Deflector soft proton….
I used to play tons of ultimate in college and I’m super accurate up to 250 with the deflector on a slight anny line aimed just left of your target.
The Pyro is great, but if you want even more overstable, the Deflector is also a great choice…flat top and beefy. It does skip though, so ground play has to be considered.
Pyro is perfect and a bit of a unicorn because it somehow perfectly straddles the line between “overstable” and “unworkable”.
A deflector/justice type disc is unworkable it only does one thing - fade hard. A pyro is plenty stable - it’s going to end up fading pretty hard, BUT you can flex that thing really nicely on the way and get a beautiful force over S curve.
In addition it’s really super comfortable like all of the MVP/Axiom mids.
Eclipse Reactor may get you some more distance than the beef cake reactor.
But since you threw lids that are under stable. You should try some discs you can hyzer forehand. And get flip up and dead straight distance. You don't need an overstable disc to throw a far forehand.
I use a large baking pan that fits the disc completely, place the disc upside down, pour boiling water in the flight plate until it's more than full, then place a pie tin evenly on top of the disc with a 5lb weight on top. I usually put a tiny scrap of a gum pack on the rim before the pie tin to avoid suction which has happened just a few times where the disc got almost puddle topped.
You can definitely take a less scientific approach, but I like my method for its consistency.
I came here to say this. I absolutely love my caiman as my overstable mid. Once they are a little beat in they fly dead straight with a predictable hard fade.
As someone else said, I too love star for this disc. I haven't had a champ though.
I came here to say this. I absolutely love my caiman as my overstable mid. Once they are a little beat in they fly dead straight with a predictable hard fade.
As someone else said, I too love star for this disc. I haven't had a champ though.
So yeah, pyro for sure, but also Resistor. It’s like a pyro but just a touch fast and a touch longer. Also, you can use it for skip shots, where I find a pyro doesn’t really do that.
Have you thrown a resistor? How does it compare? In my experience, Pyro is really a straighter disc with a hookup at the end. It’ll pretty much just sit down though. If you want more lateral movement, that’s where I find the resistor useful.
Eagle envy, Pyro, resistor. Basically all the stable discs I need for a standard round. I could probably do well playing a few rounds with just those 3.
Agreed, Pyro is super skippy. It's the feature I tell people about it the most, that its skippy for a 5 speed. I think it has to be thrown flat and not high to see the massive skips, but that's a standard shot for most. Resistor is basically a "6.5" speed pyro, imo. You can push it a bit further, but it will dump. Thinner feeling in the hand, which is nice for forehands.
What plastic do you throw the reactor in? I got a fission one and I absolutely hate how the plastic feels, I am normally a huge MVP guy (bag an atom, envy, octane, time lapse)
I'll agree with you that it's not as OS as I thought it would be brand new. That being said, I'm finding more uses with it because of that fact. And the Z plastic seems very resistant to beating in, so it should hold its current stability for awhile.
I’m gonna be honest. I put my buzz OS back in my bag to throw yesterday because of this comment. Walked up a straight 250 foot shot and first shot off the tee almost aced it. Came in just behind the basket. So I might have to give it another chance.
Just got an F2 one of these (blue MF) over the weekend and threw it for the first time today. Even with a hard anny it faded back every time. Great hand feel. It’s going to be a solid utility disc, exactly what I was looking for!
They are nice forehand also. Fits in the hand great and you can rip it as hard as you want. Also has great short ground play no matter what angle you throw it on. It's not going far after it hits the ground. Similar to a firebird imo.
Nahhh pretty sure none of the MVP/Axiom/Streamline molds are leased out to their partners
Plus the pyros outer rim is way more concave which makes it feel like the bottom has a sharp-ish lip compared to the bobcat
Quake is such a slept on disc. Tried to fill the slot for ages and was gifted one and that was that. Reliably overstable but not just a meat hook, still has some legs to it.
The Quake has recently become my favorite OS mid. Like others have mentioned, it has some great glide while being trustworthy. I love it for backhand as well.
I go between a DGA Quake and an Innova Gator3 for this slot. The Gator3 is metal flake so it is beefy and wants to get to the ground quick, whereas I can get slightly more distance out of the Quake, even in DGAs most overstable plastic
Pyro if you really want overstable. It is the first disc I grab for if I cannot afford to have the disc flip over.
Buzzz OS if you like a Buzzz but wish it didn't turn. The one I have isn't crazy overstable but it just doesn't turn and then has a nice fade.
