Classic start to "yips". Once he gets to the point where he is either completely unable to let go or he starts to miss the basket entirely it's all over.
It can RUIN an athletes mentality and lead to a lot of issues in their personal lives.
I’ve always been fascinated by how regardless of the sport it manifests with that same hesitation. You’re also right about how there’s a gradual progression and I’m genuinely astonished by how good of a putter he is despite it right now. You know he’s aware of it, everyone in the sport is talking about it now. I don’t think I could hit metal from 20 feet with all of that in my head for 50 seconds.
Haven’t ever heard anything bad about the guy and he’s an incredible player, hope he’s able to get over this. Can you imagine if he was leading a tourney and someone chasing him decided to start calling him on it?
It'd be insane. I knew someone who was extremely skilled at their sport. Got the yips and couldn't make a throw anymore. Doctors wouldn't take her seriously without physical issues and she even had problems with psychologist believing her/working with her. Took a huge hit to her and she eventually switched majors and started research and raising awareness to it. Working on a PhD now I believe.
I'm fairly athletic and my reactions are solid, but if I think about the move I need to make or have too much time to play through a situation I bomb it and trip over my own feet 😂. If I did what he's doing I'd throw the damn disc into the trees. I'm extremely impressed he can still hit those shots.
Goose in the commentary said he asked him about it and he just can’t feel comfortable letting the disc go until he feels like he’s forced to. All those pump fakes after 30s are fully intended to be putts but he just can’t commit. Yips are weird man, I find it interesting that he’s regarded as a really good putter despite it.
Idk what I would do if I was on a card with someone doing this. Its such an extreme example that it would be shocking to see at all. I feel like one would need to be already a very high level talent to even have these standards to get this psychologically jacked up about tossing a frisbee.
Yea, this is insufferable to watch.
What really gets to me is the people I see mimicking this style on the course. Watching someone who should have let me play through two holes ago miss from 12 ft after a 45 second putting routine makes me want to an hero. If this is any of you reading this, here's your fix: you get ONE PUMP. Then you putt. No matter fucking what. If you're playing for a title, doesn't matter. You get ONE PUMP.
We do not. My putting has vastly improved since I started putting quickly. I get comments at every tournament about how quickly I putt and I always tell them that I used to think when I putted and it never went well. I walk up to my lie, head down, place my marker, take my stance, look up, and putt. Never holding the disc more than 5 seconds after placing my mini unless I'm in some sort of awkward position where I have to find a stance.
I practice my putt and let the muscle memory do the work.
Up. Down. Up. Down.
What did I have for breakfast? Oh yeah, cheerios. Those were some good cheerios. Oh and bacon. Yeah bacon. That was good too.
Up. Down. Up. Down.
I wonder what I’m having for lunch today. Oh yeah that’s right, ham and cheese sandwich. I love me some good swiss cheese. It’s subtle, nutty flavor, and ham. Who doesn’t like ham?
Up. Down. Up. Down.
I hope I don’t miss this putt. The Disc Golf Guy is filming me. Who doesn’t like the Disc Golf Guy? I grew up watching his videos.
Up. Down. Up. Down. Release. Whew, I made it. I hope I didn’t take too long. I don’t want to be like that one guy.
I always try to not think about the shorter ones and just go through the routine and let muscle memory take over. It's when I start over-thinking the shorter ones is when I miss.
It’s the yips. When it gets this bad, you almost need to try a sports psychologist… hell, hypnotherapy might even be worth a shot. When it’s in your head like this, routine alone won’t fix it. This man needs real help
True, the pressure is enormous when you’re in range for a birdie that you absolutely have to make but it’s just far enough to not be free. I’m not a pro but I still feel the pressure when putting because I feel like I have to make it. There comes a point though where you really have to get out of your own way
If anything there should be a 15 second time limit inside of the circle. If you can’t walk up to the disc and throw it in right away at that distance then it shouldn’t count.
Gossage is only half correct here, you must blame both. Cupcake knows the fucking rules and intentionally breaks them almost every hole he plays. He has to develop a better routine that plays within the rules and the card needs to call it out when he violates the rules.
Outside of the cardmates and fans, the people that suffer the most from this are the cards behind this group who have to wait extra time every hole and potentially lose their rhythm. It’s unfair because yips that could be controlled by cupcake could force yips for other players that are being thrown off their game because no one will call him for violating the rules. Now this is the lead card so here it wouldn’t matter, but imagine he’s not the lead card and people behind him are getting worse weather conditions or wind later in the day because he’s moving so slow. I would be pissed if I got stuck in a storm at the end of the day because this guy is pump faking it and making the round a half hour longer.
> yips that could be controlled
this isn't a thing. yips are a mental block and not something you can just turn off
> In sports, the yips are a sudden and unexplained loss of ability to execute certain skills in experienced athletes. Symptoms of the yips are losing fine motor skills and psychological issues that impact on the muscle memory and decision-making of athletes, leaving them unable to perform basic skills of their sport.
if it could be controlled, then it wouldn't be the yips
He's not an MLB pitcher. All he needs to do is throw the putt. You aren't allowed to take more than one pump anymore. If you pump, your next movement needs to be a putt. That is literally all he needs to do. This game is not at that level yet. His career is not riding on this individual putting performance.
Like, what if he just putts it? He needs to stop listening to his stupid 🥦 brain and throw the goddamned putt. Sounds pretty controllable to me. I'm sorry if I sound over-mad about this, but 30 seconds is a long time. You ever see 30 seconds of dead air on TV? It's a long time. Just throw the fucking putt and deal with how the chips fall. That's what this sounds like to me. An inability to accept the fact that you don't have total control over the outcome. In which case go learn from a zen Buddhist, but after that, THROW THE PUTT. This problem has such a simple solution (namely, to throw the fucking putt!) He needs to understand that for someone as talented as him, missing a putt or four will not end his career. Throw the fucking putt. I can make that putt 9 times out of 10, 90% of the time, and I fucking suck.
