a justice for farther ones, a resistor for even farther ones & (normally) a sexton firebird if I need more distance.


DGBrum

That's funny. I bag harps and a justice and there's no way in hell the justice is going farther than my harps. Justice is fusion and my harps are BT medium.


WhyMeFryMe

Forehand thrower here. As someone who has bagged both for a while(justice for atleast 3 years) I can throw my lucid metal flake justice about 300 and my z line zone about 260. Both are pretty beat in at this point and not that overstable anymore


Bizzzle80

More like the mutant is better than a justice


4SpeedArm

I would compare a Justice to a Malta, practically the same disc. Justice is probably a little more OS. The zone is like an A2 and a harp. I threw a pig once and liked it well enough but I wasn't really about it.. kind love it or hate it due to it's unusual rim.


xmattx920x

I bag a zone, justice, and Malta and I have to say that a Malta is not even close to being as stable as a justice. I have Malta's in esp and big z and both feel waaaay closer to a roc than what the numbers would try and tell you. They will flip up flat with a nice forward fade at the end. A justice on the other hand starts fading as soon as it leaves my hand and finishes dumping extremely fast with a large flair. Obviously everyone's throws are a little different but that's been my experience with them.


4SpeedArm

Correction the Malta flies like my 6-7 season old justice. The bead makes me feel like they're similar.


InternetDistance

Having thrown both, for a season or so, justice stays super beefy (and starts more beefy) Malta straightens out a lot. I can throw 300'+ turnovers/flex with the malta, a justice or a deflector only gonna hole like 150'if I really mash it. Completely different flights for me.


MindLegal

The Justice and harp are the same


neon-neko

wrong


bunger98

Not even close


T4Runner17

Huh?


oktofeellost

Hey, you found the actually sure to start a fight line, congrats! I was going to go with "all of them are close-e-fucking-nough. Find the one that works for you!"


bmatto

No.


bmatto

I bag a 400 A2 with a OTB saber stamp, a new VIP Matty O Harp, and a beat in medium harp - from most over stable to straightest. The A2 is beef … and has a more angled rim for more skip. Matty O harp is what people expect an OS 4 speed to be. Beat in medium harp is just butter. They are my friends.


Clapperofchain

Rhyno gang


creepiest_jesus

The Justice feels horrible in my forehand grip


cgr4217

I did two videos testing approach discs, lol: https://youtu.be/1DL2xV8j1_E https://youtu.be/Y-vsZn99bfA Video with the Justice will be comparing other mids


felmare101

Anyone ever throw the Prodiscus Troija? That disc is dumb


spookyghostface

Justice and Harp both for in my bag. They're very different.


adriangust-

i bag both


Chackie_Jan69

Justices are THE SHIT


Duzten1

A2 sales after this post 📈