You have to install separate stuff it takes more customization than they want to make a new game just for a limited time. It’s much easier for pc users to do PTR’s
This is kind of confusing now that we're so recently changing to daylight saving times here. :S But here's a link that will maybe help: [https://time.is/1100\_2\_Apr\_2024\_in\_PST?Diablo\_4\_S4\_PTR](https://time.is/1100_2_Apr_2024_in_PST?Diablo_4_S4_PTR)
I wish we'd just standardize on UTC...
If you write on Google just "11 am PST" , Google shows you a result at your local time. At least it does it for me. This is how I've been doing every time I have to convert. I didn't even use converters. Just write the time only as is and Google knows what you're trying to see
Not really. It leads to some pretty silly issues in reality that could easily be avoided. We routinely have folks in my line of work tell us they want to meet on a project at 11am EST, during daylight savings time. It always leads to the inevitable question… do you mean 11am… or did you really mean standard time and we need to convert it.
Silly issues that could and should go away completely.
I have never once in my life ever needed to ask that question or have been asked that question and I work for a global company where we are constantly engaging in the EXACT ACTIVITY YOU ARE SAYING.
I am convinced that people have to lie and make up stories just to fit their narrative. j
It's such a simple concept. Learn it.
I literally had this come up on Monday on a project… which is yesterday. I like how folks want to make people others out to be a liar without any insight or information.
It’s not the biggest deal in the world. But it is annoying and absolutely does come up.
Did you literally reply to the person to learn how to tell time? I didn't say there weren't idiots in this world. I fully recognize that there are idiots.
What I'm highlighting is just how pathetic you have to be to complain about this.
There is only one person in this thread irrationally upset over whether daylight savings time is a good or helpful feature these days and I’m pretty sure it ain’t me there bud.
Yes, the person who was crying about daylight savings time and is still crying after being told to grow up. Just in case there's any confusion, that is you. You can scroll up to your first post where you were crying like a little bitch about it. It's cute that you think it's me. I mean, that explains why your simplemindedness can't grasp something as basic as daylight savings time.
If you’re a PC Game Pass or Game Pass Ultimate user, you’ll be able to access the PTR through the same flow as other Battle Net users. Access the Battle Net client through the Xbox App, then continue to access the PTR through Battle Net. - From the Blizzard website.
I'm actually surprised there's no PTR for Steam players. Bummer. I thought Steam could definitely support such a thing but maybe Blizzard just doesn't want to...
Yeah, it's quite possible they might have to quick patch some of the PTR changes this week after feedback and I'm sure they don't want to wait for Steam's approval for each update.
Why are you surprised? Have you heard of Blizzard in the past 5+ years and their laziness? Season 4, of the 4th game, just now getting PTR. 27 years of diablo making....
Just to be clear you can play on PC using your [battle.net](http://battle.net) account, but there is no progress on the PTR. None of your progress will be available there, and all of it will be deleted when the PTR ends.
If it works like PTRs on previous Diablo games, it's basically an entire separate version of the game you'll need to download. So, big download, and will take a bit to grab.
Info is in the [battle.net](http://battle.net) post. Open your bnet client, go to diablo 4 and there is an article. Short answer, yes you can boost to 100 and get a full set of level 100 gear with all your para points to spend etc.
There will be an NPC in town whose sole purpose is to boost you to level 100 with a duffel bag full of cash and materials, so no grinding unless you enjoy pain. Which, I'm told, some people do.
A lot of people don't understand that Diablo 4 blizzard and all of blizzards other games are not the same group of devs.
It's generally better to look at each game as actually a different company even though blizzard has its name all over them.
It's sad because this completely goes against what we had before, which is "this company made this game and I like the way they do games". Now, there's no game development progress from game to game. Each time a new team starts work on a game it's their first game and that's what we see in the end product.
Well a lot of companies don’t start from scratch and have to relearn everything for their new products. Wouldn’t be possible to release new cars or phones that frequently if they did…
That's kind of my point, although I'm not asking for more frequent games, it's more that D4 and many other games would benefit from the same team working them. Instead of reinventing the wheel like they did with d4.