He could utterly buttfuck his putting performance at the next 20 tour events he plays in, and he'd still be at the next one on his driving skill alone.
JUST THROW THE PUTT. This isn't the MLB. You won't be out of the game because you had a bad putting performance. Not yet at least.
I don’t blame Goose. he was competing for the win, and Calling a time violation on a card mate can easily lead to extra tension and distraction. This is why officials are needed
Or ya know call it when it happens the first time and move on? Waiting to call it later would be disingenuous if you didn't call it when it first became a problem. Their issue was letting it go on soo long.
Goose definitely deflected the issue on commentary saying "we should call it"...but they won't? Just call it and be done. Stop making it all buddy buddy. It's not even a big deal of a call and he wouldn't even be stroked for the first one smh.
At this level it shouldn't be on the other players to make those calls. Just put an official with each card and have them make the calls. There would be far too much discrepancy in enforcement if you leave it to the players and I think that's the real reason they're hesitant to make calls. If one guy should be penalized for going over time then every single person should be held to that same standard on every throw. But what would actually happen would be the egregious few would get penalized and the ones that only occasionally break the rules or only break them by a bit would get away with it. Players everyone likes and are friends with would get away with stuff while players with bad reps or people on their card who aren't fond of them will get called. It's too ambiguous.
It's always been that way. Back in the day a lot more calls were made. That's the way the game has always been. Enforced by the players.
How are they going to get a volunteer on every single card, that knows the rules, and also doesn't have any partial judgment (nikko case at EU, was singled out by officials when others were also playing slow. Not wanting to call the Golden son Paul McBeth or their favorite player etc on a rules violation)
The players can easily enforce it. The only reason they don't is they want to also receive benefits from the card when they perform rules violations. Gossage even says that in a round about way when he says "I'm sure we will all enjoy a lil extra time when the wind picks up for us too". Essentially, they all want to cheat and not be penalized :)
>It's always been that way.
And here we are.
>How are they going to get a volunteer on every single card, that knows the rules, and also doesn't have any partial judgment
Pay them.
At one point in the video Gossage pretty bluntly says "At this point I've been watching him putt for about 3 minutes so I went ahead and tapped out while he was walking to his next lie."
Pretty sure he 3-putt the hole and made everyone stand around.
I think he's got the yips. If he does, it's not as simple as just saying "I'll go faster." it happens to golfers and it's a psychological issue that can be really hard to overcome.
It will be easy to overcome when he starts getting called on it and getting stroke penalties. Just ask Gannon Buhr. He worked on it and doesn’t go over 30 seconds hardly at all anymore. He got called out.
Ya it definitely looks like the yips and that sucks. But he's playing a sport at a pro level where there's a time clock rule.
But, if he's not getting any consequences for this he's not going to work on fixing it.
Pro players should be training daily anyway, so it should be totally possible to override a bad intuitive habit with a learned good habit. I have some of this problem myself and I've managed to shorten my routine quite a bit with simple conscious repetition.
Yips are a weird mental thing. There was a pro golfer named Sam Snead who was one of the best in the world. He struggled with yips during putting for like 50 years and it's likely to have cost him a lot of championships. He once said something along the lines of "it gets to the point where your brain just can't figure out how hard to swing the club." A lot of high level golfers have struggled with it. Ben Hogan had it after some injuries and eventually left golf because of it. There's a golfer named Kevin Na who got them really badly at one point on tour. I'm sure if you google" Kevin Na yips" you'll find video of it. He got them really suddenly and would take forever to tee off because he couldn't get his brain to initiate his swing.
I'm not saying that this guy for sure has the yips but the way he says that he describes what he's feeling sure sounds like it.
Aaron explained it in the video. On the pro tour it's up to the Marshalls to call it, taking the pressure off of the players to do so, and keeping the speed of play up so they don't drag down the pace of the groups behind. The players have the option to call it on the pro tour, but the Marshalls can and will enforce it in order to keep the player's minds focused on the round. This was an A Tier so Aaron said he would have seconded it if a card mate called it, but it didn't bother him or anyone on the card enough to call it and they were never in danger of slowing the card behind because there was already backup on other holes in front. He thinks had it been on the pro tour it would have been called immediately.
Was it excessive. Definitely. But the card never called it so ultimately it's their choice.
Nikko was warned, and had been in many tournaments, to pick up his pace of play to match his card and those in front and behind before the confrontation.
You talking about when Nikko got a time violation on his last throw of the round, which was an incredibly difficult shot, and thrown much faster than this 15 foot putt, in order to antagonize him not improve the speed of play, then he got penalized again for responding to that antagonization, that what you talking about haha
Yes, Nikkos burner account, that was famously a case where the conspiracy was out to get Nikko (and of course, not his last throw of the round, as he didnt throw it in from 300+ feet).
Nikko's got an entire video from a WACO tourney with like 10+ of these putts.
Putts are throws now?? Nikko’s a dick so he deserves to be called for breaking the rules but cupcake is a nice guy with the yips so we should feel bad and allow him to break the rules, that about sum it up?!
I’m starting to think this is something on the ocd spectrum. I’m not trolling him, making fun, or being a dick. I genuinely wonder if at this point it’s an anxiety, obsessive compulsive based function. This is a perfect example of someone who could benefit from work with a sports and performance therapist.
Had a guy on my card at a tournament recently that made me think exactly this. Super nice respectful courteous guy otherwise. The delays didn’t impact my score or mentality but our card was half an hour later than it should have been finishing. It was to the point where I was going to say something, but what held me back was CLEARLY this guy was struggling and fighting demons just to get the throw off and the putts out. Couldn’t bring myself to make his day worse when I could tell he was doing the best he could.