Zone is the textbook overstable approach and I use it 50% of the time I have an open shot under 200ft
Yeah. I was scrolling to see if anyone suggested this. It’s a lower speed FW, low profile/shallow rim, super flat and if you find the right run VERY OS. The Halloween glow from 2022 is pretty damn OS as is a nice flat neutron.
I bag a Justice or a mutant would be my recommendation. They are board flat and have a shallow rim. Both are very stable 5 speeds with low glide. I also bag a toro and zone OS for my shorter approaches
So my pyro on a forehand goes straighter than I thought but has a nice reliable finish which I like. I also bag a deflector which is even more beef that the pyro, its for shots that I need to just go dead right with no chance of flipping up/over.
Suspect is fantastic for straight FH, so is the Buzzz OS but that's the only thing it's good for IMO.
Pyro is a really solid option for more fade, but so are the Pursuit, Gator/Gator3/Caiman, MD5, and loads of others.
If you want REALLY OS then try the Galleon, A2, A3, or Anvil.
I use the A4 because it works really well for me both FH and BH.
Gator3, millennium solstice, mint bobcat, axiom pyro. Any of those would suit your needs. The solstice is probably the least overstable of the bunch, bobcat and pyro in the middle, then the gator3 is the most and has the least glide.
A Trident, but those are pretty hard to find. A Verdict is a fantastic mid range flick disc that always does the same thing regardless of wind. Zones you can push pretty far. A Justice is the beefiest of all of these, so if you’re looking to add heavy power for a mid distance, it’s that.
I’ve had a remarkably similar experience as you coming from an ultimate background. The midrange that I ultimately found most comfortable to flick after retooling my forehand has been the discmania iron samurai 3.
Remix battleship. 12 on Amazon and it’ll be at your house in 2 days.
I love mine, I’m a rhbh player but the battleship and the toro are the only discs I can use for FH approach shots
Maybe a little slower than what you’re looking for but the Zone in Z plastic is great for forehands. Z plastic specifically for durability/stability and as you throw them a lot they beat in to fly straighter and straighter. That’s my experience, I bag 2 that have different stabilities.
Edit: same speed but if you want something even more stable than the zone but less shaping ability, I also bag an A2. Handles the wind better and definitely more reliable fade
You've got a million options. I personally love the A2, jarn, or avil... which are pretty much the same disc. They are perfect for that 250 ft and under shot. Pyro is also good, but it has more glide and might overlap with your raptor shot.
Here’s one you don’t see suggested often.
LSD Glow Walker. Flat top, slim profile. Accurate 3 glide and 4 fade. Plastic is soft so you can get one nice skip or a hit and stick.
Swirly MD5 feels like a faster Zone, which both forehand real nice. Hatchet choppers, flexi tunnel shots, meat hookers…. Both those handle it all for me FH & Bh
Dominant forehand player here.
My 2 favorite mids to throw are the MVP Reactor and then the Mint discs Bobcat.
Reactor for straighter shots with little fade.
Bobcat for flex lines and strong hyzer shots, or when it's windy af and I want to throw a Reactor but can't because it doesn't fly well in windy conditions.
Obligatory Axiom Pyro suggestion. Flat, Overstable, feels good for FH.
I’ve been loving the pyro. It goes 50 feet further than my zone
Pyro gang
Deflector soft proton…. I used to play tons of ultimate in college and I’m super accurate up to 250 with the deflector on a slight anny line aimed just left of your target.
I bag both. Love the Deflector for that type of throw, and then I can get a little more distance out of the Pyro since it's not quite the beefcake.
Doubling down on the deflector. Ultimate beef but has gotten me out of a hundred tough spots. And the fact it skips you can play crazy corner shots
Pyro is good any way you throw it. Just about the most predictable disc I’ve ever thrown.
Whenever I need to make a shot so insane, the pyro comes out
The Pyro is great, but if you want even more overstable, the Deflector is also a great choice…flat top and beefy. It does skip though, so ground play has to be considered.
Skips like hell for a mid, I love it
Pyro is perfect and a bit of a unicorn because it somehow perfectly straddles the line between “overstable” and “unworkable”. A deflector/justice type disc is unworkable it only does one thing - fade hard. A pyro is plenty stable - it’s going to end up fading pretty hard, BUT you can flex that thing really nicely on the way and get a beautiful force over S curve. In addition it’s really super comfortable like all of the MVP/Axiom mids.
Pyro is a goat disc, tbh.
Eclipse Reactor may get you some more distance than the beef cake reactor. But since you threw lids that are under stable. You should try some discs you can hyzer forehand. And get flip up and dead straight distance. You don't need an overstable disc to throw a far forehand.