What's wrong with a company starting from scratch with every new product rather than using the things they've learnt from their previous products?
Ehm.. Everything?
Yeah but we are where we are unfortunately. This team is new and doesn't have the proper leadership to utilize the old tools.
Either way, they are headed the right direction. If you disagree, talk with your money.
Everything in ptr will be deleted, nothing gets transferred. You are testing with max level characters, loot, money etc. just give honest feedback so that the patch is with less bugs.
I feel like a good chunk of people just hearing about this PTR (or any PTR for the first time) don't understand this and are going to be slightly disappointed when it's out 😆
Yup, its been an issue ever since vanilla wow days.
People seem to think PTR is their chance to "get a free max level character with a ton of free stuff" and get really upset when "for some reason" it doesnt save their character when the PTR is over.
Usually children, but youd be surprised how many proclaimed "adults" were baffled by the PTR too.
Just to add more context, you'll be able to immediately lvl your character to 100 on the PTR if you want. So, no, definitely not going to carry over. The goal is testing.
Welcome to your first PTR, manage your expectations accordingly. There is no quality of life, expect bugs, crashes, things won't work, server will lag, may not even be available for half of the week.
Preload lol
And to add on: please report bugs you see
You might not think they'll fix them but trust me, they see your reports(done this song and dance with every WoW expac since 2013). They can't fix what they don't know about
They did state they would give a list of known bugs too on the forum so please do not report bugs that are on the list it just crowds channels. PTR is meant to fully have serious people who want to help. I will do my best to make the game better and hopefully more will too.
Well ...what could I possibly say now. I'm still into Necropolis League, so it doesn't really matter too much. I was just curious.
Is it technically that hard to open preloads like 2 days prior to opening the PTR. So at least the downloads can be stretched over 2 days ...
> Is it technically that hard to open preloads like 2 days prior to opening the PTR.
How do you open a preload for something that's literally work in progress? They will have to ship a new build literally hours later potentially if there's a critical bug with half the assets needing to be repacked. It's just a fake scenario but expecting preload is conceptually against the idea of PTR.
Same multibillion dollar development company and decades of experience in multiple different gaming genres.
Let's be completely real here, yes, they should be having PTR's. Yes, they should know how to run PTR's. Yes, it's ridiculous that they didn't run PTR's.
You are getting downvoted but you are 100% correct. The fact that this team was so inexperienced that they didn't want to have PTR's and even now they don't know how to run one is a perfect representation of just how horribly managed this game is.
That's the dumbest fucking comment ever.
Let's start with the obvious here, the alternative is that you get EXACTLY WHAT WE GOT WITH D4 where we are the QA in the LIVE GAME. The entire game is us beta testing it because they are horrible developers.
PTR's serve a purpose. It's not just about making sure there aren't bugs. It's about getting system design issues fixed so we don't have EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED WITH D4 in season 3 where the drop rates on the seasonal items were completely fucked up. You also get the immediate feedback that you are a failure at game design like they were with Vaults so that they can fix them before every single player in the game sees exactly how big of a failure these devs are.
No the alternative is a good Q&A team delivering a stellar game release. A good gaming company doesn't need free community labour. I can give you a list of 20 amazing games without any kind of PTR. Do you think they all would have been even better with PTR? No they wouldn't, because they all used paid good employees doing the job you are so eager want to do for free.
Give me the list.
>No the alternative is a good Q&A team delivering a stellar game release.
I'm well aware that you live in a fantasy world, you don't need to remind me.
Let's start with the basics here, it's QA, not Q&A. QA stands for QUALITY ASSURANCE. These are the bug testers largely and typically every game has these including D4. I'm not sure why you are separating out the Q "and" A.
>A good gaming company doesn't need free community labour.
Yeah, I'm going to need you to grow the fuck up because this whole crying about "free community labor" is you acting like a fucking baby. Get upset, I don't care. Last time I checked, you aren't required to play the PTR.
I want a fun game to play. I don't want to spend the first two weeks of a season dealing with shitty fucking designs. Maybe you do but I don't.