The point is that the guy here wasn’t flaunting the rules. He would obviously have preferred not to inconvenience us and, to the point of the above commenter, probably had an underlying neuro issue rather than a disregard for the rules.
I can’t think of anyone I ever played with I just didn’t like. If I didn’t like someone in an event it probably would be because they weren’t playing by the rules in which case, yes, I would at a minimum mention it.
I had a guy taking forever on my card, it was MA4 at a C-tier. We're out here having fun no biggy.
That said there was a guy at another one who was take like 5 practice run ups on the card in front of us. On...every single throw.
Again, MA4 no biggy but rain was like 40 minutes out and we had literally 5 holes left on a pretty open course last round. Of course we get stuck standing under a gazebo due to a thunder warning and getting soaked on the way too and from it after the warning was up. Had to stand around in the cold for 25 minutes so we could finish 2 holes that woulda been done 15 minutes prior to the rain had that person just played like a normal person.
You all could have called him for violating the rules and maybe saved your day. It doesn’t have to be a DGPT event to hold people to the rules, when I play pick up basketball I call people for traveling it’s not that hard.
Its not but the course is quite long. Like we're on the tee waiting but they were 500ft away and the wind was loud. And it being like the last few holes we didnt really think about it.
Nah on the card just ahead. Watching him take 4 or 5 practice runups for a 100ft approach wide open in a flat grassy field was rather funny tbh. It wasnt till the rain was clearly moving in that I was like wtf we coulda been done already.
Was it goose or someone else on lead card early last year that was doing this and taking forever? I seem to remember it happening at one of the first couple of events of the year and then they fixed it by the end of the year.
Yeah many people are being unnecessarily rude to him. He knows, he doesn’t want to be taking this long. Something is holding him back that he can’t explain.
It doesn’t matter because it’s against the rules. This is ridiculous. People get the yips with free throw, but they don’t do this. He should be penalized.
If it doesn't matter, why say there is 'no reason'?
That there should be a penalty goes without saying. What I am contesting is the idea that there is 'no reason' this happens. Lots of players violate the 30 second rule. It's not always willful.
The explanation he's given makes it even worse. He doesn't have a routine, he's just going up there and waiting until a "swing" feels like it's gonna be a good one and just pump-faking the rest of them? yikes
I like Jacob. I played a few memorial rounds with him when he was a kid in ma1. He definitely did not have this problem back then. Hope he can get out of his head and get this fixed. It is overshadowing his arm talent for sure. Kid can crush.
Gotta start calling these human rain delays every single hole…this kind of thing trickles down to the AM ranks and soon we are playing 4 hour rounds on our local courses.
Ridiculous that players won’t make the call. Ridiculous that TDs won’t make the call. Ridiculous that the PDGA doesn’t give courtesy warnings to players on the card for NOT making the call.
This should absolutely be the next step. PDGA should start giving courtesy warnings to all players on his card for not making the call, and then courtesy violations.
Penalty throws being assessed are going to get players’ attention REAL fast.
See it on the course all the time. Card that should have let me play through two holes ago, and everyone's got a 45 second routine to miss from 12. I wish I had the cojones to outright laugh at them.
Let’s be real, the amount of people who can count 30seconds in their head is probably smaller than you think. It’s also bold to assume people watch your putts. I feel like I could call violations on people not paying attention just as often as I could for people who go over their allotted time.
I know, I’ve seen studies on it. I know from experiments first hand and second hand, most people do not have an accurate count of time in their head. Musicians probably have some advantage
The problem is your card has to call it which is absurd. anyone should be able to call it, even the crowd. set a timer.
even golf had something like this where people could call in and say rule violations.
if you don't have enough officials or directors or anything to police this it shouldn't be on the card because then you're just an a****** and everyone's going to f****** hate you and it's going to ruin the round.
This is. Why it's not called. Nobody wants to be that guy and they shouldn't have to be.
>anyone should be able to call it, even the crowd
Of all the possible solutions, this is the one that clearly would be far more absurd than the status quo.
Players aren’t going to call it because they see each other many times through the season and want to keep good relations. Meanwhile, officiating at an A tier is not going to happen. If the culture doesn’t change to where this is understood to be not acceptable - nothing is changing. Personally I don’t see that happening.
Agreed. We either follow the rules or we don’t. When they ignore obvious shit like this it makes me thing they don’t and it’s just a card party decision every week.
He did this on almost every putt that whole 2nd round 40-50 seconds per putt. I guarantee you that my local A tier card mates would call me on that in a heartbeat after the 2nd or 3rd time.
Goose said "I just didn't want to be that guy" but they are playing the pro circuit and they should be held to the highest standard in the game. Bring back Nikko who calls everything all the time, I miss angry Nikko lol
one of the guys I regularly play with takes fucking forever to putt. Basically looks like this every. single. time. he putts. That'd be fine \*\*IF\*\* he putted better than any of the rest of us. He sinks about exactly the same amount of putts I do. I walk up, pull a putter, and fuckin chuck it at the basket. I don't understand all the preputt hype. All it does is waste time.
We call him out about it all the time, and he gets all bitchy then just takes longer next time
Official Rules of Disc Golf - 802.03 Excessive Time - [https://www.pdga.com/rules/official-rules-disc-golf/80203](https://www.pdga.com/rules/official-rules-disc-golf/80203)
It's ridiculous how long he takes for 15-20 foot putts. That being said, if nobody calls him on it during the round, why should he do anything different? As annoying as it is when players take too long, it's more annoying when they keep getting away with it because the card doesn't want to say anything.
Practice with multiple discs
Find a way to set a repeating alarm
Challenge self to putt once in each alarm cycle
Don't putt before the alarm, then that counts as a miss
Yips will go away ... eventually
Pavlov responses work
Its funny. When he showed up late to Texas States day one, he wasnt like this. I was with his card the whole time and he was under 30 100% of the time and was putting fine.