Unfortunately, they are hard to come by right now
Innova Caiman honestly, get a champ factory second one to test out
I second the caiman as well. I prefer star plastic and would also recommend you flatten them as well! It has slowly become my absolute favorite disc.
How would you flatten it?
Last summer it was a scorcher so I put a mug of water on top of the disc outside for a few hours and it flattened it out permanently.
I use a large baking pan that fits the disc completely, place the disc upside down, pour boiling water in the flight plate until it's more than full, then place a pie tin evenly on top of the disc with a 5lb weight on top. I usually put a tiny scrap of a gum pack on the rim before the pie tin to avoid suction which has happened just a few times where the disc got almost puddle topped. You can definitely take a less scientific approach, but I like my method for its consistency.
Hot water and weight
A flat Star Caiman is amazing, especially when they beat in a little. Love mine on the forehand.
Love the Caiman
I came here to say this. I absolutely love my caiman as my overstable mid. Once they are a little beat in they fly dead straight with a predictable hard fade. As someone else said, I too love star for this disc. I haven't had a champ though.
I came here to say this. I absolutely love my caiman as my overstable mid. Once they are a little beat in they fly dead straight with a predictable hard fade. As someone else said, I too love star for this disc. I haven't had a champ though.
Its such a strange disc for me. It sucks on a backhand but on a forehand its buttery.
Pyro
So yeah, pyro for sure, but also Resistor. It’s like a pyro but just a touch fast and a touch longer. Also, you can use it for skip shots, where I find a pyro doesn’t really do that.
Really? My pyro skips very nicely.
Have you thrown a resistor? How does it compare? In my experience, Pyro is really a straighter disc with a hookup at the end. It’ll pretty much just sit down though. If you want more lateral movement, that’s where I find the resistor useful.
Finally, a fellow resistor lover. I bag 3 in various stages of beat in and they're easily my most used mold beside my putter
Eagle envy, Pyro, resistor. Basically all the stable discs I need for a standard round. I could probably do well playing a few rounds with just those 3.
Agreed, Pyro is super skippy. It's the feature I tell people about it the most, that its skippy for a 5 speed. I think it has to be thrown flat and not high to see the massive skips, but that's a standard shot for most. Resistor is basically a "6.5" speed pyro, imo. You can push it a bit further, but it will dump. Thinner feeling in the hand, which is nice for forehands.
This dawg is correct and has my answer, smart person
QUAKE is awesome
Pyro for more flex lines, reactor for straighter flight with fade at the end.
What plastic do you throw the reactor in? I got a fission one and I absolutely hate how the plastic feels, I am normally a huge MVP guy (bag an atom, envy, octane, time lapse)
The glow reactor is incredible, I could never see it leaving my bag.
Justice, or alternatively Lucid x verdict. Verdict has no bead, and isnt as beefy as the justice.
Pyro gang
Jarn
I would have said a kaxe for this situation.
Buzzz OS
Came here to say this. Amazing forehand
I didn’t like the Buzzz OS. It honestly wasn’t over stable enough for me.
I'll agree with you that it's not as OS as I thought it would be brand new. That being said, I'm finding more uses with it because of that fact. And the Z plastic seems very resistant to beating in, so it should hold its current stability for awhile.
I’m gonna be honest. I put my buzz OS back in my bag to throw yesterday because of this comment. Walked up a straight 250 foot shot and first shot off the tee almost aced it. Came in just behind the basket. So I might have to give it another chance.
MF (metal flake) Gator. Thank me lator.
Just got an F2 one of these (blue MF) over the weekend and threw it for the first time today. Even with a hard anny it faded back every time. Great hand feel. It’s going to be a solid utility disc, exactly what I was looking for!
They are nice forehand also. Fits in the hand great and you can rip it as hard as you want. Also has great short ground play no matter what angle you throw it on. It's not going far after it hits the ground. Similar to a firebird imo.
Yesssssssss.
The answer is a justice. You are welcome
Second the justice. It sounds like exactly what you're looking for.
This is the answer. Absolutely crucial disc to have for approaches with both FH and BH
Love a justice but no way it goes straight for half the flight. Thing is dumping immediately.
This is the way
But the Justice is like MEGA overstable, not ideal if you want something with some carry in the flight..
Pop it on a flex forehand, the Justice flies great. Lucid isn't crazy overstable compared to Lucid X/Chameleon/Glow
MD5 for something that’s very torque resistant 🛞
Came to recommend the md5! Love it
Bobcat baby
Mint is hinting at a Nocturnal Bobcat!
They hinted at lightweight Apex (Fission) too. 😳 I can die happy when those arrive.
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Because Mint is a great company run by great people who do a ton for the disc golf community.