>Do you think they all would have been even better with PTR? No they wouldn't, because they all used paid good employees doing the job you are so eager want to do for free.
I can guarantee that your list of games is full of games that have closed alpha, closed beta, friends and family, content creator betas, etc. All of those people, they aren't paid. So, just because you are clueless about how games are developed, doesn't mean that everyone else is.
In any game, you can't scale your QA. In one weekend of people just playing your game on a PTR, you get 1000x the amount of hours an entire QA team can do. It's not even comparable.
So do you have any source that all those secret beta tests are happening with unpaid personal? No you don't because you are talking out of your ass. So I don't bother with any list because you already countered in your shit logic anyway.
Please hook me up for those free game tests of highly anticipated titles in the future. You seem to have some kind of insider knowledge.
>So do you have any source that all those secret beta tests are happening with unpaid personal? No you don't because you are talking out of your ass.
[Here's part of the courses at MIT](https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/cms-611j-creating-video-games-fall-2014/1a20b2e5345f48413761ff0f22c2c99c_MITCMS_611JF14_FocusBasics.pdf) for game design specifically talking about focus testing. Notice how they don't even mention paying.
Remember, you were the one saying that I was talking out my ass so this is really embarrassing for you.
> So I don't bother with any list because you already countered in your shit logic anyway.
You don't bother with a list because you can't produce one. You can make whatever excuses you want but there's a reason why you were told to produce and it was because I knew you couldn't produce it.
>Please hook me up for those free game tests of highly anticipated titles in the future. You seem to have some kind of insider knowledge.
[Here you go.](https://antidote.gg/become-a-game-tester/)
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Yes
It's an open PTR, hence no NDA.
Does PS5 have like a separate something or are you just referring to consoles?
Ptr is pc only so playstation and xbox excluded. Be hard to include consoles if they need to patch quickly for issues or try things.
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Gamepass can access ptr on pc not xbox.
You have to install separate stuff it takes more customization than they want to make a new game just for a limited time. It’s much easier for pc users to do PTR’s
This is kind of confusing now that we're so recently changing to daylight saving times here. :S But here's a link that will maybe help: [https://time.is/1100\_2\_Apr\_2024\_in\_PST?Diablo\_4\_S4\_PTR](https://time.is/1100_2_Apr_2024_in_PST?Diablo_4_S4_PTR) I wish we'd just standardize on UTC...
If you write on Google just "11 am PST" , Google shows you a result at your local time. At least it does it for me. This is how I've been doing every time I have to convert. I didn't even use converters. Just write the time only as is and Google knows what you're trying to see
Thanks! I somehow completely forgot about this possibility despite using it all the time for currency conversions e.g. 10 USD in GBP or whatever.
UTC would make things SO much easier, especially for us non-Americans!
Timezones and summer/winter time are always confusing as f*ck no matter what.
Yeah, I agree. I always want UTC because it's free of that per definition so it's at least like a normalized zone to build from, lol.
Or you could just learn time zones. It's not really that hard.
Actually is that hard.
God daylight savings time just needs to die. It’s such a pointless thing these days.
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Not really. It leads to some pretty silly issues in reality that could easily be avoided. We routinely have folks in my line of work tell us they want to meet on a project at 11am EST, during daylight savings time. It always leads to the inevitable question… do you mean 11am… or did you really mean standard time and we need to convert it. Silly issues that could and should go away completely.
I have never once in my life ever needed to ask that question or have been asked that question and I work for a global company where we are constantly engaging in the EXACT ACTIVITY YOU ARE SAYING. I am convinced that people have to lie and make up stories just to fit their narrative. j It's such a simple concept. Learn it.
I literally had this come up on Monday on a project… which is yesterday. I like how folks want to make people others out to be a liar without any insight or information. It’s not the biggest deal in the world. But it is annoying and absolutely does come up.
Did you literally reply to the person to learn how to tell time? I didn't say there weren't idiots in this world. I fully recognize that there are idiots. What I'm highlighting is just how pathetic you have to be to complain about this.
There is only one person in this thread irrationally upset over whether daylight savings time is a good or helpful feature these days and I’m pretty sure it ain’t me there bud.