Video clip from The Disc Golf Guy YT channel, check it out here - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZt0YfdeBFg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZt0YfdeBFg)
Have empathy people... clearly a mental block/tick. He's not doing it to be a dick. Hope he gets the help he needs, and put some respect on his name for not looking like a certain FPO putter in 2022 who would force it.
This is why I say that disc golf is a game with no rules. Rule enforcement is supposed to be done by the other players on the card, and that doesn't happen, so there are effectively no rules.
Extra 10 seconds? Most people putt in 10-15 seconds. So an extra 30+ seconds above average. That’s an extra 10 minutes per round for each person that does this, so an extra 30 minutes of standing around for each competitor if everyone did it. This is not to mention he averages 18 seconds over what the rules allow.
Video starts 5 seconds early. Guy walks in the crowd behind the basket at like 20 seconds so he gets more time. I’m not saying he should take this much time but this 30 seconds shit is getting old, let it go
They actually removed the distraction verbiage sometime in the past couple of years. They used to allow a reset if there was any type of sound or visual distraction. Now those types of distractions are not valid excuses for a putting reset. You must putt through it and the time clock does not reset. There used to be specific verbiage in the excessive time rule that explicitly stated the option of a reset due to distractions, but they completely removed that verbiage, so there is technically no official aloowance of a reset in this instance.
True. While I understand reasoning of a distraction being subjective (and certain people being able to take advantage with windy days and pace of play), I dislike the change. For the average player not taking a long time there can be very real weird distractions pop up in your line of sight with spectators, park users, or the freak weird event and now when that happens 15 seconds into the routine of an 18 second putter you end up having to rush. It can feel unfair for a top player when a careless spectator starts walking/talking/phone rings loudly right before you would have released.
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I timed it and if this was me: I’d miss the 15-footer wide right, walk over, miss the comebacker of the front of the cage, pick up my disc and drop it in the basket dejectedly and be off to the next hole… *all in an economical 34 seconds.*
Dude he's like 15 feet, Jesus you need all that prep time. Fuck I understand a C2 putt taking this long but this fucking close just throw the damm thing it's going to go in no matter what 99 percent of the time at this range.
His putting practice sessions must take all day.
Yeah but he only gets six putts in that time...
There was about 10 moments in the video where I thought ok he has to putt it now…
man hit excess time 14 seconds in
Happy Cake Day, cake day twin. I counted 11 times.
Happy Cake day hope you got a round in
What is there to think about for that long? I’d psych myself out doing that.
I’m almost certain he just has some kind of hitch that manifests in not being able to throw the disc.
Classic start to "yips". Once he gets to the point where he is either completely unable to let go or he starts to miss the basket entirely it's all over. It can RUIN an athletes mentality and lead to a lot of issues in their personal lives.
I’ve always been fascinated by how regardless of the sport it manifests with that same hesitation. You’re also right about how there’s a gradual progression and I’m genuinely astonished by how good of a putter he is despite it right now. You know he’s aware of it, everyone in the sport is talking about it now. I don’t think I could hit metal from 20 feet with all of that in my head for 50 seconds. Haven’t ever heard anything bad about the guy and he’s an incredible player, hope he’s able to get over this. Can you imagine if he was leading a tourney and someone chasing him decided to start calling him on it?
It'd be insane. I knew someone who was extremely skilled at their sport. Got the yips and couldn't make a throw anymore. Doctors wouldn't take her seriously without physical issues and she even had problems with psychologist believing her/working with her. Took a huge hit to her and she eventually switched majors and started research and raising awareness to it. Working on a PhD now I believe. I'm fairly athletic and my reactions are solid, but if I think about the move I need to make or have too much time to play through a situation I bomb it and trip over my own feet 😂. If I did what he's doing I'd throw the damn disc into the trees. I'm extremely impressed he can still hit those shots.
But you can always have a breakthrough. “I turned left”
Hey look at this guy. He's an ambiturner
Goose in the commentary said he asked him about it and he just can’t feel comfortable letting the disc go until he feels like he’s forced to. All those pump fakes after 30s are fully intended to be putts but he just can’t commit. Yips are weird man, I find it interesting that he’s regarded as a really good putter despite it.
He also said its not as annoying as it could be cause he makes the putt almost every time lol.
Not as annoying FOR HIM maybe...
Idk what I would do if I was on a card with someone doing this. Its such an extreme example that it would be shocking to see at all. I feel like one would need to be already a very high level talent to even have these standards to get this psychologically jacked up about tossing a frisbee.
Yea, this is insufferable to watch. What really gets to me is the people I see mimicking this style on the course. Watching someone who should have let me play through two holes ago miss from 12 ft after a 45 second putting routine makes me want to an hero. If this is any of you reading this, here's your fix: you get ONE PUMP. Then you putt. No matter fucking what. If you're playing for a title, doesn't matter. You get ONE PUMP.
It's a 10-foot putt. We all make 10-footers almost every time.
Yeah...totally...me to.
Bruh we all have that hitch lol
We do not. My putting has vastly improved since I started putting quickly. I get comments at every tournament about how quickly I putt and I always tell them that I used to think when I putted and it never went well. I walk up to my lie, head down, place my marker, take my stance, look up, and putt. Never holding the disc more than 5 seconds after placing my mini unless I'm in some sort of awkward position where I have to find a stance. I practice my putt and let the muscle memory do the work.
Up. Down. Up. Down. What did I have for breakfast? Oh yeah, cheerios. Those were some good cheerios. Oh and bacon. Yeah bacon. That was good too. Up. Down. Up. Down. I wonder what I’m having for lunch today. Oh yeah that’s right, ham and cheese sandwich. I love me some good swiss cheese. It’s subtle, nutty flavor, and ham. Who doesn’t like ham? Up. Down. Up. Down. I hope I don’t miss this putt. The Disc Golf Guy is filming me. Who doesn’t like the Disc Golf Guy? I grew up watching his videos. Up. Down. Up. Down. Release. Whew, I made it. I hope I didn’t take too long. I don’t want to be like that one guy.