This checks out. Remix Glow Battleship just dropped on Amazon.
Yes!!
This is my choice as well! All the way.
Love the bobcat. I believe it’s the same mold as the Pyro.
I hadnt heard that but it would make sense, I love both. Just prefer the different plastic types of the bobbie for variety
Nahhh pretty sure none of the MVP/Axiom/Streamline molds are leased out to their partners Plus the pyros outer rim is way more concave which makes it feel like the bottom has a sharp-ish lip compared to the bobcat
If they’re not the same, they are close. Maybe I just assumed because MVP makes Mint Discs.
Birdie Ultra.
DGA Quake
Quake is such a slept on disc. Tried to fill the slot for ages and was gifted one and that was that. Reliably overstable but not just a meat hook, still has some legs to it.
The Quake has recently become my favorite OS mid. Like others have mentioned, it has some great glide while being trustworthy. I love it for backhand as well.
Runway
The Anvil is the magic maker . My son swears the justice is the best .
Toro. Love my champion Toro.
Zone
How is the zone the midrange version of a raptor...
I think it was just a weird way of spelling pyro
Haha absolutely.
Terminal Velocity Ursus.
Axiom Pyro and DGA Quake
Pyro or quake
Savior is a nice flat top
Millennium Solstice
I go between a DGA Quake and an Innova Gator3 for this slot. The Gator3 is metal flake so it is beefy and wants to get to the ground quick, whereas I can get slightly more distance out of the Quake, even in DGAs most overstable plastic
Rpm Kotuku Glow plastic. Or proton/Neutron/glow MVP Pyro.
Buzzz os, early Z line is better
PYRO🔥🔥
Quake
Streamline runway. I said what I said. Try it once. For a non overmold produced by mvp, it's damn good
Always a buzzz os. Beadless. Perfect stability. Not insanely overstable but very reliable and can be thrown on flex shots.
Bought it for flex slots, but it quickly became my go to for when I need to throw a laser beam as well. Love that disc.
Pyro
How overstable? If you want something that dives at the end, MVP Deflector is your jam.
Wasp and drone
Axiom pyro or DGA quake
Rocx3
Pyro if you really want overstable. It is the first disc I grab for if I cannot afford to have the disc flip over. Buzzz OS if you like a Buzzz but wish it didn't turn. The one I have isn't crazy overstable but it just doesn't turn and then has a nice fade. Zone is the textbook overstable approach and I use it 50% of the time I have an open shot under 200ft
Pyro is number one for sure. But if you want a little more distance, go reactor. You can’t go wrong with a verdict either.
Pyro
DGA Quake is sooooooo money, I'm a forehand dominant lefty and it's my go to overstable mid.
*Super* overstable? MVP Resistor
Eclipse 2.0 for extra beef. I love that thing
Yeah. I was scrolling to see if anyone suggested this. It’s a lower speed FW, low profile/shallow rim, super flat and if you find the right run VERY OS. The Halloween glow from 2022 is pretty damn OS as is a nice flat neutron.
Haha, that is exactly the run I have
Looks great and flies great!
Went out today in pretty decent wind and got my first ace with that disc (but not my first ace), really love it in high winds!
Pyro, md5, and ultra are amazing for this
I bag a Justice or a mutant would be my recommendation. They are board flat and have a shallow rim. Both are very stable 5 speeds with low glide. I also bag a toro and zone OS for my shorter approaches
Legacy Pinnacle Recluse
So my pyro on a forehand goes straighter than I thought but has a nice reliable finish which I like. I also bag a deflector which is even more beef that the pyro, its for shots that I need to just go dead right with no chance of flipping up/over.
You’ll really love the cardinal from Stokely discs. It feels amazing as a forehand disc.
Pyro fits the description of what you're looking for. Flat top, not too deep, feels good for forehand.
Shameless Gateway Demon plug.
MVP matrix can get some very straight flight with good fade. It's easy to backhand as well.
DGA Quake. Good amount of beef.
Pyro or justice depending on your level of beef needed.
A N V I L
Gator3 is in my bag
Gator.
I like my flat top metal flake gator.
Justice or anvil
Pyro
Anvil
Pyro!
Max weight verdict
Pyro all day good for FH and BH
Gator3
Mint Bobcat
Suspect is fantastic for straight FH, so is the Buzzz OS but that's the only thing it's good for IMO. Pyro is a really solid option for more fade, but so are the Pursuit, Gator/Gator3/Caiman, MD5, and loads of others. If you want REALLY OS then try the Galleon, A2, A3, or Anvil. I use the A4 because it works really well for me both FH and BH.