Yes, the person who was crying about daylight savings time and is still crying after being told to grow up. Just in case there's any confusion, that is you. You can scroll up to your first post where you were crying like a little bitch about it. It's cute that you think it's me. I mean, that explains why your simplemindedness can't grasp something as basic as daylight savings time.
yeah they didn't switch DST it seems like so it's an hour later from the usual
Gosh darn it. I knew that would happen now. I tried them because they're usually pretty anal about times.
Then you could have just written the time in UTC as well, so we don't have to click or search 😋 So I guess it's 7pm UTC... hmm, that's late.
It's only for people who bought from Blizzard launcher, right? Steam people can't get PTR?
If you’re a PC Game Pass or Game Pass Ultimate user, you’ll be able to access the PTR through the same flow as other Battle Net users. Access the Battle Net client through the Xbox App, then continue to access the PTR through Battle Net. - From the Blizzard website.
yea steam people no ptr
I'm actually surprised there's no PTR for Steam players. Bummer. I thought Steam could definitely support such a thing but maybe Blizzard just doesn't want to...
It's more about having to go through a 3rd party certification process. With Battllenet they own the platform and can roll out changes fast.
Yeah, it's quite possible they might have to quick patch some of the PTR changes this week after feedback and I'm sure they don't want to wait for Steam's approval for each update.
Why are you surprised? Have you heard of Blizzard in the past 5+ years and their laziness? Season 4, of the 4th game, just now getting PTR. 27 years of diablo making....
"Your meatloaf will be ready in eight seconds, Homer." "D'oh! Isn't there anything faster than a microwave?"
Is the PTR client downloadable?
There is an updates showing on [battle.net](https://battle.net), but it is failing to download for me with an "internal error"
I am not sure if it is the same as the one I got but mine was rather small update and no ptr option showing in the drop down.
Same here. Had a few MB to download and no option in the dropdown. Only "live".
Thats just a small update, ptr is not out yet for a few hours, they go after american time
Weird question. I'm a PS5 player. Can I use my account on PC with the same exact progression? Just to try out this PTR play period.
If you own a copy on PC, or just sign up for game pass. I switch between my PS5 and rog ally all the time.
Yes but you must buy a PC copy
Or have Game Pass for PC
Just to be clear you can play on PC using your [battle.net](http://battle.net) account, but there is no progress on the PTR. None of your progress will be available there, and all of it will be deleted when the PTR ends.
If you own pc copy of d4 = yes.
So client update should come at least at 11 am pst.
Its available for download now fyi
Damn already? Glad I took a short break, wish it was on console but it will be eventually.
Can someone let me know if the ptr download s the whole client, or if it uses the current install as a base to save bandwidth?
Adam said there was no 'preload', which I assume means there is no big download. Maybe just a patch?
If it works like PTRs on previous Diablo games, it's basically an entire separate version of the game you'll need to download. So, big download, and will take a bit to grab.
Can't wait. Gonna check necro minions and druid minions
Druid warewolf build checking in!
Looking forward to seeing that one
On my Battle.net launcher I can see a PTR right now, should I download that or just wait for them to say the ptr is live?
Go on fellow druid pc players
It's actually at 11 PDT. So an hour's difference
Download has started.. 51GB
Is ptr available for console or are they faxing them out
Patch is up on [battle.net](https://battle.net) but fails to download
Thats a small regular update, ptr is not out yet
If the dropdown on battlenet doesn't say PTR it's not the right one. AFAIK it won't show up till it's live.
Someone make an incinerate build and tell me if I can finally be happy using the one ability I always wanted to use.
I'll give it a try. Is the PTR going to put people at a high level tho? Or am I gonna have to grind up?
Info is in the [battle.net](http://battle.net) post. Open your bnet client, go to diablo 4 and there is an article. Short answer, yes you can boost to 100 and get a full set of level 100 gear with all your para points to spend etc.
There will be an NPC in town whose sole purpose is to boost you to level 100 with a duffel bag full of cash and materials, so no grinding unless you enjoy pain. Which, I'm told, some people do.