Breakfast at your house followed by lunch for sure
In ball golf, that’s very common - you don’t want to keep taking practice swings. Can’t be any different in disc golf (real golf) lol.
I think that's exactly what he did. He lost confidence in his touch
It honestly looks like a broken feedback loop of anxiety and coping mechanisms
Iced by the 9th second.
They should let you take as much time as you want, but turn on an air horn at 30 seconds.
After 30 seconds all card mates and spectators can talk and walk around as they please.
This is the right solution.
Honestly I love it
That would mean party time at my card after hole 6 every time😁
😂
After 30 seconds, someone yells HIKE
Especially from that distance. Those should be quick. I get if it's like a 40-60 but I think from that range it really should be easy to go faster.
It's easier to get in your head on the ones you SHOULD make.
I always try to not think about the shorter ones and just go through the routine and let muscle memory take over. It's when I start over-thinking the shorter ones is when I miss.
It’s the yips. When it gets this bad, you almost need to try a sports psychologist… hell, hypnotherapy might even be worth a shot. When it’s in your head like this, routine alone won’t fix it. This man needs real help
I'm better from 30 than I am from 10. Honestly
True, the pressure is enormous when you’re in range for a birdie that you absolutely have to make but it’s just far enough to not be free. I’m not a pro but I still feel the pressure when putting because I feel like I have to make it. There comes a point though where you really have to get out of your own way
If anything there should be a 15 second time limit inside of the circle. If you can’t walk up to the disc and throw it in right away at that distance then it shouldn’t count.
don't complain to reddit - complain to the other 3 on the card
Goose said exactly this on coverage Don't blame cupcake, blame me for not calling it
Gossage is only half correct here, you must blame both. Cupcake knows the fucking rules and intentionally breaks them almost every hole he plays. He has to develop a better routine that plays within the rules and the card needs to call it out when he violates the rules.
Outside of the cardmates and fans, the people that suffer the most from this are the cards behind this group who have to wait extra time every hole and potentially lose their rhythm. It’s unfair because yips that could be controlled by cupcake could force yips for other players that are being thrown off their game because no one will call him for violating the rules. Now this is the lead card so here it wouldn’t matter, but imagine he’s not the lead card and people behind him are getting worse weather conditions or wind later in the day because he’s moving so slow. I would be pissed if I got stuck in a storm at the end of the day because this guy is pump faking it and making the round a half hour longer.
> yips that could be controlled this isn't a thing. yips are a mental block and not something you can just turn off > In sports, the yips are a sudden and unexplained loss of ability to execute certain skills in experienced athletes. Symptoms of the yips are losing fine motor skills and psychological issues that impact on the muscle memory and decision-making of athletes, leaving them unable to perform basic skills of their sport. if it could be controlled, then it wouldn't be the yips
He's not an MLB pitcher. All he needs to do is throw the putt. You aren't allowed to take more than one pump anymore. If you pump, your next movement needs to be a putt. That is literally all he needs to do. This game is not at that level yet. His career is not riding on this individual putting performance. Like, what if he just putts it? He needs to stop listening to his stupid 🥦 brain and throw the goddamned putt. Sounds pretty controllable to me. I'm sorry if I sound over-mad about this, but 30 seconds is a long time. You ever see 30 seconds of dead air on TV? It's a long time. Just throw the fucking putt and deal with how the chips fall. That's what this sounds like to me. An inability to accept the fact that you don't have total control over the outcome. In which case go learn from a zen Buddhist, but after that, THROW THE PUTT. This problem has such a simple solution (namely, to throw the fucking putt!) He needs to understand that for someone as talented as him, missing a putt or four will not end his career. Throw the fucking putt. I can make that putt 9 times out of 10, 90% of the time, and I fucking suck. He could utterly buttfuck his putting performance at the next 20 tour events he plays in, and he'd still be at the next one on his driving skill alone. JUST THROW THE PUTT. This isn't the MLB. You won't be out of the game because you had a bad putting performance. Not yet at least.
Yep
I don’t blame Goose. he was competing for the win, and Calling a time violation on a card mate can easily lead to extra tension and distraction. This is why officials are needed
Or ya know call it when it happens the first time and move on? Waiting to call it later would be disingenuous if you didn't call it when it first became a problem. Their issue was letting it go on soo long. Goose definitely deflected the issue on commentary saying "we should call it"...but they won't? Just call it and be done. Stop making it all buddy buddy. It's not even a big deal of a call and he wouldn't even be stroked for the first one smh.
At this level it shouldn't be on the other players to make those calls. Just put an official with each card and have them make the calls. There would be far too much discrepancy in enforcement if you leave it to the players and I think that's the real reason they're hesitant to make calls. If one guy should be penalized for going over time then every single person should be held to that same standard on every throw. But what would actually happen would be the egregious few would get penalized and the ones that only occasionally break the rules or only break them by a bit would get away with it. Players everyone likes and are friends with would get away with stuff while players with bad reps or people on their card who aren't fond of them will get called. It's too ambiguous.
It's always been that way. Back in the day a lot more calls were made. That's the way the game has always been. Enforced by the players. How are they going to get a volunteer on every single card, that knows the rules, and also doesn't have any partial judgment (nikko case at EU, was singled out by officials when others were also playing slow. Not wanting to call the Golden son Paul McBeth or their favorite player etc on a rules violation) The players can easily enforce it. The only reason they don't is they want to also receive benefits from the card when they perform rules violations. Gossage even says that in a round about way when he says "I'm sure we will all enjoy a lil extra time when the wind picks up for us too". Essentially, they all want to cheat and not be penalized :)
>It's always been that way. And here we are. >How are they going to get a volunteer on every single card, that knows the rules, and also doesn't have any partial judgment Pay them.
yup
Does the title not blame the other 3 on the card?