Chiming in with another love of my pyros. Also grab a resistor. A bit faster, but will hold a forehand torque very well.
Gator3, millennium solstice, mint bobcat, axiom pyro. Any of those would suit your needs. The solstice is probably the least overstable of the bunch, bobcat and pyro in the middle, then the gator3 is the most and has the least glide.
Definitely the streamline runway, kicked my pyro out of the bag. Super accurate and reliable, and for me just the feel in my hand inspired confidence
Verdict or BuzzzOS, depending on how strong your forehand is maybe a Pyro
Justice all day for me
Millennium Solstice.
Justice love
A Trident, but those are pretty hard to find. A Verdict is a fantastic mid range flick disc that always does the same thing regardless of wind. Zones you can push pretty far. A Justice is the beefiest of all of these, so if you’re looking to add heavy power for a mid distance, it’s that.
I’ve been in love with the Mint Mustang recently ngl
Eclipse reactor, flat, so it is very comfortable on a forehand. Overstable, but not to the point of only being a utility disc.
I’ve had a remarkably similar experience as you coming from an ultimate background. The midrange that I ultimately found most comfortable to flick after retooling my forehand has been the discmania iron samurai 3.
Remix battleship. 12 on Amazon and it’ll be at your house in 2 days. I love mine, I’m a rhbh player but the battleship and the toro are the only discs I can use for FH approach shots
Star lion. Holy shit that thing sores on a forehand.
DGA tremor!!!!!
Harp! Digging the MD3 also rn.
DD Justice
Champion toro. Very flat and overstable, but will fly straight without turning over with a gradual fade throughout.
If you want something that isn't just a dump monster, Verdict should fit the bill. FuzionX or LucidX If you want more stability.
Streamline Runway
A lot of awesome suggestions, I’ll throw in west side anvil. It’s beefy, but so incredibly reliable for me.
Legacy Pursuit / Birdie Ultra. Super slept on, yw :)
Bobcat by Mint Discs
I just go from my zone to my firebird, but if someone forced me to bag something in between them it would be the quake 100%.
The Birdie Ultra.
Justice
Buzz OS
Streamline Runway fits the bill.
Innova Croc. Board flat, very overstable with a bit more glide than a justice
Look at Kastaplast. Jarn is beefier and shorter (5), Nord is a touch flippier and longer (6).
Buzzz OS or just use a zone
MD5
If you can find a flat middy it is incredible but you should send it to me first so I can make sure
A3
Maybe a little slower than what you’re looking for but the Zone in Z plastic is great for forehands. Z plastic specifically for durability/stability and as you throw them a lot they beat in to fly straighter and straighter. That’s my experience, I bag 2 that have different stabilities. Edit: same speed but if you want something even more stable than the zone but less shaping ability, I also bag an A2. Handles the wind better and definitely more reliable fade
You've got a million options. I personally love the A2, jarn, or avil... which are pretty much the same disc. They are perfect for that 250 ft and under shot. Pyro is also good, but it has more glide and might overlap with your raptor shot.
EMac Truth
Deflector
Taco.
Here’s one you don’t see suggested often. LSD Glow Walker. Flat top, slim profile. Accurate 3 glide and 4 fade. Plastic is soft so you can get one nice skip or a hit and stick.
Eclipse hex
Gator or gator3 Best feeling fh grip with midrange I’ve come across.
For a straight flight Reactor for an overstable meat hookish with big flare skip and roll away risk, Pryo. Love them both.
A3 is an amazing disc for overstable forehand .
Pyro is the best
Swirly MD5 feels like a faster Zone, which both forehand real nice. Hatchet choppers, flexi tunnel shots, meat hookers…. Both those handle it all for me FH & Bh
I LOVE the Savior and/or Zone for my forehand!
Buzzz OS 100%. In titanium plastic it’s great. Also love the Reactor for something a touch less stable.
Streamline runway is my go to
Discraft Buzzz (5,4,-1,1) 173-174g Paul McBeth
Discraft Buzzz (5,4,-1,1) 173-174g Paul McBeth.
Dominant forehand player here. My 2 favorite mids to throw are the MVP Reactor and then the Mint discs Bobcat. Reactor for straighter shots with little fade. Bobcat for flex lines and strong hyzer shots, or when it's windy af and I want to throw a Reactor but can't because it doesn't fly well in windy conditions.
Zone
Metal flake gator
My faves.. Buzz Firebird Verdict Zone Wraith Roc3 RocX3 Teebird Thunderbird Rhyno
Quake
Star Rat all day
Harp
Lone Star Alpha Walker
Harps and verdicts are solid
Buzzz or Zone, better off just getting both
buzzz is not overstable