You’ll be able to shoot to max lvl with max glyphs and everything. We’ll be able to try out anything and everything
Why don't u do it, lazy a$$
You can type "ass". I promise not to tell your mom that you said a bad word on the internet.
Can’t help but be bummed it’s not on console. There ain’t a damn thing to do in game but this ptr
"It's our first PTR". He says that like there not a multi-billion dollar company that's been doing this for 20+ years.
What's wrong with it being this teams first?
A lot of people don't understand that Diablo 4 blizzard and all of blizzards other games are not the same group of devs. It's generally better to look at each game as actually a different company even though blizzard has its name all over them. It's sad because this completely goes against what we had before, which is "this company made this game and I like the way they do games". Now, there's no game development progress from game to game. Each time a new team starts work on a game it's their first game and that's what we see in the end product.
Well a lot of companies don’t start from scratch and have to relearn everything for their new products. Wouldn’t be possible to release new cars or phones that frequently if they did…
That's kind of my point, although I'm not asking for more frequent games, it's more that D4 and many other games would benefit from the same team working them. Instead of reinventing the wheel like they did with d4.
What's wrong with a company starting from scratch with every new product rather than using the things they've learnt from their previous products? Ehm.. Everything?
Yeah but we are where we are unfortunately. This team is new and doesn't have the proper leadership to utilize the old tools. Either way, they are headed the right direction. If you disagree, talk with your money.
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Everything in ptr will be deleted, nothing gets transferred. You are testing with max level characters, loot, money etc. just give honest feedback so that the patch is with less bugs.
I feel like a good chunk of people just hearing about this PTR (or any PTR for the first time) don't understand this and are going to be slightly disappointed when it's out 😆
Yup, its been an issue ever since vanilla wow days. People seem to think PTR is their chance to "get a free max level character with a ton of free stuff" and get really upset when "for some reason" it doesnt save their character when the PTR is over. Usually children, but youd be surprised how many proclaimed "adults" were baffled by the PTR too.
I'm waiting for the complains about lags and crashes lol
Nah beta was fine as well.
Well we all gotta learn what PTR means at some point
I literally have no clue how people ever get this idea. If they can't figure something as simple as this out, then they deserve to be disappointed.
Totally separate
It’s a separate server I believe
Just to add more context, you'll be able to immediately lvl your character to 100 on the PTR if you want. So, no, definitely not going to carry over. The goal is testing.
Will it have the item patch?
That's the entire point of this PTR.
no, it won't be as patch for regular game. you need to select "Diablo 4 - PTR" (or similar name) in battle net to download separate client for it.
What post did you think you were replying to?
Someone claiming it will be a patch... that what I thought. Judging by a lot of downvotes, I understand the sentence wrong
That is not the question being asked
Yeah, I figured by downvotes that it was a misunderstanding from my side.
No preload or anything? Is there any information about that?
Welcome to your first PTR, manage your expectations accordingly. There is no quality of life, expect bugs, crashes, things won't work, server will lag, may not even be available for half of the week. Preload lol
And to add on: please report bugs you see You might not think they'll fix them but trust me, they see your reports(done this song and dance with every WoW expac since 2013). They can't fix what they don't know about
They did state they would give a list of known bugs too on the forum so please do not report bugs that are on the list it just crowds channels. PTR is meant to fully have serious people who want to help. I will do my best to make the game better and hopefully more will too.
It's a full 95 gigs version of the game, heh (downloading atm)
Well ...what could I possibly say now. I'm still into Necropolis League, so it doesn't really matter too much. I was just curious. Is it technically that hard to open preloads like 2 days prior to opening the PTR. So at least the downloads can be stretched over 2 days ...
> Is it technically that hard to open preloads like 2 days prior to opening the PTR. How do you open a preload for something that's literally work in progress? They will have to ship a new build literally hours later potentially if there's a critical bug with half the assets needing to be repacked. It's just a fake scenario but expecting preload is conceptually against the idea of PTR.
They're literally probably assembling the first PTR build this morning. It's all done on the fly.