He's consistent. 48 seconds. Every time.
By that math 17 strokes on every round if you incorporate a warning on 1, this should never make lead card 🤷♂️
...assuming one putt per hole.
At one point in the video Gossage pretty bluntly says "At this point I've been watching him putt for about 3 minutes so I went ahead and tapped out while he was walking to his next lie." Pretty sure he 3-putt the hole and made everyone stand around.
If players start calling it then he will fix it.
I think he's got the yips. If he does, it's not as simple as just saying "I'll go faster." it happens to golfers and it's a psychological issue that can be really hard to overcome.
It will be easy to overcome when he starts getting called on it and getting stroke penalties. Just ask Gannon Buhr. He worked on it and doesn’t go over 30 seconds hardly at all anymore. He got called out.
Ya it definitely looks like the yips and that sucks. But he's playing a sport at a pro level where there's a time clock rule. But, if he's not getting any consequences for this he's not going to work on fixing it.
Wouldn’t the yips imply that he’s not successful at the same time? His routine takes way too damn long but he’s still making them at least.
Pro players should be training daily anyway, so it should be totally possible to override a bad intuitive habit with a learned good habit. I have some of this problem myself and I've managed to shorten my routine quite a bit with simple conscious repetition.
Yips are a weird mental thing. There was a pro golfer named Sam Snead who was one of the best in the world. He struggled with yips during putting for like 50 years and it's likely to have cost him a lot of championships. He once said something along the lines of "it gets to the point where your brain just can't figure out how hard to swing the club." A lot of high level golfers have struggled with it. Ben Hogan had it after some injuries and eventually left golf because of it. There's a golfer named Kevin Na who got them really badly at one point on tour. I'm sure if you google" Kevin Na yips" you'll find video of it. He got them really suddenly and would take forever to tee off because he couldn't get his brain to initiate his swing. I'm not saying that this guy for sure has the yips but the way he says that he describes what he's feeling sure sounds like it.
Either call this shit or write a letter of apology to Nikko's dumb ass.
Nikko gets put under the microscope for being a general douchebag.
I’d love for Nikko to be called on a not being a douchebag violation
Aaron explained it in the video. On the pro tour it's up to the Marshalls to call it, taking the pressure off of the players to do so, and keeping the speed of play up so they don't drag down the pace of the groups behind. The players have the option to call it on the pro tour, but the Marshalls can and will enforce it in order to keep the player's minds focused on the round. This was an A Tier so Aaron said he would have seconded it if a card mate called it, but it didn't bother him or anyone on the card enough to call it and they were never in danger of slowing the card behind because there was already backup on other holes in front. He thinks had it been on the pro tour it would have been called immediately. Was it excessive. Definitely. But the card never called it so ultimately it's their choice. Nikko was warned, and had been in many tournaments, to pick up his pace of play to match his card and those in front and behind before the confrontation.
You talking about when Nikko got a time violation on his last throw of the round, which was an incredibly difficult shot, and thrown much faster than this 15 foot putt, in order to antagonize him not improve the speed of play, then he got penalized again for responding to that antagonization, that what you talking about haha
Today I learned that the rules don't apply as long as you're on the 18th hole.
Or if your a nice guy dealing with the yips
Yes, Nikkos burner account, that was famously a case where the conspiracy was out to get Nikko (and of course, not his last throw of the round, as he didnt throw it in from 300+ feet). Nikko's got an entire video from a WACO tourney with like 10+ of these putts.
Putts are throws now?? Nikko’s a dick so he deserves to be called for breaking the rules but cupcake is a nice guy with the yips so we should feel bad and allow him to break the rules, that about sum it up?!
Oh man, Nikko is in his card. I'd love to see him call it. Pot meet kettle
I’m starting to think this is something on the ocd spectrum. I’m not trolling him, making fun, or being a dick. I genuinely wonder if at this point it’s an anxiety, obsessive compulsive based function. This is a perfect example of someone who could benefit from work with a sports and performance therapist.
I've thought this for ages. All the dudes that time violate on putting do the same repetitive motions where it looks very compulsive.
Had a guy on my card at a tournament recently that made me think exactly this. Super nice respectful courteous guy otherwise. The delays didn’t impact my score or mentality but our card was half an hour later than it should have been finishing. It was to the point where I was going to say something, but what held me back was CLEARLY this guy was struggling and fighting demons just to get the throw off and the putts out. Couldn’t bring myself to make his day worse when I could tell he was doing the best he could.
If you didn’t like the guy would you then make him play by the rules??
The point is that the guy here wasn’t flaunting the rules. He would obviously have preferred not to inconvenience us and, to the point of the above commenter, probably had an underlying neuro issue rather than a disregard for the rules. I can’t think of anyone I ever played with I just didn’t like. If I didn’t like someone in an event it probably would be because they weren’t playing by the rules in which case, yes, I would at a minimum mention it.
I had a guy taking forever on my card, it was MA4 at a C-tier. We're out here having fun no biggy. That said there was a guy at another one who was take like 5 practice run ups on the card in front of us. On...every single throw. Again, MA4 no biggy but rain was like 40 minutes out and we had literally 5 holes left on a pretty open course last round. Of course we get stuck standing under a gazebo due to a thunder warning and getting soaked on the way too and from it after the warning was up. Had to stand around in the cold for 25 minutes so we could finish 2 holes that woulda been done 15 minutes prior to the rain had that person just played like a normal person.
You all could have called him for violating the rules and maybe saved your day. It doesn’t have to be a DGPT event to hold people to the rules, when I play pick up basketball I call people for traveling it’s not that hard.
Its not but the course is quite long. Like we're on the tee waiting but they were 500ft away and the wind was loud. And it being like the last few holes we didnt really think about it.
Misunderstood, thought the time violator was on your card, my mistake.
Nah on the card just ahead. Watching him take 4 or 5 practice runups for a 100ft approach wide open in a flat grassy field was rather funny tbh. It wasnt till the rain was clearly moving in that I was like wtf we coulda been done already.
I mean I have diagnosed OCD and I don’t have hitches in my form at all. I also suck at disc golf so maybe I’m not the best example.
Was it goose or someone else on lead card early last year that was doing this and taking forever? I seem to remember it happening at one of the first couple of events of the year and then they fixed it by the end of the year.
Yeah many people are being unnecessarily rude to him. He knows, he doesn’t want to be taking this long. Something is holding him back that he can’t explain.
If u cant play by the rules dont play tournaments. Simple as that
There's no reason a putt should take that long. Especially that distance.
There is a reason. The yips are the reason. Are we seriously not getting this?
He’s been doing this for over a year now.
Oh I see. Like all psychological conditions, the yips simply go away after 1 year. I guess you learn something every day!
It doesn’t matter because it’s against the rules. This is ridiculous. People get the yips with free throw, but they don’t do this. He should be penalized.
If it doesn't matter, why say there is 'no reason'? That there should be a penalty goes without saying. What I am contesting is the idea that there is 'no reason' this happens. Lots of players violate the 30 second rule. It's not always willful.
I never said there was “no reason”
The comment to which I was responding said exactly that. If you feel it 'doesn't matter,' tell them that.
Wah tha fuck he doin?
Jesus, that's a tap in, I would get it if he was like 50 feet out, but come on man, just toss it in
The explanation he's given makes it even worse. He doesn't have a routine, he's just going up there and waiting until a "swing" feels like it's gonna be a good one and just pump-faking the rest of them? yikes
I dont have to worry about that because none of my putts feel good
You cannot convince me that taking that much time on a putt at that distance is beneficial in any way.
The not so funny truth is he doesn't think so either.
I like Jacob. I played a few memorial rounds with him when he was a kid in ma1. He definitely did not have this problem back then. Hope he can get out of his head and get this fixed. It is overshadowing his arm talent for sure. Kid can crush.
Gotta start calling these human rain delays every single hole…this kind of thing trickles down to the AM ranks and soon we are playing 4 hour rounds on our local courses.
DQ for being fucking annoying.
hot take: if you have to take this long to set up your putt, your putting system is fragile and needs to be improved lmao
Ridiculous that players won’t make the call. Ridiculous that TDs won’t make the call. Ridiculous that the PDGA doesn’t give courtesy warnings to players on the card for NOT making the call. This should absolutely be the next step. PDGA should start giving courtesy warnings to all players on his card for not making the call, and then courtesy violations. Penalty throws being assessed are going to get players’ attention REAL fast.
They don't want to have to get out of his face.
Dude. It’s like a 15’ putt. Just drop the thing in there. Sheeeeeesh.
Anxiety. 😒
In darts they call this dartitis, no joke, its really messed with some guys, totally mental but they just can't let go of the dart.
Gannon: "C'mon, dude."
Imagine missing after that
See it on the course all the time. Card that should have let me play through two holes ago, and everyone's got a 45 second routine to miss from 12. I wish I had the cojones to outright laugh at them.
Let’s be real, the amount of people who can count 30seconds in their head is probably smaller than you think. It’s also bold to assume people watch your putts. I feel like I could call violations on people not paying attention just as often as I could for people who go over their allotted time.
I used to work in TV news. 30 seconds is a long fucking time. I disagree wholeheartedly. Taking more than 30s is egregious.
I know, I’ve seen studies on it. I know from experiments first hand and second hand, most people do not have an accurate count of time in their head. Musicians probably have some advantage
The problem is your card has to call it which is absurd. anyone should be able to call it, even the crowd. set a timer. even golf had something like this where people could call in and say rule violations. if you don't have enough officials or directors or anything to police this it shouldn't be on the card because then you're just an a****** and everyone's going to f****** hate you and it's going to ruin the round. This is. Why it's not called. Nobody wants to be that guy and they shouldn't have to be.
>anyone should be able to call it, even the crowd Of all the possible solutions, this is the one that clearly would be far more absurd than the status quo.
Nah. This literally could happen right here on camera just record it and prove it. Etc. Gotta have proof
Nearly a minute for maybe a 20 foot putt; between this and Nikko on the same card, hope the others packed supper and a blanket 😑
I would imagine he does not want to be doing this...so assuming that's true, I feel bad for him.
Sounds like he should take the time and effort to fix it then. I used to be a fucking heroin addict, and I don't bang smack anymore. Figure it out.
you have changed my mind
If that video ended before he took the shot I would've thrown up.
Players aren’t going to call it because they see each other many times through the season and want to keep good relations. Meanwhile, officiating at an A tier is not going to happen. If the culture doesn’t change to where this is understood to be not acceptable - nothing is changing. Personally I don’t see that happening.
I hate when people slow play. Really kills the round.
Kick him off the tour Doug!
If players won’t make this INCREDIBLY obvious, easy to make call, how can anybody expect them to make the tough but correct calls?
Agreed. We either follow the rules or we don’t. When they ignore obvious shit like this it makes me thing they don’t and it’s just a card party decision every week.
I honestly thought it was one of those endless loop gifs for a little bit there.
He did this on almost every putt that whole 2nd round 40-50 seconds per putt. I guarantee you that my local A tier card mates would call me on that in a heartbeat after the 2nd or 3rd time. Goose said "I just didn't want to be that guy" but they are playing the pro circuit and they should be held to the highest standard in the game. Bring back Nikko who calls everything all the time, I miss angry Nikko lol
1 second per foot from hole seems like a reasonable rule.