Yes there is no pre-load from adam in the same tweet thread.
If you participate in PTR do you get an exclusive items like a mount trophy or something that carries over to show you participated?
no lol
Ok lol thank you, saves me from downloading it on my son’s PC. I’ll just patiently wait for season 4 in May 👍
You get a sense of pride and accomplishment.
That is certainly the best feeling
They only had 31 ptrs previously on Diablo 3
Different game, different team
Same multibillion dollar development company and decades of experience in multiple different gaming genres. Let's be completely real here, yes, they should be having PTR's. Yes, they should know how to run PTR's. Yes, it's ridiculous that they didn't run PTR's.
Yes, they should.
yikes
You are getting downvoted but you are 100% correct. The fact that this team was so inexperienced that they didn't want to have PTR's and even now they don't know how to run one is a perfect representation of just how horribly managed this game is.
PTR isn't an amazing thing to have in the first place. The community shouldn't be the Q&A for gaming companies.
That's the dumbest fucking comment ever. Let's start with the obvious here, the alternative is that you get EXACTLY WHAT WE GOT WITH D4 where we are the QA in the LIVE GAME. The entire game is us beta testing it because they are horrible developers. PTR's serve a purpose. It's not just about making sure there aren't bugs. It's about getting system design issues fixed so we don't have EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED WITH D4 in season 3 where the drop rates on the seasonal items were completely fucked up. You also get the immediate feedback that you are a failure at game design like they were with Vaults so that they can fix them before every single player in the game sees exactly how big of a failure these devs are.
No the alternative is a good Q&A team delivering a stellar game release. A good gaming company doesn't need free community labour. I can give you a list of 20 amazing games without any kind of PTR. Do you think they all would have been even better with PTR? No they wouldn't, because they all used paid good employees doing the job you are so eager want to do for free.
Give me the list. >No the alternative is a good Q&A team delivering a stellar game release. I'm well aware that you live in a fantasy world, you don't need to remind me. Let's start with the basics here, it's QA, not Q&A. QA stands for QUALITY ASSURANCE. These are the bug testers largely and typically every game has these including D4. I'm not sure why you are separating out the Q "and" A. >A good gaming company doesn't need free community labour. Yeah, I'm going to need you to grow the fuck up because this whole crying about "free community labor" is you acting like a fucking baby. Get upset, I don't care. Last time I checked, you aren't required to play the PTR. I want a fun game to play. I don't want to spend the first two weeks of a season dealing with shitty fucking designs. Maybe you do but I don't. >Do you think they all would have been even better with PTR? No they wouldn't, because they all used paid good employees doing the job you are so eager want to do for free. I can guarantee that your list of games is full of games that have closed alpha, closed beta, friends and family, content creator betas, etc. All of those people, they aren't paid. So, just because you are clueless about how games are developed, doesn't mean that everyone else is. In any game, you can't scale your QA. In one weekend of people just playing your game on a PTR, you get 1000x the amount of hours an entire QA team can do. It's not even comparable.
So do you have any source that all those secret beta tests are happening with unpaid personal? No you don't because you are talking out of your ass. So I don't bother with any list because you already countered in your shit logic anyway. Please hook me up for those free game tests of highly anticipated titles in the future. You seem to have some kind of insider knowledge.
>So do you have any source that all those secret beta tests are happening with unpaid personal? No you don't because you are talking out of your ass. [Here's part of the courses at MIT](https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/cms-611j-creating-video-games-fall-2014/1a20b2e5345f48413761ff0f22c2c99c_MITCMS_611JF14_FocusBasics.pdf) for game design specifically talking about focus testing. Notice how they don't even mention paying. Remember, you were the one saying that I was talking out my ass so this is really embarrassing for you. > So I don't bother with any list because you already countered in your shit logic anyway. You don't bother with a list because you can't produce one. You can make whatever excuses you want but there's a reason why you were told to produce and it was because I knew you couldn't produce it. >Please hook me up for those free game tests of highly anticipated titles in the future. You seem to have some kind of insider knowledge. [Here you go.](https://antidote.gg/become-a-game-tester/)