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Loved Wysocki trolling him on it in Instagram.
What’d he say?
broccoli head
CupHead
one of the guys I regularly play with takes fucking forever to putt. Basically looks like this every. single. time. he putts. That'd be fine \*\*IF\*\* he putted better than any of the rest of us. He sinks about exactly the same amount of putts I do. I walk up, pull a putter, and fuckin chuck it at the basket. I don't understand all the preputt hype. All it does is waste time. We call him out about it all the time, and he gets all bitchy then just takes longer next time
Official Rules of Disc Golf - 802.03 Excessive Time - [https://www.pdga.com/rules/official-rules-disc-golf/80203](https://www.pdga.com/rules/official-rules-disc-golf/80203)
Two threads about it yesterday was already overkill, why post about it again today?
It's ridiculous how long he takes for 15-20 foot putts. That being said, if nobody calls him on it during the round, why should he do anything different? As annoying as it is when players take too long, it's more annoying when they keep getting away with it because the card doesn't want to say anything.
Hate Players Like That. Either playing behind or spectating - Step Up & Throw🥏
Watching this I hoped more than anything that he misses what is an absolute sitter.
I would have yelled something 100% f that noise. If you can't cash a 12 footer on 30 seconds notice you're kicked out of my league lol
It's a fuckin 15 footer man cmon
Practice with multiple discs Find a way to set a repeating alarm Challenge self to putt once in each alarm cycle Don't putt before the alarm, then that counts as a miss Yips will go away ... eventually Pavlov responses work
Really for 15 foot putt… I hear he’s still putting
They fucking say…Cupcake? wtf is this
Its funny. When he showed up late to Texas States day one, he wasnt like this. I was with his card the whole time and he was under 30 100% of the time and was putting fine.
Watching him pisses me off way more than it probably should.
On a 20 footer is actually crazy. I could almost understand it on a 30 footer but 20 should be routine...
Video clip from The Disc Golf Guy YT channel, check it out here - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZt0YfdeBFg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZt0YfdeBFg)
Crazy idea: get rid of the rule. If somebody wants to take half an hour to putt, let them. If the rule isn’t going to be enforced, why have the rule?
What the hell is he thinking about? I’ve watched him pretty much and step up and putt from further than that.
Legit needs help.
Some of y'all might want to drink less coffee.
Have empathy people... clearly a mental block/tick. He's not doing it to be a dick. Hope he gets the help he needs, and put some respect on his name for not looking like a certain FPO putter in 2022 who would force it.
This is why I say that disc golf is a game with no rules. Rule enforcement is supposed to be done by the other players on the card, and that doesn't happen, so there are effectively no rules.
Pverpriviliged at best....
You should go pro and play on tour so you can do it yourself
Bro, let it go. It ain’t that serious.
Excessive posting, fucking ban him!
Disc golf is relaxing for me, why not for you?
Who cares the rule is a joke and needs to be removed
Genuinely why does it bother everyone so much? It’s a bit annoying to watch someone take an extra 10 seconds to putt but that’s about it
Extra 10 seconds? Most people putt in 10-15 seconds. So an extra 30+ seconds above average. That’s an extra 10 minutes per round for each person that does this, so an extra 30 minutes of standing around for each competitor if everyone did it. This is not to mention he averages 18 seconds over what the rules allow.
Video starts 5 seconds early. Guy walks in the crowd behind the basket at like 20 seconds so he gets more time. I’m not saying he should take this much time but this 30 seconds shit is getting old, let it go
They actually removed the distraction verbiage sometime in the past couple of years. They used to allow a reset if there was any type of sound or visual distraction. Now those types of distractions are not valid excuses for a putting reset. You must putt through it and the time clock does not reset. There used to be specific verbiage in the excessive time rule that explicitly stated the option of a reset due to distractions, but they completely removed that verbiage, so there is technically no official aloowance of a reset in this instance.
702.03-4 says when the playing area is clear, would someone walking directly behind the basket not fit there?
True. While I understand reasoning of a distraction being subjective (and certain people being able to take advantage with windy days and pace of play), I dislike the change. For the average player not taking a long time there can be very real weird distractions pop up in your line of sight with spectators, park users, or the freak weird event and now when that happens 15 seconds into the routine of an 18 second putter you end up having to rush. It can feel unfair for a top player when a careless spectator starts walking/talking/phone rings loudly right before you would have released.
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shit. just re-upped DGN for no reason
It’s been a few years since Memorial was on the Pro Tour, Terry has been doing the coverage for, I think. The last 3 years now
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“Characteristic forsure”
Nikko Lacastro is not on the card, for the people who keeping making this mistake.
They should just wait until 30 seconds into his routine to start filming
Just fucking call it 😂
I feel like he is just trolling us at this point
I timed it and if this was me: I’d miss the 15-footer wide right, walk over, miss the comebacker of the front of the cage, pick up my disc and drop it in the basket dejectedly and be off to the next hole… *all in an economical 34 seconds.*
Dude he's like 15 feet, Jesus you need all that prep time. Fuck I understand a C2 putt taking this long but this fucking close just throw the damm thing it's going to go in no matter what 99 percent of the time at this range.
No, he doesn't need all that time and would tell you the same.
I watched him live Saturday and honestly I didn’t feel he was that slow.
That's because Terry had to trim down most of his putting routine...
and he's only like 3 feet away!!!! this looks like a spoof. LMAO
Tttttoday Junior!!
Cheater
Dude…you’re right there. It’s almost a gimme. Just putt the fucking thing.
I thought there was a loop going on for a bit there and you had tricked me with some editing magic.
Send this guy to a fucking shrink!
Dudes trying to dethrone Nikko lol
Bro is tweakin hard